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"Change"..the fairy tale. I certainly dont believe

Posted By: in that. More like a bad dream.nm on 2009-01-03
In Reply to: So your political acumen is based on - sm

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But Bridger, you are a fairy tale.

Only you believe you are real.


story changes - obviously a made up fairy tale
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A tale of 2 houses

I just thought this was kind of interesting.

House #1
A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month, this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400 per month. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern 'snow belt' area. It's in the South.

House #2
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every 'green' feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in the Winter and cools it in the Summer. The system uses no fossil fuels, such as oil or natural gas, and it consumes one-quarter the electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks, and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.

~~~~~

HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville , Tennessee ;
it is the residence of the 'environmentalist,' AL Gore.

HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford , Texas ;
it is the residence of former President, George W. Bush.

An 'Inconvenient truth.'



No fairy tales for me either....I actually have to pay
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Fairy tales bore me now.
Witch hunts bore me more.
Fairy tales? They surely won this one!
worry about paying my mortgage any more, all my bills gonna get paid* Hundreds of thousands voting with this dream in their minds, totally unaware of reality. Yes, fairy tales can win elections, we just proved it!
No sale...I don't believe in fairy tales...nm
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Dear Miss Thang. If you dont like it, dont watch.
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rational to one is irrational to another..dont like it, dont read it
Rational posts?  Well, maybe you would think that, however, I disagree..but, what the heck, from your continual posts attacking me over the past few months, it is obvious that we dont agree on anything.  Gotta tell ya, no one chases a person from a chat board..that is a lame excuse for someone who obviously was not able to hold his/her own with the smart liberals who post on this  liberal board.  So gt chased her/him away.  On please!  If a poster is getting to you, you just ignore their posts..dont click on them..Viola!  It is that easy!  Or dont come on the liberal board if you do not like liberal ideology!  Viola!  It is that easy!  So, Im here all the time am I?  Well, punkin, I see your handle always on both this board and the dinosaur board..er..I mean conservative board.  Is this what your debating has gotten down to?  Lets count and see who is here more often?  How ridiculous, how childish, how so....republican.  **BIG HUG**
I dont hate Obama. I just dont see him as qualified
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You dont get it. Most dont want O to fail, they feel
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Same ole' "Change"

OBAMA'S 'CHANGE': BACK TO THE DEMOCRATIC Washington INSIDERS


By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN 


Published on DickMorris.com on November 7, 2008
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What's with Obama's choice of old-time Clinton cronies and recycled Washington insiders to run the transition to his new politics of change?


Can't the anti-Washington insiders President-elect find anyone who isn't a Beltway has-been?


Judging by the appointments to his transition committee and leaks about possible top staff and Cabinet choices, Obama appears to be practicing the politics of status quo, not the politics of change.


Obama based his innovative campaign on an emphatic and convincing commitment to change the culture of Washington and bring in new people, new ideas, and new ways of doing business.
 But now, Obama has definitely changed his tune. As president-elect, he's brought back the old Washington hacks, party regulars, and Clinton sycophants that he so frequently disparaged. Like Jimmy Carter, the last President who ran as an outsider, Obama has reached out to the same old folks who dominate the Democratic Party and represent the status quo.


His Transition Committee looks like a reunion of the Clinton Administration. No new ideas of how to reform the system there. The Chairman, John Podesta, was Clinton's Chief of Staff. He presided over the outrageous last minute pardons and his style is strictly inside-the-beltway and make-no-waves.



Then there's Carol Browner, Clinton's competent former EPA Administrator who became the consummate Washington insider. She's Madeline Albright's partner and recently married mega-lobbyist and former Congressman Tom Downey. During the uproar over Dubai taking over U.S. ports, Browner brought Downey to meet with Senator Chuck Schumer to plead Dubai's case. Downey was paid half a million dollars to push Dubai's position. He's also a lobbyist for Fannie Mae, paid half a million to try to cover their rears on the subprime mortgage mess. Is his change?


