Home     Contact Us    
Main Board Job Seeker's Board Job Wanted Board Resume Bank Company Board Word Help Medquist New MTs Classifieds Offshore Concerns VR/Speech Recognition Tech Help Coding/Medical Billing
Gab Board Politics Comedy Stop Health Issues
ADVERTISEMENT




Serving Over 20,000 US Medical Transcriptionists

Brother-in-law has been using outside wood furnace

Posted By: anna on 2005-12-15
In Reply to: RE: Outside woodburning stoves - anyone have one, how do you like it, and how expensive (sm) - Kris

for many, many years and loves it.  It sits out back of their house less than 50 feet (I would guess) from their back door.  They also cool their house with it (need an exchanger of some sort) and heat their pool water.  He is pretty clever and worked out the plumbing for the pool by himself.  They do have to spend part of their summer looking and cutting and hauling their wood supply but they think it is worth it.  Hope this helps.


Complete Discussion Below: marks the location of current message within thread

The messages you are viewing are archived/old.
To view latest messages and participate in discussions, select the boards given in left menu


Other related messages found in our database

No, have 2 wood stoves and 4 cords of wood that some old guy
s
He's about as cool as a blast furnace
You're kidding, right?  This guy's an idiot. 
space heater vs furnace, a few opinions from the experts

Limit use of Electric Space Heaters
Here's a few opinions. There's one way, way, way down at the bottom, too. Hope it helps.


 


Limit use of freestanding or in-wall space heaters to short periods of time. Electric space heat can cost as much as 25 percent more than fossil fuel heat. Because of the high energy required, the use of extension cords with space heaters is not recommended. Also to avoid fire hazard, electric heater power cords should never be placed under a carpet or rug to be hidden from view.


http://www.lbwl.com/TipsElec.asp


Space heaters are a fairly inefficient way to convert electricity to heat. They can also run up the electric bill, and I'm not sure they're a good choice for the apartment-building lifestyle. However, if you owned a big home and controlled your own central heating, a space heater could be a good choice. If you spent your entire day, or most of it, in one room of the house (say, your satellite Grist office), you could turn off the central heat and use a space heater. And, of course, space heaters are a great option for rooms where there is no other heat source whatsoever -- certainly better than frostbite.


Space heaters run on electricity generated by burning something or splitting atoms or capturing hydropower or tapping into the energy of wind or sun (optimal but unlikely). Radiators run on water heated by burning oil or gas. Because your radiator burns fuel on site, odds are it is more efficient than your space heater. (Again, we're guessing here, since we don't know the specifics.) With electric space heaters, about two-thirds of the heating energy from the original fuel is lost during transit to your room.

http://www.grist.org/advice/ask/2004/02/25/umbra-heat/


Ask the Energy Guy

2005

2004 Average

04/05 03/04 Average

363

313 396

398

349

514

Season to date

October

October

2005 2004 Average

2005 2004

Average

41

6

13

1266 1027

1010

Season to date

Q: A couple of issues ago you talked about electric space heaters. Are they less

expensive than gas?

A: Maybe. Unless you have a geothermal heat pump, electricity

is not the most economical way to heat a home. But

depending on the size of the electric space heater and how

you use it, you may be able to increase your comfort and

save a little money this winter.

There are two basic types of electric space heaters;

Convection heaters heat the air and usually have a fan

to blow warm air around. Radiant heaters warm objects.

Some people like to feel warm air move so they use a fan

driven heater. Others will use a radiant heater to avoid

drafts from moving air. The cost to operate the heater will

depend on wattage, temperature of the room, and length of time

it’s on. The higher the wattage, the colder the room, and the

longer it’s on - the more it will cost.

A 1500-watt heater will cost around $.10 an hour to operate.

Your much larger gas furnace may cost $.45 - $.75 an hour to

run. To be comfortable yet not spend more money the trick is to

save gas by turning down your thermostat while using the electric heater. If you just

use a portable heater for short periods, and you turn down the thermostat at the same

time, you should be fairly comfortable and save on your heating bills. Check back

next month for more on electric versus gas heating

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:_D0E1IewSqoJ:www.cityofames.org/CitySide/Documents/January2006.pdf+electric+space+heater+versus+turning+down+thermostat&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3


Q. Would it be more efficient to use an electric heater for one room than to keep the whole house warm with central heating?


