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Better to kill it....?? sigh. nm

Posted By: sam on 2008-08-23
In Reply to: What about it? It ain't his body. - sm

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Okay to kill one but not the other?

I heard her on Sean Hannity's radio show a few days ago. 


Another real dandy is that Killer the Baby Killer in Kansas.


This so-called pro-choice types are the same ones who tore into Joe Horn for killing an illegal thug who was threatening private property.  Diane Sawyer is only one of these utopian elites.


Funny how the twisted logic of the left works.


Who have they threatened to kill?

I'm serious.  WHO?  I honestly don't know because I don't listen to them, either.  But if they have aired similar threats upon a group of people, then I believe they are equally wrong.


If you are offended by my liberal beliefs being posted on the LIBERAL BOARD, then perhaps you would feel more comfortable on the Conservative Board.  Just a thought.


He did kill his own people
Hundreds of mass graves prove it.  Saddam's sons killed their own people for bloodsport.
To Kill an American...sm
Disclaimer: Not sure if this is a true story or not, but it is a great write.

To Kill an American

You probably missed it in the rush of news last week, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American.


So an Australian dentist wrote an editorial the following day to let everyone know what an American is . So they would know when they found one. (Good one, mate!!!!)


An American is English, or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, Polish, Russian or Greek. An American may also be Canadian, Mexican, Puertorican, South American, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Asian, or Arab, or Pakistani or Afghan.


An American may also be a Comanche, Cherokee, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, Seminole or one of the many other tribes known as native Americans.


An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim.
In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan . The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them chooses.


An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.


An American lives in the most prosperous land in the history of the world.
The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence , which recognizes the God given right of each person to the pursuit of happiness.


An American is generous. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need, never asking a thing in return.


When Afghanistan was over-run by the Soviet army 20 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country!


As of the morning of September 11, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor in Afghanistan . Americans welcome the best of everything...the best products, the best books, the best music, the best food, the best services. But they also welcome the least.


The national symbol of America, The Statue of Liberty , welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the people who built America .


Some of them were working in the Twin Towers the morning of September 11, 2001 earning a better life for their families. It's been told that the World Trade Center victims were from at least 30 different countries, cultures, and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.


So you can try to kill an American if you must. Hitler did. So did General Tojo, and Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung, and other blood-thirsty tyrants in the world. But, in doing so you would just be killing yourself. Because Americans are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an American.
Thou shall not kill
If we follow your logic, then we better not remove warts or cancer growths, either. They are both alive and growing.
Regardless, this means we kill them all?
It is their right to live the way they chose. We can't go attacking every one who is a possible threat on more levels than I'm going to go into here. I would rather see our leaders spend the time and money on securing things here rather than wage war there. We are just formulating more hatred. We CAN change whether we are the ones in the war by not going to war, and I shall not blindly trust our leaders to do the right thing because it has been proven time and again that they rarely do.
Geez. You kill me....
however, I do like the moniker "spiteful little vixen." I may get stationery printed.

Good grief...you are the one exhibiting intolerance and hatred...yikes, someone must have spit in your post toasties this morning!!

You have slipped off the deep end, my friend. I don't know what cliches you mean, but if you are talking about the prayer at the top that was sincere...try to get hold of this, although your monster ego may not allow you to...there are OTHER posters here who live in South Texas or have family there, perhaps some I don't even know about, that was posted out of genuine concern and although I think you are several bricks shy of a load, I don't want to see you blown off the face of the earth, and whether you can get off your high horse down here to where there is enough air for your brain to work properly, I don't want illegals blown off the face of the earth either. I just want them to obey the law, come here legally, pay taxes like the rest of us and live happily ever after. And for that you want me tarred and feathered. Go figure.

And now that I have ascended to your level of sniping (thank you, I am learning much from you about verbal abuse), here's hoping I never do again...you have that area well covered.