Federico Pena was Clinton's Secretary of Transportation and of Energy. The President felt he was unduly soft on Air Florida after their crash and lost confidence in him. Now he's back as a Transition Committee member.


Bill Daley, Clinton's former Secretary of Commerce and the brother of the Mayor of Chicago, is the epitome of the old Democratic establishment. Clinton appointed him to the Fannie Mae Board and his son worked as a lobbyist for the agency. Aren't these the kind of folks that Obama ran against?


Larry Summers, President of Harvard and former Clinton Secretary of the Treasury is not exactly an outsider either. He's also alienated more than a few with his bizarre suggestion that women may be genetically inferior to men in math and science.


Susan Rice, Assistant Secretary of State under Clinton advised John Kerry and Mike Dukakis. Does that tell you enough?


Obama has named one of his big bundlers - Michael Froman, an executive at Citigroup. Is this supposed to symbolize change? 
 
Obama's choice of a spokesperson for the transition is also surprising; hers' is definitely not the face of reason and new politics. Stephanie Cutter is the brash and combative former Clinton, Kerry, and Ted Kennedy mouthpiece. The liberal DailyKos.com once described Cutter as "a moron to the nth degree" when she tried unsuccessfully to force the New York Times' Adam Nagourney to treat her unsolicited email criticizing Howard Dean as "background" without mentioning her name.


Speaking of brash, Rahm Emmanuel, the new White House Chief of Staff, makes Cutter look timid. Rahm is also a former Clinton White House staffer - and a very obnoxious one. He spent his White House years leaking to the Washington Post whenever he didn't like what the President was doing.  Even Bill Clinton stopped trusting him. Any hopes of Obama keeping his commitment to reach across the aisle would go right out the window with Rahm's appointment.  Instead of extending a hand to the opposition, it would be like raising just one finger. And Rahm's strident demeanor laced with the 'f'  word in every sentence will do little to elevate the bipartisan dialogue in Washington.


Christopher Edley, another member of the transition team, is Dean of the Berkeley Law School. He's a former member of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission under Clinton and his wife, Maria Echaveste was Clinton's Deputy Chief of Staff.


Transition committee staffer Christine Varney was a Federal Trade Commissioner under Clinton and worked in the White House.


Throughout the early debates, Obama criticized Hillary as part of the inside-the beltway establishment that needed to go. But now he's reaching out to these exact same folks.  Some change.


Well, he's not the "change" as long as...

...Bush remains "The Decider."  The question is, will Bush leave when it's time, or will he hijack the country, declare martial law and promote himself to "The Dictator," which he "joked" about on three different occasions.  He also giggled about World War III, and he stated back in 1999 (TWO YEARS BEFORE 9/11) that if he ever had the chance to invade Iraq, he would.


"You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier." Describing what it's like to be governor of Texas.
(Governing Magazine 7/98)


-- From Paul Begala's "Is Our Children Learning?"


"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator," Bush joked.


-- CNN.com, December 18, 2000


"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it, " [Bush] said.


-- Business Week, July 30, 2001


 


"Change" does not mean it is GOOD!. Gee, some
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Sounds like "change" we can believe in! NM
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O is for what "change"? Change we cant trust, plus
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On the "change the world" theme...

the stuff just mounts up.


 


http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/15/top-us-communist-says-elect-obama-and-change-the-world/


He's keeping his campaign of "change" - that's for sure
Change? Yeah he keeps changing his mind. I've been saying it all along with others that there is no way he can do everything he wants to and spend, spend, spend without taxing us. This is coming right out of the democrats mouth, 250, 200, 150, and now 120. It keeps going lower and lower.

Sure he wants you to go out and vote early. He keeps pushing it as hard as he can because as each hour goes by we keep learning what more of a "sleeze-bag" he really is and the truth is coming out.

Why do people want someone with his character and already the blatant lies he puts out. Have people taken a break from reality? Do people want to live in socialism and fear?

