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Another quote from that site, a wee bit more factual. and thought out......

Posted By: Context is critical on 2005-07-04
In Reply to: Quote from this site. sm - MT

Maybe it was the fruitless search for the weapons of mass destruction or the lack of any credible Al Qaeda ties to Saddam Hussein. As months dragged on, it became more and more evident that these would never be found. As these justifications for war dissipated, so did my own personal justifications for the death I had seen.

 

So, here I am. I'm left with pride in my own service and the men I served with, but the sickening feeling that it was avoidable. I would gladly lay down my life for our country. Like every other man who wears this uniform, our commitment is not at issue. Call it naivety, but it never occurred to me that my country was less committed to us than we are to it. Sending us in harm's way for a lie amounts to a betrayal that may prove to be criminal. It's unfortunate that on November 2nd 59,000,000 Americans failed to do their duty and hold the administration accountable for this betrayal of the troops. A dishonorable discharge was never more warranted.



 



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    Quote from this site. sm

    “heatherb” a Soldier from OK, submitted 9-6-04:


    “You cannot tell me that we are not doing the right thing when you watch little kids run, literally run from their one room mud hut a mile away from the road come running as your convoy is passing just to wave, not to beg for food or water, just to wave. Or to be a woman and invited to sit amoung the Iraqi men and share their Chai with them and listen as they share their stories of the days when their country was oppressed. To have shared such time with the people of tha t country and to have learned about their culture and that they are such a powerful proud people. And to know that I was a part of liberating that, makes me proud to have gone over there to give those kids that run up to us all those times the chance to never have tell the stories that the men sharing tea told, but listen to them as I did. We are doing the right thing regardless of the disillusion of our politicians. Be proud of what you've done. I am."


    God Bless them.


    food for thought...go to this site:
    compares the campaign planes.

    http://bellalu0.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/obama-campaign-plane-vs-mccain-campaign-plane/

    Cut and paste into your browser. This would suggest that perhaps Mr. Obama does have a problem with the American flag. It does to me.
    A quote from Ronald Reagan that I thought was appropriate
    There are those in America today who have come to depend absolutely on government for their security. And when government fails they seek to rectify that failure in the form of granting government more power. So, as government has failed to control crime and violence with the means given it by the Constitution, they seek to give it more power at the expense of the Constitution. But in doing so, in their willingness to give up their arms in the name of safety, they are really giving up their protection from what has always been the chief source of despotism — government. Lord Acton said power corrupts. Surely then, if this is true, the more power we give the government the more corrupt it will become. And if we give it the power to confiscate our arms we also give up the ultimate means to combat that corrupt power. In doing so we can only assure that we will eventually be totally subject to it. When dictators come to power, the first thing they do is take away the people's weapons. It makes it so much easier for the secret police to operate, it makes it so much easier to force the will of the ruler upon the ruled.
    You cite THIS as factual?

    This is a site that judges who is and isn't an athiest/agnostic, etc. based on their PERCEIVED OPINION.


    It would be like the people who judged Phil Donahue the other night on O'Reilly as being drunk to then adopt that as the truth and adding his name to a site designed to expose drunks.


    This isn't fact.  It's trash, as are the other sites that come up when someone googles Donahue/athiest.  What authority do you have that Donahue refers to himself as an athiest?


    From their own site, this is how people are added to the list.


    Who qualifies?


    To be a celebrity as it applies to the list, one must have achieved some notoriety, such as appearing often in media with wide distribution. This would include publishing bestselling or critically acclaimed books, appearing in movies, being a leader in one's field, etc.. If a name you submitted does not qualify, it is probably because you did not provide sufficient information. See existing entries for the range of 'celebrity' covered.


    If you had read any FACTUAL
    you would realize that knowing these people does not constitute believing as they do or sharing an agenda. If you had done any reading from unbiased anti-Obama sources, you would realize that he often listens to people that do not share his personal POV.


    Please provide factual evidence of this...

    ....but MUST be from a nonpartison source absolutely.  Actually I thought it was just as much the case with the Republican party, but I freely admit that I have no concrete statistics at this point to back that up. 


