Maybe she is defensive because she was declawed
Posted By: and outside. That had to be a trauma itself. SM on 2008-03-12
In Reply to: I just adopted a declawed cat - sm
And being approached by possibly feral cats, no wonder she is wary of your other cat. I wonder if she just doesnt have litter box issues, regardless of being declawed. Maybe bad litter habits are what got her put out. I just think her being declawed may not have anything to do with her issues. Maybe, but, IMO, pobably not.
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No need to get all defensive.
You never said that in the original post, so how would I know? My post still "flies" since you didn't give all the information relevant to the situation. My post assumes that the parents aren't perverts, since most parents aren't.
Don't get so defensive
I agree with the above poster. Putting the bible out IS pushy. Just hoping for that one person to come up and you can start talking about religion - better yet maybe you'll "save" someone to get another notch on the belt before you visit "the big guy in the sky". How silly all that is. There is nothing worse than having any religion being shoved at you as though it is right and everyone else is wrong. I know because I have an aunt and a sister who believes they are right and everyone else is wrong. Would you want anything satanic lying around? If not keep your propaganda material inside your desk or personal belongings not for the world to see. Like the poster said (not in these exact words) but if a person is of deep faith they will find comfort that the bible is close by whether in a drawer or not. Besides I thought it was a school this person was at. Not church!
I go on the defensive because I don't like ...sm
for my dog to be stereotyped. How can you be a dog rescuer and turn your back on a dog because of its breed? That is stereotyping. The fact that these dogs are automatically put down shows how close minded the facility is. If Michael Vick's pit bulls could be rehabilitated and rehomed then my God what is everyone else's excuse? The fact is people are afraid of them and it is easier to just put them down. Another thing, these so called animal control or whoever obviously are not in the "know" or they would "know" how to handle a dog, any dog. It just takes know how. I know another pit bull owner who rescued a pit on the side of the road who had been abused and it took three hours to gain his trust but it was accomplished. He got in the inside of the truck with them and rode home. They were in the "know." They took the TIME to gain his trust and let him know they were there to help him. They took him to the vet and spent $500 getting him treated for heartworms. Then they spend another $500 getting hip surgery. That is what I call a dog RESCUER. Now they were in the "know."
That was really defensive
She said "rather than be responsible parents".
There are plenty of responsible parents who like to drink and smoke, although I doubt there are very few who inject.
And then you just randomly attack the church? What about "lets talk about parents who just walk out on their kids" or "lets talk about parents who don't ever care where their kids are," etc.
And do you really know that those kids are "too skinny" just because they fast? Or is that your conclusion? Maybe you are just so used to seeing obese kids nowadays that seeing a skinny kid makes them look starved?
School counselor defensive?
I really need some input here. My family recently moved back to our original house because we could not sell it. The school they were zoned for before we moved back seemed okay, the children thought it was fine. We thought we would wait until the year was over before going back to the original school in our neighborhood so they would not flip flop.
My little boy who is 7 recently had problems with a reading group teacher who wanted him to be in a play. It was a big part. He is shy and I did not hear of his fear until they were into practicing. She said either do the play or get a zero. He asked if he could make up the grade. She told him to do a book report at the library (this is second grade). None of the children in the reading group were explained how to do this book report even my daughter who is in the same group told me she had to figure it our herself. My little boy did not know what to do. He was afraid to ask her again as one other time he asked for instructions she was very abrupt and did not answer him. So, I contacted his home room teacher to resolve it, as the reading teacher was not available (for personal reasons). The principal tried to arrange a meeting but again, this teacher was unavailable, and I finally received a phone call (she left a message) from her late Sunday night she was busy and could not get back to me and she would not be in for a week.
Week goes by, my little boy is okay but issue still not resolved. Top it off some kids were teasing him and told an older girl in the glass that he liked her. She sat down at lunch and told him she did not like him right to his face. Ever since, he has not been dealing with things well. He has gotten sick before school from anxiety, etc. I spoke 3 times with his home room teacher, and all she could do is say, "I'm sorry, I don't know what to do, the counselor is busy today."
On top of this, my little 8 year old girl's teacher constantly gives her tardies for being 1 minute late (I go to the office to get a pass but she refuses to call them excused). We drive 40 minutes, it has been foggy and one time I had a flat tire. My husband informed the office of this.
