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By trying to address 2000 and 2004 election corruption

Posted By: and ensure ALL Ohio voter unimpeded access? nm on 2008-10-18
In Reply to: Brunner (dem)started this whole problem with early - voting chaos anyway. should be fired.nm

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GAO Report indicates possible 2004 election fraud

 GAO Report indicates possible election fraud


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lyn-l...-c_b_11483.html

Powerful Government Accountability Office report confirms key 2004 stolen election findings by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman October 26, 2005


As a legal noose appears to be tightening around the Bush/Cheney/Rove inner circle, a shocking government report shows the floor under the legitimacy of their alleged election to the White House is crumbling.

The latest critical confirmation of key indicators that the election of 2004 was stolen comes in an extremely powerful, penetrating report from the Government Accountability Office that has gotten virtually no mainstream media coverage.

The government's lead investigative agency is known for its general incorruptibility and its thorough, in-depth analyses. Its concurrence with assertions widely dismissed as conspiracy theories adds crucial new weight to the case that Team Bush has no legitimate business being in the White House.

Nearly a year ago, senior Judiciary Committee Democrat John Conyers (D-MI) asked the GAO to investigate electronic voting machines as they were used during the November 2, 2004 presidential election. The request came amidst widespread complaints in Ohio and elsewhere that often shocking irregularities defined their performance.

According to CNN, the U.S. House Judiciary Committee received more than 57,000 complaints following Bush's alleged re-election. Many such concerns were memorialized under oath in a series of sworn statements and affidavits in public hearings and investigations conducted in Ohio by the Free Press and other election protection organizations.

The non-partisan GAO report has now found that, some of [the] concerns about electronic voting machines have been realized and have caused problems with recent elections, resulting in the loss and miscount of votes.

The United States is the only major democracy that allows private partisan corporations to secretly count and tabulate the votes with proprietary non-transparent software. Rev. Jesse Jackson, among others, has asserted that public elections must not be conducted on privately-owned machines. The CEO of one of the most crucial suppliers of electronic voting machines, Warren O'Dell of Diebold, pledged before the 2004 campaign to deliver Ohio and thus the presidency to George W. Bush.

Bush's official margin of victory in Ohio was just 118,775 votes out of more than 5.6 million cast. Election protection advocates argue that O'Dell's statement still stands as a clear sign of an effort, apparently successful, to steal the White House.

Among other things, the GAO confirms that:

1. Some electronic voting machines did not encrypt cast ballots or system audit logs, and it was possible to alter both without being detected. In other words, the GAO now confirms that electronic voting machines provided an open door to flip an entire vote count. More than 800,000 votes were cast in Ohio on electronic voting machines, some seven times Bush's official margin of victory.

2. It was possible to alter the files that define how a ballot looks and works so that the votes for one candidate could be recorded for a different candidate. Numerous sworn statements and affidavits assert that this did happen in Ohio 2004.

3. Vendors installed uncertified versions of voting system software at the local level. 3. Falsifying election results without leaving any evidence of such an action by using altered memory cards can easily be done, according to the GAO.

4. The GAO also confirms that access to the voting network was easily compromised because not all digital recording electronic voting systems (DREs) had supervisory functions password-protected, so access to one machine provided access to the whole network. This critical finding confirms that rigging the 2004 vote did not require a widespread conspiracy but rather the cooperation of a very small number of operatives with the power to tap into the networked machines and thus change large numbers of votes at will. With 800,000 votes cast on electronic machines in Ohio, flipping the number needed to give Bush 118,775 could be easily done by just one programmer.

5. Access to the voting network was also compromised by repeated use of the same user IDs combined with easily guessed passwords. So even relatively amateur hackers could have gained access to and altered the Ohio vote tallies.

6. The locks protecting access to the system were easily picked and keys were simple to copy, meaning, again, getting into the system was an easy matter.

7. One DRE model was shown to have been networked in such a rudimentary fashion that a power failure on one machine would cause the entire network to fail, re-emphasizing the fragility of the system on which the Presidency of the United States was decided.

