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Agree to disagree. I don't think we deserve Barack Obama...

Posted By: sam on 2008-10-09
In Reply to: oh, I think we all got what we deserved - hang on a minute

and with his same stances on things, I wouldn't vote for him, I don't care what party he represented. It is not about party for me. It is about the stand of the man. And for me it is nobama, no way, no how...no matter what ticket he is running on.


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I agree. Trolls dont even deserve a response.
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Right, Obama does not deserve to be a candidate
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And I still disagree. We shall agree to disagree. But....
welome to the board! A new voice is welcome, whichever side the voice decides to fall. :)
We will have 2 agree 2 disagree on this one.
I think he knew exactly what he was doing just like Sheehan knew when she wore that shirt 2 to the White House. I say, have the power of your convinctions and be a stand up person. I don't have a problem with making a statement, just obey the rules. 
Again we agree to disagree...
I do not believe there is any valid motive to show the footage, blacked out or not. I think it is tasteless. I believe I know how snipers operate without having CNN air a wonderful propaganda film for jihadists...see, this is how we kill Americans, thank you so much CNN. I am sure there were high 5's in Al Qaeda camps all over the world. They get most of their information from CNN. CNN is their friend. If you don't believe that, look at some of the early footage and how CNN could get in places where no one else could and the big exec knew Uday Hussein on a first-name basis. The same CNN who knew for years exactly what Hussein was doing to his own people, but I didn't see THAT running on the 6:00 news. They stood idly by, on the pretense of keeping their reporters safe, and let the mass murder, rape rooms and various other human rights violations just keep right on keepin on. Instead of pulling their people out and telling us the truth, like you are saying they want to do now. Pardon me if I think, no matter what the faults of Fox, do not even come close to that. That alone shows while Fox may not be perfect, they certainly have higher values than CNN. As to sponsors of the programming about OJ, find out, and write to them. If you believe strongly what Fox is doing is wrong (I have already voiced my displeasure and have encouraged friends to do so), I encourage you to find out who the sponsors are, or at the very least, bombard Fox with emails. It is your right and you should exercise it. I certainly did with what CNN did, and I did bombard them with emails, not that they give a hoot what a conservative thinks, but I did it anyway. If enough people complain, it could have an effect.
Again we agree to disagree...
I do not think the Democrats are that much different today than they were during Civil War days, during the 60s, or today. In my opinion, Democrats still seek, as I said, to keep people enslaved by tying them to the government for survival instead of instead developing programs to make people productive citizens. So we will agree to disagree on that.

Johnson may have signed the bill, but go to the Congressional Archives and look at the votes. Democrats fought it tooth and nail. Had Republicans not voted it in, it would not have been there for him to sign. I would not say he carried anything into fruition, other than signing the bill.

Teddy said the same thing, that the parties are not what they once were. But the basic fiber is the same...one conservative...Lincoln...slaveowners and pro-slave...Democrats. In the 60s...Republicans for...Democrats against. Same way with the womens' vote. Most of the women who took to the streets to get women the vote ....were NOT Democrats. They were Republicans. It is there for anyone to look up. It is just that you could not convince half the country today that any of those milestones were brought about by Republicans...and they were. Are you saying that since the 60s the Democrats have suddenly transformed into the warm and fuzzy party of the people? Yep, that is their message...but in my view a lie. They used to be open about what they were about...now it is hidden. But to me, the agenda is the same. Again we agree to disagree.
Okay, agree to disagree and all that...
how about the question...is war ever justified? You never have weighed in on that one though I have asked numerous times.

As I stated, you did the graphic description of maimed and mangled war dead. I simply added that babies sliced and diced amount to the same thing. And it is way past the embryonic sac stage when it is aborted and I believe anyone who has looked at the stages of a baby's growth in utero knows that.

You don't have to keep justifying what you believe to me. It really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Just like I won't change your mind, you won't change mine.

Again...agree to disagree. I am sure, if the child were able to choose, it would not choose to be sliced and diced and left alone to mature and be born and live like it was supposed to had someone not "chosen" to end its chance to do that. But, you want to give that choice to someone else. I don't think that is right. Any more than it would be my right to kill someone who was inconvenient, annoyed me, or was too much trouble.