What happened to that sabbatical? Gotta have the last word...sister, you got it. LOL. Signed, the spiteful little vixen....LOL
You got it, Sam.... and socialism will kill our
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Don't kill people in other
countries where terrorists are plotting against use....but by all means let viable infants die if they are failed abortions because it would be detrimental to the mother's health for her child to survive after she tried to murder it. 
Ah. Okay to kill a child rather than own up to ...
responsibility. I see. Why not just force feed "the pill" from the time a girl reaches menarche. Better than killing the "mistakes" from "raging hormones" along the way. If you can't teach responsibility, and don't intend to make them responsible...put them on the pill.
pay to kill people?
what an awful thing to say about our men and women who are put in harm's way every day
they are doing theiR JOB, you are saying we are paying them to kill??? no we are paying them to do their job... and that is what they are doing!

you should be ashamed of that statement
We don't kill an adult
when they are found to have terminal cancer. Why then should we kill a baby who is terminal? No logic there whatsoever.
Germany didn't kill
The whole fricken country didn't kill jews - the leadership of that country did!!!!! Just like every Muslim is not a terrorist, every person who lives south of Maryland is not a red neck. I don't agree with prosecuting Rumsfeld for Murder, but let's keep the bigotry off the liberal board and take it back over to the conservative board where it is welcome.
Relax. It is the law. You are free to kill at will...
does not make it right.
They support NRA so you can kill the guy who rapes you but
xx stupid you are
Obama's plan will KILL our economy. You think
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Palin says kill all polar bears
and ship all MT jobs overseas
No. Obama will kill jobs with his tax plan.
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We do not purposely kill, cut off heads, torture.
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Are you okay with police shooting a man who's about to kill his wife?
I'm sure you are, unless you're really as nutz as I think you are.

So...'Splain the difference to me, Lucy! The justification is precisely the same regarding a terrorist who's planning to kill thousands - except MORE SO.

You pathetic boob.
Thou shall not kill applies to unborn babies. sm
They are alive, no matter how many pretty pictures you try to paint about it.  They are life, God's life. 
The plot was to first kill 88 black children in a school...
then to behead 14 other non-white children and then make an attempt, that they did not expect to be fruitful, to kill Obama. These were skin heads and I think that the greater point was that they were trying to kill children. I am clearly conservative and I think the whole thing is disgusting, but certainly not McCain's or Palin's fault. I am sure they find it dispicable, as well!
Why didn't Clinton kill bin Laden when he had the chance?

We KILL violent criminals; apparently some think unborn children are the
criminals as they are murdered as well.

Sad.
19 Republicans vote in favor of amnesty for those who kill our soldiers.

In the Senate today, 19 Senators voted that it was okay for the Iraqi government to give amnesty to anyone known to have attacked, killed or injured American soldiers, and every single one of them was a Republican.  I guess this is an example of how Republicans *support* the troops.  The only one that truly surprises me is McCain.  He must have lost his mind since he began pandering to those who believe they are Bush's *base.*


Vote Summary:
Question: On the Amendment (Nelson (FL) Amdt. No. 4265 )
Vote Number: 178 Vote Date: June 20, 2006, 03:27 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Agreed to
Amendment Number:S.Amdt. 4265 to S. 2766 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 )
Statement of Purpose: To express the sense of Congress that the Government of Iraq should not grant amnesty to persons known to have attacked, killed, or wounded members of the Armed Forces of the United States.
Vote Counts
: YEAs 79
NAYs: 19
Not Voting: 2


Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State
Grouped By Vote Position


NAYs ---19
Allard (R-CO)
Bond (R-MO)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Hagel (R-NE)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
McCain (R-AZ)
Sessions (R-AL)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thomas (R-WY)
Warner (R-VA)


Not Voting--- 2
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Shelby (R-AL)


YEAs ---79
Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Dayton (D-MN)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Ensign (R-NV)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Frist (R-TN)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Salazar (D-CO)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wyden (D-OR)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/06/20/19-gop-senators-vote-agai_n_23445.html


What? Like those classless Americans who spouted KILL HIM towards O at GOP events pre election? nm
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Afghanistan - war on Al Quaeda and Taliban; Iraqi FREEDOM - kill Saddam Hussein
Two different wars based on entirely different premises.........
Europe - Swastika vigilantes kill foreign students to keep their city 'clean' ...see article.