8. GAO identified further problems with the security protocols and background screening practices for vendor personnel, confirming still more easy access to the system.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05956.pdf


rhetoric rhetoric - just tell people what they want to hear, it worked in 2000 and 2004 right?
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2000 election
Yes, Bush did win only one election.  The first election was handed to him by the Supreme Court Five.  If it had been handled properly and fairly, Gore would have won as he had the popular vote. 
Yeah, I remember the "Catholics for Bush" signs during the 2004 election
so much for churches staying out of govt
I just hope we don't have a repeat of the 2000 election...sm
Whoever wins, let them win by a wide enough margin that the is no question. To this day I do not know how Bush et AL got away with that one.  Talk about stupid democrats!
Google voter fraud 2000, voter fraud 2004 and
The pubs have been down this road before.
Sure there's potential for corruption
and if it corruption was actually happening you would have a valid point, but all this to do about phone taps is really only an attempt to squelch this president and is about as transparent as Saran Wrap given the fact that no one has come forth with a valid claim that they have been tapped without just cause.

The fact is EVERY president in the last 40 to 50 years or more has authorized unwarranted wire taps even the left's beloved Bill Clinton, but somehow you all were conspiciously absent in criticizing his wire taps.




How do you fix corruption??? They knew what
His own spokesperson said they have "amended" the papers to read ..... in other words, we will admit the money was given SPECIFICALLY to hire more workers to go out and do whatever necessary to get more votes for Obama, even if through illegal means.


An Obama spokesman said Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens Services Inc. — a subsidiary of ACORN — worked in “get-out-the-vote” projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary.

The corruption is pretty even in both parties. sm
The current administration calls itself conservative, but they definitely do not represent my beliefs. I believe in freedom, peace, and prosperity, rights for everyone, and bias towards no one, and have the deepest respect for the Constitution. Except for a few individuals, none of that exists with Democrats or Republicans. I do mean the politicians, not the people.

Free market capitalism produces long-term growth. Socialism and middle-way economic interventionism by the state produce poverty and bureaucracy. If the goal is to keep poor people poor generation after generation you should promote socialism.

What we currently have is a plutocracy. America is one big giant corporation, and the very affluent do control our political process. Those who are honest call them fascists.

I would really like to see those on the left unite with those on the right to do what is right. We are leaving one helluva mess behind for our children and grandchildren, and generations after. The best way to start to do that is become better informed (not the TV news) and get active.
All this corruption is fueled by the corrupt
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we actually voted in 2004....SM

http://ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm


state by state, counties too..........


Last time, in 2004...
Al Sharpton candidated for President, he never, never qualified, not because of his race, because of his personality.
OBAMA DID.
She is perfect! She cleaned up corruption in her own party...
in Alaska...she is mother of 5...husband is a native Eskimo...last child is a Down's child she chose not to abort...she does NOT toe the party line and does not put the party before what she feels was best for her state. She is strong, smart, and exactly right to be the first female vice-president of this great United States! McCain hit it out of the park. GOOD for him.
Did you complain when she moderated it in 2004?
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Bush Official Arrested in Corruption Probe

Bush Official Arrested in Corruption Probe




By R. Jeffrey Smith and Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, September 20, 2005; Page A01



The Bush administration's top federal procurement official resigned Friday and was arrested yesterday, accused of lying and obstructing a criminal investigation into Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff's dealings with the federal government. It was the first criminal complaint filed against a government official in the ongoing corruption probe related to Abramoff's activities in Washington.


The complaint, filed by the FBI, alleges that David H. Safavian, 38, a White House procurement official involved until last week in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, made repeated false statements to government officials and investigators about a golf trip with Abramoff to Scotland in 2002.







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Procurement
Procurement chief David H. Safavian was connected to probe of lobbyist Jack Abramoff. (Melina Mara/twp - Twp)













It also contends that he concealed his efforts to help Abramoff acquire control of two federally managed properties in the Washington area. Abramoff is the person identified as Lobbyist A in a 13-page affidavit unsealed in court, according to sources knowledgeable about the probe.


Until his resignation on the day the criminal complaint against him was signed, Safavian was the top administrator at the federal procurement office in the White House Office of Management and Budget, where he set purchasing policy for the entire government.


The arrest occurred at his home in Alexandria. A man who answered the phone there yesterday hung up when a reporter asked to speak to Safavian.


