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Acutally, I'm a little excited, but I do know he is one of the most conservative on the list Bush sm

Posted By: Democrat on 2005-08-05
In Reply to: I don't see it as a negative. SM - MT

chose from on the list of people who were less likely to be fillerbustered. 


Contrarily, on Hannity and Coombs last night it was reported that he was very involved and enthusiastic about this case, and I think that he was justified in doing so given the magnitude of the injustices against gays.  It's commendable. 




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    Here's my list of worse than Bush
    Clinton (both of them), Gore, Kerry, the guy who loves his hair (can't think of his name right now - was Kerry's running mate) - okay, not fair I know they are all democrats. Lets see rupublicans worse than Bush...Alan Keyes, Pat Buchanan, oooh...how about this one....Dan Quayle. HA HA HA. All I can say is the country is due for something better than Bush/Cheney.
    You forgot to add Hitler to the list of Bush name-calling.
    *
    You forgot to add Hitler to the list of Bush hatisms.
    *
    William Safire (a conservative) doesn't believe Bush.

    This was on Meet the Press yesterday.  William Safire is a renowned conservative, who was describing his Nixon years.  Any of this sound familiar?


    *I was writing a speech on welfare reform, and the president looks at it and says, OK, I'll go with it, but this is not going to get covered. Leak it as far an wide as you can beforehand. Maybe we'll get something in the paper. And so I go back to my office and I get a call from a reporter, and he wants to know about foreign affairs or something, and I said, Hey, you want a leak? I'll tell you what the president will say tomorrow about welfare reform. And he took it down and wrote a little story about it. But the FBI was illegally tapping his phone at the time, and so they hear a White House speechwriter say, Hey, you want a leak? And so they tapped my phone, and for six months, every home phone call I got was tapped. I didn't like that. And when it finally broke--it did me a lot of good at the time, frankly, because then I was on the right side--but it told me how easy it was to just take somebody who is not really suspected of anything for any good reason and listen to every conversation in his home--you know, my wife talking to her doctor, my--everything.*


    George W. Bush says he is only illegally wiretapping terrorists. William Safire isn't buying it.


    Acutally...sad to say....
    folks like that thrive in what our society has become...taken freedom of speech and the press so far that we condone pornography and all sorts of deviant behavior put to film with no consequences whatsoever; a woman who is being battered has to dang near be killed before police will do anything because their hands are tied by laws designed to protect the criminals much more than they protect the victims...and on and on and on. All in the name of political correctness. While "eliminate" is harsh, I am not so sure that islands in the middle of the ocean would not be a bad idea. Fly over once a month and drop supplies. Let them live with each other for the rest of their lives. Punishment enough I'd say. Batterers, child molesters, rapists, those who would negelct or hurt children...yep. Let them live with each other for the rest of their lives in a prison without bars. Works for me.
    Acutally...(sm)
    The source is Hannity's website....Yeah, let's just ignore that.
    Evidently, my conservative friend, there is no opportunity to be missed in attacking Bush.
    And threads are being hijacked on the conservative board as well.  It's amazing.
    Oh by all means....he acutally has a calculator...
    on his website. lol.
    why are you excited?
    Not criticizing you, but what makes you think that this is not just another politician promising "change". I do not mean to be cynical, but they really all say the same thing. Some are just better than others at making speeches. I am probably older than you and have seen it all before. None of them ever come through with what they promise. It is not really their fault, I suppose. Trying to work with Congress is probably close to impossible. If you really think that the President or anyone in government is going to directly change your life, you may be in dreamland. Our country was founded by the people, not the government. The only thing to get you excited is most likely the reality of higher taxes, which we don't need.   Good luck.
    I'm excited

    We all know that changes in Washington are hard to come by but Obama is so inspirational, he makes usthink it can actually happen - that HOPE thing he talks about. A big part of being president is being a great communicator, and that he definitely is!!


    I'm so excited I can hardly contain myself. LOL
    NOT
    I'm not getting too excited yet. After all,

    I really,really want to help pay for NASA programs, setting up new government programs/agencies that have nothing to do with stimulating the economy, only stimulating the government, providing salaries for program directors, etc.


    Where's the help for the real people? I haven't read the whole thing yet, but I'm getting there slowly but surely. It's at this time I wish I was a speed reader. LOL


     


    I wouldn't get too excited yet......(sm)

    The pubs will change it when it hits the senate.  And what do they want?  How about more tax cuts for corporations......haven't we done that for about the last 8 years, and where did that get us?  Check this out.


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28899712#28880184


    Don't get too excited.... my candidate
    At least my candidate wasn't buying his votes through ACORN and offering a pint of whiskey or a pack of cigarettes JUST to register to vote and to top that off folks, "we'll give you a free ride from your corner crack dealership right to the front door of the voting center; better yet, we'll even TELL you who to vote for so ya don't even have to think for yourself, since you didn't in the first place..... just let ACORN do all the work for ya you dimwitted little souls".

    Is that what you meant by beating the streets? ROFL!!!!!
    I know you are all excited by this trashy
    crap being driven into the ground. We knew this is where Obama was going the day he announced the people who *performed* these acts would not be investigated. That left things wide open for the Bush Admin, esp Bush & Cheney, to be objects of his witch hunt. And of all people to be in charge, AG Holder!!, what a farce!

