And I think everyone that thinks the issue of his BC is not important is missing the point..
Posted By: sm on 2008-11-14
In Reply to: you missed the point of the original post - sweets
if indeed he was born elsewhere and he is hiding it, what a way to start a presidency. What else will he hide or lie about. JUST have a judge look at your certificate and validate it for EVERYONE, so that we can feel comfortable in knowing.
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Nicely worded but you are missing an important point
I don't know the history of your posts, but when you suggest: "Democrats/liberals, start your threads, and I will not encroach upon them. I would ask for the same respect from you as I post independently. There will be no need for you to open any of them or to spend half a page piling on. I will respect your threads. Kindly respect others."
You are forgetting at least two things:
1. If we are supposed to NOT be divided as you post toward the end, WHY would you actively ask people with different opinions NOT to respond (encroach) on your threads? Do you want ONLY people who agree with you to respond? Think about that before you answer.
2. Until/unless the moderators CENSOR this board and not allow anyone to post to anything, it's not up to you to tell me or anyone else what they can post, or where. You say in your post: So let's allow both sides to present views, support their candidates, exercise our right to free speech, have diverging opinions.... but telling people not to encroach on your space and vice versa is the antithesis of "allowing both sides to present view... have divergent opinons.
Finally, don't be too sensivive: If someone responds to my post with hate, an insult, etc., I can simply CHOOSE to ignore the post. Choose your battles.
As for me, I have total respect for Senator McCain's *military* experience, but I don't want someone who has voted 90% with the most corrupt 'president' in our history - to be in charge of my America for the next 4+ years. He's not a Maverick, he's a hypocrite and bush minion.
He also says he thinks 'labeling' is important....well, I
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Important issue
Dealing with our enemies - I read an article and was going to post the link, but the article is positioned on the page odd and I had to scroll down to the bottom and words went off the screen so I cut and pasted some of it here. If you still wish to see the article let me know and I'll provide a link..
Obama is described as “eloquent and dazzling. In writing, he sounds like the candidate for class president pledging no more homework and free pizza”. – (pretty good description I'd say)
His position on Iran – “If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation”. – That, that’ll show them.
While other candidates have insisted that we should threaten to drop nuclear bombs on terrorist training camps, Obama believes that we must talk openly about nuclear weapons – because “the best way to keep America safe is not to threaten terrorists with nuclear weapons”. Obama will secure all loose nuclear materials in the world within four years. “This will deny terrorists the ability to steal or buy loose nuclear material”. – Does he really believe the most vicious people will be thwarted that easily?
People should remember that no matter how eloquently offered it is not always for the better.
The most important issue.....
this election is freedom. On November fourth we will determine which path our government will take, liberty or Marxism. I will choose liberty.
McCain/Palin 2008 
This is a place for politics posting and that is the issue important to me...
if you don't like it, again, don't read'em. To quote you, enough already enough already.
You are missing the point. SM
It is known that Laura Bush was the driver of a car when she was very young in which someone was killed. However, much embellishment to that was made that she was drunk. When I asked for a credible link to that, you simply ignored me. This is not debate. It is throwing wild accusations out there and then refusing to back them up with verifiable data. I liken this to small town gossip, not a lot of truth to it, probably going to hurt someone in the end, but it sure is fun when we are making up stuff. Since you don't care what I think about you, you won't mind if I tell you that you have shot any credibility you still had left. Now, I will adjourn from "your" board and go find some adults to communicate with.
So what is your point - I'm missing it
I read my article a couple times. I'm not seeing what point you are trying to make.
I think every one is just missing the point...
see anyone's view but your own.
This is to what I was referring.
"Like a lot of folks in this state I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test, with which I have no problem.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them??
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sitting on their butt. Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?????
You are missing the point
It's not what he eats, its the sickening fact that the poster said he is like because he eats what we do.
Yeah, there IS an echo. Please listen before attacking me.
What point are you missing here?
Have you just not read anything? You seem to have inflicted this feeling on yourself. I have said nothing about the working people accepting welfare or food stamps when they have fallen on hard times. No one called you lazy.
I realize you are just too upset to actually read what I am stating and perhaps because of your personal circumstances, you feel you're being attacked, but if you would actual read what I have stated above, I believe you would see the point I talking about.
The point being I am not talking about the working people who through no fault of their own having to accept welfare, food stamps, or any help they can find for themselves or their family. I am talking ONLY about those who DON'T work, have never worked, and do not EVER intend to work receiving all these things you are trying to receive.
Don't you believe you, a person who has actually worked and tried to pay your own way in life, should have these things offered you over someone who has offered nothing productive to this ountry but taking?
