Agree; OBama's handling of this was excellent.
Posted By: Myna Bird on 2008-09-02
In Reply to: Yes....I was only replying to the part about using her name.... - sam
Now is the news media and political pundits would just leave it alone ...
I actually heard someone a bit ago on TV say "..makes you question her parenting skills if her daughter is pregnant". I just about threw a pillow at the TV!
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Man-handling an old man
This is what it has come to? Bush lapdog Blair takes a tip from American repugs so that even an old man gets abused for being a dissenting voice in this senseless war? How disgraceful is that?! At least they've got egg on their faces because of it and had to apologize.
Stifling Iraq dissent backfires for Labour
Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:51 PM BST
By Katherine Baldwin
BRIGHTON (Reuters) - Tony Blair apologised on Thursday to an 82-year-old man ejected from the annual conference of his Labour Party for heckling over Iraq, catapulting the divisive war back into the headlines.
The heavy-handed removal of Walter Wolfgang on Wednesday backfired for the Labour leadership, with some delegates saying it reflected an internal climate which put too much emphasis on maintaining control and silencing dissent.
You cannot stifle debate by hiring heavies, said Wolfgang, who received a hero's welcome as he returned to conference.
We made a mistake, I believe, in invading Iraq without cause. We've got to rectify it by withdrawing from Iraq. If you try to ignore it, it will not go away, he said.
Wolfgang's expulsion was splashed across the front pages of several national newspapers and dominated the news on the final day of the meeting in Brighton.
This indicates a wider culture of control and intolerance of dissent, said David Clark, a former adviser to the late Robin Cook, one of Labour's most prominent opponents of the war.
But Defence Secretary John Reid, who also apologised to Wolfgang, insisted Labour had a culture of being able to debate controversial subjects such as Iraq without questioning other people's integrity or sincerity.
Anger over the decision to back the 2003 U.S.-led invasion split Labour and Britain and continues to dog Blair.
Analysts say the prime minister's fate is inextricably linked to events in Iraq, where British troops came under heavy attack this month and elections are set for December.
Blair won a third straight term in May but opposition to the war contributed to a slide in Labour's parliamentary majority.
The prime minister has said he will not run in an expected 2009 election but he seems keen to stay for several years before he is expected to hand over to Chancellor Gordon Brown.
Burly stewards grabbed Wolfgang and bundled him out of the conference on Wednesday after he interrupted Foreign Secretary Jack Straw as he said British troops were in Iraq to help build a secure and stable country and would stay as long as needed.
That's a lie and you know it ... Rubbish, shouted Wolfgang, a refugee from Nazi Germany and a party member for 57 years.
Wolfgang was briefly arrested using anti-terrorism powers.
People are perfectly entitled to freedom of speech in our country ... and I'm really sorry about what happened to Walter and I've apologised to him, Blair told the BBC.
That's excellent- I agree with poster below
you should write an article.
The only info from my DH's grandparents were that his grandather said his family couldn't afford shoes and his feet were always cold, and my his grandmother said she was always hungry.
I did buy a cookbook of the great depression era and there are a lot of stories/recipes from people of that time.
Shame on you. I think he is handling this exactly right. nm
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I agree excellent post! One that has to make one think.
I own Mississippi Burning. Good movie.
Excellent post and very well said. I couldn't agree with you more. nm
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Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly...m,
I agree. Mr. Obama is also, and the...
Jeremiah Wright thing brought that into light but...if you read these posts, it IS scary. I am reminded of the Pied Piper....while I am not 100% on John McCain, cannot vote for a man whose morality is the polar opposite of my own and I feel, personally, mmoves us even further down the path of destruction. When the moral fiber of a country goes south...you figure it out. This has become a country who views killing the unborn is nothing more than a medical procedure to the tune of millions every year, an "oops" method of birth control, and many of these people are wanting to install a President who believes it is ok to put a baby who survives an abortion (it happens) in a closet alone to die, and is still able to sleep at night. Never in my lifetime would I vote for a man or woman of ANY party who would vote in favor of that. Just my two cents. And yes, he did, while he was Illinois state senator. Beware of the wolf in sheep's clothing.