    I realize I am way off the deep end, but don't hang out your victory flags just yet!
    great, excited to check it out. nm
    nm
    Totally excited - He gives us hope for a better future
    Obama is the first candidate in my entire life that gives me hope of getting our country back on track. Here is why I am against Clinton and as a citizen will never vote for her (it just goes against all my beliefs as a human being and how I think other human beings should be treated). Here are some of the quotes she had made in the past. There are way too many so will limit it to just a few. I know I was sick after reading these....

    “We just can’t trust the American people to make those types of choices, Government has to make those choices for people “ - Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hasert in 1993 discussing her expensive, disastrous taxpayer-funded health care plan.

    “You know, I’m going to start thanking the woman who cleans the restroom in the building I work in. I’m going to start thinking of her as a human being”

    “I am a fan of the social policies that you find in Europe ”

    “If you want to remain on this detail, get your f***ing *ss over here and grab those bags!” - Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident.

    “F***ing Jew Bast**d. – Hillary’s remarks about Fray (who ran Bill’s campaign) while in a rage after Bill’s run for congress failed. This slur was heard by many people.

    “Where is the G-da**ed f***ing flag? I want the G-dam**d f***ing flag up every f***ing morning at f***ing sunrise.” – Hillary to the staff at the Arkansas Governor’s mansion on Labor Day, 1991

    “F*** off! It’s enough that I have to see you sh**-kickers every day, I’m not going to talk to you too!! Just do your G*dam job and keep your mouth shut.” - Hillary to her State Trooper body guards after one of them greeted her with “Good Morning.”

    Her rages continued when she moved into the white house and the secret service more than once had to pull her off of her husband after she attacked him.

    And this is the thing that people actually want running the country? Sheesh! That's enough to make me sick. I live in America, not some country being run by a socialist - just say NO to Clinton.

    Any suggestions on how to keep my sanity if she actually does become president? I've thought about citizenship to another country but not sure if that would solve anything.

    Conservative vs true conservative
    The Conservative:
    I'm a conservative. I believe in individual liberty, free markets,
    private
    property, and limited government, except for:
    1. Social Security;
    2. Medicare;
    3. Medicaid;
    4. Welfare;
    5. Drug laws;
    6. Public schooling;
    7. Federal grants;
    8. Economic regulations;
    9. Minimum-wage laws and price controls;
    10. Federal Reserve System;
    11. Paper money;
    12. Income taxation and the IRS;
    13. Trade restrictions;
    14. Immigration controls;
    15. Foreign aid;
    16. Foreign wars of aggression;
    17. Foreign occupations;
    18. An overseas military empire;
    19. A standing army and a military industrial complex;
    20. Infringements on civil liberties;
    21. Military detentions and denial of due process and jury trials for
    citizens
    and non-citizens accused of crimes;
    22. Torture and sex abuse of prisoners;
    23. Secret kidnappings and renditions to brutal foreign regimes for
    purposes of torture;
    24. Secret torture centers around the world;
    25. Secret courts and secret judicial proceedings;
    26. Warrantless wiretapping of citizens and non-citizens;
    27. Violations of the Constitution and Bill of Rights for purposes of
    national security;
    28. Out-of-control federal spending to pay for all this.

    The Libertarian (true conservative):
    I'm a libertarian. I believe in individual liberty, free markets,
    private
    property, and limited government. Period. No exceptions.

    Add this to the list
    Remember a while back when this story first hit the fan and the cons from the other board came over to tell us we are paranoid? Boy, life sure is simpler if you drink the Kool-Aid, isn't it?

    A representative from Qwest just told me they have had lots of calls switching their service over to them.


    By Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY
    The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.

    The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans — most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.

    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS: The NSA record collection program

    It's the largest database ever assembled in the world, said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency's goal is to create a database of every call ever made within the nation's borders, this person added.

    For the customers of these companies, it means that the government has detailed records of calls they made — across town or across the country — to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others.

    The three telecommunications companies are working under contract with the NSA, which launched the program in 2001 shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the sources said. The program is aimed at identifying and tracking suspected terrorists, they said.

    The sources would talk only under a guarantee of anonymity because the NSA program is secret.

    Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden, nominated Monday by President Bush to become the director of the CIA, headed the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005. In that post, Hayden would have overseen the agency's domestic call-tracking program. Hayden declined to comment about the program.

    The NSA's domestic program, as described by sources, is far more expansive than what the White House has acknowledged. Last year, Bush said he had authorized the NSA to eavesdrop — without warrants — on international calls and international e-mails of people suspected of having links to terrorists when one party to the communication is in the USA. Warrants have also not been used in the NSA's efforts to create a national call database.

    In defending the previously disclosed program, Bush insisted that the NSA was focused exclusively on international calls. In other words, Bush explained, one end of the communication must be outside the United States.

    As a result, domestic call records — those of calls that originate and terminate within U.S. borders — were believed to be private.

    Sources, however, say that is not the case. With access to records of billions of domestic calls, the NSA has gained a secret window into the communications habits of millions of Americans. Customers' names, street addresses and other personal information are not being handed over as part of NSA's domestic program, the sources said. But the phone numbers the NSA collects can easily be cross-checked with other databases to obtain that information.

    Don Weber, a senior spokesman for the NSA, declined to discuss the agency's operations. Given the nature of the work we do, it would be irresponsible to comment on actual or alleged operational issues; therefore, we have no information to provide, he said. However, it is important to note that NSA takes its legal responsibilities seriously and operates within the law.

