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Wishing Happy Thanksgiving isn't causing trouble. It isn't bringing political views into question.
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Please be careful about generalizing people into categories. I am a Republican and I agree that gay marriage should not be a political issue, as well as many others that seem to be these days. I'm not offended by your remark, just wish more people would get the facts straight before making a comment like that - maybe then the two parties could actually work together to get this country straightened out.
Careful GP
Eloquent speeches...
But, I'll bite my tongue. I'm waiting to see him walk the talk.
BTW...if I'm right...I'm allergic to shellfish, so how about a big juicy steak? :)
Careful what you wish for. We may not have any
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better be careful
they will call you a liar because they dont agree with you. If it goes against what they think, they will not CONSIDER it or PONDER that it COULD be true, it is just a lie. You cant speak badly about Os ideas because they will have a tantrum and stop talking to you after they first tell you you arent allowed to have an opinion.
Be careful.
I tried that tack earlier and got bashed in return. Apparently some people just don't want to try to get along.
Wow..... Be careful.......... sm
lest that ivory tower that you are perched upon tumbles. I don't think I have ever read anything so condescending in my entire life.
Be careful, you are getting too close to
proving your point. Some folks on here don't want to see you do that! Not if it disagrees with their infatuations, even when they know deep inside it is the truth. This dude wrote this junk before the election and Obama loved it! Enough so that he had the man's wife, Beyonce (sp), peform at the inauguration! and Jay-Z was in the guest of honors spectators seats. Racism? Heck NO!
Be careful where you go with that logic
Does that mean that we can safely assume that anyone who believed in Swaggart, Baker, Haggart, or any one of the legion of other evangelical ministers are guilty of not having a true Christian belief or guilty of the same 'crimes' that their ministry leaders were? Guilt by association, while easy, doesn't seem like a very Christian assumption.
Be very careful what you say, Patty. As
the mother of 3 young men, the oldest now 41, who were raised in church being taught the Bible is God's inspired Holy Word. Being their mom, I consider them "good boys." Let me tell you, over 41 years, I have had a pretty healthy diet of words. Unless you have walked in someone else's shoes you have no right to tell that person what you would or would not do because you have no idea what you would do. I'm sure MTTL has shed many tears and prayed many prayers over this. She is no more responsible for her son's sins as an adult as I am for my sons' sins as adults. This does not mean we stop loving them, that would be unnatural love. Please rethink your post.
Careful what you say, God's children might be listening!
The religious right's version of freedom of speech. Scary, huh?
LAWRENCE, Kansas, Dec. 6, 2005 (AP) A Kansas professor whose planned course on creationism and intelligent design was canceled after he sent e-mails deriding Christian conservatives was taken to the hospital Monday following what he said was a beating.
University of Kansas religious studies professor Paul Mirecki told the Lawrence Journal-World that two men who beat him were making references to the class that was to be offered for the first time this coming spring. Originally called Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies, the course was canceled last week at Mirecki's request.
The class was added after the Kansas Board of Education decided to include more criticism of evolution in science standards for elementary and secondary students.
I didn't know them, Mirecki said of his alleged assailants, but I'm sure they knew me.
One recent e-mail from Mirecki to members of a student organization referred to religious conservatives as fundies, and said a course describing intelligent design as mythology would be a nice slap in their big fat face. Mirecki has apologized for those comments.
Lt. Kari Wempe, a spokeswoman for the Douglas County Sheriff's Department, said a deputy was dispatched to Lawrence Memorial Hospital after receiving a call around 7 a.m. regarding a battery.
She said Mirecki reported he was attacked around 6:40 a.m. in rural Douglas County south of Lawrence. Mirecki told the Journal-World he was driving to breakfast when he noticed the men tailgating him in a pickup truck.
I just pulled over hoping they would pass, and then they pulled up real close behind, he said. They got out, and I made the mistake of getting out.
He said the men beat him on the head, shoulders and back with their fists, and possibly a metal object.
Wempe said Mirecki drove himself to the hospital.
Mirecki told the student newspaper, The University Daily Kansan, that he spent between three and four hours at the hospital. He said his injuries included a broken tooth.
I'm mostly shaken up, and I got some bruises and sore spots, he told the Journal-World.
Wempe said Mirecki described the suspects as two white men between 30 and 40 years of age. One of the men was described as wearing a red visor-like ball cap and wool gloves. Mirecki said the men left in a large pickup truck.