Why do you not support a woman's right to choose to kill the baby if the baby is too much to handle when it is a day old? Two days old? A week? A month? It certainly cannot live on its own without a lot of care for a whole lot longer than that. Somehow taking one breath makes all the difference. Yep. Uh huh. Whatever.

Human embryo, plants, animals?? Now I've heard it all.






Then we will agree to disagree....
if you have to kill it to keep it from being born....my friend, it is viable. You started as an "embryonic sac." Without intervention...here you are. Tim Tebow who just won the Heisman trophy...had his mother decided to dispose of him when he was an "embyronic sac" (she chose not to) that young man would exist today. There are consequences of every action. Every abortion prevents a life from continuing to maturity and being born. There is really no other way to look at that, that I can see. And to me, that is the most precious, most innocent of all human life. And I feel that someone should speak for them. You do not have to, you do not consider them "alive" until...well, I don't know when you consider them "alive." There are plenty in the world to speak against war, and rightly they should if that is what they believe. I just don't understand why someone would be so strenuously against someone speaking for the child. Because to me, from the time of conception it grows. If it grows, it is alive. That is simple biology.

So we will agree to disagree. Or just disagree.
No harm, no foul. Each of us entitled to their opinion on the matter. That is what makes America great.
Agree or disagree

If somehow the American people can put aside bias and have an open-minded discussion, then and only then will real change happen.  I respect your opinion and I read what you and others say with an open mind.  My problem is that neither the Democrats or Republicans have come up with anything I can support.


As for Palin, yeah, I relate to her "soccer mom" status.  I was a football and cheerleader mom.  My kids being only 2 years apart,  there were times when my husband would go to one event and I would go to another so they all had a parent present.  As a mom, I balanced family and a full-time job.  There is NO WAY I could have balanced my family and the second most important job in the country.  Maybe she is a superperson but I was not, although my kids will tell you I was "supermom."  As for me, my job suffered before my family.  Which would she chose to come in 2nd place?  Think about it.


So we can agree to disagree

I fail to see her accomplisments but then that's just me and I doubt I'm alone.


I certainly think a redistribution of wealth would not be a bad thing, unless, of course, you're among the richest families in America and I certainly am not. .  In the last 8 years the rich have gotten richer while the poor got poorer.  Do your research.  The Bush tax cuts are what made the rich richer, along with sending good jobs out of the country and allowing illegal aliens to come in and further depress wages.  One of the causes of economic depression is when too much money is in the hands of too few people and that's just about where we are now.  Palin aside, if McCain is elected I would bet my last dollar that we'll have a repeat of the Great Depression of the 30s. I wouldn't put any money on what will happen if Obama is elected but I expect the economic situation won't be any better.  With Bush's popularity being so low, I can't imagine why anyone would want to elect his cronie to follow him but then people have different opinions and that's what makes horse races (or political races) I guess. 


agree to disagree
sam, you have to just let it go. We will never change the minds of people so hard hearted.  Anyone who votes for someone who will allow or encourage such laws will have the blood of innocent lives on their hands. 
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I agree and disagree.....
You're right, most of the people on this board have no problem with abortion BUT abortions can be stopped; we do it all the time in my town. We have an organization that DOES NOT promote abortions but helps pregnant women with their pregnancy so they don't feel the need to abort their child in the first place. We give counseling, free medical care, free delivery by doctors here in this town, clothing for the mother, clothing for the newborn with supplies and necessities to keep her knowing she is loved and cared for; which is why so many end up with abortions; they feel no one cares and they feel scared and worried. We try to help take those worries from them and let them know they are not alone and there will be people to help them through their pregnancy and AFTER the baby is born as well.

So, yes, you can stop abortions. Very few of the girls/women who come in want an abortion; they just feel it's the only answer because of their present situations. We NEVER help with abortions in any way. If they decide they will have an abortion, they are on their own there but we do offer ongoing counseling for them.
I agree - and disagree. (sm)
This government has gone stark raving mad. The spending is insane. The villagers-with-torches mentality regarding the AIG bonuses is insane. The agenda Obama is pushing is insane.

Where I disaagree is that the country is a "laughing stock" (except, of course, the horse laughs that Obama got from Putin with his offer to dismantle the missile shield, and from Iran with his "speech to the people").

