Because it's disgusting, Gitmo makes us look like
Posted By: a third world country. on 2009-01-14
In Reply to: Why are you happy about this? Why would be want - to move these terror suspects here? NUTS!.nm
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And were they sent to Gitmo?
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And if they came to Gitmo...(sm)
and were innocent, believe me, after the blatent torture and mistreatment, I'm sure they will hate us as well. In other words, all Bush did by opening Gitmo and using torture was create a breeding ground for hate. But I guess that's Obamas fault too?
Gitmo is going down...yeah! (sm)
Does anyone know exactly what planet Bush is from? He seems to be in his own little world. It's times like this you wonder exactly how did such an idiot ever get elected. LOL
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#28629277
glad gitmo is
going down, but I really want Bush and Cheney to be tried for war crimes. This is a dilemma for Obama - we have many, many issues to work on, but to allow the atrocities to go unpunished does not sit well with me. Let's have some trials, Mr. Holter.
Gitmo Torture
This will undoubtably shake some things up. If the detainees' trials cannot proceed because the "enhanced interrogation techniques" authorized by the Bush administration have tainted the process so much that prosecutors cannot proceed in some of their cases, what happens now?
"We tortured [Mohammed al-]Qahtani," said Susan J. Crawford, in her first interview since being named convening authority of military commissions by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates in February 2007. "His treatment met the legal definition of torture. And that's why I did not refer the case" for prosecution.
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Crawford, 61, said the combination of the interrogation techniques, their duration and the impact on Qahtani's health led to her conclusion. "The techniques they used were all authorized, but the manner in which they applied them was overly aggressive and too persistent. . . . You think of torture, you think of some horrendous physical act done to an individual. This was not any one particular act; this was just a combination of things that had a medical impact on him, that hurt his health. It was abusive and uncalled for. And coercive. Clearly coercive. It was that medical impact that pushed me over the edge" to call it torture, she said.
And a serious question from me about Gitmo
If it's closed, where will the terrorists go? Our regular jails that would not be able to handle them. Leave them free in our own country to terrorize? Home to their own country? Did you know that some countries do not want to accept them back?
Did you know that some of the terrorists that were freed and sent home were captured a second time trying to kill our troops?
Shall this country be subjected to suicide bombings because Gitmo is closed? I don't think so. I don't agree with prisoner torture BUT what do you think has been happening since WWII? It's okay for other countries to torture our servicemen and women, but not okay for us to do it?
It's a double standard.
Why did O shut down Gitmo? Bet it is not
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What do you think - GITMO idea
How about this - we remove the terrorist/prisons from GITMO and move them to other prisons throughout the country. Then send all the crooked politicians, bankers, and people who are receiving bail-outs and turning around and taking holiday's with the money and going to spa's, and not using the bail outs on what they are for, etc. - send them to GITMO. - just a suggestion.
The people who are in Gitmo
are there because they were turned in by their own people or their names were given during interrogation. Yes, there may be some who are innocent but aren't there also some people in prisons who were covicted and are innocent. That happens. This is war and in war....you can take no chances.
Did we not put Japanese people into concentration camps during war? Did we not drop a bomb on two Japanese cities and totally destroy them with the A-Bomb? I don't recall administrations going back against previous administrations for those actions. It was war......just like now. This is war. Terrorists have set off bombs at the WTC. They blew a hole in the USS Cole. They took down both WTC towers and hit the pentagon with one plane going down before making it to its destination, which was suspected to be the White House. They want to continue more attacks on us and you are worried about waterboarding a prisoner who might potentially know information that could save American lives. You would much rather let them go or not "torture" them and not find out any new intelligence to save Americans and stop potential attacks?
Didn't we ridicule Bush for not seeing 9/11 coming? There were warnings. We were up his butt for not putting the intelligence together and thwarting the attacks on that day. So when he turned around and decided to interrogate prisoners for more information, now you hate him for doing that too. You can't have it both ways people. Terrorists want us dead and they will continue to plot and execute their attacks on us. Will it not sink in until, God forbid, you or someone you love is killed by them? They have no compassion for us. I can guarantee you that they are laughing at us for our soft interrogation process. They think we are weak and now we have given them more fuel to get more people to join their cause by making CIA memos public as well as pictures. Obama has made our military and all Americans more unsafe with his stupid stunt.
If he continues to pursue this witch hunt, I hope to God it nails all the dems who didn't seem to have a problem with this in the past either and that includes Pelosi. If they are going to take down Bush and Cheney, they best nail the dems who didn't say anything and knew about it. If they are going down, they all better go down. I have lost any respect I had for Obama when he made this public. We are at war and these childish blame games are going to get more Americans killed. Shame on him!