With all of this idiocy we decided to put the kids back in the original school here by the house and as I went into the office to let them know, the counselor of the school had to meet with me, urgently. She lit into me big time, saying I coddle my son and if I kept doing so he would be come effeminate (sp?). She also said that I am teaching my daughter to be critical of her teacher by saying there is something wrong with being 1 minute late. I said there were reasons for being 1 minute late and my husband told the teacher and the office. The counselor said, "set your watch back so that will take care of it and you will be early.",
This counselor continued to say that I was not parenting my son and daughter correctly and that she was livid that I would encourage a crush that my son was only 7 and I was not being responsible. I said I did not even know about this crush and that I thought the girl was rude even saying that to his face after he never even told her it was a rumor!
I left the office feeling horrible as she indicated I was "a bad parent," I am not kidding. My band says she just was upset because we were leaving and there were issues not resolved correcdtly by her staff.
If you got this far reading this I appreciate it. Thanks for listening. But really, is my instinct right that this "counselor" was out of line, saying my son is going to be effeminate and my daughter critical? Made me feel about 2 inches tall, but I did not let her know that. Nor will I tell the children. Feedback on this would be highly appreciated. If I could I'd give you a copay for listening. Thanks in advance.
well the word "hijacked" does tend to put one on the defensive
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My, aren't we defensive about our reading material...
the tabloids are trash most of the time, it doesn't matter how long they have been around. So you read the typical women's magazines, big deal. Not much in the way of intellectual stimulation there either besides how to get grass stains out of junior's clothes, how to make the perfect pot pie and how to please your man in bed (if you have to read an article to figure out how that's pretty bad!). Calm down and go back to your reading!
I declawed one and not another.
I took in a kitten back in 1985. She was a big-time scratcher and ruined all my drapes, tore up two sofas, and a door jam. Nothing I did, no alternative scratching areas kept her from tearing up my furniture and climbing up my draperies. I was on the verge of giving her up. Instead, when she was about a year old, I had her declawed. I could tell that it was a different feeling for her, but she adjusted very quickly. She ended up living to the ripe old age of 20 in our house, doing no damage and very loved.
After she died, we took in another kitten from a rescue organization. This one is not declawed, but she has a totally different personality. She is very submissive, very sweet. She never puts out her claws for anything other than stretching briefly in sunspots on the floor. I keep her claws trimmed, and she is satisfied with that. Had she been an incorrigible scratcher like her predecessor, I would have had this cat declawed, too. I can offer a lifetime safe and loving home to cats, but I don't want my things torn up. So I really don't have any problem with declawing when necessary.
My first cat was declawed (sm)
because I lived at home with my mom and he was tearing up her 2-year-old custom-made curtains.
I had it done, stayed at home with him and babied him for a few days, and once he healed, did not seem to realize he didn't have them. He "scratched" the rest of his life with his nubs.
I wasn't going to declaw the second cat, but the first one was "scratching" everything and I guess she couldn't figure out why he could and she couldn't. I did notice, however, that her recovery time was longer (Cat #1 had it done pretty young).
Many years later, we got a kitten when cat #2 was about 11 years old. Cat #2 didn't do much scratching by then, and we were able to train Cat #3 not to scratch. We now have another clawed cat, adopted at age 5. He's a bit of a nuisance with his scratching, but it's not to the point where I'd have to do something. If it gets worse, I'll try the nail caps.
IMO it's a very individual thing between cat and owner. And I agree, I think it's better to do that than to subject the cat to abandonment, if that's the only negative behavior involved.
Awfully defensive in all your posts. IMO, you're a nature nut. Don't you see that most people
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Wow, talk about being on the defensive! Yes, I have children, but I don't work when they're pl
I'm single, too, pay the bills all by my little bitty self. I'm in the same boat, but I don't put my children in potentially precarious situations by working and not paying attention to them. You are zoned into the headphones while your children are playing around with stuff they're not supposed to. You should justify my post with a response, but one that is more along the lines of..."you know, you're right. I should work my schedule when the children aren't into things and I'm not watching." Incidentally, I work and sleep nights when my children are sleeping. I work 6 days a week and crank out around 2500 lines a night. I have my shortcuts streamlined to the point where most of the dictation that comes in I have a shortcut for, so I can produce a very large volume of lines in a very short period of time. I have somewhere around 60,000 shortcut entries in my PCShorthand. My children go to bed at 8 PM and that's when I start work. I go to bed at 1 AM and get up about 7 AM. I get about 6 hours of sleep a night and for me that's plenty and I function just fine. During the day, I am able to spend quality time with my children, take them to the doctor, do the shopping, pay the bills, school functions, etc., so it's a sacrifice I'm willing to take, plus it was easier finding a night job than a day job. Of course, there's absolutely no time for a boyfriend since I have the full time job of transcribing and the full time job of being a mother, but maybe one day that will be an option.