No, the world isn't laughing at the U.S. at all. In fact, the world is becoming concerned about the chaos in Washington, the insane spending (the Fed just created $1 trillion "out of thin air", as one writer put it, but it won't come from thin air - it will come from you, me, our children, and our grandchildren), and the likelihood that Washington will be the spark for worldwide superinflation.

Here's a very thoughtful piece that comes from Canada, for instance - and I could list other sources as well. Read it and weep: http://tinyurl.com/cs5qro

Then see my post above, "Find a Tax-Day Tea Party Near You", and DO IT. I've never participated in any sort of public demonstration of any kind (except on the police lines, of course) - but the time has come. We can speak now or forever hold our peace. As you say, God help us all!
We can agree to disagree

If you watch the old B/W movies, most all of the actors were smoking.  Tobacco has been around a long time.  My great-great-grandmother I'm told smoked a pipe.  Danged if it didn't kill her at the age of 80 something.  My grandmother dipped snuff, lived to be 86.  My dad smoked like a freight train and died at 69 unrelated to tobacco.  It's the personal freedom that concerns me.  Tax won't make me quit and neither will government regulation.  Used to be smokers and nonsmokers got along just fine and dandy in the same room, that only changed when the special interest goups decided they didn't want anyone smoking. 


As for the junk that's stuck in our food, you're on to something but I don't expect the government to do anything about that until enough of the special interest groups (i.e. the antismoker group) raises enough ruckus.  Not to mention the air we breathe.  I'm allergic to car exhaust fumes as well as jet fumes.  You don't hear anything about that.  Okay, I'd be happy to go back to horse and buggies myself but I have the time, realize not everyone has that luxury, so I take my Benadryl and suffer.  IMHO there are lots of things to worry about other than whether people smoke or wear seat belts.  I don't wear those things either and they can ticket me all they want, I still won't do it.


barack obama
why would you want someone who refuses to say the pledge of allegience or even put his hand over his heart during the pledge to be the president of the US?
Barack Obama all the way.

Barack Obama has a lot going for him..s/m
When I see and listen to him I get a very hopeful feeling about the future. He's an extremely intelligent fellow, and has that youthful exuberance about him. The negative that I see right now is that his visions/goals seem a little too lofty, and he needs to be a little more specific as to what he would do exactly about this or that, and I think that he will as time goes on.  It's rather difficult not to get good feelings about him. He's smart, young, exuberant, and let's face it, the future of this country lies in the hands of the young people.
God and Barack Obama

Dr. Paul Kengor - Guest Columnist - 10/28/2008 7:45:00 AM


Let me begin with what I hope is a credibility enhancer: For daring to write a book on the faith of Hillary Clinton, I was questioned by fellow conservatives, especially for calling Mrs. Clinton a "lifelong, committed Christian." In the final chapter of that book, I included a brief section on the faith of Barack Obama, where, taking him at his word—based on a major June 2006 speech on his faith—I felt confident in reporting, "Obama is a Christian."


I'm not disputing that here. Since then, however, I've taken a careful look at Obama's faith, and there are quite a few things that stand out as historically extremely unusual, and in some cases unprecedented for a potential president. They are worth knowing, especially given the secular media's adoration of the man.


Indeed, journalists are so worshipful of Obama that they are unfazed by his two decades of membership in the church of a ranting, blasphemous preacher who mocked everything from Bill Clinton to America itself—and who married Obama, baptized his children, and whom Obama considers a mentor and the inspiration for the title of his best-selling book. That double standard has struck even the likes of atheist Christopher Hitchens. After eight years of wailing and gnashing of teeth over a Christian Republican president, secular liberals have undergone a Saul-like conversion.


On rare occasions, however, the press has offered constructive analysis of Obama's faith. The most revealing look remains a glowing profile in Newsweek a couple of months ago. The Newsweek offering was remarkably one-sided, even venturing into evangelical phraseology, the shared-language-of-believers style characteristic of Religious Right publications. I counted ten examples of phrases like, "He found Christ," "accept Christ," "Obama went to Jesus."


Nonetheless, even in this unusually un-critical article, much can be mined about Obama's faith. Most salient is this inescapable conclusion: More than any presidential nominee this close to the White House, Barack Obama's faith is a patchwork of divergent beliefs, philosophies, and influences, from what Newsweek called a "Christian-turned-secular mother"—her own views a product of "two lapsed Christian" parents and a Bill Moyers book—to a "Muslim-turned-atheist African father" to a stepfather with a "unique brand of Islam."