Swastika vigilantes kill foreign students to keep their city 'clean'


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THE African students did not even see the man raise the swastika-emblazoned shotgun as they emerged from the Apollo nightclub in St Petersburg.

When he opened fire from the shadows behind them, some of the group thought it was a firecracker going off.









Then they saw Samba Lampsar Sall, a 28-year-old student from Senegal, lying dead on the pavement with his throat blown apart.

Within hours, a sinister message had appeared on the website of a group called the Party of Freedom. “The clean-up of the city continues,” it said.

Mr Sall had come to study at St Petersburg’s State Communications University in 2001 in the hope of finding a better life when he went back home.

Instead, around dawn yesterday, he became the latest victim of a hate campaign by neo-Nazi extremists on the streets of Russia’s cultural capital.

“How can people be so evil?” asked Michael Tanobian, an African student who was with Mr Sall when he was killed. “We come here just to study, for nothing else. We don’t take anything here.”

Mr Sall’s brutal murder exposes one of Russia’s most disturbing problems as President Putin prepares to host the G8 summit in St Petersburg in mid-July. For all its grandeur and impressive art collections, Russia’s second city is fast becoming the racist capital of the world.

Critics say that the authorities are not doing enough to combat the extremists who routinely attack, and kill, Africans, Asians and immigrants from the Caucasus or Central Asia.

Seven people have been killed, and 79 injured, in more than 40 racist attacks this year, according to Sova, a non-governmental organisation that monitors extremism in Russia.

Last year, 28 people were killed and 366 injured in racially motivated crimes, it says.

The Interior Ministry sent a team of special investigators from Moscow to work on yesterday’s murder. The Foreign Ministry expressed “sincere condolences to the relatives and loved ones of the deceased”. The Prosecutor’s Office said that the case was being treated as a racist killing.

But dozens of similar cases have been treated as “hooliganism”, a crime that carries a far lighter sentence. One of the most shocking attacks occurred in 2004, when teenagers stabbed to death a nine-year-old Tajik girl in St Petersburg. Last month, a court convicted them of hooliganism, giving six of them 18-year jail sentences and one of them five years.

Desire Defaut, chairman of the local community group African Unity, urged Mr Putin to lead the fight against neo- Nazism. “They must make an announcement at a state level that such a problem exists and state organs must work on it,” he said. “We can’t say they are doing enough if there are two attacks within one week.”

Last week, the nine-year-old daughter of a Russian woman and her African husband was wounded in a knife attack in St Petersburg. “What more proof of extremism do they need in St Petersburg?” asked Juldas Okie Etoumbi, chairman of the Association of the African Students of Moscow. But, he added, the problem is not confined to St Petersburg. In the past week, skinheads in Moscow beat up a journalist of Caucasian origin and the culture minister from the Caucasus region of Kabardino-Balkaria.

Mr Putin has called racism “an infection” and pledged to stamp it out. But critics say that the Kremlin has tolerated, and even encouraged, ultra-nationalist groups to foster loyalty to the State and make itself look relatively liberal.

MURDER CITY

Sept 2003 Tajik girl, 5, beaten in St Petersburg

Feb 2004 Tajik girl, 9, stabbed

Mar 2004 Syrian student pushed in front of train

June 2004 Anti-Nazi campaigner shot dead

Oct 2004 Vietnamese student stabbed

Sept 2005 Congolese student beaten

Dec 2005 Cameroonian student stabbed

Feb 2006 Malian medical graduate stabbed

Apr 2006 Senegalese student shot


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Big Enormous Sigh.....whatever
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Yeah..sigh..***heart feeling heavy, soul feeling so heavy***, knowing we cant bring our soldiers back who have died for nothing..***my whole being feeling so heavy***.
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Too bad for you that you are so closed minded..sigh..I pray for you.
Sigh.... I know...
I hope it's something my grandchildren will be able to experience.
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Wow, seems like I turned on your spigot of liberal hate.