 A. I can see why you would think using a space heater would be an energy-saving solution, especially with higher gas and oil prices. But in Vermont, electricity is still the most expensive way to heat. A typical portable electric space heater could actually increase your energy costs by as much as $50 a month.


A better approach is to make your home's "envelope" and central heating system work as efficiently as possible. Make sure your home has sufficient insulation. Prevent air leakage between indoors and out by sealing any holes between the house and outdoors or the attic, especially where chimneys and plumbing enter. Gaps around door and window frames and drafts under doors should also be sealed. Repair cracked glazing on windows and replace weather seals if necessary. You can find low-cost, easy-to-use weatherization kits and supplies at your hardware store. Be sure your furnace filter is clean, seal and insulate heating ducts, and have your furnace or boiler professionally inspected, cleaned and tuned each year. Vacuum or dust heating vents and move furniture away from them so heat can circulate. Finally, close doors to any rooms you don't want heated and turn down the thermostat in those rooms.


Gas vs. Electric Heat
The Dollar Stretcher
by Gary Foreman

I live in the Midwest and am bracing for the high cost of heating my home this winter. My question is about buying/using a space heater. Is there a way to find out if running an electric space heater would be cheaper than the gas I use to heat the home? Is there a formula for this? How would I figure it out. I've taken all the other precautions such as insulation, furnace tune-up, weather-stripping etc. I figure I can keep the heat turned to about 67 - but a space heater might be good for the family room-kitchen, the area we use the most. Thanks, 
Cheryl R.


Cheryl appears to be serious about reducing her heating bills. And, she's right. According to the Federal Trade Commission, nearly half of our utility bills goes to heating/air conditioning. So controlling those expenses is worthwhile.

Cheryl can compare heat generated from gas or electric. To get a fair comparison we'll determine the cost to generate 1 million BTU's of heat with both fuels.

A furnace with a seasonal heating efficiency of 80% will use 12.5 therms to produce the million BTU's. MGE (Madison Gas Electric in Madison WI) was charging consumers $1.50 per therm in October, 2005. We'll use them as our example. At a cost of $1.50 per therm heating with gas would cost $18.75 (12.5 therms X $1.50).

An electric heater would consume 293 kilowatt hours to produce the million BTU's. At a cost of $0.11 per kWh (also from MGE) that's $32.58.

So heating with electric is more expensive than natural gas. And, that's usually the case since a lot of electric is generated by burning natural gas.

But, Cheryl's recognized that gas vs. electric is only half of the equation. Could heating a smaller area (kitchen/family room) with a higher cost fuel (electric) be a good idea?

In our example electric generated heat is 70% more expensive than gas generated heat ($32.58 / $18.75). As long as her kitchen/family room area is less than 30% of the cubic footage of her house she'll save money by using the space heater to heat it and turning down the thermostat on the furnace.

Remember that this is just an example. We've made some assumptions. For instance, furnaces are measured based on their AFUE rating (Annual Fuel Utilization Efficiency). It's also known as "seasonal heating efficiency." We chose a furnace rated at 80% efficiency.  Cheryl's could be more or less efficient. That would affect how many therms of gas are consumed.

The selection of space heaters will make a difference, too. There are a number of types available.

According to the Missouri Department of Natural Resources a radiator-type heater could be best for Cheryl. It works well in a room that gets constant use. And, since the surface area isn't extremely hot, there's less danger of someone (think children) getting burned.

There's also a formula that Cheryl can use to figure the cost of running a space heater. She'll need to know the size of the space heater in watts. Divide that by 1,000 to get kilowatts. So a 1500 watt heater is 1.5 kilowatts.

Multiply the answer by the number of hours per day the heater is in use to determine how many kilowatts are used per day. Suppose that it's running from 8am until 10pm. She'd multiply 1.5 kilowatts by 12 hours and be using 18 kilowatts per day.

Her electric bill will show how much she pays per kilowatt. Let's use our $0.11 rate. The 18 kilowatts per day multiplied by $0.11 costs Cheryl $1.98 per day to run the heater.

Make no mistake, the furnace is the most efficient way to heat the entire house. But, according to the National Association of Home Builders the average home is 2,200 square feet. That's a lot of space to heat.