As for Obama's personal path, Newsweek noted how Obama, in his younger years, enjoyed, on one hand, Augustine, and then Nietzsche and Graham Greene. Obama hopped and groped his way through Islam, Buddhism, Catholicism, Protestantism, asceticism, and eventually settled at the political church of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.


Most interesting is what Newsweek revealed about Obama and his current family: His wife, Michelle, "also didn't go to church regularly as a child." Neither really began regular attendance until they were married. And only then, their choice was Reverend Wright. On that, Newsweek reported approvingly: "The cross under which Obama went to Jesus was at the controversial Trinity United Church of Christ. It was a good fit."


The couple, writes Newsweek, attended "fairly often—two or three times a month." That changed, becoming less frequent, with the birth of their first child. Normally, the arrival of children is the blessed event that drags young couples to church—the Bushes, the Clintons. For the Obamas, however, the hassle of getting the baby out of the house for a packed service was an obstacle. "So," explained Barack, "that would cut back our involvement."


The Obama girls have never attended Sunday school—a definite contrast with most White House children. Even wayward president's kids like Ron Reagan, a proud atheist, was taken to church every Sunday. Obama explains of his daughters' religious education: "I'm a big believer in a faith that is not imposed but taps into what's already there, their curiosity of spirit."


Once Obama ran for the U.S. Senate, he skipped church for months at a time. Now that he publicly parted ways with Reverend Wright, reports Newsweek with a gentle wink, "Obama is a little spiritually rootless again." Newsweek neglected to mention that Obama often appeared in churches in 2007 for strictly political purposes—i.e., to campaign in houses of worship, a practice that launches liberals into fits of screaming rage when done by Republicans.


On the plus side, there are some discernible spiritual practices in Obama's life: family grace at mealtime, daily prayer, Obama "sometimes" reading the Bible in evenings, and inspirational emails zapped to the senator by his "religious outreach team." Yet, even with that nod to something of a religious routine, one senses that Obama is still trying to reconcile, as Newsweek described his early life, "his rational side with his yearning for transcendence."


After demonstrating at length that Obama's belief system is an amalgam, unorthodox, and undisciplined, Newsweek wrapped up with a shot at his detractors: "Some on the right say his particular brand of Christianity is a modern amalgam—unorthodox, undisciplined...."


No, Newsweek, that's what you say.


One can see here another reason the secular left embraces Obama: His entire religious life, including the spiritual development of his family, is relativistic—an ever-probing quest, a realization of no single truth. The left likes this Democrat more than, say, a lifelong Baptist like Bill Clinton, a lifelong Roman Catholic like John Kerry, a lifelong Methodist like Hillary Clinton, a "born-again" southerner like Jimmy Carter. Here's a believer secular liberals can accept: a relativist in the most expansive form.


A President Obama would bring to the office the most unconventional religious portfolio of any president in a long time, arguably the history of the American presidency.


But to get there, the freshman senator hopes to win just enough of those moral-religious "values voters" who twice made the difference for George W. Bush. Can Barack Obama do that?


Can Obama win the 'values voter'?
In 2000 and 2004, it was the churchgoing moral-religious "values voters" that made the difference for George W. Bush. Barack Obama hopes to peel off just enough of those voters. What are his chances? From my vantage, Obama faces five primary obstacles:


First, Reverend Jeremiah Wright remains an albatross, even given the media's best efforts to avoid him. The ranting, raving, blaspheming political sermons by an uncorked, unhinged Wright—with the congregation loving every minute—remains a cruise missile at Obama's bid for moderate to conservative churchgoers. Obama was way too close to Wright to politically extricate himself.


Second—brace yourselves, liberals—a sizable number of Americans suspect Obama is lying about Islamic roots. A Newsweek poll in June found that 12 percent of voters are convinced Obama is a Muslim, and one-in-four believe he was raised a Muslim. Such thinking has intensified with Jerome Corsi's bestselling book and with research by Islam observers like Daniel Pipes—who, though he accepts that Obama is today a Christian, says Obama is "lying" when he denies he was never a Muslim. Additional oddities continue to surface, such as a YouTube video in which Moammar Kaddafi is said to describe Obama as a fellow Muslim.


When I recently shared this factor with some liberals, their faces visibly contorted and they began yelling at me. Nonetheless, perceptions matter. This issue might become statistically important in a close election.