    The White House would not discuss the domestic call-tracking program. There is no domestic surveillance without court approval, said Dana Perino, deputy press secretary, referring to actual eavesdropping.

    She added that all national intelligence activities undertaken by the federal government are lawful, necessary and required for the pursuit of al-Qaeda and affiliated terrorists. All government-sponsored intelligence activities are carefully reviewed and monitored, Perino said. She also noted that all appropriate members of Congress have been briefed on the intelligence efforts of the United States.

    The government is collecting external data on domestic phone calls but is not intercepting internals, a term for the actual content of the communication, according to a U.S. intelligence official familiar with the program. This kind of data collection from phone companies is not uncommon; it's been done before, though never on this large a scale, the official said. The data are used for social network analysis, the official said, meaning to study how terrorist networks contact each other and how they are tied together.

    Carriers uniquely positioned

    AT&T recently merged with SBC and kept the AT&T name. Verizon, BellSouth and AT&T are the nation's three biggest telecommunications companies; they provide local and wireless phone service to more than 200 million customers.

    The three carriers control vast networks with the latest communications technologies. They provide an array of services: local and long-distance calling, wireless and high-speed broadband, including video. Their direct access to millions of homes and businesses has them uniquely positioned to help the government keep tabs on the calling habits of Americans.

    Among the big telecommunications companies, only Qwest has refused to help the NSA, the sources said. According to multiple sources, Qwest declined to participate because it was uneasy about the legal implications of handing over customer information to the government without warrants.

    Qwest's refusal to participate has left the NSA with a hole in its database. Based in Denver, Qwest provides local phone service to 14 million customers in 14 states in the West and Northwest. But AT&T and Verizon also provide some services — primarily long-distance and wireless — to people who live in Qwest's region. Therefore, they can provide the NSA with at least some access in that area.

    Created by President Truman in 1952, during the Korean War, the NSA is charged with protecting the United States from foreign security threats. The agency was considered so secret that for years the government refused to even confirm its existence. Government insiders used to joke that NSA stood for No Such Agency.

    In 1975, a congressional investigation revealed that the NSA had been intercepting, without warrants, international communications for more than 20 years at the behest of the CIA and other agencies. The spy campaign, code-named Shamrock, led to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which was designed to protect Americans from illegal eavesdropping.

    Enacted in 1978, FISA lays out procedures that the U.S. government must follow to conduct electronic surveillance and physical searches of people believed to be engaged in espionage or international terrorism against the United States. A special court, which has 11 members, is responsible for adjudicating requests under FISA.

    Over the years, NSA code-cracking techniques have continued to improve along with technology. The agency today is considered expert in the practice of data mining — sifting through reams of information in search of patterns. Data mining is just one of many tools NSA analysts and mathematicians use to crack codes and track international communications.

    Paul Butler, a former U.S. prosecutor who specialized in terrorism crimes, said FISA approval generally isn't necessary for government data-mining operations. FISA does not prohibit the government from doing data mining, said Butler, now a partner with the law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld in Washington, D.C.

    The caveat, he said, is that personal identifiers — such as names, Social Security numbers and street addresses — can't be included as part of the search. That requires an additional level of probable cause, he said.

    The usefulness of the NSA's domestic phone-call database as a counterterrorism tool is unclear. Also unclear is whether the database has been used for other purposes.

    The NSA's domestic program raises legal questions. Historically, AT&T and the regional phone companies have required law enforcement agencies to present a court order before they would even consider turning over a customer's calling data. Part of that owed to the personality of the old Bell Telephone System, out of which those companies grew.

    Ma Bell's bedrock principle — protection of the customer — guided the company for decades, said Gene Kimmelman, senior public policy director of Consumers Union. No court order, no customer information — period. That's how it was for decades, he said.

    The concern for the customer was also based on law: Under Section 222 of the Communications Act, first passed in 1934, telephone companies are prohibited from giving out information regarding their customers' calling habits: whom a person calls, how often and what routes those calls take to reach their final destination. Inbound calls, as well as wireless calls, also are covered.

    The financial penalties for violating Section 222, one of many privacy reinforcements that have been added to the law over the years, can be stiff. The Federal Communications Commission, the nation's top telecommunications regulatory agency, can levy fines of up to $130,000 per day per violation, with a cap of $1.325 million per violation. The FCC has no hard definition of violation. In practice, that means a single violation could cover one customer or 1 million.

    In the case of the NSA's international call-tracking program, Bush signed an executive order allowing the NSA to engage in eavesdropping without a warrant. The president and his representatives have since argued that an executive order was sufficient for the agency to proceed. Some civil liberties groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, disagree.

    Companies approached

    The NSA's domestic program began soon after the Sept. 11 attacks, according to the sources. Right around that time, they said, NSA representatives approached the nation's biggest telecommunications companies. The agency made an urgent pitch: National security is at risk, and we need your help to protect the country from attacks.

    The agency told the companies that it wanted them to turn over their call-detail records, a complete listing of the calling histories of their millions of customers. In addition, the NSA wanted the carriers to provide updates, which would enable the agency to keep tabs on the nation's calling habits.