The people who are in Gitmo
are there because they were turned in by their own people or their names were given during interrogation. Yes, there may be some who are innocent but aren't there also some people in prisons who were covicted and are innocent. That happens. This is war and in war....you can take no chances.
Did we not put Japanese people into concentration camps during war? Did we not drop a bomb on two Japanese cities and totally destroy them with the A-Bomb? I don't recall administrations going back against previous administrations for those actions. It was war......just like now. This is war. Terrorists have set off bombs at the WTC. They blew a hole in the USS Cole. They took down both WTC towers and hit the pentagon with one plane going down before making it to its destination, which was suspected to be the White House. They want to continue more attacks on us and you are worried about waterboarding a prisoner who might potentially know information that could save American lives. You would much rather let them go or not "torture" them and not find out any new intelligence to save Americans and stop potential attacks?
Didn't we ridicule Bush for not seeing 9/11 coming? There were warnings. We were up his butt for not putting the intelligence together and thwarting the attacks on that day. So when he turned around and decided to interrogate prisoners for more information, now you hate him for doing that too. You can't have it both ways people. Terrorists want us dead and they will continue to plot and execute their attacks on us. Will it not sink in until, God forbid, you or someone you love is killed by them? They have no compassion for us. I can guarantee you that they are laughing at us for our soft interrogation process. They think we are weak and now we have given them more fuel to get more people to join their cause by making CIA memos public as well as pictures. Obama has made our military and all Americans more unsafe with his stupid stunt.
If he continues to pursue this witch hunt, I hope to God it nails all the dems who didn't seem to have a problem with this in the past either and that includes Pelosi. If they are going to take down Bush and Cheney, they best nail the dems who didn't say anything and knew about it. If they are going down, they all better go down. I have lost any respect I had for Obama when he made this public. We are at war and these childish blame games are going to get more Americans killed. Shame on him!
Hey BB, what happened with O and Gitmo?
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The O is speaking right now about GITMO and
the photos, national security, and transfer of prisoners.
Thinking about Gitmo...
As a purely political move, Candidate Obama - who knew nothing about the real problems - promised to close Gitmo and signed that order on his first day in office.
1. Why close Gitmo? The main reason given is that Gitmo is a "rallying cry" for jihadists. I have not seen the slightest shred of evidence offered to support this mantra, which has become the poster child for the truism that if you repeat something often enough people will believe it.
2. Even if true, Obama does not explain why "The Shoe" (SHU = secure housing unit) in Michigan, for example, wll not simply become the new rallying cry, especially given that the Gitmo prisoners will find that conditions in a SHU are much more harsh than they had in Gitmo, which has been called "Club Fed".
3. The point is made that no one has escaped from "The Shoe". So what? No one has escaped from Gitmo either.
4. What Obama knows (because experts have told him) is that escaping is not the issue anyway. A prison on the American mainland is much more subject to an attack from the outside - such as an airplane being flown into it (some might remember the little incident on 9/11?) - than is the case with Gitmo. If the attack kills some of the terrorists housed there, they will simply be martyrs. The purpose of the attack would not be to break them out, but to destroy the prison and make a statement to the world about terrorist capabilities.
5. The town or city where the SHU is located will also make a lovely target for terrorists. Or, perhaps they'll murder some of the guards who live in the town. They do not have this capability with Gitmo.
There is no absolutely level on which closing Gitmo makes even the slightest bit of sense and most Americans know this. What this amounts to is nothing more or less than subjugating national security for purposes of shameful, irresponsible political grandstanding.
Impeach Obama now.
That's disgusting.
“We haven't even buried the dead yet, and they're trying to pin the untold lives and livelihoods lost on an opponent for political gain.”
There does not seem to be any cellar-bottom slime pit these conservatives won't wallow on if they can find it. It never occurs to these subhuman slugs that the outrage over poor performance by this administration - to put it mildly - is occurring because PEOPLE ARE DYING. They can't forget their own selfishness and blind leader-worship for even one week. It's truly a disgusting and, we hope, branding behavior they will never live down.
Day after day after day, people have no food, no water, no place to go, no information. They are forced to sit in the sun under armed guard while their babies and old people die. Even when they get lucky and get on a bus and get to Houston, they are turned away and told to go elsewhere.