Third, conservative Christians are offended by how the secular left has greeted Obama as a messianic figure. The hosannas during Obama's Europe trip were so over-the-top that London Times columnist Gerard Baker ridiculed the senator's visit as akin to Christ's entrance into Jerusalem. The BBC interviewed a worshipful German who described Obama as his "redeemer." Fox found another who exalted his "new messiah." To the question, "Who do you say that I am?" some Europeans made their choice as Obama swept into their presence.


Given the agnostic left's search for salvation in politics, this is not a surprise, especially in post-modern, de-Christianized Europe.


This has only gotten worse. No less than a U.S. congressman, Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN), said on the House floor on September 10 that, "Barack Obama was a 'community organizer' like Jesus." (He then added, in reference to Governor Sarah Palin, that "Pontius Pilate was a governor.") And now there's YouTube video of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan calling Obama "the Messiah."


This is backfiring on Obama among the values voters he is seeking. To them, this reverence by the secular left is intolerably hypocritical. Liberals went bonkers when a presidential candidate named George W. Bush merely cited Christ as his favorite philosopher. And now they can compare Obama to Christ?


Fourth, "values voters" are skeptical of this appeal to faith by the Democratic nominee. There has been a well-orchestrated, openly admitted campaign, begun just days after the 2004 vote, especially by Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid, to get Democrats talking faith as much as possible. Actual Democratic Party working groups and colloquia have been established, employing the Christian left's language of "social justice."


Obama himself picked this up early on. In a June 2006 address to the Call to Renewal convention, Obama appealed to religious voters. He recalled how in his 2004 Senate race, his support of abortion rankled his opponent. Obama protested, arguing there were policy issues that proved his Christianity—issues like supporting daycare subsidies and the estate tax.


Obama can protest all he wants, but values voters consider legislation mandating medical care for abortion survivors more important than legislation mandating estate taxes for the wealthy.


Speaking of which, and fifth, abortion is beyond doubt the overwhelming obstacle for Obama. He is the most extremist pro-choicer ever to get this close to the presidency. His stand-alone votes against bills protecting newborn babies who survive abortions were horrible. He calls abortion a "safety net" and vowed to Planned Parenthood in July 2007 that the "first thing" he would do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which would nationalize abortion policy and overturn all the perfectly reasonable state-level restrictions on abortion by bipartisan legislatures throughout America. Then there are Obama's revealing statements on the stump—such as how he would hate to see his daughters get pregnant out-of-wedlock and "punished with a baby."


Secular liberals cannot begin to imagine the opposition to Obama strictly on abortion. I've received an email several times, titled, "10 Reasons Christians Shouldn't Vote for Obama." Among the ten, seven are on abortion.


The unprecedented outcry from the religious community is further evidence. The reaction of the Catholic bishops is extraordinary. I've never witnessed them so exercised and committed to leading the flock, and doing so carefully and eloquently, especially among traditional Catholics who still think their party is run by Harry Truman and Jack Kennedy, and literally don't even know Obama is pro-choice.


A poll last week by Investor's Business Daily showed a swing of 20 points for John McCain among Catholics, from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead. If McCain wins Catholics, he wins the election.


It all adds up to the reality that Barack Obama will have difficulty picking up values voters. His hope that they are not energized by McCain has dissipated with the Sarah Palin pick and the steady emergence of information on his abortion fanaticism.


A summer Pew poll showed McCain leading Obama among evangelicals by 61 to 25 percent, comparable to the margin enjoyed by Bush over AL Gore in 2000. More recently, the respected scholar Dr. John Green released a study finding that evangelicals favor McCain 57.2 percent to 19.9 percent, very similar to Bush's 60.4 percent to 19.6 percent over John Kerry at the same point in 2004.


It remains to be seen where, exactly, this will finish next Tuesday. As in 2000 and 2004, however, the values voters could make the difference.


How do you do, I’m Barack Obama

and I am very pleased to meet you.


 


Oh, and this is my spouse, America.  Please pay her no mind, she is a complete embarrassment to me.  Ours was an arranged marriage – a family thing – and now I’m stuck with her.


 


Although I am sure you have already been offended by them, let me enumerate some of her many faults:


1.  She is fluent in only one language.  Sure, me too, but the point is that I could learn a second language if I wanted to.  I have just been too busy organizing communities and running for public office.  On the other hand, what else does she have to do with her time?