Would you rather be turned down medical help or any help in the future because the money just isn't there because we have spent it by the trillions on those who have never even worked a day in their lives? I say to you accept everything offered you. You shouldn't have to have hospitals pull strings for you in the first place; you should be getting medical attention regardless, which is the point you are missing.
Those who NEVER work and are on Medicaid and receive all their care from the government, always get medical attention. Those like yourself who do work are having to struggle to get medical care. What part of that do you not see as unfair?
Looks like it was a point worth missing.
you decide to let us in on what that elusive point might be.
You're missing the point.
Her age dictates his eligibility to run for president. There are lawsuits out now regarding this.
You are missing the entire point. How sad. nm
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I think you're missing the point...(sm)
World economy, eliminting industries, creating new ones -- all things that can be dealt with.
Extinction of humans -- not so much.
I gues I'm missing your point
The whole text seems to actually reiterate the fact that one of the founding principles of the country is freedom of speech, even that which you don't agree with it. This lunatic Phelps is going into a community that is openly "Gay is Okay" with the only intent to cause problems, and the whole article is about the discussion of ways to circumvent Phelp's plans.
I think you should maybe read up more on the activities of Phelps and his group before using him as your poster child as a good Christian. Based on the military's 'Don't Ask/Don't Tell' policy toward gays, Phelps has felt it okay to go to the funerals of soldiers who have died honorably while serving their country in Iraq and proudly waved signs saying their deaths were retribution for the military's condoning of homosexuality. Frankly, even if I was a bible-toting, salvation-seeking, Christian who faints at the mere thought of gay marriage, I'd probably still want to distance myself from Rev. Phelps as much as possible.
You're missing one crucial point
No where in there did you say that these white evangelical ministers are spouting hatred towards black people, calling them "less than human" or spouting about "black liberation theology" or the teaching of "Dr. James Cone".
Now if our "white preachers" were to go on and on about "white theology" and if our websites said "a white congregation" we would be immediately portrayed as racist. But it's okay for the United Trinity Church of Christ (Obama's church or former church, whatever) to have all over their website that they are a BLACK church. See for yourself:
http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=27
So I take it a white person walking in there wouldn't be very welcome?
Talk about racism.
You're missing the point. She's not talking about
people like your stepdaughter. She's talking about all the free loaders who won't get off their lazy butts and get a job even when they are more than capable of doing so.
When I was little my mom struggled to feed the two of us because my dad was a deadbeat. She went to the welfare office asking for just a little help to feed us. They told her that she made too much money but if she quit her job, they would pay for everything: housing, food, everything. She could have easily taken the easy route and taken them up on their offer but had too much integrity. Here she was making too much money in their eyes but many weeks only had $5 after bills to feed herself and her only child. Now that is a messed up government. I'm all for helping people help themselves. Pay for day care while they get an education, pay for food while they work to better themselves but NOT pay for them to drive fancy cars, have satellite that they watch on big screen TVs, and eat potato chips and ice cream. Get real, open your eyes, and quit making excuses for the lazy! We're not talking about the needy. Yes, there are people are mentally or physically unable to work. That is NOT who we are talking about!
The point is Obama NEVER thought it was important
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The specific issue is irrelavant to my point
I was in no way arguing the whole abortion issue. Passionate feelings on both sides. I'm staying out of that. What I was trying to say is this bill is typical future-ammo stuff done by both sides. Here is an example: I am a legislator and draw up a bill (the idea of which was probably pushed on me by a lobbyist). I call it the Justice for Pedophile Victims Act. The bulk of the bill talks about harsh punishments for pedophiles, one strike and you're out, life in jail, that kind of thing. But there is a little clause in there that says that at trial the pedophile victims have to come face-to-face with the pedophile and describe in detail what happened to them and be subject to the pedophile's lawyer's cross examination. I know my opponents are all for harsh punishments but don't want to subject the victims to that kind of trauma in court, so I know they will vote no. Then when election time comes I can say my opponent voted against the Justice for Pedophile Victims Act and thus must want to let peophiles walk the street. I know this is not true, but I knew they would vote no due to wording that left out would have changed their vote.
It's all politics and it happens all the time.
what am i missing?
i went to links, and i don't see it, just about the underground facility that the govn't has that i've known about forever...concentration camps???
No issue is no issue. Denying that
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The link is still missing. nm
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some of it is missing, not just the pics.