    The sources said the NSA made clear that it was willing to pay for the cooperation. AT&T, which at the time was headed by C. Michael Armstrong, agreed to help the NSA. So did BellSouth, headed by F. Duane Ackerman; SBC, headed by Ed Whitacre; and Verizon, headed by Ivan Seidenberg.

    With that, the NSA's domestic program began in earnest.

    AT&T, when asked about the program, replied with a comment prepared for USA TODAY: We do not comment on matters of national security, except to say that we only assist law enforcement and government agencies charged with protecting national security in strict accordance with the law.

    In another prepared comment, BellSouth said: BellSouth does not provide any confidential customer information to the NSA or any governmental agency without proper legal authority.

    Verizon, the USA's No. 2 telecommunications company behind AT&T, gave this statement: We do not comment on national security matters, we act in full compliance with the law and we are committed to safeguarding our customers' privacy.

    Qwest spokesman Robert Charlton said: We can't talk about this. It's a classified situation.

    In December, The New York Times revealed that Bush had authorized the NSA to wiretap, without warrants, international phone calls and e-mails that travel to or from the USA. The following month, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group, filed a class-action lawsuit against AT&T. The lawsuit accuses the company of helping the NSA spy on U.S. phone customers.

    Last month, U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales alluded to that possibility. Appearing at a House Judiciary Committee hearing, Gonzales was asked whether he thought the White House has the legal authority to monitor domestic traffic without a warrant. Gonzales' reply: I wouldn't rule it out. His comment marked the first time a Bush appointee publicly asserted that the White House might have that authority.

    Similarities in programs

    The domestic and international call-tracking programs have things in common, according to the sources. Both are being conducted without warrants and without the approval of the FISA court. The Bush administration has argued that FISA's procedures are too slow in some cases. Officials, including Gonzales, also make the case that the USA Patriot Act gives them broad authority to protect the safety of the nation's citizens.

    The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., would not confirm the existence of the program. In a statement, he said, I can say generally, however, that our subcommittee has been fully briefed on all aspects of the Terrorist Surveillance Program. ... I remain convinced that the program authorized by the president is lawful and absolutely necessary to protect this nation from future attacks.

    The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., declined to comment.

    One company differs

    One major telecommunications company declined to participate in the program: Qwest.

    According to sources familiar with the events, Qwest's CEO at the time, Joe Nacchio, was deeply troubled by the NSA's assertion that Qwest didn't need a court order — or approval under FISA — to proceed. Adding to the tension, Qwest was unclear about who, exactly, would have access to its customers' information and how that information might be used.

    Financial implications were also a concern, the sources said. Carriers that illegally divulge calling information can be subjected to heavy fines. The NSA was asking Qwest to turn over millions of records. The fines, in the aggregate, could have been substantial.

    The NSA told Qwest that other government agencies, including the FBI, CIA and DEA, also might have access to the database, the sources said. As a matter of practice, the NSA regularly shares its information — known as product in intelligence circles — with other intelligence groups. Even so, Qwest's lawyers were troubled by the expansiveness of the NSA request, the sources said.

    The NSA, which needed Qwest's participation to completely cover the country, pushed back hard.

    Trying to put pressure on Qwest, NSA representatives pointedly told Qwest that it was the lone holdout among the big telecommunications companies. It also tried appealing to Qwest's patriotic side: In one meeting, an NSA representative suggested that Qwest's refusal to contribute to the database could compromise national security, one person recalled.

    In addition, the agency suggested that Qwest's foot-dragging might affect its ability to get future classified work with the government. Like other big telecommunications companies, Qwest already had classified contracts and hoped to get more.

    Unable to get comfortable with what NSA was proposing, Qwest's lawyers asked NSA to take its proposal to the FISA court. According to the sources, the agency refused.

    The NSA's explanation did little to satisfy Qwest's lawyers. They told (Qwest) they didn't want to do that because FISA might not agree with them, one person recalled. For similar reasons, this person said, NSA rejected Qwest's suggestion of getting a letter of authorization from the U.S. attorney general's office. A second person confirmed this version of events.

    In June 2002, Nacchio resigned amid allegations that he had misled investors about Qwest's financial health. But Qwest's legal questions about the NSA request remained.

    Unable to reach agreement, Nacchio's successor, Richard Notebaert, finally pulled the plug on the NSA talks in late 2004, the sources said.

    Contributing: John Diamond
    Posted 5/10/2006 11:16 PM ET
    Wow. That is quite a list
    you've got there. It sounds like you would be happiest in another country and I am not being a smart aleck here. There are countries where your list is pretty much real life. Cuba, Equador, Paraguay, Uruguay to name a few. I know a man who just moved to Equador and he is quite happy. He went for many of the reasons you state. He really just wanted to be left alone. Besides, it is beautiful there...the Gallapagos Islands...the best mangoes in the world. I have given a lot of thought to moving out of the U.S. for a time anyway to try to gain some perspective. Just a thought.
    P.S. I don't have a list

     of bottom feeders. In this world of ever worsening crises, misery, pain, hunger, intolerance, etc., I am trying more and more to avoid what I consider to be the ugliness that I cab avoid; meaning I don't have to listen to, I don't have to read, etc. There is enough sadness that I cannot turn my back on but I can turn my back on bottom feeders.


     


    List what he's done, please

    Sean Hannity has been asking people all over the place, to no avail.  I'm guessing you saw Newt & that NBC guy, who couldn't provide an answer?