Let's face it, conservatives, your bumbling leader and his incompetent crony appointees have made a terrible disaster umpteen times worse. Condi goes out shoe-shopping while Americans bake to death on swamped pavement. Meanwhile Bush smirks into the camera and declares we could NEVER have forseen the consequences. Please. Perhaps his worshippers are that stupid. The rest of us are not. That has nothing to do with politics - we all want those people to get the help they need. We don't want to hear stupid excuses or lectures. Help them for God's sake. Stop covering your political tail ends and blaming the victims for the government's failings. How long are you going to wait???
Yes, very disgusting.
It's a shame your lawyer was afraid to go public. My guess is he wanted to continue to work and understood how dirty politics work.
I hope, if you see any public similar examples of what happened to you, that you go public in support of the victim, since we all know how they love to Swiftboat those who expose their wrongdoings.
Disgusting
What a disgusting comment.
Disgusting!
How can Obama say that the Democratic party needs the Clinton's so badly? All they've done is given Democrats a bad name! What they need to do is kick the Clinton's out of the party and forget they ever existed! As far as Bill's behavior - doesn't surprise me - someone finally told him NO and they only way he knows how to handle it is to pout like a 3-year-old. Pathetic!!
How disgusting
Insituating that someone is racist or prejudiced simply because they say someone scares them? Grow up!
Disgusting is right...........sm
It is disgusting to me that people cannot see through Obama's platform. There will be NO ice cream!!!
Truly disgusting
I caught this either last night or the night before. It's one of those videos that you say just have to say "no, she didn't just say that did she?" For those who can't take the condescending elitist propaganda bore Keith Olberfool, Mz. Garofool's rant starts at section 3:02. I watched the first portion of the video cos I used to love him, but now it confirms why I don't watch him anymore. He spreads fear and paranoia and nothing he has to say has a shred of truth to it.
There are a lot of comments below the video that are an excellent read.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/16/garofalo-outdoes-herself-tea-parties-all-about-white-power-says-d-lister/
I read a post below about some petition to sign. If anyone should be denounced it is Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Anderson Cooper and anyone else who uses the derogatory term for the people who supported the tea party calling us "teabaggers". Anyone who uses that term should be fired. As I watched the two stations the other day (which was hard to do without throwing up) I have never heard so much negativity in I don't know how long, well I guess since I stopped watching them last summer.
I know they've got the lowest ratings on the air and all I say is if they keep up what they are doing I'm looking forward the the elections in 2010 when people will say enough is enough and vote out the democrats who are taking our country down. So I guess I should be happy with what they are doing. If they keep it up 2010 is going to be a great year for the republicans.
Disgusting isn't it.
The amount of money that we spend on people who aren't even citizens and yet our government keeps knocking down American citizens. Not only is it not fair but it is just downright wrong. If they want to live and work in the USA, they need to become citizens and pay their taxes, etc. Companies hiring illegals should also be fined huge bucks so they stop this BS.
Truly disgusting...but also very
It's not just Tennessee Republicans...
There is NOTHING to compare what has happened to anyone at Gitmo...
to what happened at the Hanoi Hilton. We do NOT torture anyone in that manner. Have you ever read what happened to McCain during that time? Have you seen pictures of what the man looked like when he came back??
Closing Gitmo is also a priority.
It will reduce the cost to the taxpayer of holding these suspects indefinitely and, more importantly, be a significant step in restoring our international standing. The only question will be whether or not the creation of a new court system to process these suspects come to pass.
This may surprise you, but most presidents multitask and can work on more than one issue a day. His administration will address your concerns too. Our domestic and international dilemmas must all be addressed. Although this is not important to you, it is to many who voted for him.
Good!!! They need to close Gitmo (sm)
You might want to also check out how many innocent people have been taken to Gitmo only to be tortured and killed. Nice example we're setting for the world huh? If any other country did that we would be screaming bloody murder. They not only need to bring the prisoners here and put them through a fair trial, but they also need to round up the ones responsible for Gitmo and add them to the list of criminals -- I say we start with Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush.
If that is what it takes to close Gitmo
I think you are the one that does not get it.
I'm thrilled that he is closing Gitmo!
This is just the first step in undoing the damage that George Bush has done! Can't wait to see what President Obama will do next!
Gitmo was Bush's baby......
That pile of feces just exited the building - you get over it. The people held in Gitmo did not blow up the USS Cole. Christ.
All of it. Hello. Closing Gitmo is not the end of the story.
This subject has been exercise all morning long below. Care to speculate on just why there is a review of operations of Gitmo and what the intent is behind that review? You cannot exercise a debate on a subject where policy on the issue is YET TO BE DETERMINED.
