for over 10 months now and my main account does nothing but spine injections.....either a HUGE lack of communication (MQ?) or disc is just fine by them...not a word from QA or my accounts!! In fact, if you do a Google search for 'spinal disk' you come up with sites with both 'spinal disc' and 'spinal disk', every other one. Better ask you accounts.
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you have to make an argument for your side. you can't just call people names and win anything but the argument in your own mind.
obvious you have no education beyond 10th grade.
Ah a good debate going like that.
Lemme finish up work and check your link and I as well can find the ones that support my side. No wonder I never make any money at this job, this is way too much fun. Medical transcription is not for those of us that are ADD...LOL
Now that I'm on the other side of the QA debate
I can totally understand why so many people gripe about QA on these boards.
When I was doing QA, I tried really hard to be fair, and to not nitpick every little thing.
Now that I'm back to just doing MT, I am really starting to dislike some QA people. So I just wanted to say I'm sorry for all the stuff I said before, sticking up for QA in general because I see now that there are a lot of horrid QA people.
This whole debate is kind of interesting
I can see the point of both sides but I think that you have to go with what you feel is the right thing to do and what you do really shouldn't have any bearing on what other people, the doctors or whoever are doing. Your decision should be based on what you know to be right and you'll come out way ahead in the long run by building a reputation of fairness and honesty and integrity. Congratulations on even wondering about it anyway and not just saying YEEHAW off to the bank I go!!
So annoying to get a good debate going, and then it's gone.
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Wow! Big debate, reading the replies to this. I believe most....
This was a very interesting query with very interesting responses. I believe most who replied with their numbers. They look in the ball park to me, and the ones who posted sarcastic remarks either don't know what their IQ's are or theirs are low?
Having a high IQ definitely DOES NOT mean that you are superior or well adjusted or happy. Probably the opposite. Personally, I view myself as a (somewhat) total misfit. I say somewhat because I fool a lot of people (including my loved ones) into thinking I am totally normal, when, in fact, I have lots of hang-ups. Then again, maybe other people have similar or worse hang-ups and are not aware of them or have such a high ego they don't care! In other words, people with high IQs can be oversensitive and look for perfection while others with more normal IQs really don't care what everyone else thinks.
Some asked where we came up with our IQ score. I am in my 50s and, back then, the schools tested IQ scores. They would keep the score secret, but my teacher leaked my score out to my parents, he was so excited. It was 137 then. And, with the internet, you can now take a standard IQ test online. My score was still 137 at age 46, but was lower a couple of years ago.
My firstborn, also, has a high IQ at 139, but my two other children with more normal IQs as well as my husband have higher self-esteem. Also, I am an ABSOLUTE TOTAL IDIOT MECHANICALLY. WE ARE TALKING TOTAL NO LOGIC HERE. CAN NOT TURN ON THE TV(digital with black box), OR OPEN ANYTHING WITHOUT THINKING *LEFTY, LOOSY, RIGHTY TIGHTY.* And I only learned that recently. What a blessing.
Seriously, even Einstein couldn't remember the way to get home and forget to..like..put on his socks or bring his lunch. Help! No, I am not comparing myself or other posters to Einstein! Just stating that a high IQ does not, in any fashion, spell success or personal happiness. But, yes, it figures to me that MTs, in general, might have higher IQs and want to hide out at home typing technical reports.
Bologna. There wasn't a debate
until you started one. I questioned putting in a note that a patient smelled like manure. I have nothing against manure or farming or anything of the like, but I had a *gut reaction* it shouldn't be in here because it had NOTHING to do with the medical note. I asked, and the doc said leave it in. Point is...I don't question manure but I questioned whether it belonged in the note.
Digging a little deeper into the CMT debate -
- I think 'CMT preferred' is ALSO another way of saying, 'MT's over 45 need not apply'. Sounds like age-discrimination to me, since most MTs who don't feel the need for a CMT were transcribing as a profession when the CMTs were still wearing Pampers.
