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Anyone over 40 years old has a very good chance

Posted By: middle class on 2008-10-31
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of having Down's syndrome child at birth.  


I worry more about Biden being President and Pelosi being VP. 


90 percent of Melanoma growths are curable.  Lung cancer is bad.  Smoking is bad. 




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There is a good chance....since we get most of our oil from...
foreign countries. However, if you inflate your tires properly, we could be of dependence on foreign oil pretty soon. Good chance your gas came from the same place. You a supporter of terrorism? Not hardly, any more than McCain is. Geez.
If they did that, there's a good chance the
There would just continue to be excuse after excuse after excuse.

No more excuses, I want some ANSWERS.
I appreciate the link. Always a good thing to be given chance
when it comes to watching a smear campaign implode all over itself.
More good done in the last 4 days than the last 8 years!
I can't wait to see what next week will bring.
Why was the economy good until TWO years ago
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A nostalgic look at the *good ol' days* (2-1/2 years ago)

When people were speculating on how much the war with Iraq would affect gasoline and heating gas/oil prices.


Add to that the damage from Hurricane Katrina and think how it will affect everyone in this country in one form or another, not the least of which concerns oil.


I wonder how many people will have involuntarily transitioned from middle class to lower middle class solely as a result of the need to stay warm by the time spring/summer 2006 rolls around.


I wonder how Mr. Garcia (see below) feels today.  I found particular interest in how we tried to teach Hugo Chavez a lesson (of course, to the detriment of the American people) and how that little ploy came back to bite everyone but Bush and those of his royal ilk and can't help but smile at the irony of Chavez offering to help America's poor because everyone knows Bush doesn't care about them.  I guess the main question is just how many people ARE poor today yet were considered middle class three years ago?














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from the February 21, 2003 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0221/p01s01-usec.html


As war threat looms, Americans pay at the pump

By Kris Axtman | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

HOUSTON - Aurelio Garcia sits inside his Ford Explorer and waits for the familiar click that signals his gas tank is full. Normally, he spends his time at the pump reflecting on his busy day ahead. But today, as the digits climb higher and higher, Mr. Garcia is thinking about war.


It's necessary, he says halfheartedly, looking at the final bill: $26.70. We've got to get Saddam Hussein out of there.


While some consumers are grousing about Iraq as they grip the wheel, others, like Mr. Garcia, say they are willing to pay what it takes - at the pump or in the US military budget - to remove Saddam from power. But whatever their views on Iraq, Americans are finding that fuel costs are rising along with the prospects for war.


It's especially bad out West, with gasoline topping $2 per gallon in some California cities. And people who fly as well as drive get a double-whammy: $10 fuel surcharges on recently slapped onto each leg of many flights.


Various factors are at work, from low stockpiles at home to uncertainties in oil-producing locales as diverse as Nigeria and Venezuela. But experts say the politics and psychology of war are also playing an important role.


The price of gasoline began to increase immediately following Bush's State of the Union address, in which he hinted that we could be at war with Iraq in a matter of weeks, says Geoff Sundstrom, a spokesman for AAA in Heathrow, Fla. But the price increase, he says, stems more from fear of the unknown than from any real spike in demand.


Among the non-Iraq factors at play:


• Oil shipments from Venezuela are still lower than normal because of the country's three-month strike aimed at ousting President Hugo Chávez. The US typically imports about 13 percent of its oil from Venezuela, but has had to find alternatives as the strike stretches on.


• This is typically the time of year when many US refineries are brought down for routine maintenance. They may either be running at lower levels or not producing at all, forcing some areas to rely on reserves. Three Venezuelan-owned refineries in the US have shut down altogether.


• With meteorologists predicting a cold spring, many refineries are choosing to produce more heating oil than gas, again limiting supplies at the pump.


But overriding all this, in the minds of many - including commodity traders - is a possible war with Iraq.


