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Arlen Specter supported it...

Posted By: PA on 2009-02-14
In Reply to: No pub better support this catasrophe - links inside - Just gotta be me

Makes me proud to be from PA...not. He needs to be beaten in the next election.


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Arlen Specter Switching Parties

Arlen Specter, who has always been the weirdest "Republican" senator, has decided to switch to the Democrats, saying "I now find my political philosophy more in line with the Democrats than the Republicans". 


You're just discovering this, are you Arlen?  The rest of the world has known this for years.  You should read a newspaper now and then. 


Forget about the fundamental ethical problem here - i.e., the betrayal of the voters' trust  that any legislator commits when he runs under one party and then switches horses afterward.  I say "forget about it" because this is only one of the multitude of deceptions that legislators like Specter engage in throughout their careers.  One more ripple in this maelstrom of representational malfeasance is scarcely noticeable any more.  Even a used car salesman is prohibited from pulling bait-and-switch tricks on the public, but then whoever said a Congressman should have as much integrity as a used car salesman?


And, this won't make much difference during the current term either, because Specter was a pretty reliable vote for Obama's socialist programs anyway.  He was one of the three Republicans who broke ranks and cleared the way for the "emergency" (quick - before the voters read it!) funding package and like everyone else who voted for it he did so without reading most of it.


Where this could make a difference (unless Democrat voters in Pennsylvania find Specter's duplicity as disgusting as anyone with moral sense should) is that this boosts his chances of reelection.  As things were shaping up, he was not going to get any support from Republicans or Democrats next time out.  Now, he hopes the Democrats will vote for him - and he'll undoubtedly get a lot of money from Democratic party headquarters that he would never have had from the Republican side because they're sick of him..


Let's really get a clear understanding of what we're talking about here, which is a senator taking the moral low road for the sole purpose of preserving his own position.  It is a raw, naked, and some might even say desperate effort to keep power within his clutches and get himself reelected at any cost, no matter what his actions do to further disgrace Congress - a body that has already lost most of the esteem that Americans once had for it.


Specter will be running for his 6th term and now becomes the best argument - the poster child, in fact  -  for term limits.  Again I say (and would say this regardless of which way Specter was switching) - we MUST get control of the subversion of the political process by people who will do anything - including betraying their own voters - to accumulate and retain power for themselves, and the ONLY way to do this is to impose term limits.


See my post regarding Specter, please.
This is not about Specter "changing his views" or rejecting Republican "extremist" views. He has always been a faux-Republican.

This about one thing, and one thing only - namely, about Arlen Specter doing whatever it takes to get Arlen Specter reelected.
Link to Specter's statement quoted above::
Sorry - it vanished into the ozone: http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/28/specter-had-disavowed-a-switch/
Link to Specter's statement quoted above::
Sorry - it vanished into the ozone: http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/28/specter-had-disavowed-a-switch/
No loss to our side - Specter was never truly a republican
He didn't switch sides because he is "disenchanted" with the republican party. He never voted republican to begin with. He has always been a liberal. When I heard he switched parties at first I thought he switched to be a republican. He was always left, just not as far left as most. He couldn't go too left otherwise suspicion would have been raised a long time ago. So there is no loss to the republican side since he was never really a republican to begin with. He also switched for one main reason. It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative values. It has everything to do with the fact that he does not believe he will be voted for next year as a conservative. He's done this in the past. He used to be democrat, then when he thought he would not be voted for as a democrat he switched to republican. So, he may have switched now, but don't worry, down the road if the democrats don't get voted in he will switch again for the following election.
On 3/17, Specter denied planning to switch. Here's the quote:
(Link provided below)

In a March 17th interview with The Hill, Specter said he absolutely would not switch parties:

"[Democrats] are trying very hard for the 60th vote. Got to give them credit for trying. But the answer is no.

I'm not going to discuss private talks I had with other people who may or may not be considered influential. But since those three people are in the public domain, I think it is appropriative to respond to those questions.