2.  America eats too much.


3.  America keeps her room too warm.  I, however, am from Hawaii and like my office hot enough to grow orchids.  Besides, I look great in shirt sleeves.


4.  America drives her car too much, and it’s the wrong kind of car. 


5.  I want her to take the bus, but she refuses.  Me?  No, I’ve been too involved in my work to take time to do that.  Also I have people to drive me around. 


6.  America buys the wrong type of light bulbs.  Her TV is too big.


7.  Have you seen her wardrobe?  What am I saying?  Don’t look!


8.  I hate her friends and relatives.  I’d much rather hang out with you guys.


9.  Her interests do not interest me.  They’re low-class and boring. 


10.  Her friends all mostly have jobs and work pretty hard.  Many of them hold jobs I consider menial and yet object when those jobs are sent overseas.  What’s up with that? They don’t seem impressed by me.  She has a couple of disabled friends who can’t work and she voluntarily supports them.   I prefer to be admired by incompetent people I can ‘help’ but she and her friends won't give me money for these folks.  We’ll see about that.  Since when did selfishness become a virtue?


11.  America has this weird idea that if our bank account is low, we should stop spending money.  What’s up with that? 


12.  America would do just about anything to help her friends, both here and overseas. She will stand up for them and she will voluntarily send them her own money.  Voluntarily?  If everybody had the right to decide that would be chaos!  Somebody needs to be in charge.  (Since I don’t much like my wife or her family and friends, no skin off my nose if they have a problem.  Let them work it out on their own.)


 


So anyhow,  I do apologize for bringing America to the party.  Did I mention that it was an arranged marriage?  The best I can do at this point is try to give her the benefit of my superior intellect, my deeper understanding of geopolitics, economics and the environment, my fabulous taste in clothing and just hope that I can make her less uncomfortable for all of you people to be around.  Until I get her shaped up, please pay her no mind and accept my apologies..... 


 


Nice place you’ve got here!


 


disagree or agree, americans right

AG can post here anytime.  Who are you to say she cant?  Are you afraid of a debate?  Maybe you will be proved wrong or will it put a seed in your brain to investigate?  That is all I ask.  Let conservatives post here, please do..and put a seed out there so we can investigate and maybe we can all come to a consensus that we are Americans first and foremost..How can we stop distrust around the world if we as Americans cannot stop it between us?  Sure many conservative posts get my blood boiling but so what.  I read them, get boiled and then laugh and either post a disagreement or an agreement. 


Sorry, but I'll just have to agree to disagree with you...sm
I'm entitled to my own opinion and feelings and I'm NOT looking to make an issue out of a nonissue. I'm not the only one in America who thinks this is *glaringly* wrong, or else we wouldn't be having this conversation, so you can lay off of chastising me.

I'm smart enough to know that people will think and believe differently and while you can praise these remarks because you *know* everyone is just taking this out of context I don't think so. I think people slip the lip, and especially with his tone, and say what they mean every once and a while. I think Bennett was caught with his pants down.

Yeah, Alan Coombs is intelligent, but also a softy. He debates to politely with people who would just as soon bite his head off. That's what I don't like about him, and this is not just limited to his debate with Bennett.

With people throwing ideas like abortion of a race to reduce crime, I want to hear the the Bill Mahers type to tell them as plain as they can speak, take that trash and shove it.

This is the last post I will respond to about this because there is no sense in us going back and forth about this. I respect your opinion that this man has a right to say what he wants because he was just throwing ideas around and hypothetically speaking, but I don't agree and nothing you can say will make me be OK with it. Sorry.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree

because I've seen many a lies from the Obama campaign including Joe Biden who I believe was found to say 13 or more things during the VP debate that were not true.


As for the way Sarah talks during her speeches.....why should she hide who she is when she gives a speech.  For some of us....it is nice to hear someone up there who talks like we do in every day life, who is successful, and has started from the bottom up and has no problem standing up to her political party....which is something I wish more politicians on both sides would do.  I'm tired of this political party crap and politicians following what that party wants. 


That is another thing that appeals to me about McCain/Palin.  I feel they will stand up to their party if needs be.  Obama and Biden, however, have not shown me that.