That, along with cold weather, was cited by analysts as a key reason yesterday's government report on wholesale prices showed a 13.7 percent one-month jump in gasoline and a 19.7 percent spike in heating oil.


In my honest opinion, they're raising the price of gas because they need money for the war, says Carl Fua, speculating that the US government itself is manipulating prices as he fills his company truck with gas at a Chevron station near downtown Houston.


In Texas, regular unleaded averages about $1.60 per gallon.


Mr. Fua used to spend about $25 filling up; he now spends about $40. And his waterproofing company will no doubt have to pass that extra cost to the consumer. This price increase affects everything, he says, jumping into the driver's seat. It's the trickle-down effect.


Few see a government conspiracy, but all consumers are feeling the same pinch.


AS of Thursday, the national average for regular unleaded is $1.665 per gallon, according to AAA, the nation's largest auto club. States such as California and Hawaii are the highest, at $1.914 and $1.884 respectively - and at least 500 gas stations around the country are charging $2 or more for a gallon of regular unleaded.


Diesel fuel is also setting records, averaging $1.751 a gallon. At a diesel station east of downtown Houston, Phillip Borski tops off his truck's two 50-drum tanks in preparation for a day of furniture delivery. He's less convinced that the price increases are due to war jitters.


Everybody keeps saying it has to do with Iraq, but I think it has more to do with Venezuela, he says.


Even a minor disruption in deliveries from Middle Eastern countries could cause gas prices to spike even higher - especially in a protracted battle, says Amy Jaffe, senior energy analyst at Rice University in Houston.


We should be able to control prices for a period of time with our strategic reserves, but not if the war lasts for 6 to 8 months, she says. Indeed, crude oil inventories in the US are at historic lows, allowing for little flexibility.


The good news, say analysts, is that Persian Gulf countries have already begun to increase the amount of oil produced, and the US should see the result of that extra effort in the next several weeks.


Even with that additional oil prices may well jump even higher in a war. But panic, experts warn, would only worsen the problem.


We don't want people to look at gas the way the administration advised them to look at duct tape, says Larry Goldstein, president of the Petroleum Institute Research Foundation in New York. The market is ... too fragile for everyone to be topping off their tanks. That could create the very thing we're concerned about.


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Afer 8 years of W, nation deserves good chuckle.
the dems know how to throw a helluva party. You're invited, so come on down.
For this you have to wait at least 3 years and 8 months , maybe 7 years and 8 mohths...nm
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Any chance you could get down here
next Sept. 20-21?  If you could I promise you a position in the judge's tent for the Dutch oven cook-off judging.  Each cook makes 3 D. O. dishes, bread, main dish and dessert.  There are usually around 15 teams entered.  You'd love it.
Any chance
the mother ship will come back and get them?
are you obsessed, per chance?
Are you obsessed with gt?  This post must have been from a while ago, I don't remember reading it.  To actually spend time to find it and repost it, I don't know about that.  I guess my point is, do you really think your reposting is changing anything political-wise when it comes to ideology and trying to open other's minds or understand the opposite political spectrum?  What is your purpose of reposting something from weeks ago other than to cause disruption and conflict on the board and to actually try to cause hate which, from what I have read, the liberals posting on this board have been doing a good job trying to keep harmony.  Can I make a suggestion, let it go.  
It probably has no chance of passing sm
and was just a symbolic parting shot, but some of us are grateful anyway. Rallies from coast to coast today are honoring and thanking Cynthia. Wonder what makes you think her party has disowned her.

My favorite clip of Cynthia vs Rumsfeld below:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU
Snowball's chance
I don't think Ron Paul has a snowball's chance of winning, but I wouldn't vote for him anyway.
No chance of that happening...but
The last time we had a democrat president most of my family, freinds, and freinds family WERE homeless. Lost their jobs, lost their homes, lived in their cars, went to the soup kitchens once a day for a meal. The last democrat president implemented NAFTA (not sure implemented is the right word - but was responsible for the start of our jobs going overseas). Continued the deficit (not a surplus like he conned everyone he did). So luckily Bush is not running again so no chance of us being homeless. McCain and Palin gives us experience, loyalty, and a fresh face and ideas for the country. Obama and Biden gives us inexperience, lies, and false hopes. I don't want to end up homeless and broke so therefore I will NOT be voting for Obama. Obama is more of the same except with different packaging.