The 4 guys let go from Gitmo to Bermuda
Boy, they have a really nice place complete with swimming pool. They are wearing Addidas sneakers, too.
They said they were never terrorists and that China was the worse interrogaters, not the U.S. They laughed when asked if they ever met Bin Laden.
They guys are really happy now that they are free and living in paradise.
Oh, sure, but O can close Gitmo without a plan.
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It is a disgusting post
But it's not lies. He did cheat on his first wife many times before he cheated on her with Cindy McCain. He's running as a conservative with family values. I don't believe he has those values.
As for the the last paragraph, I apoligize because it is offensive. I don't believe he was checking out Sarah Palin's butt either and I should have been more careful and taken that part of it out.
The only thing more disgusting
First off John is not married to his first wife anymore. Were you there to know what they was going through? You don't even know what his first wife did to him or what he did to her. Who made you judge and jury?
Second Bill Clinton cheated on Hillary many many times (more than McCain on his first wife), but your okay with that.
Third, John is married to Cindy (his second wife) and he has not cheated on her. They've been married for 28 years and he describes her as "lovely, intelligent, and charming". Now there's a proper gentleman if you ask me! He's running with family values which they have. They have 7 children to include a girl they adopted from Bangladesh at a time when this child needed all the love and family she could get. John stood by Cindy's illness every day and with his help she was able to recover. He never once let her down and he said he is very proud of her that she made it through it. The ups and downs they have been through together as a couple and the children they raised and gave everything they could make them stronger as individuals and these are positive family values.
Third, when info is brought to light about Obama and what he has done you'll be the first to go on the attack "that was a long time ago, that's been disputed, blah, blah, blah", but then you'll bring up something in the way past about McCain and act as though it just happened yesterday.
As for the remarks about he left his wife because she wasn't pretty anymore from the accident. Give me a break. That's not why he left her. Oh it does't make for an interesting story for the liberals. But there was more to the break up of their first marriage than just "she wasn't pretty anymore". C'mon now, you can't actually believe that!
Thanks for the apology of the "looking at her butt" comment. That was about as id!otic a statement than if I was to say "Oh look, Obama was glaring and staring at Carolyn Kennedy's chest" when he just happened to be looking down. And I'm sure I could find some film clip to back up that.
your arrogance is disgusting
you have no idea where this poster is now. She and her hubby have worked hard for years. Maybe where they are now is: own home, no debt, able to live comfortably without needing to rely on anyone but themselves. Maybe they raised a family. And furthermore, being a "typist" as you say is making an honest living. you have a problem with that? At least they are not waiting for someone else to take care of them. Where they are now is people who can be proud of their lives and what they have done. Too bad you are too small minded to see that.
Disgusting sums it up better. n/m
That is absolutely disgusting
what ever happened to the value of human life???
Seriously, what has this world become?
Pretty disgusting if you ask me
I thought the whole world was going to end if they didn't get their bail-out. Key point: Union leaders summoned to Detroit to make concessions. Lower wages for American workers and the auto employees never made $70 an hour to begin with. Guess they can look forward to wages competing with Mexican wages.
I know! Such a disgusting state! nm
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Groan: What can I say? It's disgusting
It wasn't worth putting our great-grandchildren into debt. I'm sorry but I doubt it will work. Nothing has worked so far.
The crap in that package isn't worth the paper it's written on. It's not going to "save our economy." It's going to make it worse. There's nothing in there that will help most of us.
Just my opinion.
Thanks for posting - they are all disgusting
This spending has gotten way out of hand. How can any president (past and present) dictate to the American people that we have to make sacrifices when they do not.
If they are supposed to be leaders then shouldn't they lead by example.
Just because a previous president spent money he shouldn't have doesn't mean current presidents should be able to get away with it. As my mama used to say "If they jumped off a bridge would you do it too?" (Smart words mama).