    At least you posed your piece in a respectful tone.  The tone on this board has become so obnoxious that I could be in DailyKos Land and not even know the difference. 


    Sally Quinn even went on O'Reilly Factoid to admit she had been wrong about Sarah.  That's impressive.


    Acc. to your list......
    almost everybody is then a natural-born-citizen.
    Then no need to change the constitution.
    Thank you for proving again that Obama is a natural-born American citizen.
    I hope that the Republicans put this issue FINALLY to rest.
    Add another one to the list...sm

    Hurt by competition from Best Buy Co. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and by pressure from the downturn in the economy that led shoppers to cut back on discretionary purchases, the 59-year old Circuit City Stores Inc. on Monday filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

    Circuit City's move came a week after the company, suffering from declining sales, traffic and cash, said that it planned to shut 155 U.S. underperforming stores and cut 7,300 jobs in a last-ditch effort to stay afloat. 

    Click link below for more info....................


    http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/circuit-city-files-chapter-11/story.aspx?guid=%7BD9CB8DE9-943F-4C3F-A007-24081B471F20%7D&dist=msr_5


    Do you really want the list...(sm)

    of broken promises from Bush?  He had 8 years to get his done, and failed miserably.  Obama has had what....3 whole days and you already want to crucify him?  For all the whining you guys did about kool-aid drinkers thinking Obama is God, you seem to be the ones expecting miracles.


    Here is a list.

    Democrats and their affairs.


    John F. Kennedy: widely known to have had many extramarital affairs while President - including one with Marylin Monroe.


    William Jefferson Clinton- Gennifer Flowersgate - Paula Jonesgate- The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Jaunita Broaddrick Gate


    John Edwards: Ex-Democrat presidential candidate and Senator- admitted to having an extramarital affair during his campaign for president while his wife was suffering from brast cancer.


    Reverand Jesse Jackson: Ex-Democrat presidential candidate admitted in 2001 to having an extramarital affair and fathering a child out of wedlock.


    Barney Frank: U.S. Representative from Massachusetts. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.


    Colorado Sen. Gary Hart: He was considered the front-runner for the 1988 Democratic presidential nomination until the press uncovered his extramarital affair with 29-year-old model Donna Rice. He dropped out of the race a week later.


    New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer: Democrat - New York governor - resigned from office after being tied to a prostitution ring and having affairs with prostitutes..


    New Jersey Gov. James McGreevey: McGreevey resigned three months after admitting in 2004 that he had had an extramarital affair with a male employee.


    Modesto Rep. Gary Condit: Authorities revealed Condit had an extramarital affair in 2001 with intern Chandra Levy, who had disappeared. In 2002, he lost a primary election, and Levy's remains were found in a Washington park. The case is still unsolved.


    Florida U.S. Rep. Tim Mahoney: admitted he had an affair with an aide and it is reported paid her $121,000 to keep her quiet and avoid a sexual harassment lawsuit.


    Henry G. Cisneros: Former housing secretary under Bill Clinton pleaded guilty to a single misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI about money he paid to a former mistress.


    Rep. Mel Reynolds: of Illinois was convicted in 1995 of sexual assault against a 16-year-old girl- sentenced to five years in prison. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.


    Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick: Text messages indicate he had an extramarital affair with his chief of staff.


    San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom: The mayor admitted an extramarital affair in 2007 with the wife of his former deputy chief of staff.


    Marion Barry: Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine ith a longtime female friend.


    Gov. David A. Paterson acknowledged Monday having extramarital affairs during a period in their 15-year marriage.


    Gerry Eastman Studds - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.


    Former New York Rep. Fred Richmond: arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy. He remained in Congress and won re-election, but resigned in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.


    Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor.


    Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa: Announced he had a 2007 extramarital affair with a television reporter covering City Hall. He has filed for divorce from his wife, and remains in office.


    David Giles: Candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.


    Neil Goldschmidt: Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.


    Kentucky Governor Paul Patton: political career fell apart after allegations he retaliated against an ex-mistress' business when she ended the affair.


    Ohio Rep. Wayne Hays: Rresigned from Congress in 1976 after his mistress, Elizabeth Ray, said he hired her as part of his staff.


    Washington Sen. Brock Adams: abandoned a reelection campaign in 1992 amid numerous allegations from women of drugging, assault and rape.


    West Virginia Governor Bob Wise: admitted to an extramarital affair;


    Allan Turner Howe: U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.


    Joseph Waggonner Jr.: U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 1979. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.


     


    I'm sure there are many pubs that have had affairs as well but I couldn't find an actual list.


    Here is a list.

    Democrats and their affairs.


    John F. Kennedy: widely known to have had many extramarital affairs while President - including one with Marylin Monroe.


    William Jefferson Clinton- Gennifer Flowersgate - Paula Jonesgate- The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Jaunita Broaddrick Gate


    John Edwards: Ex-Democrat presidential candidate and Senator- admitted to having an extramarital affair during his campaign for president while his wife was suffering from brast cancer.


    Reverand Jesse Jackson: Ex-Democrat presidential candidate admitted in 2001 to having an extramarital affair and fathering a child out of wedlock.


    Barney Frank: U.S. Representative from Massachusetts. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.


    Colorado Sen. Gary Hart: He was considered the front-runner for the 1988 Democratic presidential nomination until the press uncovered his extramarital affair with 29-year-old model Donna Rice. He dropped out of the race a week later.