Yes, I was trying to type doesn't (does not). For some reason, when I type an apostrophe it won't post half of the time hardly justifying the sermon you just preached to me.

You are a mean, hateful person, and I hope you find something more joyful to do than obsess about our president.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU...
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Yes I know Rx drugs for pain are dispensed for pain and if one takes them as prescribed, one does not get a buzz. The medication acts as it was designed to act. If, however, the person begins to self medicate for whatever reasons, i.e. taking more than prescribed dosage for said pain, soon he will be feeling no pain, that is for sure. Soon he will be feeling good, so good in fact that he will continue on this course for as long as it works out for him. I will never agree that anyone and I mean ANYONE who becomes addicted to any substance did not have a choice in the matter. There comes a time when the addict has no more choices, but that comes much later in the disease process.  They will tell you they didn't, they will lie, they will deny and be in denial...that is what addicts do...This is not a case of **when bad things happen to good people.**  I disagree and I believe you are simplfying things when you try to separate the addicts based on the course of how they got there.


What in the world makes you think I am obsessed with politics. I don't come on this board for weeks at a time. I have become increasingly frightened these last 6 years  as I have watched our country change for the worse but I am not obsessed wtih politics.


My gratitude list, they are all on it...the right-wing screamers that is. You don't get it??? It works for me and that is all that matters because it is my list.


I appreciate prayers from anyone anytime so you guys go right on ahead and pray for me. I would never turn away prayer. Thanks.


I have gone to a **dark place.** YIKES, and I didn't even know it. You have a sore spot about abortion, stem cells, etc., for personal reasons. I have a sore spot about addiction and do not appreciate being told I don't know anything about it and that is for my own personal reasons. What is the difference.


And last but not least, none of what this thread has become from my standpoint anyway had anything to do with stem cells. It could have been any personality promoting any politician for any reason. My point is, was and always has been that Rush blew it big time on this. He was cruel and ugly. He did apologize and it should have stopped there, but as I understand it, he has carried on about MJF every day since (something I read, did not hear it from Rush himself as, if you will recall, I don't listen to him). I am done with this thread. I have ended up talking about things I did not intend to talk about. That happens a lot here, getting off track. So, I stand by what I said. Rush behaved badly and addicts have choices. The end. Aho.


 


 


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I appreciate the time spent on your reply but unfortunately you are not seeing the big picture here.  I am quite certain there are countries on this planet whose history does not contain genocides or atrocities, there are several that come to mind.  However, that is most certainly NOT what I was referring to.  As I said, literal micro-analysis was not the point of my posting. 


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My friend, my faith has NEVER been in politics. If you will read my posts I have begged people to look at this situation as Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans. I have said I don't know HOW many times that right or left up or down liberal or conservative does not matter. Radical Islam hates us ALL equally. And the fact that you and other liberals just pooh-pooh that idea, after what happened on 9-11...boggles the mind. And then, of all things, try to say that whatever happens is God's will. What MT said was correct....God gave us free will and we need to realize how far reaching our actions or inactions are. If there had been more action during Clinton's 8 years against terrorism and not Ms Lewinsky's black dress and cigars, we would be a long way down the road to safety. But he chose inaction, which paved the way for 9-11. Pardon me if I do not want to see the same thing happen again...because no telling what liberal inaction will bring us to the next time. And it has absolutely nothing to do with God's will and everything to do with man's.
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Did you think that those folks would behave as adults? They are bullying children, after all. You were set up to be mocked and chastised.