Wempe said the department will investigate every aspect, but couldn't discuss specifics.
Andrew Stangl, president of the Society for Open Minded Atheists and Agnostics at the university, described the attack as bizarre and terrifying. He said Mirecki, who is the group's faculty adviser, is adamant that the alleged beating is related to the recently canceled course.
That absolutely shocked me, he said, because people don't do that in a civilized society.
Sen. Kay O'Connor, a Mirecki critic, said there is no excuse for someone physically assaulting the professor - regardless of their politics.
I have zero tolerance for thugs, she said. There is never an excuse to behave in such a manner. This was just thugs. They used a flimsy excuse, if they had one, to behave as thugs. They can talk about the ID (intelligent design) course if they want to, but that's not an excuse.
Sorry, Moderator...I will be more careful in the future.
Thank you for deleting it, thereby letting me know it was inappropriate. Again, I apologize.
Be careful, your ignorance is showing!
What a stupid judgmental thing to say. Once again, proves my point about the quality of people supporting McPalin.
Yeah, JTBB. Be careful what you and the
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Careful, that reactionary streak is showing.
Now,where did anyone say anything about stripping the rich of their money? Nobody said that and nobody meant it either. That's a grossly paranoid and reactionary tack to take when we were only talking about the rich paying their due share back to society. There are plenty of ways that revenue gets used, such as roads that we all use, upkeep of public lands, payments on national debt, etc. Why SHOULDN'T they pay a fair share for the privilege of living here like the rest of us?
And stop being so all-fired snobby about service industry workers. We NEED people doing those jobs. You talk like they're on welfare when clearly they are NOT - not that they don't NEED to be. Sure they can get more education or find different jobs if they want to - Duh! We all can. What are you so high-falutin' about - you're a transcriptionist?? For your information the rich in the industry consider you an overpaid secretary and are working as hard as they can to scrub you off the board with the help of a president who feels there's just too darned much writin' goin'on in the medical industry and if we could just get rid of all that paperwork it would be great!
And for your additional enlightenment, you ought to be aware that the biggest, baddest welfare bloodsuckers in this nation ARE the huge corporations who receive billions of our tax money each year in the form of incentives, government bonuses, relocation grants, production quotas, bankruptcy bailouts etc - all things that none of us taxpayers would ever qualify for. AND, 60% of major US corporations pay as much tax as your BK employee - absolutely *ZERO*. Now you could argue that the govt. handouts to corps. are necessary to stimulate the economy (even though you'd be wrong considering the amount of flimflammery that goes on at the corporate pig trough)but I would say right back at ya that earned income credit is absolutely VITAL to the welfare of American children. I can't think of any tax break that is more important than one that helps parents raise their kids in better conditions.
Seems like the last holdouts are on this very board.
Shelly,
You are not alone with your thoughts... my friends and I have discussed this many times and basically feel the way you do.
Shelly, I am not sure but...
I think it is already a mandate that if a hospital receives government reimbursements (Medicare, Medicaid) then they are required to do those procedures now.
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oh wow, shelly...........sm
and you said you live in Ohio??? Gosh, I sure hope your vote did count. Is there someone you could call to find out before it is too late?
Hi Shelly....sm
Very good post. I too, am quite concerned, at how eerily similar things are going between these two.
One day, the so-called transparency will not be there, and we will wake up a changed nation.
I do not like the path of change I see unfolding. In just seven short days, he is starting to show who he really is.
I have a friend who lives in Japan. The news they get is ALL positive about Obama, and how he is strong leader and going to change the world. The world. The EU thinks he is the answer to their economic woes. The young person who cuts his hair, wishes Japan had such a wonderful leader.
Well, I sent him an e-mail back with some of the things that they DON'T see in the news over there, and my friend was quite surprised. Propaganda is alive and well in the world, at least in Japan. They believe only the rosy future that the U.S. and the world has, now that Obama is the next president.
I get it, Shelly! You are so right.
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Careful, now. Your ignorance and flaming bigotry is showing.