Abramoff was indicted by federal prosecutors in Miami last month on unrelated charges of wire fraud and conspiracy. He remains the linchpin of an 18-month probe by a federal task force that includes the Internal Revenue Service, the Interior Department and the Justice Department's fraud and public integrity units. His lawyer did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.


Abramoff's allegedly improper dealings with Indian tribes -- which netted him and an associate at least $82 million in fees -- prompted the federal probe. But investigators have found that his documents and e-mails contain a trove of information about his aggressive efforts to seek favors for clients from members of Congress and senior bureaucrats.


Accompanying Safavian and Abramoff on the 2002 trip to Scotland, for example, were Rep. Robert W. Ney (R-Ohio), chairman of the House Administration Committee, lobbyist and former Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed and Neil Volz, a lobbyist with Abramoff at the Washington office of Greenburg Traurig.


Like Abramoff, Safavian is a veteran Washington player. He is a former lobbying partner of anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist and previously worked with Abramoff at another firm. Both he and Abramoff have represented gambling clients and Indian tribes with gambling interests.


At the time of the golf trip, Safavian was chief of staff at the General Services Administration, where ethics rules flatly prohibited the receipt of a gift from any person seeking an official action by the agency. When Safavian asked GSA ethics officers for permission to go on the trip, he assured them in writing that Abramoff has no business before GSA, according to the affidavit signed by FBI special agent Jeffrey A. Reising.


Reising alleged, however, that Abramoff had by then already secretly enlisted Safavian in an effort to buy 40 acres of land that GSA managed in Silver Spring for use as the campus of a Hebrew school Abramoff founded. Safavian also allegedly tried to help Abramoff lease space for Abramoff's clients in an old post office building downtown.


On July 22, 2002, Abramoff sent Safavian an e-mail with a proposed draft letter that at least two members of Congress could send to GSA supporting the lease, according to the affidavit. Does this work, or do you want it to be longer? Abramoff asked.


Three days later, Safavian forwarded Abramoff an e-mail describing how an employee at OMB was resisting Abramoff's plan to lease space at the post office. I suspect we'll end up having to bring some Hill pressure to bear on OMB, Safavian messaged Abramoff.


On the same day Safavian discussed the golf trip with the ethics office, he sent an e-mail to Abramoff from his home computer, advising him how to lay out a case for this lease. Abramoff subsequently wrote in an e-mail to his wife and two officials of the school that Safavian had shown him a map of the property at his GSA office but had cautioned that Abramoff should not visit again given my high profile politically.


Safavian nonetheless arranged a meeting for Abramoff's wife and business partner with officials at GSA on the day before he departed for Scotland aboard Abramoff's chartered jet. The trip cost more than $120,000 and was paid for mostly by a charity founded and run by Abramoff, the Capital Athletic Foundation.


When Safavian was questioned by The Washington Post about the trip in January, he said he paid his share of the expenses and took unpaid leave. The trip was exclusively personal; I did no business there. . . . Jack is an old friend of mine, Safavian said.


But the complaint alleges that Safavian lied about his contacts with Abramoff on three occasions after his initial false pledge to the GSA ethics officer. The first was during a 2003 investigation by GSA's inspector general, who was responding to an anonymous tipster's hotline complaint; the second was in a March 17, 2005, letter to the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs; and the third was during an FBI interview on May 26, 2005.


She's under investigation by her state for corruption and McCain still picks her?
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More Congressional Corruption - Feinstein Funnels $$ to Hubby

Paste the link into your browser or click the link at the bottom of this post:


http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/21/senate-husbands-firm-cashes-in-on-crisis/


Actually, that was from June 25, 2004...link inside.
http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives/000497.html
Rick James died in 2004
of a heart attack. That was too bad. I loved Superfreak.
2000 dead: How many is
2000 Dead: How Many Is Too Many?
By Mike Hoffman

When I left for the Middle East in February 2003 with a Marine artillery unit, I was told Iraq was in possession of weapons of mass destruction, had been assisting Al Qaeda, was partly responsible for 9/11 and was an imminent threat to the United States and Iraq’s neighbors.