I don't understand this whole QA debate in the first place...
or why so many people dislike QA....I do both MT and QA...I just don't get it...
Out sourcing...long debate sm
Oh, and yes, outsourcing will collapse in times to come when the financial divide reduces among nations, especially once major unions like the EU are formed. Moreover, research indicates that it's more of a hassle to manage and offers only marginal cost reduction.
DM
November 11, 2008 09:02 PM
Outsourcing is what caused the demise of the United States economy, in my opinion. The rest of the world depends on the U.S. economy; listen to the news. Multilingual for the U.S.? Realize we are from different backgrounds, but in the U.S. English is the official, unofficial language. In the U.S., learn the language. Reap the benefits but can't speak the language? Automate Spanish and French for our bordering countries but beyond that? I have had very bad experience dealing with customer service reps from another country. You can't even understand each other some of the time. Ask them where they are from and they mispronounce the name of the city and state. Ask them their name. Fake one given. Very misleading. Our country in the last few years has gone downhill economically--lost jobs, lost homes, medicines unavailable for those who need it, because they cannot afford it, etc. Keep people in jobs in the U.S., and the U.S. will do better economically, hence the world would do better economically. Worldwide recession did not start until after U.S. failed--the trickle effect. 24/7 coverage? Pay people enough, and they will work. Heck, at this point, pay them anything and they will work the off shifts. Some people want the graveyard shifts. Americans working in America who aren't bilingual in certain areas (Texas, for example) can't even get a job at Wal-Mart. Think about it. Outsourcing was our demise.
julia
November 11, 2008 09:06 PM
I agree that stopping the outsourcing would be better for the economy since Japan blamed its problems on outsourcing and temp agencies 2008.
Gail
November 11, 2008 09:59 PM
In our big publishing company, help desk and infrastructure support have been consolidated and outsourced several years ago, with disastrous results. Since then, we have had to deal with extended production-critical outages, with CSRs who don't understand simple technical words that everyone in U.S. knows, and with CSRs whose heavy English accent is no good for any kind of customer support.
Observer
November 11, 2008 10:45 PM
It is of course expected that someone from Nuance Communications, which makes IVR software, would be in favor of automated response systems, which drive their revenue. And of course Nick Sharma would prefer outsourcing to India. What are needed are neutral viewpoints. If customers could get a choice of country (Press 1 for U.S., Press 2 for India), when they call their support line, this would make clear what customers prefer.
My issue with outsourcing has nothing to do with the call center agents themselves. My issue is with the executives who implement this solution without thinking it all the way through. They are puppet masters, walking off with all the money on the backs of their employees. Their only concern is the bottom line, the shareholders, and their yearly bonuses. Customer satisfaction seems to have taken a back seat to greed long ago, and outsourcing is merely one facet of this big picture. Don't blame the tech in India who's busting his ass for next to no money to feed his family, just like us "high-and-mighty" Americans do. Blame the executive who hasn't spent enough time and money on training these people, sending them to English class to speak and write clearly, and not paying them enough to get the high quality people that they need to man the call center.
if you can't debate, destroy! bush cronies do the same! GEEZZZZ!!!! What a heated debate about homeschooling!...
Man, this is surely a hot topic! Everyone certainly has their own opinion. In the end, you just have to do for your child what you feel is right. Each child is so different, and you are the only one who REALLY knows YOUR child. Some children flourish in the public school system. Some do not for whatever reason. My first two childen went to public school.
My third (ADHD) WANTED to go to public school, but just couldn't handle it, no matter how much medication and how much counseling, and ended up being homeschooled through the internet for 6,7,8, and begged to try the 2,000 kid high school, so she did. Total disaster. Constant phone calls from the school (same as in grade school) and a 1.6 GPA. She then went back to homeschool through the local alternative school, got a 4.0 GPA. Begged to try the high school again for Junior year. Even worst disaster. 0.6 GPA. She flunked everything she couldn't bring HOME to do. Flunked floral design, basketball, swimming, ceramics, band. Passed all the academics, English, history, science. She is now back to homeschooling through the alternative school, but is allowed to go to the high school dances and walk down the isle for graduation, so she is not too unhappy with that. Good luck to you, whatever you choose.