    New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer: Democrat - New York governor - resigned from office after being tied to a prostitution ring and having affairs with prostitutes..


    New Jersey Gov. James McGreevey: McGreevey resigned three months after admitting in 2004 that he had had an extramarital affair with a male employee.


    Modesto Rep. Gary Condit: Authorities revealed Condit had an extramarital affair in 2001 with intern Chandra Levy, who had disappeared. In 2002, he lost a primary election, and Levy's remains were found in a Washington park. The case is still unsolved.


    Florida U.S. Rep. Tim Mahoney: admitted he had an affair with an aide and it is reported paid her $121,000 to keep her quiet and avoid a sexual harassment lawsuit.


    Henry G. Cisneros: Former housing secretary under Bill Clinton pleaded guilty to a single misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI about money he paid to a former mistress.


    Rep. Mel Reynolds: of Illinois was convicted in 1995 of sexual assault against a 16-year-old girl- sentenced to five years in prison. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.


    Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick: Text messages indicate he had an extramarital affair with his chief of staff.


    San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom: The mayor admitted an extramarital affair in 2007 with the wife of his former deputy chief of staff.


    Marion Barry: Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine ith a longtime female friend.


    Gov. David A. Paterson acknowledged Monday having extramarital affairs during a period in their 15-year marriage.


    Gerry Eastman Studds - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.


    Former New York Rep. Fred Richmond: arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy. He remained in Congress and won re-election, but resigned in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.


    Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor.


    Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa: Announced he had a 2007 extramarital affair with a television reporter covering City Hall. He has filed for divorce from his wife, and remains in office.


    David Giles: Candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.


    Neil Goldschmidt: Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.


    Kentucky Governor Paul Patton: political career fell apart after allegations he retaliated against an ex-mistress' business when she ended the affair.


    Ohio Rep. Wayne Hays: Rresigned from Congress in 1976 after his mistress, Elizabeth Ray, said he hired her as part of his staff.


    Washington Sen. Brock Adams: abandoned a reelection campaign in 1992 amid numerous allegations from women of drugging, assault and rape.


    West Virginia Governor Bob Wise: admitted to an extramarital affair;


    Allan Turner Howe: U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.


    Joseph Waggonner Jr.: U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 1979. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.


     


    I'm sure there are many pubs that have had affairs as well but I couldn't find an actual list.


    Here is a list.

    Democrats and their affairs.


    John F. Kennedy: widely known to have had many extramarital affairs while President - including one with Marylin Monroe.


    William Jefferson Clinton- Gennifer Flowersgate - Paula Jonesgate- The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Jaunita Broaddrick Gate


    John Edwards: Ex-Democrat presidential candidate and Senator- admitted to having an extramarital affair during his campaign for president while his wife was suffering from brast cancer.


    Reverand Jesse Jackson: Ex-Democrat presidential candidate admitted in 2001 to having an extramarital affair and fathering a child out of wedlock.


    Barney Frank: U.S. Representative from Massachusetts. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.


    Colorado Sen. Gary Hart: He was considered the front-runner for the 1988 Democratic presidential nomination until the press uncovered his extramarital affair with 29-year-old model Donna Rice. He dropped out of the race a week later.


    New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer: Democrat - New York governor - resigned from office after being tied to a prostitution ring and having affairs with prostitutes..


    New Jersey Gov. James McGreevey: McGreevey resigned three months after admitting in 2004 that he had had an extramarital affair with a male employee.


    Modesto Rep. Gary Condit: Authorities revealed Condit had an extramarital affair in 2001 with intern Chandra Levy, who had disappeared. In 2002, he lost a primary election, and Levy's remains were found in a Washington park. The case is still unsolved.


    Florida U.S. Rep. Tim Mahoney: admitted he had an affair with an aide and it is reported paid her $121,000 to keep her quiet and avoid a sexual harassment lawsuit.


    Henry G. Cisneros: Former housing secretary under Bill Clinton pleaded guilty to a single misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI about money he paid to a former mistress.


    Rep. Mel Reynolds: of Illinois was convicted in 1995 of sexual assault against a 16-year-old girl- sentenced to five years in prison. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.


    Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick: Text messages indicate he had an extramarital affair with his chief of staff.


    San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom: The mayor admitted an extramarital affair in 2007 with the wife of his former deputy chief of staff.


    Marion Barry: Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine ith a longtime female friend.


    Gov. David A. Paterson acknowledged Monday having extramarital affairs during a period in their 15-year marriage.


    Gerry Eastman Studds - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.


    Former New York Rep. Fred Richmond: arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy. He remained in Congress and won re-election, but resigned in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.


    Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor.


    Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa: Announced he had a 2007 extramarital affair with a television reporter covering City Hall. He has filed for divorce from his wife, and remains in office.


    David Giles: Candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.


    Neil Goldschmidt: Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.


    Kentucky Governor Paul Patton: political career fell apart after allegations he retaliated against an ex-mistress' business when she ended the affair.


    Ohio Rep. Wayne Hays: Rresigned from Congress in 1976 after his mistress, Elizabeth Ray, said he hired her as part of his staff.


    Washington Sen. Brock Adams: abandoned a reelection campaign in 1992 amid numerous allegations from women of drugging, assault and rape.