We destroyed Iraq’s under-equipped and demoralized military – the imminent threat to our nation -- in a little over a month. Since the invasion, no weapons inspection team has found evidence of any weapons of mass destruction and the claims that Saddam Hussein was working with Al Qaeda have been shown to be nonsense. When I left Iraq for home in May 2003, after President Bush told us “Mission Accomplished,” 139 Americans had died.

After the invasion was over and the occupation began, Iraqis didn’t throw flowers and candy at our feet. Instead roadside bombs and ambushes awaited us down every street. The administration said we were about to turn a corner. We were told that once Saddam and his sons were captured or killed the insurgents would give up, demoralized by the loss of their leader; peace would reign. By the time Saddam was captured in December 2003, 463 Americans had died in Iraq.

The capture of Saddam had no effect, and daily attacks against American forces and Iraqi security forces continued. It was during this time that the bloody Shiite Rebellion occurred. This was some of the fiercest fighting yet in Iraq. Even with this rebellion happening, we were told there was still hope. Sovereignty would soon be handed over to the Iraqis and another corner would be turned. But we needed to stay and provide the Iraqis security until we could “officially” turn the country back over to them. This would empower the Iraqis and end the Insurgency. By then, June 2004, 958 had come home in boxes.

Most Iraqis didn’t seem to care they had sovereignty, since we still occupied their country. They were still without electricity and faced an average unemployment rate of 70%. Every time US soldiers walked outside the wire they were still taking their lives in their hands. Then, we were told, elections would fix this. The Iraqis would have their own government in place and begin drafting a constitution. This would demoralize the terrorists and end the fighting. On the day of the elections, January 30, 2005, the U.S. death toll was 1,537.

What’s wrong with this picture?

The first time we were told the war was over we had lost 139 American; now we have lost 2,000 American lives in Iraq. Time and time again we are told things are getting better, that we have “turned a corner.”

In the Viet Nam War we didn’t “turn corners;” instead policy makers talked about the “light at the end of the tunnel.” We know now that by 1968 President Johnson knew there was no light at the end of the tunnel; he knew his war was lost. The Pentagon Papers showed this; Robert McNamara admits it today. Over 22,000 American troops died in Viet Nam after 1968 in a war our leaders knew was hopeless and just piling up American and Asian bodies.

Again, there is no light at the end of the tunnel, and we’ve turned so many corners we’re going in circles. Our leaders know they can’t win this war, but, like Johnson and McNamara, they refuse to admit it to the American people. Meanwhile, our troops remain a huge provocative force in the region and each individual soldier a prized target. Failure to face this reality is exacerbating the current chaos in Iraq and preventing real regional diplomatic solutions.

So the question falls to ordinary Americans: How many more brave men and women are we willing to sacrifice before we force our leaders to bring the troops home? I pray that it does not take another 56,000 like it did in Viet Nam.


Mike Hoffman was a lance corporal in a Marine artillery unit during the invasion of Iraq. He is a member of Iraq Veterans Against The War.



2000 yrs ago? Try 6000....

not looking for any kind of attention - you are awfully presuming/assuming for a public board/forum poster....you know nothing about me...


please do not respond to any of my posts if you don't like them - you DO have that choice.



 


 


I have never been called since 2000
to be included in a national poll. I'm Democrat. I answer all phone calls JUST to have my voice heard. Why haven't they called me?
Stolen, just like in 2000
I guess it is alright if the Republicans steal an election, but not the Dems???
The $2000 debit card sm

has provisions that state the card cannot be used for alcohol or cigarettes.  They will get no cash back on any purchase. 


The government has already thought of all these things.  The card can only be used for food, personal items, etc. 


I can't believe it matters. 2000 or 6000, what's... sm
The difference? It's still an ancient piece of fiction written by primitive, superstitious people from a corner of a long-dead empire. Why anyone in the present day would chose to believe any of it, let alone feel compelled to organize their life around it (or believe that it predicts the future, of all things!) is beyond me.

Here is the lastest immigration law, 2000. sm
http://www.aca.ch/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=91&Itemid=80
Then you'll just have to do what the dems did since 2000
Suck it up, tune him out and go on about your business.
Then you'll just have to do what the dems did since 2000
Suck it up, tune him out and go on about your business. He's not going anywhere anytime soon.
Another look at the 2000 Bush v. Gore debate.