I am staying a Republican because I think I have an important role, a more important role, to play there. The United States very desperately needs a two-party system. That's the basis of politics in America. I'm afraid we are becoming a one-party system, with Republicans becoming just a regional party with so little representation of the northeast or in the middle atlantic. I think as a governmental matter, it is very important to have a check and balance. That's a very important principle in the operation of our government. It's in the Constitution on separation of powers."

Thanks for the civics lecture, Arlen. Apparently this is just another one of those "inconvenient truths" that got to be more than you could actually live with, eh buddy?


First, thank those of you who supported me and supported...

the right to free speech.  Thanks to the moderator for straddling the fence and electing not to ban me.  That said, I will not hide (change my name) and I will not go away.  I will not allow those who are afraid of opposite opinion to stop me from posting mine.  That is not the America I want to live in, and I think it is time that more of us stood up againt bullying tactics.  I am standing.


In deference to those of you who would seek to silence me....I am an Independent and I will post independently.  I will not reply directly to any of you, you can keep your threads all to yourselves.  If I have a rebuttal I will post it separately.  You are free to do as you have been doing without me entering your threads.  That is me, reaching across the aisle.


I will also retract a statement I made yesterday.  I was wrong to lump all Democrats into the same barrel.  As Oldtimer so astutely pointed out, I fell into the same trap I accused others of, and in retrospect and after McCain's speech it became more clear to me.  All Democrats/liberals/progressives are not of the same cloth as what I have experienced on this board.  I apologize for that. 


What I do not apologize for is being a conservative and having conservative values.  Too many of us have been too quiet for too long.  We sat down.  We need to stand up with John and Sarah.  There is nothing wrong with nor to be ashamed about in the way we feel and we are as much entitled to that as liberals are to liberalism.  And part of that is tolerance.  So, as a compromise....


Democrats/liberals, start your threads, and I will not encroach upon them.  I would ask for the same respect from you as I post independently.  There will be no need for you to open any of them or to spend half a page piling on.  I will respect your threads.  Kindly respect others.


As McCain said last night, we are all God's children (even if you don't claim Him, He claims you), we are all Americans.  So let's allow both sides to present views, support their candidates, exercise our right to free speech, have diverging opinions.  I would like to see the America back where I grew up, when the old fellas sat and played checkers in front of the library in town and bantered back and forth about politics, but it was good natured and they were still best of friends.  I miss that.  We need to stop belitting others for where they live or for their religion or the lack thereof.  We need to stop attacking each other, period.  A house divided against itself cannot stand.  We do need to try to be one America again.   No politician can rejoin us.  That is a task we must do ourselves. 


I supported Ron Paul too...but
Ron Paul is not in the race anymore. He was a good candidate and I was behind him 100%. Even he is in agreement with Barack on certain issues (no not all of them but some of them). And yes Hillary does need to step down. She will tear the party apart so much that we will be seeing a win for McBush. She has so much bad baggage attached to her that if she was to win the nomination McBush would win hands down over her. Yes everyone should be allowed to vote but we should also know that there will only be two candidates come election time. If anyone wants to write in someone else and not vote for McCain or Obama then its just a waste. If people think its going to make a difference it won't. Those votes will just go in the trash can.
For those who supported Ron Paul sm

Great article in the Rocky Mountain News. 



Ron Paul has performed a great service for the Republican Party


By Jeff Wright


Thursday, June 26, 2008



Largely unappreciated and attacked by his own Party Congressman Ron Paul has, in fact, done a great service to the Republican Party this election season. Paul enlarged the Republican ‘tent’ to again include disaffected core Republicans, Independents and real Conservatives who have been forced outside that ‘tent’ in the last two decades.


Paul uses classic Republican language to defend that point of view which demands small-government, constitutionally-oriented, fiscally-responsible and true free-market adherents actually be recognized and accommodated, rather than just paying lip-service to those positions.


Most importantly, that message has motivated a generation of young people to join the Party who are technically savvy, constitutionally-smart and extremely enthusiastic about spreading the message of freedom, liberty and free markets. They have been inspired by a candidate who really understands and believes in a Republic and, one would think, be embraced by incumbent Republican Party members.