    West Virginia Governor Bob Wise: admitted to an extramarital affair;


    Allan Turner Howe: U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.


    Joseph Waggonner Jr.: U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 1979. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.


     


    I'm sure there are many pubs that have had affairs as well but I couldn't find an actual list.


    list some instances, please
    Where have republicans given hand ups? 
    My list would be much longer :) nm
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    Add Reuters to the list. sm
    Have you seen the doctored picture from Beirut?  
    The list of anomalies...... sm

    To accept the official story requires someone to accept a long series of anomalies -- extremely improbable events, amazing coincidences, and contradictions. I hardly think Osama is still alive.   The man was on kidney dialysis and I doubt you can keep that kind of equipment in caves. 


    Now for the boogeyman:  Ana raicha Al Qaeda is colloquial for I'm going to the toilet. A very common and widespread use of the word “Al-Qaeda” in different Arab countries in the public language is for the toilet bowl. This name comes from the Arabic verb “Qa'ada” which mean “to sit”, pertinently, on the “Toilet Bowl”. In most Arabs homes there are two kinds of toilets: “Al-Qaeda” also called the Hamam Franji or foreign toilet, and Hamam Arabi or “Arab toilet” which is a hole in the ground. Lest we forget it, the potty used by small children is called Ma Qa'adia or Little Qaeda.


    So, if you were forming a terrorist group, would you call yourself, The Toilet?


    I do not think Bush did it.  Those of us who are able to think on own, ask questions, and have done some research, know he is just a figurehead.  Even though I know you are a pseudoskeptic, here is just a short list of some of the anomalies.  The research that has been done on this topic is very thorough and easy to find with Google. 


    1.  Indications of Foreknowledge 
    - Pre-attack put option surges anticipated post-attack stock declines. 
    - Put/call ratios on American Airlines and United Airlines stock increased five-fold and twenty-fold. 
    - High officials avoided the attack targets. 
    - John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial. 
    - Salman Rushdie, Willie Brown, and Pentagon officials were warned not to fly on the eve of the attack. 
    - On 9/11/01 Warren Buffett, an investor in unmanned aerial vehicle maker MITRE, hosted a breakfast meeting of WTC CEOs at Offutt AFB, where President Bush later landed that day. 
    - The World Trade Center and Pentagon were anticipated terrorist targets. 
    - War game scenarios targeted the WTC and Pentagon. 
    - The use of jetliners as weapons was anticipated.


    2.  Military's Non-Response
    - The official story posits a long series of improbable failures. 
    - The official timelines blame the FAA for inexplicably long delays in notifying the military, after originally claiming to have been notified sooner but without specific locations. 
    - Jets were not scrambled from nearest bases. 
    - Jets in the air were not vectored to intercept jetliners. 
    - According to NORAD and 9/11 Commission timelines, military jets flew at small fractions of their top speeds. 
    - Claims that hijacked jetliners couldn't be tracked contrasts with ability of the FAA to land over 4000 aircraft at different destinations in two hours. 
    - At least four simultaneous war game exercises were being conducted on 9/11/01. 
    - The NRO exercise involved a plane-crash-into-building scenario. 
    - Operations Vigilant Warrior and Vigilant Guardian used scenarios involving hijacked passenger planes. 
    - After presiding over the worst air defense failure in US history, the commander of NORAD, head of the Joint Chiefs, and Secretary of Defense were awarded with promotions and budget increases.


    3.  Pentagon Attack Anomalies 
    - The Pentagon was left undefended until after being hit at 9:38. 
    - The Pentagon should be the best-defended building in the world. 
    - The Pentagon was hit more than 80 minutes into the attack. 
    - It is 10 miles from Andrews Air Force Base. 
    - Cheney watched the attack plane approach from 50 miles out. 
    - The attack targeted Wedge 1 of Pentagon's west wing. 
    - Wedge 1 was sparsely occupied nearing completion of renovation. 
    - Wedge 1 was the only one that had blast-hardened walls.
    - The top brass was in the opposite side of the Pentagon. 
    - The alleged suicide pilots lacked the requisite piloting skills. 
    - The attack maneuver required extreme piloting skill. 
    - None of the alleged hijackers had flown jets. 
    - Hani Hanjour, alleged pilot of Flight 77 was a notoriously bad pilot.


    4.  Total Collapse of WTC Building 7 
    - Is the only case of total collapse of large steel-framed high-rise building blamed on fire. 
    - The collapse had all of the features of a controlled demolition impolosion.
    - It fell straight down with precise radial symmetry. 
    - Its rapid fall was within 10 percent of gravitational free-fall speed. 
    - It collapsed into a tidy rubble pile mostly within the block that the building occupied.


    5.  Total Destruction of the Twin Towers 
    - Symmetry and thoroughness of destruction rules out natural processes.
    - Dozens of firefighters described explosions and likened the falls of the Towers to controlled demolitions. 
    - Exhibited main features of controlled demolitions. 
    - The destruction was total, leaving no parts of the Towers intact. 
    - The falls began precipitously after loud explosions were heard. 
    - Energetic jets of gas and dust emerged from the facade. 
    - Destruction of Towers was more thorough than conventional demolitions. 
    - The explosions of Towers were up to 800 feet in diameter.
    - The rubble was shards of metal and dust. 
    - More than 1000 bodies were vaporized. 
    - Extreme temperatures persisted in the rubble or three months.