I wonder if Bush would still have won if voters knew the extent to which he blatantly lied during this debate. To find the TRUTH, all someone has to do is take just about EVERYTHING Bush said, REVERSE IT (with the possible exception of the comment: "I believe the role of the military is to fight and win war and therefore prevent war from happening in the first place." I didn't understand it in 2000 and still don't know what it means. And why did he only focus on "our friends in the Middle East?") I know this isn’t new news, but I found it interesting to take a second look at this. Hindsight being 20/20, I'm amazed at how good Gore is suddenly starting to look!


From www.debates.org/pages/trans2000a.html


MODERATOR: New question. How would you go about as president deciding when it was in the national interest to use U.S. force, generally?


BUSH: Well, if it's in our vital national interest, and that means whether our territory is threatened or people could be harmed, whether or not the alliances are -- our defense alliances are threatened, whether or not our friends in the Middle East are threatened. That would be a time to seriously consider the use of force. Secondly, whether or not the mission was clear. Whether or not it was a clear understanding as to what the mission would be. Thirdly, whether or not we were prepared and trained to win. Whether or not our forces were of high morale and high standing and well-equipped. And finally, whether or not there was an exit strategy. I would take the use of force very seriously. I would be guarded in my approach. I don't think we can be all things to all people in the world. I think we've got to be very careful when we commit our troops. The vice president and I have a disagreement about the use of troops. He believes in nation building. I would be very careful about using our troops as nation builders. I believe the role of the military is to fight and win war and therefore prevent war from happening in the first place. So I would take my responsibility seriously. And it starts with making sure we rebuild our military power. Morale in today's military is too low. We're having trouble meeting recruiting goals. We met the goals this year, but in the previous years we have not met recruiting goals. Some of our troops are not well-equipped. I believe we're overextended in too many places. And therefore I want to rebuild the military power. It starts with a billion dollar pay raise for the men and women who wear the uniform. A billion dollars more than the president recently signed into law. It's to make sure our troops are well-housed and well-equipped. Bonus plans to keep some of our high-skilled folks in the services and a commander in chief that sets the mission to fight and win war and prevent war from happening in the first place.


MODERATOR: Vice President Gore, one minute.


GORE: I want to make it clear, our military is the strongest, best-trained, best-equipped, best-led fighting force in the world and in the history of the world. Nobody should have any doubt about that, least of all our adversaries or potential adversaries. If you entrust me with the presidency, I will do whatever is necessary in order to make sure our forces stay the strongest in the world. In fact, in my ten-year budget proposal I've set aside more than twice as much for this purpose as Governor Bush has in his proposal. Now, I think we should be reluctant to get involved in someplace in a foreign country. But if our national security is at stake, if we have allies, if we've tried every other course, if we're sure military action will succeed, and if the costs are proportionate to the benefits, we should get involved. Now, just because we don't want to get involved everywhere doesn't mean we should back off anywhere it comes up. I disagree with the proposal that maybe only when oil supplies are at stake that our national security is at risk. I think that there are situations like in Bosnia or Kosovo where there's a genocide, where our national security is at stake there.


BUSH: I agree our military is the strongest in the world today, that's not the question. The question is will it be the strongest in the years to come? Everywhere I go on the campaign trail I see moms and dads whose son or daughter may wear the uniform and they tell me about how discouraged their son or daughter may be. A recent poll was taken among 1,000 enlisted personnel, as well as officers, over half of whom will leave the service when their time of enlistment is up. The captains are leaving the service. There is a problem. And it's going to require a new commander in chief to rebuild the military power. I was honored to be flanked by Colin Powell and General Norman Schwartzkopf recently stood by me side and agreed with me. If we don't have a clear vision of the military, if we don't stop extending our troops all around the world and nation building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road, and I'm going to prevent that. I'm going to rebuild our military power. It's one of the major priorities of my administration.


Pot meets kettle. You mean like Tom Delay's 2000-2001
We are still dealing with the aftermath. But hey, he was just trying to help out the shrub and the rest of the GOP good ole boys.
This person was talking about the 2000 debit cards and calling them handouts...sm
Now is not the time to be talking about handups in the midst of a national disaster like the one in NO. In a time like this it is too late for that and inappropriate. But enlighten me, what kind of handup has the republican party offered the displaced NO citizens?