Y'know, Teddy, I don't think Lurker needs you to champion her. While I do think she is an intelligent person and gives much thought to her posts and limits personal attacks, which is to her credit, I cannot say the same for you Ms. butt-in-chair use-of-defecation as an adjective....

I do have to say, though, that your posts for the most part have been an eloquent and ethical plea for a more humane world.

Once again, I BEG of you, talk to the terrorists and stop preaching to the choir!

I would think that anyone, no matter their personal ideology, would have been moved, even inspired, to ponder a different manner of viewing our world and our role in it.

When have YOU done that, Teddy? When have you ever viewed the world from a position other than yours? Stop quoting OTHER people and say something ORIGINAL.

This all reminds me of trying to argue/debate with my mother who was a borderline personality (a mental disorder). It's hopeless. You cannot have a straightforward discussion/debate/argument with someone for whom the bounds of reality are constantly shifting as their logic will never be grounded in sane reasoning.

You just described yourself, dear. Do you not read your own posts? Slam your mother on a public board...yep, that tells me a lot about the content of YOUR character.
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"The Republican Congress..." Check the yay and nay vote. The Republicans alone could not do it. There are many, MANY Democrat names on it. Otherwise it would not have passed. Even the most partisan should be able to grasp that. That is the basis of democracy...majority rules. And the Republicans could not have passed it without democratic support. Just could not have happened. So like it or not...BOTH sides responsible for the war.

As to the grossly inaccurate information...if the Senate Intelligence Committee (ahem) bought the same inaccurate evidence the President did, and reported such to the Senate...why do I not see the same degree of disdain for them? They somehow are allowed to be fooled and Bush isn't? Would these same things be being said if the President in question was a Democrat? The answer to that is no.

I did not bring up Somalia, but my husband was there and saw that debacle first hand. Don't even get me started on Clinton and Somalia. He cut and ran there and if he had not, AL Qaeda would not be nearly as strong as it is today. By the same token...if Clinton had taken the Sudan up on their offer, bin Laden would have been in an American jail, not plotting 9-11. Even he has said himself that was his biggest mistake. Gee, Bill, ya think?? But I don't hate Bill Clinton or demonize him.

There is plenty of blame to go around on BOTH sides for most things. Trouble is, most folks look at the issue through blinders...can only see one side.

As I stated on the list of books...written for money by Bush haters for other Bush haters. No interest in the truth.

Democrats launched the protests? I would love to see how that idea is supported. From what I remember, my bet is most of them were not registered and never voted. Did someone card them and I missed that?

LOL. I did not say Clinton invented regime change. All I said was he was on board for it. And Richard Clarke was on board for it when his guy was in office. Bush's BIGGEST mistake was not cleaning house after Clinton left. He kept Clarke and Tenet on. He took their advice. They both at first stood behind the "lying" intelligence. The head of the CIA no less. So please....just let the old "lie" thing die. No body lied.....well with the exception of Tenet and Clarke, because they had been on both sides of the issue, depending on who was their "boss" at the time. Or, as I guess they call in politics now....flip-flopped. Yeah, flip-flopped....like a beached whale.

And my friend...the buck for going to war stops at Congress. All the Democrats and Republicans who voted for it. And if you will check the roll vote...a good many Democrats DID vote for it. Otherwise it would not have passed. Sheesh.
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John McCain did not invent outsourcing. You need to do some research on Mr. and Mrs. Clinton. China and INDIA were big projects for them. You know..INDIA. Where most of our jobs went.

McCain renegotiated a big defense contract that went to an overseas division of an American company so that the actual work would have to be done in the American division...created thousands of jobs on our side of the water.

Without free trade there are no overseas markets for goods manufactured in this country, and a lot of Americans will lose their jobs. But it is okay to lose THOSE jobs?


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You aren't going to change my mind, I'm not going to change yours. But, as I said before, I don't think Obama is running around killing babies yet, and I don't think he is going to. I think McCain supporters are getting a little anxious right now, so they have to try bring up crazy crap in hopes of swaying people their way.