Does this mean that only Zionists are allowed to identify with tragedy? In all the years I have associated with Moslems (both Shia and Sunni), Arabs and Iranians, I have never once encountered any Taliban. The only Nazis/facists I have ever encountered were on this forum (yourself included, though you do not seem to understand the meaning of the term). I confess, I have known a few Sudanese in my time. I encountered Sudanese women during the course of my volunteer work with refugee outreach who were seeking asylum in flight from female circumcision/mutilation. They did not really qualify for your "guerilla" sterotype. Seems to me that Zionists know a thing or 2 about serial killing. Child molesters? No logical context there. You are ranting again. Suicide bombers versus Assault rifles, submachine guns, machine guns, sniper rifles, shotguns, pistols,
Semi-automatics, breach grenades, SWAT rifles, Isherman, Sho't, Magach, Sabra and Merkava tanks, Davidka, Makmat and Soltam M-66 mortars, Soltam, Rascal, Sholef and IDF howitzers, cargo, sea scan, fighter and trainer aircraft, Shaldaq, Dvora and Super Dvora patrol boats, Sa'ar 3, 4 and 5-class missle boats, Sa'ar 5-class corvettes, Gal class and Dolphin submarines, Trophy and Iron Fist protection systems, Flight Guard airborne countermeasures systems, Machbet anti-aircraft weapons, Barak surface-to-air missiles, SPYDER air-defense system, Arrow anti-ballistic missiles, Tactical High Energy Laser, Iron Dome short-range rocket defense system, David's Sling medium-range rocket defense system, B-300 and Shipon shoulder-launched missiles, shoulder-lanched multipurpose assault weapons, FGM-172 SRAWs, MAPATS, Spike, Nimrod and LAHAT ATGMs, Shafrir, Derby and Python air-to-air missiles, Gabriel naval anti-ship missiles, Popeye air-to-surface missiles, LORA theater and Jericho ballistic missiles, Nimda, Trail Blazers, IDF Nagmachon, IDF Nakpadon, IDF Puma, IDF Achzarit, Namer IFV, Nemmera ARV, AIL Storm, Plasan Sand Cat, Wolf Armoured and Golan Armored fighting vehicles, IMI Mastiff, Casper 250, IAI Searcher, IAI Hary, IAI I-View, IAI Ranger, IAI Heron, IAI RQ-2 Hunter, Elbit Skylark, Elbit Hermes and Aeronautics Defense Dominator unmanned fighter vehicles, Typhoon close-in weapon system, Kilshon anti-radiation missile launchers, Caterpillar D7/D9 armored bulldozers, Enhanced Tactical Computers, LITENING targeting pods, Spice EO-GPS PGM guidance kits, Shavit spaceflight launch vehicle, EROS earth observation satellite and Ofeg reconnaissance satellites. Oops, I almost fogot the WMDs, including chemical, biologic and, of course, the nukes.
Many churches want to take away the right to choose. I'm glad you're not one of them. I don't think the government has any business messing in people's private life to begin with. Abortion shouldn't be an issue anyhow. There are too many forms of birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. I think it is just another devisive issue.
I don't believe there is such a thing as a moral politician. Whether people are believers or not, the world would be a better place if people used the Bible as a rule book for life. Who could really argue with the rightness of Jesus' teaching, whether or not they profess to being "Christian" or atheist for that matter.
That is ridiculous, shelly!
I cannot believe you are so easily swayed by right-wing propaganda!
Shelly: Please vote. You don't have
to choose in every single category, but there are state and local levels that also matter, and don't forget those pesky propositions referable to your local tax base and bond issues. If you feel uncomfortable about choosing a particular candidate or not informed enough to choose,then you can skip that one.
Shelly - there are other choices
We've still got over a week til the election. There is a lot you can read up on, and you never know what's going to happen in whatever time is left. I'm not going to say who you should vote for. That is an individual decision you should make. Also note that if you feel very strongly against both candidates there are other choices. Constitutional, Independent, Green party, etc. IMHO, if you want to look on a lighter side of it, just realize that your vote alone if you were to vote for either of them would not be the one that breaks the tie and wins a victory for them, but if you feel very strongly to vote there are other choices. At least you'll feel like you'll have contributed in the voting process but not chosen someone you don't feel strongly against.
Shelly, you're not alone -- sm
I have been discussing this very situation with my husband and close friends. I also am Christian (probably not as faithful as I should be). I supported him in the beginning, up until as recently as a month ago. The more I talked with my friends and read about the prophecies, the more I feared that he is the one the Bible speaks of in Revelations (and not as the messiah). So many of the prophecies seem to be fulfilled, and yet, these same prophecies could have easily been seen to be fulfilled years ago.