These people NEED HANDOUTS AND YESTERDAY, until they can regain some type of normal existence and then handups would be good. Some people can't stand to see a person get anything. I've learned that's just how some people are. Even though they are cush in front of their computers posting away, they think if I'm not getting 2000 dollars from the government neither should they. And then there's the, I got mine croud. They feel that these people should have educated themselves, worked harder and they wouldn't be in this position, so let em' stay in the astrodome until they can figure something out.

I don't agree and think these compasionate conservative Christians who think this way should ask themselves WWJD?


So why are you here? Address the
their homes if they are so liberated?
Here's a web address regarding that.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html


So, does that mean no, you do not want to address it? NM

I will address it
Neither McCain nor Palin ever brought up assissination.

Hillary Clinton did! Fact - on tape - cannot deny it.

Obama suppporters loathed McCain/Palin. Many times I heard people saying they wished they would die. - Fact.

McCain supporters loathed Obama/Biden. I have heard people say some really bad things about him too. I have never once heard on tape anyone saying assassination except Hillary Clinton. - Fact.
net address, not link
I dont know why the link wont work, brings me to another MTstars page anyway, the site is www.capitolhillblue.com.  Do a search for this net address and you will find the site.  The article is on the first page.  Enjoy.
why don't you address the issues here instead of
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Any of you Republicans want to address this? s/m
Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America........given to us by Bush, "the decider."  And you find Obama "scary?"
Obama's 12/06 address......... sm
Hope everyone is crosstraining in some other career........

—ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS: “In addition to connecting our libraries and schools to the Internet, we must also ensure that our hospitals are connected to each other through the Internet. That is why the economic recovery plan I’m proposing will help modernize our health care system – and that won’t just save jobs, it will save lives. We will make sure that every doctor’s office and hospital in this country is using cutting edge technology and electronic medical records so that we can cut red tape, prevent medical mistakes, and help save billions of dollars each year.”

More in the link below. 
I will address only one point s/m
As a long-time wife of union workers, I will tell you for fact that when union workers get raises and better benefits, non-union workers also get raises and better benefits.  So just exactly who is it that doesn't benefit?  Except, of course, big business....like Wal-Mart who will keep unionization out at any cost.  Why?  Because they would have to treat their employees fairly.  The late great (NOT) Ronald Reagan, himself a card-carrying union member, vowed to break the unions and he did what he promised.  Do you think workers are better off today??  Union members STILL have affordable health care AND pensions as do their retirees.  I know..........thanks to my husband's long time union membership.  His employer, Consolidated Freightways, established a non-union company (Con-Way Freight) and bankrupted the union arm of their business....with the exception of their Mexico and Canadian operations....so they could get out of their union contract and pay their workers less.  The Teamsters back Obama and, yes, their fat cats want to further enrich themselve, but in so doing they have to drag the common workers along with them.  POWER TO  UNIONS!
I will address one thing. s/m

I did not intend to insult YOUR intelligence.  I was speaking of American people in GENERAL.  Obviously from your post you agree, whether you agreed in words or not,  it's there between the lines i.e. your BIL's employees who complain.  I was not speaking of people who bought off more debt than they could chew, I have NO sympathy for them.  As far as I'm concerned these people who are living in 5000 sq. ft houses as you said and can't afford it, get what they deserve and I am certainly not in favor of bailing them out. I was speaking of people who are having trouble paying their heating/electric bills, buying groceries and gas to get to work on their $10 an hour jobs.


I say the outsourcing of American jobs is inexcusable.  You proved my point regarding your BIL.  If he, a small business, can give good jobs to his employees don't tell me the big businesses can't do likewise.  You are correct, some people would complain if they were in God's pocket with their head sticking out!  His employees who complain as far as I'm concerned, he ought to fire them and hire people who appreciate a good job in this day and age.


Please don't think anything I say personally.  I do not mean it to be personal to anyone but if the shoe fits..........then I guess people can wear it.


OK, send me his address
He SHOULD have been told this before he was enlisted as cannon fodder for the war mongerers who were planning this fake war BEFORE the Supreme coup gave them the WhiteHouse.

No one doubts your nephew's good intentions for serving in the military. IN FACT, WE SUPPORT him so much, that we think he ought not be used as BAIT to secure more riches for the military industrial complex.