Okay, I'll agree to disagree n/m

Whether you agree or disagree with this pick...

Maybe we should all check the facts before judging this guy.  Actions speak much louder than words.  Below are 2 sites, The first is a list of bills he sponsored.  The other is his voting record. 


http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400120&tab=bills


http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=33530


Barack Obama for President
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Fox Attacks Barack Obama..sm
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I can tell you some of Barack Obama's views on this

I agree that this is a huge issue.  We have the technology to be virtually independent energy wise, but too many crooked politicians have too much money invested in the oil companies and have no interest in seeing alternative energy sources take away any of their profit.  That, in my opinion, is a huge source of our problem.  Below I will post a portion of what Obama plans to do about the energy crisis (from his website - barackobama.com).  He has a much more detailed plan listed on his website.  I'm posting a link if anyone would like to read more.


"Barack Obama believes we have a moral, environmental, economic, and security imperative to address our dependence on foreign oil and tackle climate change in a serious, sustainable manner.




  • Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to the level recommended by top scientists to avoid calamitous impacts.
  • Invest $150 billion over the next ten years to develop and deploy climate friendly energy supplies, protect our existing manufacturing base and create millions of new jobs.
  • Dramatically improve energy efficiency to reduce energy intensity of our economy by 50 percent by 2030.
  • Reduce our dependence on foreign oil and reduce oil consumption overall by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels of oil, by 2030.
  • Make the U.S. a leader in the global effort to combat climate change by leading a new international global warming partnership."

Biden also said that Barack Obama was not...
ready to be President. I believe his words were: "THe Presidency does not lend itself to on-the-job training." Not what he is saying now. Let's be real about this.
What about Barack Obama associates?
What kind of character and judgment does that show?
I don't hate Barack Obama. I just don't want...
the Unites Socialist States of America, and he does. He and I fundamentally disagree on denying medical care to infants surviving abortion. I don't trust someone who has the kinds of associations he has...I think it speaks to an agenda that I don't think is healthy for America.

That being said, if John McCain was a socialist and championed infanticide and the worst thing I could find about Obama is that he cheated on his wife umpteen years ago, I would be voting for Obama. It is not the man, it is the ISSUES, MT Pockets...the ISSUES, and what I (I cannot speak for others) want for ourselves and our country, just like you do.

I don't "love" John McCain. I do admire his service and what he went through for this country. I do believe he loves his country. I can't truthfully say I believe he same for Barack Obama. Even that is no reason to hate him; he is entitled to have his opinion of America. I don't hate him.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA


                           


                          


 


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President-elect Obama's acceptance speech.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/11/barack-obama.html


Again...my feelings about Barack Obama have nothing to do...
with his color and one wonders why people keep bringing that up. My issue is with his policies and the direction he wants to take the country in. I would feel the same if he were white. Or Asian. Or Hispanic...or anything else.

Just because he is elected doesn't mean I am miraculously going to change the value system I grew up with and still have. I would not expect you to change yours if the other side had won. I would expect they would have to win you over...just like he will have to win me over. Just because he won I did not become an Obama supporter. Nothing has changed for me since yesterday as far as how I feel about him. He himself understands he has to earn my respect. So, I say to him...go ahead, President Obama. We shall see how it turns out.
Barack Obama Day with holiday pay.. sm

 


Then we will agree to disagree. And a controlled interview...
is not like meeting with a hostile head of state. And I don't think an "understanding" of Islamic principles is going to help talk to the prime minister of Israel OR Ahmadinejad. That is just my opinion.

I beg to differ about Joe Biden's comfort zone...he is extremely comfortable in DC. He is an established member of DC politics. Unless you have not been paying attention in past years, you know this. He is a toe-the-line Democrat. When he actually said in public what he said about McCain, I thought well, maybe he isn't as partisan as I thought. Buzz, wrong thought. I was right. He is. He came from a blue collar background...so did Obama, so did his wife. But they are far, far removed from that now. And they trot it out when they feel they need to "connect" to the blue collar out here among us. Maybe some buy into that, and that is fine. But some do not, and that is also fine.

Personally, I feel Joe Biden wants to be Vice President and whoever he has to mow down in the process, fine, casualities of the political war. No blue collar people I know throw friends under the bus to promote themselves. But maybe the blue collar people I know are not like the blue collar people he comes from. Can't say.