The center of this man's popularity is old as time itself. Class warfare..."I am going to punish all those nasty rich people (one of whom he is by the way) and give it all back to you poor oppressed bless your hearts, going to get you off welfare and get you a job (what a joke, half of the Democratic base would be gone), going to give you all free health care (even if the quality of said care tanks) and playing to that petty human emotion of "why should I have to work so hard when they have so much money" syndrome. Sigh. Who do they think employ most of the people in the United States? Those nasty rich people. Who do they think pays 75% of the taxes that are paid in this country already? Those nasty rich people. Why do they think those nasty rich people offshore? Because the Democratic tax and spend folks have been taxing them to DEATH in their own country for years. Here's a news flash for them! Have all the nasty rich DEMOCRATS pay more taxes. There is no law that says you can't. Let them put their money where their mouth is. If these people think only rich Republicans offshore or take every tax loophole the law allows...well, I won't even go THERE. Just wish folks would realize they are being led down the garden path. Can't see past the words and see the man. Can't put all the stuff together that has come out about the man, his behavior over several years and see him for what he is. They actually buy the story that he went to Wright's church for 20 years and never heard one of those sermons. Oh, COME ON. You cannot tell me he has lived with Michelle lo these many years when they do not share the same views on race and politics. Oh, COME ON. These "Obamaites" are being hijacked and led down the garden path by, I will admit, the best snake oil salesman I have seen in years...which is bad enough...but they are THRILLED to be led. LOL..sigh. I am reminded of the man who whistled on the way to the gallows...
i agree with that ... just not obama
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I agree Obama is a breath
of fresh air and I love that he inspires people. However, I would encourage all Democrats, Independents, et al, to consider Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico. On the Democratic side, he has by far the best resume. He is a superior negotiator, served as head of the Department of Energy, sat at the UN, was an ambassador. Here is a link to his web site. It is quite lengthy, but you can scan over it and just look at the positions he has held and the things he has done.
http://www.governor.state.nm.us/governor.php
I agree with M Obama - here is my post
This is the message I said I would post here.
In reply to the Clinton’s had nothing to do with the last 8 years. This is absolutely correct, but the Clinton administration was just as bad before that. The Clinton years were the worst of my adult life (and my friends and family who are staunch democrats). So we’ve actually had 16 years of garbage for Presidents (20 if you consider Bush Sr.). Government grew and paychecks shrunk. Promises broken, tax increases (with the Clinton administration). The Clintons did nothing for the middle income people. Their “1% wealthiest” friends continued to receive more benefits. Our families friends were losing their houses and had to go back to living with their parents as they could no longer afford to live anymore. I think a lot of people forget the following:
Somalia – another unnecessary war
Kosovo – another unnecessary war
Elian Gonzales
Receiving money funded from china (treasonous tradeoffs I think it was called) for his re-election
Bill & Hillary stating they never heard of people (criminals who gave them money) when indeed they have pictures.
Hillary’s financial and other records sealed so nobody would find out the stuff she did (why?)
Monica Lewinski
Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Wiley, Juanitta Broderick, etc, etc,
Vince Foster (untimely passing)
Ron Brown (untimely passing)
Hillary pulls Bill off of D. Morris as Bill is getting ready to punch him in the face yelling at him “Bill, think about what your doing”. Then walked around telling D. not to say anything to anyone.
Numerous times secret service had to pull Hillary of Bill
Hillary’s foul language
Hillary’s “female” relationships
Bill’s “female” relationships
Lying under oath
Impeached
Decimating our military within two weeks of being elected
Whitewater
Ban lifted on gays in the military
They destroyed and stole white house furniture and artifacts on their way out. Urinated on carpets, walls, etc. It was a real mess to clean up.
And those are only a few of the highlights of the Clinton administration. She wants to take credit for anything good that happened, then she better take credit for the bad too. Especially when she was running the show while Billy was off with his girlfriends.
They are both a couple of criminals and should have gone to jail for half the stuff they did. So while the last eight years have been bad, the previous eight were just as bad. - And all my MIL can say to me is.... "oh but he's so good looking".
kind of have to agree with Obama on the
I'm sure the preacher is controversial. But for a person to maintain membership in a church for two decades, he or she cannot be supporting controversy all that time. The man seems to address past racially charged issues, some of which did go to the fact that Gosh did indeed darn America from a black perspective. It all depends upon one's point of view.