PLEASE do some research: This 'war' was manufactured and worse, 9/11 should have been and COULD have been prevented. IF THEY HAD DONE THAT, HOWEVER, they would not have been able to inflame a nation to war with a country that never attacked us.

SHAME on Americans who believe WITHOUT verifying or thinking for themselves!
We can't address the current....(sm)

economic nightmare without also addressing those who are already suffering from it.  If that is not addressed while we are setting up new jobs, then we go straight into a depression.  It's a whole lot harder and longer to get out of a full-blown depression that what we have now....and right now we're on the edge.


NASA = The 50 million Obama allotted for NASA is for them to repair facilities in Houston from hurricaine Ike (which should have already been done, btw) and non-space activities.  Again, job creation.  NASA wants more, but I doubt they'll get it.


Funny, but these don't seem to address
By which, of course, I mean the fact that socialism hasn't worked ANYWHERE, at ANY TIME.

Just a small omission, of course.
This is the last time I am going to address your posts. sm

The administrator and I have posted and reposted the rules.  I don't care what publication approved what.  The administrator will not allow extremely inflammatory posts regarding the President and these rules have been outlined to you repeatedly.  As the administrator has said, this board is read worldwide. Have a care for what you post.  No one has run to me asking to have posts removed.  I remove the posts that do violate the rules.  I suggest you post in another venue if you cannot manage to respect the rules of this board. 


This really doesn't address my post

It appears to be another excuse to vent your dislike of all things liberal.  It contains misguided and erroneous assumptions, as usual. 


But I do appreciate the time you took to compose it.  Just wish your time could be spent on something more constructive or insightful...something that could educate or enlighten the reader rather than leaving them scratching their heads thinking....what in the heck is she ranting about.....sure makes me think those neocons are bonkers.....  I wish for once one of your posts would make me think golly, she might have a point there instead of feeling like someone had defecated on me.  Understand?


Way too juvenile to address this flap.
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BTDT. Please address views of the
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I did address it directly. In the post above....
and you proved my point about the attacking. Typical dem.
So what's to address? I haven't liked the idea
I don't so much have a problem with Canada as I do Mexico. Of course, I've never cared for NAFTA. I do go for the Canada-US Smart Border Declaration but why don't we have one of those with Mexico? No, instead we have the US-Mexico Partnership. I partner enough with Mexico every time I support one more illegal in this country.

Now since they want to call it an ongoing dialogue, they can call it whatever they want, but wanting to preserve each country's sovereignty is a joke unless we close the US/Mexico border and if the border is crossed, shoot!

I do not want a major thoroughfare going from Mexico across this country and into Canada. Any idiot could see we are just asking for more trouble there. Encouraging drug smuggling and illegals and terrorists to boot. Anything and everything come right on into this country and they don't even have to brave those terrible old conditions on foot...they can just drive right in.

As much as this sounds great..
"Cooperation in intelligence, border management, law enforcement and transportation security is intended to reduce criminal activity and terrorist risks, thereby making our communities safer, facilitating legitimate trade and travel, and protecting our quality of life. Collaborative planning and prevention strategies will help ensure reduced impact, coordinated response and faster recovery from disaster situations, whether public health, cyber, natural, human error or terrorist in nature", it ain't happening. I do not care to do business with Mexico until they secure their own borders and stop letting their illegals in this country. They need to be coming up with their own plan to educate and employ their own population.

The list of things I don't care for go on and on. What else would you like to know?

Address the name but ignore the quote?
use the exact same terminology and the exact same ideology that you have been slamming and slurring Obama for now for weeks? Heard it with my own ears...hot off the trail.

You guys can't have it both ways. He is promising to redistribute offshore drilling revenues from oil companies to "Talahassee." He was directing his comment to a rally full of Floridians. He was not proposing to give the Tallahassee state govt, but rather was speaking of the citizens right in front of him.

If Obama's spread the wealth is socialism...which McC camp has been yamering and hammering into our skulls for days and days and days now, then it would make perfect sense to assume that Palin's (out of the moose's mouth) "share the wealth" and "collective ownership of resources" is every bit as socialist, wouldn't it? This question requires a direct answer.