I'm more curious as to what your father's thoughts are on these subjects (from a religious perspective). As for me, I need to be able to sleep at night, and if that means voting for McCain, then so be it. I know that when the true Messiah does return on that white horse, I'm going with him. If my vote is borne out of fear, at least it won't be fear of where I'll end up.
discourage you. Keep spreading the word. As a previous O supporter, I knew that he was pro-choice. I did not, however, know to what extreme. I simply thought he chose to support Roe v. Wade, as many do. Had it not been for this board, I never would have researched and found out about the FOCA. There are people on this board who can still be won over. Keep on "harping"!!!
The people who are trying to keep religion out of politics are the same ones trying to keep it out of our schools, our money, and ultimately our homes.
for Shelly: What's wrong with you...
Are you a STALKER?
What for did you pot such a HUGE picture of O's face and eye?
You are scary!
Give it up and do some MTing, but with concentration.
Shelly, just because I tried to help you with spelling, there is
you are very sensitive and I'm sure it is because you are corrected a lot in your job
Don't sweat it Shelly...(sm)
That's just some fool running around trying to start crap. They even called me a racist---and I'm probably the most liberal poster on this board...LOL. They'll get tired sooner or later.
for shelly: I can only go with what is entered
in posted by:.......
I am with you, Shelly. Also, it seems our nation is
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Honestly, Shelly.
You and I almost never see eye to eye on issues (except I agree 100% with your above comment about filibuster) and sometimes the content of sources you post drive me up a wall, but I've been reading your posts long enough to know that you do not typically get nasty and personal and, for the most part, you try to keep yourself out of the attack mode. At least you do a better job of than than I do.
I guess I'm just feeling old, tired, scared and a little sad. Old enough to remember when the country was not so divided. Tired of feeling like I have to be on the defensive all the time and not being able to talk issues instead of constantly having to wade through a mine field of slams and insults when expressing an opposing view. Scared of getting back on the job market after 6 months of unemployment. Sad because I'm missing the good ole days, which I know deep down in my soul will never be coming back.
I forgot frustrated. Frustrated that I find myself full of sarcasm and anger, sometimes for reasons I cannot even understand myself. I've been active in politics since 1966. More than anything, I love a good healthy debate aimed at exchanging differing points of view and oriented toward common ground and goal-setting, destined toward workable solutions. I used to know how to do that and do it well. Now I'm not so sure I will ever regain that part of myself and I really, really miss that one simple pleasure. Any suggestions?
Careful! Some neocon troll might twist your post into a threat!!! Shelly, what a beautiful answer! sm
It shows you have had time to come to conclusions, not just answering off the cuff like me. Good for you!
It is scary Shelly. And sad. I don't know what is going to happen either sm
All we can do is pray. I had no idea it had gotten that bad even in the military.
to shelly: Can't you give it a rest?
Are you obsessed with the idea to catch our President-elect in an evil act? What's wrong with you?
President-elect has the right to actions WITHOUT divulging every little petty detail IMMEDIATELY to the press and the people.
After all he is the President-elect and the majority of the people voted for him, not only here in the US, globally he was sponsored as the future President of the United States.
SHOW SOME RESPECT and look for something else to keep you occupied. Good old Shelly, can dish it out but can't take it
funny !!!! I think the other person was just trying to help and Shelly and Kendra, both cannot spell.... but they jumped crazy like right off the bus from crazytown..looney tunes
No, Shelly, we're not *cramming away*...(sm)
If we were, I would post the same kind of rhetoric that you guys do on this board. How many times have christians on this board defended the pro-life stance and other political ideas with the Bible? I can't even count them. If I were *cramming away* like you guys do, then I would post my real feelings when things like that come up. For example....there is no god, so why should our politics be subject to a philosophy interpreted from a 2000-year-old ghost story? I would also post the name *christian* in a derogatory manner, the same way you guys do with the name *athiest.* I haven't posted things like that on the political forum out of respect for others who do not believe as I do. Meanwhile, I am constantly harrassed on here because of my beliefs by christians, which usually include some kind of biblical verse, BTW. There is no such thing as the term *fair* when it comes to christianity. It comes with the idea of my way or no way. You want to raise cane about a bus sign with an athiest content, but it's okay for the rest of us to have to put up with all the christian crap that is EVERYWHERE. That's not compromise, it's not equality, it's not freedom of religion....it is pure and unadulterated abuse of power by christians. You guys scream foul play when it comes to any other advertisement besides your own, but we are just supposed to stand by and take what you dish out.....the perfect example being the catholic commercial, which not only pushes religion, but also pushes the christian ideology into politics. Give me a break.
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