I do agree that Obama needs to speak more strongly in opposition to some of the more inflammable rhetoric Wright has used.
And Obama's closing words are good, too. Judge him and his views; not someone else's.
I think ABC is politicizing something.
Totally agree with you about Obama...sm
You wrote:
>> Saying he can't make speeches without a teleprompter or planned statement is just not true. He has spoken at several events without a teleprompter or prepared speeches and he can think on his feet just fine. I didn't hear him stumble over questions given by audience members or media.>>
I've seen Obama many times in interviews (on Nightline, for example, long before he was even the presumptive Dem. nominee) and he answers questions thoughtfully and intelligently. It's funny to me that anyone would criticize his speaking ability of all things.
Well, if Obama WOULD agree with your posts...
yet another huge reason not to vote for him. But I do not think for 1 minute he would. I cannot imagine this sort of ... tripe ... issuing from Barack Obama's mouth. If it did, he would be maligning a good portion of his base. But even that said...I don't believe he would. I believe he is a basically decent man...and basic decency should preclude anyone from posting this ... well to call it crap elevates it.
I agree, but congress will never let Obama
do everything he wants to do anyway. They never do for any president. When they do agree on something, congress will always have something in it for them or their interests and the middle class pays out nose for it.
Okay....what things do you agree with Obama that...
trump all the things I mentioned? Just trying to understand.
Yes Obama is.........I agree completely.....
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Then we agree that Obama and Rev Wright are
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I did not vote for Obama, nor do I agree...sm
with most of the issues he stands for, but this is just plain CRAZY!
Agree. Obama needs to be more worried about our
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I agree - I'm a democrat too, but not voting for Obama nm
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I supported Obama at first too. Now I'd have to agree with Savage 100%.
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and you agree with ever single thing Obama says
Knock yourself out--but I prefer to think for myself. I only pick the candidate I think is best--not perfect
I saw that Rahm said he does not agree with Obama on some subjects - but
he said that Obama will be the president and he will not be pushing his own ideas as they are so completely opposite on some things.
I agree, too. Unfortunately, Robin Hood Obama
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I agree. Wish Obama would go join Hollywood
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I agree! Obama was never a practicing Muslim
and I think also not 'an every-day-to-church-running Christian'.
Moderation is the key.
I agree with Obama's decision to not show them. (sm)
It would embolden our enemies and help to recruit more terrorists. I thought Obama, once again, listened to both sides and then made his decision. If only Bush could have done that, instead of only hiring aides that would reflect HIS views and discarding those who didn't, including some of those "generals on the ground" that Bush claimed to honor.
I don't understand the posts below about Obama showing the photos. Last I heard, the complete opposite was true. Did something change, or are these comments just another attempt to completely ignore the truth in order to continue their assault on Obama, regardless of whether it's true or not?
Don't agree. I hope Obama gets to go back to the senate...
and see her there as VP... :)
Agree to disagree. I don't think we deserve Barack Obama...
and with his same stances on things, I wouldn't vote for him, I don't care what party he represented. It is not about party for me. It is about the stand of the man. And for me it is nobama, no way, no how...no matter what ticket he is running on.
Gourdpainter, I agree with you. So do most people since Obama is ahead of McCain.
McCain doesn't have any solutions except trying to get Palin to tear down Obama with her big mouth.
I agree, and am not an Obama supporter. Just tired of all the racial conflict sm
tired of everything being all about race. If they were both black candidates, then people could all just vote their conscience without even thinking about race.
I won't flame you! I totally agree. Obama as president only weakens
this country and makes us ripe for the end. He does not support Israel. Keep your eyes on Israel. I look for them to bomb Iran before Bush's term is up because they know Obama will not suport them.
Agree! Obama is too busy screwing us to worry bout
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Excellent! Thank you.
Excellent!
'Blind faith in your leaders, or in anything, will get you killed.' Bruce Springsteen.
Excellent.
A lot of people do say if she was a man the media would never go after her and she wouldn't be attacked like she has been. I liked the post. Thanks.
Excellent.
If O wins and a few months goes by, I will be proud to say I am the one who voted for McCain. This is not a normal election, this is like a radical movement going on.