We've got 2 wars going on (2 that I'm aware of), and a depression hitting our country. I'd have more respect if Obama would come out and say to America -
"Look, we are in the middle of a war (or two), and a financial crisis here in our own country. American citizens across the country are losing their jobs, homes, health care. Some are going hungry. Some have no place to live. Now is not the time for our government to be spending excessively. How are we supposed to be respected if we spend uncontrollably using taxpayers money for our personal pleasure. Even if we were to receive a private donation to hold a party, we will not out of respect for all Americans. We will use the donation provided to help stimulate the economy and create jobs. From now on we will not be hosting weekly "cocktail" parties for my staff and the Washington politicians. We will however, have special occasion parties and dinners for foreign dignitaries when they come to our country. The money that is spent on the parties that only pleasure ourselves will be put back into the economy to stimulate and grow jobs". Yes, I would respect him much more. I also remember some speech he gave about the helicopter issue and he said something about since he's never had a helicopter before what is available to him now is better than what he had (I remember a lot of journalists laughing and I did too), but now I understand he's changed his mind and spending money on new helicopter or refurbishing or something. Haven't personally read about it, just bits of news pieces here and there.
Here's something I would respect him even more for and I could probably even stomach his weekly parties, is if he opened part of the white house grounds each month and had a big BBQ for the homeless and hungry, and offered them a tour of the white house.
Seeing as a lot of people on the board were screaming and crying about people not wanting to give to others who need it, I would be more than happy to know my taxpayers money is going to help feed the hungry and offer them a little entertainment once a month or so.
Amen to that, disgusting. nm
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It was disgusting to watch for sure!!!
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You're disgusting!
It's people like you who give pro-choicers a bad name. You come off looking not just callous, but ignorant of basic reality. Hello! Did you have any training at all about anatomy and physiology before you became an MT? Or did you just take a typing class?
Tiller would perform an abortion up until the moment the baby's feet were delivered (assuming you had $5000 bucks).
According to you, this new human being has "NOthing. Nothing at all. Zip. Nadda. There is no ability to form thoughts."
Why? Because his mother didn't want him?
So your definition of when humal life starts is wholly determined by how much his mother wants him?
Do you see how preposterous your comment is?
As far as your ridiculous statement "Pain may be present but of course temporarily" - well, that also goes for Tiller the Baby Killer. So, according to you, his execution was hunky dory because his pain was only 'temporary.' You know, like burning at the stake or being hung from a tree or being in a Nazi gas chamber. Yep. All temporary. What a pathetic attitude you have.
You make it impossible for people to listen to the pro-choice debate, because you insist that a newborn is nothing but a lump of tissue - even at 40 weeks.
What a sad little view on life you have. Why would anyone listen to you? You're exactly why people with empathy and intelligence refuse to support abortions.
Funny. "Now mind your own business" is exactly what Dr. Menglee would have said. You're in fine company there, my dear.
More Republican Disgusting
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/17/tennessee-republican-racist-email/
More Disgusting Democrat
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/16/obama-extend-health-care-benefits-gay-partners-federal-employees/
Gitmo contains Al Qaeda and Taliban terrorists.
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Yeah, and the closing of Gitmo could be disastrous.
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I'm thrilled at what Obama is doing with GITMO, are you kidding?
It's a human rights issue ya'll.
Yes, I suppose you've spoken with all of Gitmo
they have told you personally they are ALL INNOCENT......pure as the driven snow....
please stop regurgitating
And by the way, while you're so busy informing yourself, you need to check out old lady Pelosi.....she's about to take away Obama's power to make any presidential decisions.......you up to date on that one? And now, even the most butt head democrats are beginning to open their eyes to her!
Gitmo -- bringing this up top cause I'm just lazy and don't want to scroll.
Obama told George Stephanopoulos at ABC News:
"We are going to close Guantanamo and we are going to make sure that the procedures we set up are ones that abide by our Constitution."
I'm sorry, but those being held at Gitmo are not citizens of the United States; therefore, are not entitled to any protection under the Constitution. Why not say 'abide by the Geneva Convention'? Even then, how many of our POWs were treated as outlined in the Geneva Convention? Let's not forget, this is a war and these terrorists are POWs. President Bush sought to protect the citizens of this country whatever the cost. After the awful events of 9/11, it was his priority. The world needs to know if you target the U.S. there are consequences.
And I want to know where they are going to put these 250 or so terrorists? I live 50 miles from Fort Leavenworth and that's a little too close for comfort for me. I assume some will be released to return to their country where, of course, they will plot their next terrorist attack. While others will be housed in federal facilities like Leavenworth and then what? We sit them down for tea and crumpets and ask them nicely if they plan on blowing anything else up here in America?
How quickly Americans have forgotten the victims and families of 9/11!
That's true - Bush did want to close Gitmo -
but all of the countries screaming about how unfair the detainees were being treated wouldn't take any of them. I just pray that wherever Obama decides to send them, they don't get out and take revenge on us. I don't really care how bad that would look on Obama - it would not be good for America to have another attack, that's all I care about.
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