However that, it seems, is not the case. Too many existing Republicans do not understand the language of those positions any more and can’t speak it in public. It also seems the NeoCon members are intent on forcing out of the party the very people that represent its future. I urge my Republican brothers and sisters to reject such collectivist, herd mentality which is indicative of Democrats while being logically and historically repugnant to Republicans.


In the 1960s and 70s that same “insurgent” group within the party was represented by Goldwater/Ronald Reagan conservatives. For those of you who don’t remember, the “Reaganites” were ostracized and isolated throughout that period right up to the 1980 election, when they were fully embraced. That is why in March of 1980, even former President Gerald Ford was still quoted as saying, “.....the Man is unelectable,” seven months before Reagan was elected President. It is worth noting that Congressman Paul was one of only 4 Congressman who endorsed Reagan in 1976.


However, the Goldwater/Reaganites were never treated as badly as the Paulites have been this season. The NeoCon/establishment faction within the Party has diligently worked to eliminate all true vestiges of the real Reagan Revolution from the party, as exampled by their behavior this election season. They have but one thought: Power and control at any cost. Yet, the record shows they keep losing running against historic principles of the Party.


They are attempting to make stillborn the Paul movement. Why? Because we are strong supporters of the original values of the Party? My friends, we are being weakened further by the poor leadership of that NeoCon faction and its adherents. Check the record.


The results since 2004 have been abysmal. In Colorado, while having a 200,000-vote advantage of registered Republicans over Democrats, we have lost the State Senate and the House, the Governor’s mansion, the Treasurer’s seat and two Congressional seats.


Nationally, we already have lost the US House and Senate and it is nearly a foregone conclusion we will lose 25-30 more House seats and 6-9 Senate seats in November.


In early tests, we have already lost seats in Illinois, Louisiana and Mississippi. Seats that Republicans have held for decades. The damage is mounting. We are CONTINUING to lose Governor’s seats left and right. The Democrats are out-raising us in funding $3 and $4 to one (in Congress $6 to $1) as noted recently by Republican Congressional leaders. The leadership should be forced to explain where it is that we have a winning strategy in constantly compromising our historic principles rather than firmly re-establishing them each generation? That is what the Founders taught.


From McKinley to Taft to Goldwater to Reagan, this Party used to promote and celebrate the core Republican message and historical principles of the Party. That seems to be all but banished from the party, except to pay it lip service. The result of that banishment are, and will be, clearly evident in the election results this November and after. If establishment Republicans persist in ostracizing and obstructing every attempt for the classic Republican message to have a voice in the Party, than who are Republicans, really? I did not spend the last 33 years as a conservative to start voting for liberals. Please join me today in supporting and promoting what should be the real message of the Republican Party in 2008 and beyond. Send the message to the Party leadership that we no longer support any further erosion of this party’s principles! Don’t allow them to keep rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Regardless of whether or not you would ultimately have voted for Congressman Paul, every Republican should have respected the message. That was the Republican way for the first 140 years of this party. At this point, even if he wins, John McCain will likely be another Millard Fillmore presiding over the complete demise of the Whig Party from 1850-54.


 


Well, the pubs supported s/m
the Wall Street bailout didn't they?  Haven't you heard about American Express?  This is the most ridiculous thing this lousy government has ever done.  Big business gets bailed out with our tax dollars and the "small businesses" that Bush says is providing all the new jobs, they either sink or swim on their own.  This is just another way for politicians to feather the nexts of their big business buds.  And what about that economic summit going on in Washington today?  Could it be the creditors of the USA are here to call in their loans?  It is absurd to bail out the auto industry.  Do you think it's going to save jobs?  Well, it won't.  If they are going to get bailed out it should be with a stipulation that all their parts are AMERICAN made.  THAT might save American jobs.  They'll get the bailouts and their employees and the rest of the country will get SCREWED.
I loved and supported
my sister through surgery. It didn't mean we were married. You can love and support anyone. It doesn't make a marriage. A man and a woman who love and support each other and have sexual intercourse to try and conceive or not is what makes a marriage. It's a simple concept that has worked over the centuries and it will continue regardless of homo judges and whining, crying abnormal mental cases who are confused about their sexuality.
Scarborough has not always supported Bush. SM
In fact, I would give him a 50/50 on the Bush support. He is a very vocal opponent more often than not.  Believe it not, not all conservatives stick together.  Will the Bush blame game ever end?
Gee, he was fine with you when he supported Gore
Reminds me of the line from the movie Dune....