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I believe you're missing something
I agree with Obama on this. The fight that we should be having (not necessarily the one Dubya got us into) is not with Islam. Much like that lunatic 'Reverend' Phelps does not represent all Christians, the Taliban does not represent all Islam. Unless you're wishing to start the kind of holy war that you are (mistakenly) condemning Islam of waging, you have to learn to differentiate moderate Islam from radical Islam, and accept that our facts that a war should be fought not based on religious beliefs but rather evil deeds.
You're not missing anything! (sm)
And (SURPRISE!) there are no lies.
Gore waited for two years before speaking out about the Bush agenda. On the other hand, Cheney is coming out after about two MONTHS, on a repeated ramage, appearing on every political show that will have him, is sending out his DAUGHTER to parrot his views and, in short, is trying to undermine the Obama administration. Cheney first denied using torture and now is proudly claiming ownership of it.
No lies here. But you obviously already knew that.
Link is missing LVMT...nm
What's missing is a valid premise.
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What's missing here is your understanding of this thread....
it is about infants born alive after botched abortions and left to die without care. Partial birth abortion is when they turn the baby around in the womb, let all but the head be born, then stick a needle in base of skull and suck the brain out to collapse the skull and make sure the baby is dead before it comes out, to avoid that pesky being born alive thing that proabortion people so hate.
At least get your facts straight and know what you are denying before you deny it.
And yes, he does support partial birth abortion. He supports removing the ban on that heinous procedure. His wife sent out a campaign letter while he was running for senate in Illinois that said that very thing.
Sheesh.
Don't feel too bad. Obama is missing it too...sm
which will result in one of the many reasons he will lose this election, and be relegated to being one of the greatest "could have beens" in history, and never be heard from again. No big loss really. Maybe if he can get overcome his "present" voting style, someday he'll be back...but I highly doubt it.
He's history.
If you don't listen to Rush, you're not missing much. sm
The Quotable Limbaugh...
On homosexuality: "When a gay person turns his back on you, it's anything but an insult - it's an invitation. The difference between Los Angeles and yogurt is that yogurt comes with less fruit."
On the homeless: "One of the things I want to do before I die is conduct the Homeless Olympics. The 10-meter Shopping Cart Relay, the Dumpster Dig, and the Hop, Skip and Trip."
On NAFTA: "If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people--I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs, let the kinds of jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do--let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."
![](http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pundits/rush-limbaugh/rushy.gif") On Native Americans: "There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history. Does this sound like a record of Genocide?"
On feminism: "Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream. Women were doing quite well in this country before feminism came along."
On feminazis: "Militant feminists are pro-choice because it's their ultimate avenue of power over men... It is their attempt to impose their will on the rest of society, particularly on men."
On corporate layoffs: "Why is it that whenever a corporation fires workers, it's never speculated that the workers might have deserved it?"
On Kurt Cobain: "Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentleman, was a worthless shred of human debris."
Speculating as to how a Mexican won the New York marathon: "An immigration agent chased him for the last 10 miles."
Isn't the Bill Maher board missing you?
your link & good sense are missing.
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pardon my missing comma (blush)
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Only thing missing is Michael Jackson....way
I had that happen one time too...a post turning up missing. sm
And all I did was say I felt other posters were being too harsh. That was it. So I emailed the moderators and the reply I got was that if somebody complains about a post, then all the replies associated with that post are also deleted along with the offending post.
I hope this helps shed light on your missing post.
Chairman of Missing and Exploited Children Caucus Resigns...sm
But not before he solicited at least two teenagers via email/internet. See articlee (be sure to read on and see what he says to them).
let me tell you what my son thinks -
My son voted for McCain - his reasoning? "Well, it don't matter, we are gonna be in a war whoever gets it". Exact words...
When I asked him why he voted McCain, he said he did not know, that's just who he chose when he had to mark something.
When I asked him about issues, again, he did not know.
When we talked about the economy and everything that has been going on in the last months, he did not know anything about it. Said they were not allowed any newspapers or TV and so they did not know what was going on in the world.
Of course, he is in basic training, but those boys should be allowed to have information also so that they can make an informed decision. How many of those 18 year olds really know what they just voted for? Obviously not many if my son's respones to me are the norm.
And you know what, my son wants to come out and he thinks the military is going to pay for his college. Did you happen to see the link I posted below about McCain voting against the extra funding for the GI bill? My son did not have a chance to find that out before he voted...
I don't know who thinks they are the
highly educated on this board, you or gourdpainter. You 2 have a lot in common! You really do need a breath of fresh air, honey. They sure didn't teach you about respect in that (now get ready) college...
Thank you! And anyone who still thinks he's
a Muslim is an uninformed idi*t. I wish people would at least educate themselves before voting....