He reminds me of that commercial by Microsoft for the Mohave experiment. Its the same ol crappy Vista system only being hidden under the disguise called the Mohave experiment. And nobody knows its Vista until they are told.
Please give him a chance.
The press conference was 4 days after he was elected.  As for who he picking for his staff, he said as soon as he decides who will fill these positions, he will make an annoucement.  I, too, am glad he apologized to Nancy Reagan.  I knew as soon as I heard those words, there was going to be stuff said.  Also, you can blame the press for the question about the dog -- he doesn't have control over questions like that.  We need to be patient and not be so nitpicky over such small things.  I can't even imagine the pressure he is under right now, not to mention exhausted, and he probably hasn't even had the chance to mourn his grandmother.
He had another chance to do that and he failed
When he was just in Hawaii. A very simple trip to get his bc and prove to everyone he is legal would have solved everything, but he didn't do that.

He is basically saying to the country. I know I don't meet the legal qualifications, so what. There's nothing you can do about it.
Not a snowball's chance if
you think all you have to do is sit around taking pot shots at O for 4 years and turn zero focus on the implosion of the GOP, it's leadership deficit, the long dark shadow of W's scorched earth legacy and their need for a platform transplant. Yeah. Good luck in 2016.
At least give the guy a chance.
He needs some time but I can see that if someone disagrees with anything he says, they'll be called racist. That is completely unfair.

My personal opinion of freezing his staff salary is that is a little bit of nothing. It was just a show. If he wants to impress, he needs to freeze the salaries of all Washington politicians. That would impress me!


I am giving him a chance and I
know that this isn't a quick fix.  I'm realistic enough to know Obama cannot wave a magic wand and make this all go away.  I'm just saying that for a man who hasnt' been pres for a whole week......he has made a lot of promises already with 2 already broken.  I'm not trying to get a lynching mob together.  I just want to stay informed of what my president and the government is doing because I refuse to just assume they are making the right decisions.  Holy crap people.....seriously!  Xanax....try some.
EVERYONE! This your chance to do something about outsourcing
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/resources/video/commercials/elevator-commercial.html


What can you do?

* Call President Obama at 202-456-1111 and ask him to ensure that all new jobs created under a stimulus package go to American citizens and authorized immigrants already here. Tell the person answering the phone that the administration should suspend most work visas and green cards until it can be determined that issuing them will not harm the chances of unemployed Americans.
* Send a fax to your Senators urging them to make sure that only American citizens and authorized immigrants already here get jobs created by whatever economic stimulus package eventually is adopted.
* Fax your House Member thanking him/her for ensuring that the stimulus bill kept jobs out of the hands of illegal foreign workers but urging that in negotiations with the Senate businesses and governments should also be prohibited from using stimulus money to import more foreign workers.
* Read NumbersUSA's fact sheet Putting Americans Back to Work.
* Forward this page to as many Americans as possible to educate them about the statistics the media and government don't want them to know -- and to warn them what may happen to their jobs if they don't join you in taking action.
* Post your comments about the ad and this campaign.

Well I just had a chance to listen

to this and you kinda misrepresented what he said.  Surprise surprise.


He said he hated about 10 people out of the 3000 plus 911 victims' families who won't stop complaining, then he compared the people in New Orleans who were making it hard on everybody else there by not cooperating to those same type of people who are never satisfied no matter how much people are trying to help them.


I completely agree with everything he says on this.  I never really felt sorry for the people in New Orleans who refused to leave when they knew way ahead of time that a disaster was looming. 