     


    They are not! They are factual. A great deal of research, actually
    going and talking to people who were THERE over the years when Obama was growing up, a teen, a young adult, and adult.  This is not speculation folks, this is downright brass tacks in person research.  Don't be fooled.  And, to the person below who posted that you have no problem with Muslims, then you need to reprioritize and realize that while there is a small portion of Islamic people who do no wish harm on Americans, most of them do.  They were raised up to do precisely that. 
    I don't understand...you are saying Hitler's beliefs are factual and sane?
    I am very puzzled.  When challenged on your historical knowledge, you cite Hitler as a source for your information?  Remember, he also planned to exterminate the Poles and all Catholics eventually.  I don't think the reasons he cites for hating the Jews are really the basis for any historical reality. He was, after all, one the greatest propagandists.
    You put up THIS site or the site you said to check out
    Unless you are the administrator which I highly doubt you didn't put up THIS site.
    I just thought it might be nice to hear an original thought. sm
    I guess I was reaching.
    Thought this was good so I thought I'd share

    Down the drain?  Beware of Obama's plan to 'spread the wealth around'


    By Betsy Newmark
    High School History and Government Teacher/Blogger


    If the McCain campaign can’t use this Obama quote to raise doubts about his attitude towards wealth and success, then they deserve the shellacking they seem headed for.


    “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?” the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed “more and more for fulfilling the American dream.”


    “It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,” Obama responded. “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”


    Plumbers of the country, unite! Forget about the work and effort you put into building up a business or the scummy work that you do that many of us don’t know or don’t want to do. If you have succeeded, you should be willing to give up more of what you earn to help those who haven’t had the great good luck that you have had to be a successful plumber. Remember how Obama is going to give 95% of all of us a tax cut even though over 30% of the population doesn’t pay taxes?



    He might call it a tax credit, but what he’s really doing is his vision of “spreading the wealth around.” It sounds a lot like Huey Long’s 1935 plan to “Share the Wealth.” And when he finds that he can’t tax the top 5% of the population to gain enough wealth to spread to the 95% of the rest of us, do you really think that he’ll stop with that 5%?


    Remember…This is the guy who said in the ABC debate during the primary season that his approach to raising tax on capital gains is not based on whether it would provide more revenue but on his idea of what is fair:


    GIBSON: All right. You have, however, said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, “I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton,” which was 28 percent. It’s now 15 percent. That’s almost a doubling, if you went to 28 percent.


    But actually, Bill Clinton, in 1997, signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.


    OBAMA: Right.


    GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.


    OBAMA: Right.


    GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.


    So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?


    OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.


    Just what we need in these fragile economic times — a guy who wants to raise taxes because he thinks it’s a matter of “fairness” and time to “spread the wealth around.”


    That will be some incentive for other plumbers who want to work hard and build up a successful business.


    But don’t worry - according to Joe Biden, it’s the patriotic thing to do.


    Haha! I thought I was the only one who thought he looked

    That's not the whole quote.

    Quote of the Day

    The only difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that the Democrats allow the poor to be corrupt, too. ~Oscar Levant


    Quote of the Day

    A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. ~ Theodore Roosevelt


    Quote of the Day

    If the person you are trying to diagnose politically is some sort of intellectual, the chances are two to one he is a Democrat. ~Vance Packard


    Quote of the Day

    If you can't convince them, confuse them. ~ Harry S. Truman


    Quote of the Day
    Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession.  I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.  ~Ronald Reagan

    Quote of the Day

    Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear. ~ Harry S. Truman


    Quote of the Day

    If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. ~ John F. Kennedy


    Quote of the Day

    Too bad that all the people who really know how to run the country are busy driving taxi cabs and cutting hair. ~ George Burns


    Quote of the Day

    When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross ~ Sinclair Lewis


    Quote of the Day
    A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves ~ Edward R. Morrow
    Exactly where did you get this quote from me?
      Tally, add 1 nasty for the republicans.
    Your Quote from Joe

    "The media's worried about whether I've paid my taxes, they're worried about any number of silly things that have nothing to do with America," Wurzelbacher told the former Republican presidential hopeful on his show, "Huckabee."

    And your quote:"This is what is so funny.  In Joe's eyes "taxes" are silly things."

    If you notice, he did not say taxes were silly things. He said they're worried about any number of silly things. He didn't specifically say taxes are silly things.


    This whole election is out of hand. The media is whipping everyone into a frenzy over a bunch of stupid crap that has no place in the election.  I have never seen such garbage spewing from everyone, every newspaper, and you-name-it.