EXCELLENT.
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Just the big bad.....also excellent.
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Excellent
I saw this back during the election. It brought tears to my eyes back then and still does. This soldier is so very right with everything he has to say. I think it's just a very sad time for our country right now. Gone are the days of many people feeling patriotic and doing what is necessary to keep our country free. I mourn for the country we once had and am very guarded about what is to come for us.
I served in the US Army to protect our country. I was a very proud American and served to protect our country from enemies.
"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."
Back then we all thought it would only be foreign enemies. Who knew back then that in the future (now) it is domestic enemies.
Way to go! Excellent!!!!!!
I was actually going to post and say I do believe he actually goes to the bathroom the same way all of us do (well the men at least). So, hey, he must really be like one of us. I am truly amazed at the way some people think. I find American Idol tryouts to be more entertaining.
The last I knew Barack Obama was a human being. A man just like every other man on the planet. Sleeps, drinks, eats, and poops the same way. The people treating him like a God is getting way out of hand.
The simple matter they all fail to forget is just cos he eats a dog and fries does not make him like us. This is a man who was pushed into power faster than any of us could turn around. This man sends his kids to camp that costs $10,000 a week. This is a man who lives in mansion and has no idea what it is we (the plebes of society) are going through. He will never have to worry about putting food on his table, paying his electric bill. He is in a life of luxury and every once in awhile he will do a photo shoot so that people will say "wow, look at that, he ate a dog and fry - gosh he must be in tune with us". Here's some news...Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, John McCain, George Bush, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, John Edwards....they all do these photo ops too (remember Hillary guzzling down the beer with the workers). They all do it.
People need to stick with issues. Not this phony photo op thing. All presidents to it. As for him holding a baby. He was on TV and I saw someone hand him a baby and he didn't look all that happy or comfortable about it.
Barack Obama will never be "like us". Just like Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Mit Romney, etc. These people are and never will be "like us".
LOL - That was excellent! Thanks
I love Jon Stewart. I like that Obama has a great sense of humor. Its the obots that give him a bad name.
I thought it was funny that on the podium under Baracks name his title is "Almost President" ha ha
Thanks for sharing! I love a good laugh no matter who it is about.
EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!
Okay - I'll tell you right now I haven't watched the whole thing, actually I haven't watched any of it :-)BUT..... with that said my DH has watched it many times. He keeps telling me to watch it and it's one saved in my favorites for "one of those moments when I'll have time to do something other than work". He's told me all about it and we've had this discussion so many many times.
I'll tell you what I feel..... What happened to JFK is just a grain of sand compared to what has been done with this whole thing. I loved the part where GW tells the kids he was watching TV when he saw the first plane hit (nobody saw it cos it wasn't on tape). I also loved the reporter (not sure if that is on this loose change video) but loved the reporter who was talking about Building 9 (I think it was called bldg 9) that had just collapsed and sitting there behind her was bldg 9 still standing. A short while later it collapsed.
Not many people I can talk to about this because they'll claim me a "whacko" and ridicule me and tell me I've got all these conspiracy theories and treat me like I'm that character that Mel Gibson played in the movie "Conspiracy Theory". :-) But this is just so much to think about. It's horrible and I am shocked that in my lifetime I have lived to see something like this. It does make you think - that's for sure.
Excellent - you said it better than I could
I'm not very good at expressing myself, but you said exactly what I feel. If I want to give charity I will give it of my own free will.
We do not need redistribution of wealth and socialism. If you think redistribution of wealth and socialism is the way to go, then move to Cuba or Russia because you are not a patriot of the United States of America and everything our founding fathers fought for.
Excellent - thanks
Especially your last paragraph.
Thank you for this excellent example of
Not one mention of the 1948 or 1967 wars that were launched against Israel. Not a word about Arafat, Hamas, rockets, suicide bombers, etc. Not a word about the countless ceasefires broken by the Palestinians.
This is nothing but a complete distortion of the truth about this region.
EXCELLENT point! nm
Excellent post. Thank you. NM
Excellent post!
Thanks.
This is an excellent article.
This guy has his finger on the pulse of the majority of Americans.
Thanks for posting it.
Excellent post!
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