Not quite- 2 years Catholic, 2 years Muslim. NM
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Any chance, there would be a point in this post>
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Do you agree that Democrats had a chance...
to head this off in 2006 at John McCain's urging? That the situation we find ourselves in now was avoidable?
Actually Bill Clinton had the chance
To get Osama and he never did. This started long before GW ever got in the white house. You may not like GW - I can't stand him, but I'm not going to blame him for something that started in the Clinton administration.
I'm willing to give the man a fair chance...

...the exact same way I gave George W. Bush a fair chance even though I didn't vote for him.  It was only after he was in office and I saw his contempt for the Constitution and for anyone who wasn't filthy rich that I formed my negative opinion of him.  It was his very own actions that formed that opinion, not partisan hearsay.


If this issue is legitimate, why in the world aren't Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham and/or any of the other right-wing media screaming it from the rooftops?


If this issue is legitimate, why in the world didn't Hillary Clinton or John McCain scream it from the rooftops?


The SC will meet this coming Friday, in private (five days before the EC votes) to discuss whether or not they will hear this case. 


If the SC goes against the will of the people in this nation and selects the US President again, then the mayhem that will result will make it very easy for George W. Bush to declare martial law (to control the "masses") and officially promote himself to "Dictator in Chief" for an indefinite period of time.


Perhaps that's the true goal of all of this.


If somehow, the will of the people is upheld, we need to be a country of AMERICANS that bond together.  We are living in very dangerous  and challenging economic times right now.  This isn't Obama's fault.  It's the fault of George W. Bush and the crippled America that Obama will inherit from Bush.  Something tells me, though, that you'll find a way to blame Obama for the sins of Bush, regardless of what happens.


As for me, I'm sick of reading and responding to posts regarding this nonissue.  I'm more concerned with legitimate problems facing this country, as they are extremely serious, real and potentially life threatening.


Have at it all you want.  I won't be participating any more.  I want to be a part of the America that supports its President, especially in these emergent times, not the small, bitter minority that will never give Obama a chance.  He could wind up being the best President we've ever had, but sadly, some people will never even realize it.


I just hope he's given at least the chance to be inaugurated...

...before some right-wing home-grown terrorist (with or without the prior knowledge of the GOP) decides to enact "what is to come."


That truly is my biggest fear.


I just don't understand the absolute refusal of some to even give Obama a chance.  These are the Americans who frighten me the most, the ones who seem to be the most angry and bitter.


I never voted for Bush, but when he was first installed in the White House, I never felt this bitter about him.  In fact, I was starting to like him a little right after 9/11.  It was HIS actions in the years to follow that absolutely disgusted me and the very first time in my life that I was afraid of my country's leader.


But I didn't flat-out hate him before he was even sworn in. 


If Obama has the opportunity to survive a Presidential term and has actually been a GOOD President, would you even recognize it, or are you so firmly implanted in your crystal ball's readings of "what's to come" that that's all you can see?


In any event, I hope you and everyone else who visits this board has a happy, healthy and prosperous 2009 that is full of love.  My health hasn't been all that great, and I need to surround myself with hope and optimism.


thanks for the website, i'll look at it when i get a chance...
we can kindly agree to disagree; i am tired of the hate and negativity here! hope you have a good day!
Thought I'd take a chance last night

and watched Olbermann because I was bored and wanted to see what all the hoopla is about over him.


Turned the channel after 5 minutes. He just spews hate. He took pot shots at everyone not conforming to his thinking and tried to twist words of his guests.


JTBB: Did you get a chance to watch it? s/m

Let me know what you think. 


I came across this because I was researching the Bilderberger Group.  I had seen a documentary earlier today on IFC and so decided to see what I could find.  Ran across a list of members and, interestingly enough, one of the American members just happens to be David Rockefeller. 