Why do you take everything so personally? It was a debate about line counts. Now, if I were to say
you were rude, crude, and obnoxious, I could see where you might feel defensive and take it personally. I think the harshest thing I've said to you so far is that you were "stretching the truth" and that you were "misleading people" when you failed to divulge that you work 12 hour days and count gross lines.
Quit being such a cry baby.
Disc must be right because...
ASR always puts disk
Just skip over it.. A little lively debate spices things up.
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I totally agree with you. Had a long debate on this this morning.
being forced to carry the financial "responsibility" for those who can be responsible for themselves! Not to even account for the lives of the rescuers that they put at risk. Get the HECK out of Dodge!
Uh yeah, in a debate there's usually defense and an offense. Hence someone is always "on the
defensive." I simply posted my opinion about non-compete clauses and my experience with an untrustworthy service and how I handled it and then I'm called unethical and unprofessional. That kind of puts me on the defensive, dontcha think? Kind of begs me to defend my actions... Disc or disk--
I really don't have time to search archives EVERYWHERE.....I tried and am only now more confused. I cannot afford an AAMT BOS--please we are arguing with our doctor--tell me, is it disk or disk and what page is it on in the BOS?????
Disk or disc
same meaning on both is this just a preferance?
Disc/disk - sm
I agree - disc for bone, disk for eye...been doing it that way for 25+years, never heard any different.
Disc v Disk
I have been told AAMT is disk for vertebrae and disc for eyes. However in the hospital I worked for on-site it was disk for vertebrae and many hospitals I've worked for want disk. Personally I don't understand this ridiculousness in MT work, as both are actually correct. So bottom line is -- ask for a/c you are working on. LOL
disc and disk
I vote for what the BOS-2 says regardless of the negative posts here. Look at the book and you won't have to post these types of questions here.
disc herniation
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Thanks to both of you - but could you please tell me how to back it up to a disc?
To what extent should one research the spelling of a word when there is more than one way to spell it? I suppose the answer would depend on a number of things, not the least of which is how much time one has to invest in word research. Productivity and therefore one’s pay suffers when ears, hands, and feet leave their transcription mode for any period of time.
If the word in question is a mere 4-letter word, it seems reasonable to believe that any one of respected resources would provide an appropriate spelling, so why bother with much research. Let’s face it, four-letter-word vocabularies are usually subject to more creative spellings than misspellings. However, because I was working on a special project, I decided to put to rest, once and for all time, the correct spelling of disc/disk as used in surgical dictation for a lumbar discectomy/diskectomy. Four hours and several resources later, I was sure I had my answer.
Au contraire.
I began my search in Stedman’s Medical 27th Edition. It is after all my medical dictionary of choice. Clearly the preference for disc/disk when referring to the spine is “disc.” I disagreed. My preferred spelling was “disk” for all things spinal, so I checked the AMA Manual Style. To my delight, they agreed with me. In fact, it clearly states that one should use “disc” for ophthalmologic terms and “disk” for the remainder of the anatomy.
Dr. Dirckx, noted medical language expert, explained disc/disk it in an article that appears in the January 2002 issue of JAAMT. His article begins, “As you have no doubt discovered, reference works show a striking lack of consistency in the spelling of this term.” Amen to that!
I almost always use Vera Pyle’s book for confirmation, she being the all-time guru and grande dame of medical vocabulary. I couldn’t believe my eyes. She directs that one use “disk” when transcribing ophthalmologic dictation and “disc” for the remainder of the anatomy.
All right, the gloves came off. Next stop, the revered AAMT Book of Style. “We recommend the spelling disk for all anatomic and surgical references …” I was satisfied and feeling pretty smug, so I declared the victory to a member of Stedman’s staff and suggested that the Stedman’s Dictionary team look into changing “disc” preference to “disk” in their new edition.