    People have to be level-headed and think and decide for themselves and stop the name-calling just because others don't agree!!!!!


    I would also like to add this quote.

    I posted this below but will post it again.


    "Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." -- Thomas Jefferson


    there was a lot more to that quote
    "my muslim faith" If you listen to it in context, he is not saying he is a muslim, he is refering to people talking about his muslim faith, which he doesn't have.
    quote
    "Our democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who



    are willing to work and give to those who would not."



     

    Thomas Jefferson

    quote

    "Love your neighbor as yourself and your country more than yourself."


    —Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Jefferson Smith, February 21, 1825


    If you are going to quote me............ sm
    please at least do it in context.  "Obama is flying on the premise that he is innocent until proven guilty and the hope that his puppeteers have enough money to keep his guilt from being discovered, which they very well may have."

    Our Constitution does provide for presumed innocence until gult is actually proven.  That much I agree with.  HOWEVER, what I was saying here in the context of my message is that Obama is betting that he has enough financial backing that will grease the palms of those who are in charge of the decision-making process, as they have done in the past to get him to this level, that he will not be found guilty.  Money runs politics, Marmann, and I think you would agree with me on that.  You don't see very many poor people in national politics. 

    Once this issue is laid to rest by the SC, then I will let it go.  I may not like their decision, but I will let it go because, as the highest court in the land, their word is law and we must abide by it.  It would not be the first time that I would disagree with their judgment and probably not the last, but as an American I have, at least for the time being, the right to disagree with them. 

    As to what other issues may arise that I would voice disagreement with and "pound him into the ground" on, that remains to be seen.  I am watching several issues right now very closely, and if his decision on said issues disagrees with mine, then you can bet I will be on here screaming.  If he proves me wrong about him and brings this country back from the brink of total destruction, then I will cook up a pot of crow for me and anyone else who wants to join me.  If we don't have enough crow to go around, I have quite a few old hats around here that could supplement the meal. 
    Quote of the Day.....

    The late Dr. Adrian Rogers (1931-2005) offered the following observation several years ago and it bears poignant significance today:


    "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the rich out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply the wealth by dividing it. "


    quote from 1946

    As true today as it was when spoken in 1946.


    Why of course the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship ... voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.


    Hermann Goering April 18, 1946 - Nuremberg trial Taken from "Nuremberg Diary" by G.M. Gilbert

    Read quote

    Rush Limbaugh quoting excerpt from article by Rick Moran:


    But even a victory by 'The Laughing Goat' ( La Cabra que Ríe) couldn’t possibly gladden the hearts and warm the cockles of liberals like the prospect of celebrating…what? Well, there’s that drop in the President’s poll numbers. And then there’s…let’s see. Oh! Did I mention the drop in the President’s poll numbers? Yes, these are heady days for our left wing friends. The fact that their celebrations are taking place as a direct result of the distress, suffering, anguish and death of tens of thousands of their fellow citizens seems to not be of much concern to our morally superior betters. In fact, it has emboldened them to advance every crack pot theory on race and class that has poisoned American politics for going on forty years. One could say the left is dancing on the graves of black people, celebrating the exploitation of a political opening brought about by the incompetence of relief efforts in the largely black neighborhoods of New Orleans. Except for one thing: most of those graves are empty at the moment because the future les habitants haven’t even been plucked from the floodwaters yet.


    quote above from Voltaire

    I never heard that quote before. sm
    Please provide a link.  I would like to read the entire article. 
    Apparently you did not look far enough for the quote...
    This is from the Washington Post, transcript of the conversation:

    Vice President Cheney: Dec. 9, 2001 -- Meet the Press

    RUSSERT: Let me turn to Iraq. When you were last on this program, September 16, five days after the attack on our country, I asked you whether there was any evidence that Iraq was involved in the attack and you said no. Since that time, a couple articles have appeared which I want to get you to react to. The first: "The Czech interior minister said today that an Iraqi intelligence officer met with Mohammed Atta, one of the ringleaders of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the United States, just five months before the synchronized hijackings and mass killings were carried out."

    And this from James Woolsey, former CIA director: "We know that at Salman Pak, on the southern edge of Baghdad, five different eyewitnesses--three Iraqi defectors and two American U.N. Inspectors--have said--and now there are aerial photographs to show it--a Boeing 707 that was used for training of hijackers, including non-Iraqi hijackers trained very secretly to take over airplanes with knives." And we have photographs. As you can see that little white speck--and there it is, the plane on the ground in Iraq used to train non-Iraqi hijackers. Do you still believe there's no evidence that Iraq was involved in September 11?