You are definitely not offending us. These fears you express are so much like mine and many others while.

As far as I'm concerned he is NOT NOT NOT eligible to be president. He has not passed the #1 criteria. "American-born citizen". If he wins it will be a stolen election and illegal and lets just see how many people who believe in the constition will be happy about that.
Please define the "change" you expected
Did you expect complete newcomers to Washington to take top cabinet posts at a time when the country is imploding? Is change about the people who lead or the rules they play by? Doesn't NEW POLICY count for anything? In terms of the economy, do you want experiments or experience? Remember the economy under Clinton years as opposed to W? It is a cabinet, not a regime. Please read the OP about where Obama is supposed to look for appointees and then share your ideas with us, if you don't mind.
So NOT proud of the country. O's "change" just
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"Change"..."Hope"... Obama does not even to
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"change", "hope" -just empty slogans
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Oh, come on. Give Americans "hope", "change" or
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Obama's "change" really means... change
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So much for "Change"! Obama sells appointments for $$

Yeah - I know "everyone does it", but this was all supposed to stop under Obama, remember?  Lobbying and all of that?  Corrupting the system for bucks? 


Remember?


I do.  I also predicted Obama would be as bad as any of the rest of them.  Given his promises, though, he is much, much worse because he's a liar.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=adfv4RHV3Kmk


 


This is for a serious discussion... Do you think Obama will help the black community to "change&#
I am watching a story on Nightly News maybe that's what this is... It is about what he will do for the "black community" I guess they call it. They then pointed out the murder rate between in that community, that African-Americans make up 13% of the population but 40% of the incarcerated, etc. etc.

My discussion would be this, do you think it will be a main focus for him to guide or change those young men and women into better things and do you also think that him simply becoming president gives the ones on a bad road reason to make more of their life?
Nobody called SP a pig. Phrase means JM can call change "change,"
You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. JM can call change "change," but he is still 4 more years of W. SP is the one who is running on the lipstick platform. That's why her supporters are trying to accuse O of calling her a pig.
I dont WANT war. Dont judge me!
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you dont even know me
Talk about generalizing.  LOL.  You dont know these posters, for pete sake.  Most of us are extremists?  Give me a break.  What are you a radical neocon snooping on the liberal board trying to start trouble?  Only someone wanting to start would make a statement like that.
Dont lie, that is all
What are you even posting about?  A conservative got caught in a lie, which is not so uncommon..the lie was proven..PERIOD..Nothing more than that..I guess the lesson is, DONT LIE cause in this day and age, with print, email, bulletin boards, tapes, voice mail, you name it, you will be caught and then your credibility will be questioned. 
so are u saying that you dont sin?
Wow, you are like the only perfect person in the whole world!
Dont believe God had anything to do with it.
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LOL! Dont you know? EVERYTHING is
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dont you have any

family or friends that you might think about for a while.  The victors of the election hold no truck with you.


 


I dont see it that way, but then again, I am not
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I dont agree
I dont agree with the Supreme Idiot Court's decision on eminent domain, not at all..Such a wrong decision..However, I do feel when it comes to an adult woman, the decision over her body is hers and let her stand in judgment with her maker if the decision was wrong..I dont think a child has the right to an abortion without a parents consent, as painful as it will be to the child.  I hope they do take the Supreme Court Justices property away and build a darn hotel..we need to fight back, now, as our rights are being slowly taken away.
A christian, hun?? I dont think so

Robertson calls for assassination of Chavez


Televangelist calls Venezuelan president a ‘terrific danger’ to U.S.


you dont know what you are talking about
A xtian republican understanding jewish situations?  Oh please!  When it comes to jews, you do not know what you are talking about. 
Dont comment, please
A Xtian, if he/she does not want to look like a fool, should not comment on Israel.
dont blame me