Me thinks you are right......... sm
Might want to hit the farm and ranch store and stock up on seeds for planting come spring. And hang on to those newspapers.......just in case! LOL
I think we all know how well he thinks
showed us this at his big fiasco on the Rick Warren special, which was the only time during the entire campaign he was caught without his teleprompter. He stuttered and stammered half of his time away instead of answering the questions. And now, his so-called press conferences are prearranged. He knows who he is going to call on when he steps on stage and I feel sure he has given the reporters the questions they are allowed to ask. He is one sly, smooth-talking devil alright, and you betcha, he thinks about what he is going to say carefully before he says it!
So now you know what God thinks...wow...
To use your God to promote prejudice...Christian? Christian means to follow Christ..and Christ NEVER presumed to know what the Father God was thinking. Get away from me!!!
No - he just THINKS he is on TV
He's only that great in his own mind.
Actually most of the posts in support of TS are just TS using different monikers. Read some of them, you will see the pattern...
more important to you?
Excuse me, more important to you than me? No, it is more important to ME. You are an onlooker, it is my blood.
He has just never been that important to me.. nm
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So are dad's not as important?
Is this what you are suggesting because I do believe some of SP's children are older than Obama's and yet no one seems to be spatting about him leaving his children to run for president. Of SP's 5 children....only 2 are younger....which is the same number of young children Obama has. Yet it seems to be okay with everything that he just let Michelle Obama raise their children while he runs around the country to be prez. Why is it not acceptable that Todd Palin take care of the two younger children while his wife tries to make this country better....including for her children. Why....because Todd is the dad and he should be out working while SP stay at home cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids.........seriously....who time warped us back to the 50s?
Oh I see....what was more important than ....
the Katrina victims at that point? Looks like I need to go to the senate site and see what Biden and Obama felt was so important they had to vote for the bridge.
People WERE suffering from Katrina and they had a chance to vote for it. They chose not to. Where does integrity come in? Where is country first, party second? What was so all-fired important they voted FOR a huge earmark for a bridge and against help for Katrina victims?
As as for pork...it is added by BOTH parties and that is what McCain/Palin seek to stop. Plus earmarks for personal gain...like Obama earmarking a million bucks for his wive's employer...who had just that month DOUBLED her salary.
Face it...Obama is old Washington politics, just like Biden is. There is no change there. Same old washington politics. He has demonstrated throughout his career. Yes, other politicians do it. That is exactly what I am talking about.
It is time it stopped, and the only people who have ANY history of bucking their own party to do that are McCain/Palin. Now THERE is change you can believe in.
Well, I think it is more important when the man...
running on the ticket with you only a few months ago voiced the opinion that you were not qualified for the job...however...in a strict changing your story view, yes. Weighing the importance of the two issues (lipstick on a pig and your #2 saying you were not qualified for the job) is up to the reader.
How is this not important?
I know that, on the surface, it's really easy to write this off as a nonissue. But I would ask that, regardless of party, everyone stop for a moment and consider what it MEANS.
It means that a make-up artist was more important to the McCain campaign than any other adviser or staff member. It's representative of shallowness and wasteful excess. It shows clear skewed judgment in what's important in our nation.
And, frankly, it was clearly wasteful expenditure. Palin looked perfectly fine before the excessive celebrity life the campaign brought to her. There was no need for this. She's an attractive woman, and absolutely not in need of this Paris Hilton-esque extravagance.
Why the campaign and RNC thought it would make her more "popular" is pretty head-scratching. Instead, they just made themselves look like, well, the type of people who aren't really "for" the middle class after all. The type of people who think style is more important than substance.
Is it?
Why this is important...(sm)
If Bush is not tried for his crimes, it sets a precedence for successive abuse of power....even for Obama. As a country, until we acknowledge and correct our shortcomings we cannot move forward. What do you think the rest of the world will say if we don't do something about it? We talk alot about justice and being fair, but until we can show that we are willing to uphold those ideals we are no better than the ones who would commit those crimes.
The economy is the focus right now, and yes, it should be dealt with first and foremost, and that is being done. But that is not to say that we cannot accomplish other things at the same time. If they do go after Bush, all Obama has to do is step aside and not stop the preceedings. This is all about the judicial branch of government, not the White House.
Oh and I really DON'T care what he thinks. sm
I mean none of us really should, liberal or conservative. I don't know about you, but as I hit the middle ages of my life, I have way more to worry about than what some overpaid actor thinks about anything. It just isn't real h igh on my list of things I care about. Now that I am back in school, and really struggling to find a career that will last me the rest of my life, I have even less time for things like this.
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