It is a good feeling to be right, and I was feeling real good. That is, until the S27 research team took my suggestion and consulted the world experts in medical terminology. Who are they? “They” are the Federative International Committee on Anatomical Terminology, and “they” are the final word. Chairman Ian Whitmore states that Latin is the basis for the world's official terminology as found in Terminologia Anatomica (TA). Want to know more about TA? It is explained in S27 and makes interesting reading.
And just what do the world experts say about disk/disc? Disc is in for all things medical; disk is out. Why? Because Latin terms have official status and, though the origin of the word is from the Greek term “diskos, the Latin derivation is “discus.”
So, my fellow word junkies, if you have always used “disk” as your preferred spelling in all things anatomical, today is the day to change because “disc” is correct in the eyes of the world.
I don't know who wrote this, but I found it online long ago. Since I was told I was spelling "disc" wrong by other MTs (never by a doctor), I decided to research this matter and found this at http://www.stedmans.com/MTFeaturePrint.cfm/1324.
disc vs disk
a 4-letter word
To what extent should one research the spelling of a word when there is more than one way to spell it? I suppose the answer would depend on a number of things, not the least of which is how much time one has to invest in word research. Productivity and therefore one’s pay suffers when ears, hands, and feet leave their transcription mode for any period of time.
If the word in question is a mere 4-letter word, it seems reasonable to believe that any one of respected resources would provide an appropriate spelling, so why bother with much research. Let’s face it, four-letter-word vocabularies are usually subject to more creative spellings than misspellings. However, because I was working on a special project, I decided to put to rest, once and for all time, the correct spelling of disc/disk as used in surgical dictation for a lumbar discectomy/diskectomy. Four hours and several resources later, I was sure I had my answer.
Au contraire.
I began my search in Stedman’s Medical 27th Edition. It is after all my medical dictionary of choice. Clearly the preference for disc/disk when referring to the spine is “disc.” I disagreed. My preferred spelling was “disk” for all things spinal, so I checked the AMA Manual Style. To my delight, they agreed with me. In fact, it clearly states that one should use “disc” for ophthalmologic terms and “disk” for the remainder of the anatomy.
Dr. Dirckx, noted medical language expert, explained disc/disk it in an article that appears in the January 2002 issue of JAAMT. His article begins, “As you have no doubt discovered, reference works show a striking lack of consistency in the spelling of this term.” Amen to that!
I almost always use Vera Pyle’s book for confirmation, she being the all-time guru and grande dame of medical vocabulary. I couldn’t believe my eyes. She directs that one use “disk” when transcribing ophthalmologic dictation and “disc” for the remainder of the anatomy.
All right, the gloves came off. Next stop, the revered AAMT Book of Style. “We recommend the spelling disk for all anatomic and surgical references …” I was satisfied and feeling pretty smug, so I declared the victory to a member of Stedman’s staff and suggested that the Stedman’s Dictionary team look into changing “disc” preference to “disk” in their new edition.
It is a good feeling to be right, and I was feeling real good. That is, until the S27 research team took my suggestion and consulted the world experts in medical terminology. Who are they? “They” are the Federative International Committee on Anatomical Terminology, and “they” are the final word. Chairman Ian Whitmore states that Latin is the basis for the world's official terminology as found in Terminologia Anatomica(TA). Want to know more about TA? It is explained in S27 and makes interesting reading.
And just what do the world experts say about disk/disc? Disc is in for all things medical; disk is out. Why? Because Latin terms have official status and, though the origin of the word is from the Greek term “diskos, the Latin derivation is “discus.”
So, my fellow word junkies, if you have always used “disk” as your preferred spelling in all things anatomical, today is the day to change because “disc” is correct in the eyes of the world.
This may help with the disc part of question.
Every used Google.com yet? It is a search a question thing. Google.com and enter your phrase such as Eye examination and up come articles. You can click on the TITLES and they open to read, save etc It is a life saver and more you use it the better you learn what to enter so Google can find it
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