Once again surmising about someone on a teeny weeny board.  I would never do that, LOL.  I would hope you are all good people with a different ideology, that is all, and hopefully one day we could understand each other a bit..but once again, attacking, on the liberal board no less.  Please dont attack the messenger, figure out why it all happened and make sure those responsible are held to task.  That is what Im trying to do, get the facts of it all.  If the things I am posting seem to all be attacking Bush, these are articles in the last few days papers, many papers.  They are the ones questioning what the heck is happening down on the gulf and, in turn, so am I.  You dont know anything about me and what I do to help others..Politicizing a tragedy?  No.  Looking at why it happened and what America could have done to have made it not so bad, yes.  That is something our govt has to do.  Who is at fault.  Not for the hurricane, of course, but the levees collapsing, the aid not getting to the unfortunate ones, the money that should have been given to New Orleans but went to war instead, even though Bush was still giving out tax breaks to *his class of people*, the super rich.
dont preach
Oh please, we also do not give sermons to other Americans how to act in a tragedy.  I blame whomever is at the helm of the ship when tragedy strikes.  I blame this administration for cuts in the federal money sent to states..I blame Bush for not knowing what the heck he is doing with this tragedy.  Even officials of FEMA are speaking out about no aid coming New Orleans way, too little too late and thankfully the people will remember this next November when we vote.  Please, do not try to tell others what we should and should not do.  The disaster could have been averted, if they had the money to reinforce the levees..but no, that money had to go to Iraq so we could kill more people..Have you helped the victims yet?  Well, I have..sniff..sniff..I smell a usual conservative poster to the liberal board using a different handle right now..is that you?? 
Dont let the door hit ya on the way out!
Well, sweetie pie, if this liberal posting on a liberal board is bothering you..why dont you just mosey on back to the conservative board and then I wont be disturbing you?  No one is forcing you to come over here.  The disturbing thing, however, is that I fight back and debate  and will not let the neocon gang of three bully me.  Maybe it bothers you that you have met your match and that quite a few liberals are standing up to your nonsense..Getting to ya, huh?  Goooooooood..
I dont know who are you to insult

you.  I certainly do not know your husband.  I did not read your post, if you are referring to one, so if you take particular posts on a board as aimed solely at you, that is not my problem, but yours.


 


Yes! -and dont like to be mean, really, but "Barney"
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But YOU sure do, dont'cha?

gourdpainter? You dont think you are just as
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dont fool yourself
I am a Christian also and always first.  I have been a Christian all of my life.  My father is a Baptist preacher.  I believe in Jesus and try to live my life for him.  Dont kid yourself that John McCain and Sarah Palin are moral.  There is not one, not one politician who is moral.  None of them run the country with God's plan in mind.  If they did, our world would not be like it is.  Obama is not saying that he agrees that abortion is okay because he passes a vote for it.  He is saying that a woman has the right to choose it for herself.  Would he choose abortion for his wife, NO.  But he doesnt feel that he should take the choice of free will from someone else.  God gave us free will to sin or not to sin.  We have the free will that God granted us to choose, choose Jesus, not choose Jesus.  We each, individually will be held accountable for our choices.  Why is giving someone a choice in a matter wrong?  It is what that person chooses that is right or wrong and they are the ones that have to answer for it. 
Once again Mrs M, you have it SO wrong and dont
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dont try 2 explain it to her... she cant get it
she keeps stating she is basing her reply off of the OP.  She doesnt understand how the board works and which post is the original.  That is why she is so confused and doesnt make sense to anyone.  I tried to explain it but she is to hateful to get it.  Just let it go, its not worth it.
sorry dont agree
you say this as Exxon Mobile has record profits just for this quarter.  Those record profits are made off of the backs of the working class, charging us over 4.00 for one gallon of gas.  I think they should pay more taxes, have less tax breaks or whatever it takes to help out the middle man.  I am spending a fortune in gas as inflation goes up but my paycheck stays the same.  My dollar is stretched beyond what a dollar is worth.  Meanwhile, they are stuffing their pockets with my money.  It makes me sick.
You believe Obama. Okay, well I dont.
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