"The sleeper has awoken".
Boycott those who supported Prop 8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)


Since Proposition 8 passed, several legal challenges to Proposition 8 have already been filed in California courts, and more than 40 state legislators filed a friend-of-the-court briefs  to support legal efforts to void Proposition 8. A series of protests have spread across California, and are sweeping the country, and now they've moved onto the Internet with blacklists that are outing those who gave money to get Proposition 8 passed.


 Reminiscent of Christian boycotts against companies who supported gay rights, and the ever popular War on _____ boycotts, now gay right activists are calling for the same action.  Several new websites have launched that list all the names and businesses of all the donors. Evidently those who made political donations to Prop8 did not realize that their contributions are a matter of public record... or that publishing those records is legal.


http://electiontrack.com/
http://antigayblacklist.com/


Although I am an Obama supported, John McCain ..sm
was the old John McCain, stupid supporters degrading Obama, and John saying, no, he is a patriotic American that only wants the best for our country, we just don't agree about what is best.  Things were getting very dangerous I think, and I was happy to see him making an attempt to diffuse the situation.
Obama supported the bailout too didn't he?
I respect your right to vote for who you want to, but why is it whenever something negative is said about Obama it is rumor but whenever something negative is said about Mccain it is fact? Shouldn't it go both ways. I mean I'm not dumb, I know that a lot of the mudslinging on both sides is pure crap, but there is some truth to both sides.

I'm praying with you too, but I'm not praying for one candidate over another. I'm just praying that God will put the person HE wants in there and He will work in their heart to help them make the right decisions. But sometimes I fear we may have already pushed God out of our nation to much and we it may be time for the judgment on America, just like what happened to Israel.

No matter who wins, it's time to batten (right word?) down the hatches and start saving and probably start stocking up on canned food! We are in for a llloonnnggg winter!
I supported Obama at first too. Now I'd have to agree with Savage 100%.
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She apparently had no hard feelings. She supported
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Yep, even McCain supported Hillary, that was nice. nm
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The posts on the conservative board were supported by videos. sm
These videos all showed US Soldiers discussing their views on the war.  Much different than something you read in print. I would also like to say that the Military Times is NOT an armed forces newspaper.  It is privately owned and does not in any way speak for the military.  The generals are saying they will resign if we go into Iran. 
I'm a woman, and supported Hillary 'til I heard Obama
I don't pick a candidate by their gender, their color, their name, their religion, or anything else. I pick a candidate by their intelligence, ability to lead, and one whom the rest of the world will be more likely to listen & relate to. After the last 4 years, I've watched big companies get TAX BREAKS and INCENTIVES for shipping our work overseas. I work 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, and I'm close to needing section-8 housing and food stamps because my pay won't get me much in this country, anymore. Ever notice that just about EVERYTHING you buy these days is made in China? Yet try and find those same products made in the USA. Impossible. So no, I want a candidate that I can look up to and be proud of, not one like Dubya, who's made me embarrased to be an American for the past 8 years.
An John McCain supported the secret sale of weapons...sm
to Iran during Iran/Contra to raise money to support the contras in Nicaragua (sp)when Congress refused to fund them. Talk about criminal activity. IRAN I am telling you, Iran! McCain thinks it is OK to keep you and I in the dark and take us from a democracy to a fascist nation for our "own good". Several republican presidents in my lifetime have been guilty of this. We do need fixing. I do not envy anyone who gets elected. I think I would run the other way. It is not going to be easy, but I have hope with Obama and do not trust John McCain.
Maybe if we all supported family planning and free contraceptives - WORLD WIDE - abortion would no l
And I know of not a single person who thinks abortion is "wonderful", only an occasionally necessary evil.
And George supported bigger profits for bigger business and richer people, that was soooo much bette
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