Yes, he used to talk about partisan bickering, and he and McCain worked on a lot of issues, and if McCain felt he was right then he bucked his own party to support him. Which is why Biden said he viewed McCain as a friend and "I would be proud to be on a ticket with John McCain." Notice how quickly that changed. Either you have integrity or you do not. Either you feel loyalty to a friend is more important than partisan politics or it is not. He showed me what was important to him. I was not impressed. That is my opinion of course, entitled to it, just like you are to yours. We just disagree.

All that being said, I do feel that he is much more qualified for the job than the man who is running for it. I would still be concerned, but I would not be as concerned if Biden were in the #1 seat instead of the #2 seat.

But that would not change my opinion of Joe Biden as a person. I think he lacks integrity, I know he lies, because he was either lying when he said Obama wasn't ready or he is lying now when he says he is. Either way...he lied. Same old Washington politics...sorry, I don't see much change or any hope thereof where Biden is concerned.
We will agree to disagree...I think she would wipe the floor with him.
Because he would underestimate her. Like I think many will. Time will tell.
From Barack Obama's mouth to your ears...
"We are better than this."

Well, we SHOULD be better than this. Can't we leave the name calling and mean spirited personal comments about individuals by the wayside that has nothing to do with the discussion? Especially people impaired by illness? This sounds like a junior high school lunch room.
Actually, Barack Obama has quite eclectic taste!

Obama lists his favorite music as Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Bob Dylan, Stevie Wonder, Johann Sebastian Bach (cello suites), and The Fugees.


Personally, I love the song SuperFreak!



 


 


How much did Barack Obama think about foreign policy before he decided to run...?
I would say...none. There is certainly no proof that he DID, that is why he chose Biden. So, if HE has to make a crucial decision that does not involve voting present or yelling at Michelle for spending $10,000 to send their kids to camp, or which Britney Spears designer to use for his next big speech...what's he gonna do? All I can say is, if he is elected, he better put Biden on speed dial or handcuff him to himself. You act as if your guy is ready!! And no one has to keel over for HIM to be in charge...he is in charge on day 1. Yeah, THAT IS scary!!

I don't know in what alternate universe you think Karl Rove is advising him. Karl Rove and John McCain detest each other. Have you not paid ANY attention these last few years??
Geez. Suppose Barack Obama gets that 3:00 call...
and can't find Joe Biden?

Lord love a duck.
Oops, left out Barack Hussein Obama
in the above post.
PRESIDENT ELECT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA ! ! ! ! ! !
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Get it right...President-elect Barack Obama stated it
was people's choice if they chose to have an abortion.  Nevertheless, you live in america and he is your president as well, just go ahead and face the fact.  It does not matter whether you trust him or not, he is your president, RESPECT him as such!!!!!!!
Two more and I'm done! Q. What's the difference between Jesus Christ and Barack Obama?

A. Jesus could assemble a cabinet.


 


Q: How many Obamunists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None.  It's enough to hope that it gets changed.


 


  I'm waiting to be called a racist.  I'm sure somewhere in that those jokes, some Obamunist will find racism.


Okie dokie. We agree to disagree. Someone should speak for the babies...
and I would be one of those. Because I think they deserve a shot at life just like you do. You don't. Your prerogative.
Ever heard of Barack Hussein Obama before he started running?
that argument doesn't play out either! and she's the VP not the president!
Exactly. And Barack Obama attended a racist church for 20 years....
and did a fine job of tolerating it. I suppose he is included in that it should not be tolerated by anyone ever? He would still be tolerating it had it not become a campaign issue. Just a fact.
And you disagree with everything Obama has to say? nm
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I disagree. I think Obama's plans

will be the one to further hurt our country.  However, if I am wrong (and if O wins I hope I am wrong), I will give Obama credit if and when it is due.  Until then, I stand by what I believe.  Raising taxes during a financial crisis like this will ruin us.  Taxing businesses more will only make our products and services cost more which WE will pay for.  And as much money as Obama is wanting the government to spend on his programs, he will have to tax more than the rich to cover his expenses.


Cut taxes and cut government spending!!!!  Not the other way around.


That's true - and Barack Obama is a true Patriot too.
Again we can agree to disagree. How John McCain has voted goes against everything I want as a President, but there are an equal number of people to me who feel opposite. That's the way it goes.

Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.