And, if you'll study your home, most homes do not have someone in every room 24 hours a day. Each family has a pattern of use. One or two rooms might be in use for much of the day. Other rooms rarely are used except for sleep. Cheryl might find that she can lower the thermostat on the furnace to 60 degrees and use space heaters to raise the temperature in occupied areas.

Chances are that a lot of us don't want to go through all the calculations. You really don't need to. If you only have one or two rooms occupied, it will almost certainly be cheaper to keep your thermostat lower and put a space heater in the occupied rooms. Just remember to take the appropriate safety precautions when using space heaters.


http://www.lighthousecredit.org/Articles70.asp


Love to know how far back it goes, was a member for about a year in 1998, we could use $$, furnace b
so its cold here! Actually it broke the 15, the night before we left for Disney on a Make-A-Wish trip for my daughter Jenny....(we had a blast)...got back 2 days ago, it broke again that night (21st). DH got it running again, but the heater guy disassembled it last night and has not returned yet to put it back together and fix it. Luckily we have a propane fireplace or we'd be in big trouble, still chilly though especially since it goes down to 25 at night, brrrr!---so any $$$ if we are included or entitled would be wonderful...but I doubt we will get so lucky since it was so long ago that I was a "member" of AOL. Guess I will just have to work even more to pay for the repair, fun.
Wood heat, here...

Good thing.  It was 6 degrees here yesterday morning.  Have enough wood stockpiled to last through this winter and halfway into next and I have a +2600 square foot farmhouse.  Also have the LP tank full in case the furnace kicks in.


Now, before I pat myself on the back too hard, let me say that wood heat is a LOT of work and time-consuming and very very very messy.  It's almost like a second job in some ways. 


Wood heat here too
I'm so glad we got an outdoor wood furnace a few years back. We haven't had to buy/use LP for 4 winters now. I'll put up with the work as long as I don't have those high oil prices anymore.
Yes, we just put in a wood stove and turned off
the furnace out in the shop. We know of a guy who gives away free scrap wood, so we're heating the shop for free this year. That'll save quite a chunk of change. I wish we hadn't taken the wood stove out of the house, but it would have cost too much to bring it up to code. Other than that, put on more clothes, extra blankets on the beds, and turn the heat down.
yup, 52 here and between m-pause and wood heat
sometimes i purt near melt!!
Wood versus gas, if just using a fireplace
without having an insert or some type of blower most likely you will be better off using another heat source because of the heat loss through the fireplace, unless you aren't using any other heat source.  We have gas heat and prices are expected to increase 70%.  We had gas logs but had them removed because we couldn't afford to burn them even for the mood affect and that was a couple of years ago.  
cord of wood, not cords.
4 cord of wood
have used wood heat for 20+ years
and we have moved a lot, so had to install numerous times. My husband does it. You can spend a ton of $ on a stove, but we prefer the little inexpensive 'box' type stove. They radiate heat well, you can cook on them, control the 'draft', etc. THey put out a lot of heat. If you have a stove that needs a blower to distribute heat, you'll be in a lurch when the power goes out. Also, your stovepipe must go i think it is 4 ft taller than the high point of your roof in order to draw the air correctly. You must get the fire hot enough often to burn out the creosote or keep it from building up. Learning how to build a fire can be challenging -- but once its going, the coals generated will make it easy to keep going. and please make sure you use smoke alarms on each floor.
outdoor wood boilers
If you live in the north, where our temp is currently 11 degrees, investing in an outdoor wood boiler is the way to go. I don't think you can have them in the city, but if you live out of town, wood is definately cheaper than propane. We can fill our tank once a year (approximately $550)
I haven't put wood in microwave yet...LOL....nm
x
We are paying as we go.... We also have 2 wood stoves, BUT...
the problem you can run into is that your heating system won't call for heat because the inside of the house is warm, then the water in your heating pipes just sits and goes cold and can freeze and burst as it runs along some of the outer walls of the house.  That happened to us last winter and cost 500 dollars to call a plumber out. 
Use mother nature's WOOD HEAT !!
and maybe get a down comforter for the back bedroom...
Can I come to your house? I miss wood heat (sm)

That was our only heat source for over 20 years. It started out as a backup heat source, but soon became our only source.  We lived in a 5 room house back then and it heated the whole place.  If it was 5 degrees outside, it was wonderful to walk into the house. It felt like a cozy warm blanket wrapping around you as soon as you opened the door.  I was never cold. We kept a metal box fan behind it to blow the heat through the rest of the house, and a 30 gal soup pot on top filled with water for humidity. I even cooked a lot of meals on top. Had a whole set of cast iron pans, including the dutch oven. Meals were great. The only thing I didn't like was the "dirt" from the wood.