I declawed a cat and wish I hadn't.
Got new couch. Got new cat. Cat scratched couch. Declawed cat. DH out of work 4 months on disability, made sense to get a puppy, right? Not to the declawed cat, who lost her mind and started urinating in our bed. Also, she could not exercise properly when she couldn't hook those claws to climb, grab toys, etc.
Had to have mine declawed..
I have a Siamese who is very, very...did I mention very stubborn. She started destroying my couch, chairs, etc. I tried all the tricks mentioned below, spray bottle, stomping feet, yelling, double-sided tape, etc., and nothing worked. It just made her more determined to go after my furniture.
So, I eventually broke down and made an appointment for her to be declawed. It did not make her anymore aggressive, mean, etc. She got over the procedure within a couple of days and was fine after that. In fact, she still makes the scratching movements or tries to scratch the furniture years later except she's not ruining anything anymore.
I only got the front paws declawed, and it wasn't too terribly expensive (a lot cheaper than replacing furniture for sure). She is an inside only cat obviously, so we don't have to worry about her needing to defend herself outside or I obviously wouldn't have had this done.
She has had no problems either with behavior or medically since having this done 5-6 years ago. She is a spoiled and quite content cat who still thinks she rules the house front claws or not. So, basically she's happy, and we are happy to not have our house trashed.
And I think cats would rather be declawed than
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I just adopted a declawed cat
who was abandoned. she looks like she has no toes, with floppy little hair tufts and going the wrong directions. Like other poster said, she does not cover her stuff in the litter box (maybe feels she cannot manage it) and her attitude is so defensive to the other cats, even after a month, and i wonder if it isn't because she feels so defenseless. I sure would not do it to a cat.
Getting your cats declawed in my opinion
is inhumane. I would really reconsider it. They have caps that you can buy, relatively inexpensive and last for awhile, that you put on their nails. You glue them on over the nails. You can even do a color scheme in them if you like, pink, etc.
There are too many alternate ways out there to deter cats than declawing
We had our 2 indoor cats declawed, too.
They never go outside either and they both have done fine since.
I have mine declawed, never again. I had leather
furniture that he was ruining (he had 32 claws) so I had him declawed. He went outside to sit on the front porch in the sun occasionally. Two dogs killed him because he couldn't climb a tree. He was the sweetest, beautiful Himalayan mix, talked to me all the time.
All the vets I ever worked with had their cats declawed.
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Never declawed any of the dozen cats I have had over my lifetime - sm
It is rare, in my opinion, that a cat cannot be trained to claw in appropriate places and not on furniture, etc. Are you providing good places for the kitty to claw, such as a nice scratch post (mine really love the sisal rope kind)? They also love those simple cardboard inserts that are in the Turbo Trackers and the Alpine Scratcher. When I get a new kitty I direct them to the appropriate places to claw and lavish praise. These acceptable places need to be some place you pass by often because the kitty wants you to be there when they are good. Mine run to the scratching posts because they know I am going to lavish praise on them. :-) If they claw somewhere they are not supposed to I immediatly squirt them with a water bottle set to stream. Something called a Scat Mat also keeps them away from the inappropriate places should they want to test you further. I have had young kittens, adult cats, you name it, and not a single one of them could not be trained to scratch where appropriate. I also have nice furniture (even leather). I would only declaw after I had exhausted all other options and it was a choice between that and giving up the cat. Just my two cents, for what it is worth. :-) Let us know what you decide. Best of luck!!
Cats declawed front only can still climb trees and
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My brother's declawed cats have a great life
They stay indoors, they are spoiled rotten, they are happy cats. There are 4 of them, all adopted at different times, and you couldn't ask for more sociable content kittehs.
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