    6.  Suppression and Destruction of Evidence 
    - The World Trade Center steel was systematically destroyed. 
    - Controlled Demolition Inc.'s plan for recycling steel was submitted 11 days after the attack, and approved. 
    - Most of the steel was shipped to Asia for recycling. 
    - Investigators were barred from the crime scene and saw little of the steel. 
    - None of the contents of the eight black boxes from the hijacked jetliners has been released. 
    - Scores of videos from around Pentagon were confiscated and never released. 
    - The NTSB was not allowed to investigate crashes.


    7.  Overt Omissions in Official Reports 
    - The 9/11 Commission made hundreds of glaring omissions. 
    - The Report makes no mention of Building 7.
    - It called the structural cores of Twin Towers hollow steel shaft[s]. 
    - It did not mention the privitization of the World Trade Center six weeks before the attack. The buildings were also insured by Larry Silverstein for a terror event.
    - NIST avoided the core issue of the 'collapses'. 
    - It did not consider events beyond when the Towers were poised for collapse. 
    - It did not demonstrate that computer models predicted collapse initiation.



     


    Add me to the weary list.
    I think if I see one more post on the conservative board saying how mean we are, I will scream.  I know in the past there have been posts here from Daily Kos and Democratic Underground.  Now they are mean.
    I actually saw that she is on the best dressed list - nm
    x
    fabulous list

    and only if they wear shirts with big red targets on the front.


     


    Please do complete a list
    of Obama's so-called life-time experienced and then list Palin's.  The only thing he has over her is he is in Washington and she is not....which IMHO is refreshing.  Maybe we need someone who hasn't been corrupted by Washington.  I still do not see how you people keep saying Obama has experience....HE DOESN'T!!!!  You can't complain about Palin not having experience if you are for Obama because you are only bashing your own candidate......although you people refuse to see that.  I can't help but chuckle.
    Don't worry. That list will take a while
    nm
    regarding your list sentence

    your body might not be there anymore.


     


    the list was produced

    by conservatives.  You have indicated your acceptance of fisticuff diplomacy in detailing with world issues.  Typical bellicose conservative thinking.  If you can't force em to your viewpoint, punch em or threaten them with the US arm forces.


     


    Can you please list your qualifications that allow you
    to make such statements? Just cuz you spout it - don't make it true
    He was #2 on the recipient list....
    http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html
    Is infanticide on that list?
    nm
    At least your state is not last on the list. LOL (nm)
    x
    That is going to be wayyy at the end of the list...sm
    for either candidate elected. You may like it to be their first, but it is just not so. National security, jobs, the economy, the war in Iraq, education, supporting the injured troops, and many other things will come first. During peace time and times of economic prosperity Roe vs Wade and related subjects might be at the top of the list but, in these times, there are much more urgent matters for us to be considering for our ultimate survival as a country.
    A huge list.....
    of wars in the name of God just came to mind....Hmmmm.
    Right from wrong - your list.
    The list you gave illustrates very nicely the atrocities commited by the Palestinians. Thank you. I couldn't have summed it up better myself.
    Exactly. First thing on his list.
    We are stupid sheep waiting to be slaughtered.
    The list is so long, but just to name a
    inner peace that comes from with the security of the believer, not constantly worrying about separating religion and politics since that is impossible, having to spend all her free time finding FACTS to support her every word instead having a life of joy with true friends and family, and the list goes on........I guess just basically having a life other than transcribing, hating Bush and proclaiming to be an atheist.
    List of countries we have bombed
    Here are the countries we bombed between WWII and 1999:

    China
    Korea
    China
    Guatemala
    Indonesia
    Cuba
    Guatemala
    Vietnam
    Congo
    Laos
    Peru
    Guatemala
    Cambodia
    El Salvador
    Nicaragua
    Grenada
    Libya
    Panama
    Iraq
    Bosnia
    Sudan
    Afghanistan
    Yugoslavia

    Here are some the conservatives forgot to add to his list...sm
    The Shoelace Scandal - Clinton tied his shoe laces to loose and Monica had to tie them for him. Whoaaa!

    The Walking the Dog Scandal -
    Clinton was walking his dog and it exposed it's pee pee to a conservative's poodle. Whoaeee!

    The Toothbrush Scandal -
    Monica brushed her teeth with Clinton's toothbrush. Whoaaa!

    Did I leave anything off!

    Had to joke for a minute!

    While some of the scandals during his presidency were very legitimate, more than a few of them were off the chain crazy during Clinton's time in office. Bush has had it very easy in this department, if you ask me. I think republicans are just better at digging up scandals.
    Then on your list of bottom feeders

    Don't forget Al Franken and Michael Moore just to name a few examples.  Oh, and don't forget liberal internet columnist  Deborah Frisch who told a conservative foe:


    *if someone shot you and your 'tyke' it wouldn't slow me down one iota.' She also wrote that she hopes 'no one Jon-Benets' the child* -- a reference to the brutal murder of a young Colorado girl ten years ago -- and made disturbing sexual remarks about the boy.   *I reiterate: If some nutcase kidnapped your child tomorrow and did to her what was done to…Jon-Benet Ramsey, I wouldn't give a damn.*


    That is bottom feeding in all its glory.  Ann may have a big mouth, but I don't think she's ever threatened to kill someone's kid and/or sexually abuse them.