We now have forced hot air. I hate it. I'm always cold. I still have the wood stove but it's in the storage shed. Can't talk DH into installing it in the house. The only time I am warm is when I go up to the garage where my DH has an old Kenmore apartment size wood/coal kitchen stove that I bought for him a couple years ago. Guess where I spend all my free time...


Had a flu shots ::knocking on wood:: and so far so good
Two little neighbor girls came over to play. They told me that they had been ill with the flu. I asked them to come back in a week to play (their mother will not let them come over now...).
Are you talking about putting a wood burning stove outside or one of
those furnance box things that you burn wood in and vent it to heat the house?  If you are asking about the latter we don't have one, but have looked into it.  They are about $5,000.00, but other than that I don't know anything about them.  
Wood-fired brick oven pizza. nm
nm
I use Word 2000 and have had no problems. (knock on wood).
I used to run it with Microsoft Office, but had too many problems so got rid of MS Office and just run 2000. I have been lucky that when I get .tmp file, I can just delete it. I got so mad when that would happen I was always doing a system restore. What a mess. I got rid of the MS Office and things settled down. I hope this helps.
Found an old couple who were moving. Sold us 4 cords of wood for
x
Agree on the laminate, however, real wood is ruined by water too.
x
Oh brother... here we go

I just love it when someone "assumes" that they know who you are simply by the words you choose and how you lay them out.  Not to mention the fact that should they ever cross paths with you, they wouldn't know you from Adam!  But because you sound educated and spelled everything right and said something that supports this posters adversary, you must be the very person you are defending!  What are you doing MT'ing?  You should be making money as a detective with your special capabilities of deducing who is who based on the written word.


Guess what, I am NOT busy mting or this other guy or any other post on here.  This is my first one on this thread.    


Is anyone following Big Brother on CBS?
Just me?  My big treat is watching tonight at 8:00 and it is the stupidest show on TV, reality-wise.  Love to hate it.
My brother did this to my other (sm)

brother.  One thing I will tell you is to go to the police department where the ticket was issued.  That is the ONLY way I was ever able to clear any of them from my brother's record.  My younger brother had gotten other tickets and used my older brother's name, but since he paid those the court told me "If your brother comes in and admits he did it we can take them off."  Yeah, like that was going to happen!  They didn't seem interested in the fact that my older brother had been working out of state during that time!  From my days at the police department, I can also tell you that the cop probably put something on the ticket indicating that she did not have the actual license, but gave valid information.


Big Brother
does anyone subscribe to the live feed who could tell me who won HOH?
Big Brother 6 is OVER!
And Maggie the nurse won the $500,000. I shall miss those peeps...
oh brother
Once again, one crackpot calling himself a born again Christian but with a flawed theology makes those of us who really are born again look like a bunch of nuts. Way to promote the kingdom, David. (not!)
LOL you are probably right, will get my kid brother to do it.
   Or I will figure it out I suppose.  
I have a brother who had it done (sm)
and you know what I'd really suggest for your DH for long-term success with controlling his weight, in addition to having this surgery, is counseling.

This surgery seems to be a "quick fix" for the physical aspect of weight issues, but no one that I know has ever dealt with the emotional aspect of this problem.

My brother, for instance, says he can eat this and that but then ends up vomiting half of back out because it's a no-no on his intake with this surgery.

Oh, and to make sure he takes all of the supplements, vitamins, etc. I also know of another person who had this done, didn't follow the proper follow-up care in addition to taking supplements and vitamins and ran into a horrible host of problems after this surgery.


My brother went through this

They had a mediator settle everything.  Their's was mutual too and they were happy with the outcome.  They had to wait 18 months for the divorce to be final, but I suppose that depends on what state you are in.


Good luck.


I have a Brother all-in-one and it does the
I have all the updates but it intermittently does this. I turn it off, unplug from the computer and wall, then replug everything. Sometimes, even after this, I will have to restart my computer to reboot the printer. Then it will work. Such a pain!!!
Big brother
Don't count on the fact that you are not being "watched" even at home.  Many companies employ tracking systems embedded in software to track your time and will use it against an MT who breaks too much - does get email through the company and that sort of thing.  You know that if your little fingers are not on the keyboard then you are not producing for them and OMG that is not a good thing!!  ;-)
oh brother...
You complain about the way we treat each other, whether you should just walk away but then say you would miss it.