As far as the OP's comments, I was wondering why the need to be so insulting to someone not even addressing them directly  Pent-up aggression much?   


              


    


   


Never miss a chance to slam the Dems, do you?
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By any chance, you catch Larry King?
To begin with, I was a pregnant teen and most definitively will be voting for Obama. The other unwed mother poster is voting for Obama too in case you hadn't noticed. Bully, fear and threat tactics are not effective.

His candidacy is alive and well and has nothing to do with this issue and how it is going to play out. Tonight, Larry King's panel were talking this subject up one side and down the other. Every single issue that was raised today in these posts on this board were touched upon....every single one. SP is in the political arena now. Unfortunately, she has put her daughter there too. The issues surrounding this will be politicized. You can't stop this train.
Have you by any chance researched Biden's temper?
just wondering.
Give peace a chance cuz we are broke now.
McCain graduated 5th from the last in a class of nearly 900 from the Naval Academy. He crashed 4 times before being shot down after being in the air for 20 hours. They accepted him for the family's legacy. He was obviously unqualified to be a Navy pilot.

And Sarah, pretty as she is (the news net works have her picture all over my screen as if she is a super model), would be a nightmare of a VP - and it has nothing to do with her stand on reproductive rights.

Did you watch 60 min?


Let's face it, he stands no chance of winning. However, with the
econmy in mind, he would definitely be the guy to fix this horrible situation we find ourselves in. My whole intention in giving my vote to Mr. Nader is this:  I am not going to give up my right to vote, I will be at the polls and I will cast my vote. That being said, I am sick and tired of being lied to and manipulated. I am tired of having my intelligence insulted over and over again by politics as usual in Washington. I will cast a vote and send a message. I know that my tiny vote and its tiny message won't be heard, but I will have satisfaction in knowing that I followed my heart and I did not vote for any Washington liar. We need a change alright and neither McCain or Obama is going to bring it.
Frustrated, are you in a swing state by chance?
I've never had a single call, Republican or Democrat, in my decidedly red state. None of those controversial mailings, either.
When GW Bush became pres, I did give him a chance even though
amazin
You're sarcastically clueless. Any chance you could buy a clue?


If you took a second out of your I love Bush, and nobody else cloud, you would see that we do care about our soldiers, our countrymen.  But, you're so full of the Bush Kool-Aid you can't see straight. Did you even read the article???  You obviously didn't from your response.  Knowledge is a powerful thing.  It's not just liberals feeling this way about Bush and his war, the country is at a divide and more people support his impeachment than those who supported Clinton's impeachment that by the way republicans pursued on their own to defame the president in front of the world any all and any cost. So you can save your do the right thing speech.


If the McCain/Palin ticket has any chance of winning...sm
the election, they need to about face, stop the negativity, stop talking about Obama, and tell the American people how life would be better if he were elected president.  If he doesn't, he does not have a chance. John McCain needs to stop pandering to the religious right and go back to the maverick that he used to be, representing middle America.
Why didn't Clinton kill bin Laden when he had the chance?

If it weren't for uninformed voters, Obama wouldn't have a chance.
Did you happen to catch John Stossel's report on 20/20 last night?
TY! But I only post what I deeply feel, jeez, no one is even giving President O a chance, and rewri
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A vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote. No chance on Earth he can win. sm
Votes for him only take away from the real candidates.
Good post....truth doesn't always sound good
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Good for you! Most people would not recognize good...sm
character if it hit them over the head, just sheep who follow along without thinking for themselves, believing the political pundit spitting out garbage.
Good post - good research (sm)
History does repeat itself at times. I had forgotten about the 50s and Russia.

Very scary times we live in and so many new enemies. This is definitely not a scare tactic but a very clear warning. You can't ignore facts, they are there.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
rasberries
Good point, good post. Thanks.

In 100 years, no one will that's for sure. NM

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Could be, he's never come on TV? Years ago maybe?
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oh, okay, but he followed him for 20 years!
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