    There ya go. Meet the Press only has transcripts on line back to 2003. I checked. If you look hard enough, there are other publications who published the actual transcript. Russert said it.

    As to the fuselage in the desert: Charles Deulfer, former Deputy Head, U.N. Special Commission for Iraq, told NPR, "There were lots of places in Iraq where training of non-Iraqis, or things, which by our lexicon would be considered terrorism, was taking place. That's why Iraq is on the terrorist list. Having a large aircraft, a 707, in a peninsula, completely visible from the air or from satellite, with no airline runways nearby, that's not there by accident."

    As to the smartalecky crack who was in the "meeting"...I posted that I heard him say it during the 9-11 commission meeting hearings and I DID. They were televised and there were certainly more than 3 people present. They asked him about the "slam dunk" comment regarding the intelligence and WMD, and he replied: "I thought it WAS a slam dunk. We ALL did." I don't know what meeting you are talking about with only three present. I am talking about what he testified to before the 9-11 commission in their hearings, which I did hear. And, frankly, I think out of the man's own mouth is a pretty reliable source.

    Yes, I agree it is hard to get the real story, especially since the story tellers change their stories like other people change their underwear. Tim Russert is just one of them. Richard Armitage is another. So which time do we believe them? Which time is really the truth? No way to know.

    I said the source of the reporting does not matter if the information can be substantiated. I don't discount everything I hear on a liberal station if I can substantiate it. A very simple example: If Fox News printed the sun was shining, and you looked out and the sun was shining...you could pretty well believe it, even if Fox is the one who printed it. That was my point...if it is a fact, who prints it does not matter. Who declines to print or report it though...that also indicates something.

    Have a good evening, Taiga!
    Your statement, and I quote....(sm)
    "A half a Xanax works just as well as a full one."
    NOT TRUE. A half a Xanax will take the edge off. An entire Xanax will afford you the opportunity to take a 2-hour nap.

    To quote the poster above....
    I have a right to be here and you have no right to tell me where I ought to be.

    I understand that you have a hardened heart and nothing I can say or do will change that. Anyone who thinks abortion is a valid method of birth control and is okay with that has a hardened heart. But, your right as an American to hold any opinion you want to hold.

    But it is my right as an American, and my moral right as a human being to state my opinion. And my opinion is that a developing child has as much right to life as YOU do. And I will continue the struggle. If that offends you...I'm sorry.
    mcCain quote - but do we
    From his book “Worth the Fighting For.”

    “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”


     


     


     


    that was a direct quote from

    Ronald Reagan.  How SHAMEFUL that you make fun of a dead man and one with Alzheimer's to boot.  I am appalled at your lack of manners.


     


    What a wonderful quote!
    Thank you so much for sharing this timeless quote with us today, zoesnana. It seems so fitting in light of our current economic status. President Jefferson was a very wise man!
    Biden 's quote
    Or, to quote JOE BIDEN:
    "I think he CAN be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."

    I do not agree with Biden's statement. It is not clear to me what motivated Biden to say this after Obama chose him as running mate.
    And Biden said this some time ago.



    Excellent quote. nm
    .
    A quote by Obama

    "I choose my friends carefully.  The more politically active black students. The foreign students.  The Chicanos.  The Marxist professors and structural feminists"


    Obama's words!


    Another quote by Obama
    'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
    Shakespeare quote
    "I think they protest too much."  I see no posts saying what up pubs think McCain/Palin has to offer.  It's all about trashing the "that one."   Have y'all ever considered that you may be doing more to turn voters away from your candidate than toward him?  Not one shred of your "evidence" against "that one" has come to fruition.
    Awesome quote!
    x
    Great quote
    "There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble opinion, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."
    -- John Adams
    Referring to your quote above, would
    sentiments if a conservative was being sworn into office on 1/20/09? Is this how you felt on 11/3/08?

    **From where I stand (the left...ok, far left),....I would say that most Americans realize the power that comes with being united and would not be willing to give that up, regardless of which side of the aisle you're on.**

    That quote should be about Obama. Even HE
    nm
    I believe this is a direct quote from big O
    'The buck stops here.'