Make up your mind. If you're being negatively impacted then leave.
The message came from her brother and son. nm

Any Big Brother Fans?
Missed tonights show - who got evicted?
He was working with my brother
I was super-jaded by my ex-boyfriend at the time. But he won me over. Were married 10 years last September. VERY HAPPY!!!! 3 kids.
.12 not .23 - oh brother, too early!
Tired fingers, meant to say even if you have to go from .12 to .11 do it (for now).
Your brother took the right approach...sm
too many docs write a prescription without testing to make sure that a person has the diagnosis to support it. A good doctor will do the testing like you indicated to make sure a patient truly is ADD or ADHD prior to handing out medicine.

Question to the original poster: Are you under extra stress lately? If so, that's probably what is causing you to be scatter brained and learning how to handle stress will be more effective long-term than taking medications.

Good luck to you!
OMG!! :) Big Brother spoiler...SM

I was sooooo glad that Janelle evicted Will!  Man!  I love Janelle, but if she didn't evict Will should would have deserved to lose!


Poor Erica and Janelle...were they ever played by Chilltown!  It must feel so good to get a little revenge on those two.


I hope Erica keeps her word and takes Janie to the final 2 if she makes HOH.


Chickadee


OMG!! :) Big Brother Spoiler...
I totally share the enthusiasm expressed here about how the gals caught onto Chilltown's deceitful ways and just in the nick of time too! I guess Will was my least favorite. He was such a manipulator and did it so well.

Isn't it odd how quickly things cooled off between Erika and Boogie? I didn't see anything that really led up to it, but suddenly, she wasn't sleeping with him anymore and knew she had been played.

Did I miss something on the volcano game? Apparently there is some advantage to Boogie to bow out so early, but I don't get it. What's his strategy?

Can you guys believe what a royal jerk Howie is being in the jury house?
My brother and his girlfriend use it...
and are doing great on it, without any cravings or problems. They couldn't say enough about it. They are in their 50s and have smoked for quite some time, so for them to rave about it, I thought it was good. Good luck!
AMEN BROTHER BEN!
We all need to stage a walk out. We're letting them lead us down the garden path like lambs to the slaughter!
Oh brother. Who cares?
00
Big Brother has a bluetooth set
I'm not sure about anything else related to his hearing aids, but they're very small, and they include bluetooth, and he can hook them up to his cell phone very effectively. And he won't tell me how much they cost, just that they were EXPENSIVE. He's not a transcriptionist, but I have a great deal of trouble hearing people on the cell phone sometimes, and he never does.
what does Mr. Jug Twitty do for a living? And what about Jar, his brother.

They are all staying in Aruba.  How can they take off of work indefinitely even if they aren't wealthy and took a second mortgage on their house. 


PS:  I doubt very much a resort town is giving away free services to these people and their entourage.  This is how a resort makes money you know.  Especially when you are there criticizing their government and call citizens criminal who have been released from jail for lack of evidence.


I have a Brother printer and paid around $400 (SM)
I was doing a lot of printing and not only did it solve the paper getting stuck issue, but the printing is SOOO much faster!!! The quality is better too. I don't know about your docs but when I used the inkjet, if they got the paper wet (coffee or water rings and they did that a lot!) the ink ran.
Exactly- my brother is an ex body builder
and certainly very masculine, but he gets a pedicure every month - his wife is all for it (you know how those hooves can get, guys! LOL), whitens his teeth, highlights his hair, and shaves his entire body (left over behavior from body building days, no doubt).
brother of Nick Lachey....nm
x
his brother who couldn't make it....sm
and while he may appear to be *ghetto* and not  formally educated - calling him stupid makes you look stupid because he is *out there* helping kids today to take the right path instead of all the wrong paths out there today....trying to make them listen and not make mistakes he made in his past. 
get real yourself sistah or brother!! sm...

Started WAY Before Clinton..........*tsk tsk for lack of education on your part.


EDUCATION does not stop until we die so please, by all mean, REEDUCATE yourself.........little sheep being led by shepherd......


 


http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm