Conservative outright spin and BS, spread on Fox by Gregg Jarrett, for the real whole unbiased story
Posted By: Cyndiee on 2009-01-29
In Reply to: Sounds like someone needs to look - Chele
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgif=/c/2009/101/02/ED151514UE.dtl, there was one slight recession in 1937-1938 because of spectacular growth when it took off, read the rest of the story. Pubs will say anything to rewrite history and try to save face. IMO
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Al Jazeera? Oh, get real. They have no unbiased
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Conservative Spin Fail
Cavuto was directly addressing coverage by cable news organizations when he made those quotes, directly comparing Fox News to CNN and MSNBC. (Watch the video clips.)
And, unless they covered it on Married with Children or the X-Files, there was no "Fox" coverage of the Million Man March because the only news broadcasts on Fox at that time were provided by local affiliates from other networks,and that was at the discretion of individual stations. They did not have a national nightly news broadcast.
Sigh....spin, spin, spin, you are making me dizzy....
deny, deny, deny. I have said over and over and over again...do you people have a cognitive disability? I don't give a rip about who or when or how many times Clinton had sex or who it was with...the man committed felony perjury! He broke the law. Instead of acknowledging that, saying it was wrong, and that any President who committed a felony should be impeached, you just wanna say well no matter what he did, Bush is worse. You are so totally consumed by hatred for George Bush your value system is skewed. Look...is perjury against the law or isn't it? Should a sitting President who breaks the law not be impeached? If George Bush had dinged an intern, lied about it, and then lied before a grand jury, would you be saying you shouldn't impeach George Bush for committing perjury because he lied about sex?? OF COURSE NOT, you would he asking for his head on a pike!!
So, try to focus...either it is wrong or it isn't. It does not matter what the lie is ABOUT. It is a matter of principle...if you care about principle, and I do.
And another thing, if it WERE Bush who did the same thing Clinton did, I would be calling for HIS impeachment. Because I, unlike you obviously, believe that no MAN, including Bill Clinton is above the law.
Where did you get the figure half a million people? Oh nevermind. I am not supposed to ask you for sources, forgot....my bad.
So, even if it WERE a half million people, if you want to impeach Bush you need to fire Congress because it was THEY who voted to send the troops, not George Bush. He can't vote...helllooo.
Denial, denial, denial. It is so patently obvious...you cannot get past the Bush hatred...cannot see the forest for the trees. Amazing....utterly, completely, amazing. And at the same time...appalling.
Real story from the MSM?.....sm
Bush controlled, corporate crony owned media telling the truth - not going to happen. That only happens when you have a democratic republic, not a corporate plutocracy. TV news definitely lies, suppresses, and distorts news.
The real story isn't that he lied. (sm)
After the last eight years, some of us EXPECT Republicans to lie. The real story is that he ADMITTED to lying. Won't he get thrown out of the GOP for daring to tell the truth? 
As far as this being a one-sided story, it is what it is. I doubt that you would withhold posting a story about Obama lying...if you had a legitimate one that could be documented as being truthful. Instead, you guys invent negative stories about Obama with no corroboration, and when asked for a link to your "story," instead of providing one, you hurl personal negative insults at the poster.
When I heard this whole "once upon a time" story, it reminded me of Hillary's fake story about dodging snipers.
Jindal and Hillary Clinton. Both politicians, different parties. Both liars who invented entire life experiences that were lies, and both who should have been smart enough to know they would eventually get caught.
As far as whether it's okay for one to lie and not the other, I happen to believe it's NOT okay for ANY OF THEM to lie, regardless of party affiliation.
Here's the real story if you're interested
The family-planning program that Pelosi supports expanding was originally created in 1972 under the leadership of Richard Nixon. The proposal is an expansion in the number of states that can use Medicaid money to help low-income women prevent unwanted pregnancies. Of the 26 states that already have Medicaid waivers for family planning, eight are led by Republican governors (AL, FL, MS, SC, CA, LA, MN and RI). John Boehner and House Republicans claim this is a "gift to the abortion industry," yet I don't see any Republican governors promising to end the program in their states.
Plus the process for obtaining the family-planning waiver is covered in red tape and often takes as long as TWO YEARS to be approved. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that eliminating the waiver requirement would save states $400 million over 10 years.
Of course, Drudge and Politico are screaming "Democrats want to spend $200 million on contraception!" without presenting the facts.
The real story is that this is supposed to be a stimulus package.
I can see from your post how this would help save states money over time, but how would it help stimulate the economy now? It wouldn't and that's why people are so upset.
The real story is that this is supposed to be a stimulus package.
I can see from your post how this would help save states money over time, but how would it help stimulate the economy now? It wouldn't and that's why people are so upset. Even Obama has said that if it doesn't create a job or save a job, it doesn't belong in there.
Here's a real nice conservative statement. How to make friends and influence people.
"Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested on-air Monday, Aug. 22, 2005, that American operatives assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to stop his country from becoming "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."
His news conference yesterday...and there are a few real conservative economists left in the world..
that know his plans won't work, economic, healthcare and all the others.
Obama is doomed to fail miserably, and will probably blame someone else for it all (wait for it....It's Bush's fault...well, and maybe it'll be Congress' fault too, when things fail to work out according to his great plans).
Socialism doesn't work. Ask any true economist, and ask any historian how well Russia, Cuba, Venezuela socialism has worked out.
Valerie Jarrett on Meet the Press-Did you know?
Born in IRAN. Worked for Richard Daley, was her mentor? She is co-chair of the Obama-Biden transistion team. She hired Michele in 1991.
She will not give any info on whom he may choose for his team. "Everything is a possibility." She is not ruling out anything. "Obama is selecting the best team for the job."
Rahm Emanual: She knew him for over 15 years. He embraces O's philosophy.
Will she take the Rich Daley model and implement it? Roundabout answer.
What are his flaws? "That's what is nice about being his friend. I can talk about his strengths, not his flaws."
Judd Gregg....(sm)
Okay, so he withdrew from secretary of commerce, but this just doesn't make sense. He says he did it because he couldn't go along with Obama policies, but this had already been discussed before he was selected. I thought it was a really wierd selection anyway given Judd's history of voting against money for the census as well as voting to kill the position all together. Now he's saying he can still serve the public as a senator but also says he won't run again. Nothing adds up. I'm thinking he received some pressure from the GOP and now just wants to finish out his term and get the _____ out. 
Lithium might help Gregg but
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it is not an outright lie -
My neighbors just brought home a baby they adopted and before the weekend was out guess what - the father found out about it and demanded his baby and guess what - he got the baby because he never gave up his rights.
It is not a lie - if there is a known father, he has to give up his rights too.
And I would think if you are married and having a baby by someone else, your husband would know you were pregnant at some point - so that is a stupid statement!
So, if he is outright lying about the BC, that is okay
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Not a stretch...an outright lie...........nm
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That is an outright lie perpetrated by
Planned, Murder your Baby, Parenthood. No woman has to seek the permission of the father to have a baby adopted who is the victim of a rape. Think! How can you get permission if you don't know the perpetrator? You don't even have to have permission if you know the perpetrator. Planned Parenthood has used that ruse to force many young women into abortions. And how have they done that? Many women who are in extramarital affairs have abortions because Planned Parenthood tells them that their husbands will have to know, so to keep it quiet, abortion they are told, is their only option. It's all about money, folks. Death to babies is not about choice, it's about money.
Sure but outright hysteria and overdramatization
of known facts is another. the media controls the day, and the media has self-appointed themselves to be our checks and balances which is SCARY!!!
Where is your source? You should not spread
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What exactly do you think spread the wealth
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Yes, need to spread that wealth around. LOL nm
I'm going shopping before O can spread my wealth around! nm
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"Let older Americans die without care" is not what he said - it is an outright lie
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Spread the wealth, redistribution of income...that is the big O's
plan...AKA I'll give to those who don't deserve it by taking it from those who have worked hard to get it. O wants to take the hard earned money from many Americans and then HE will decide who he gives it to. Sounds a bit like socialism to me. Just where is he going to get the money for all the programs he wants to GIVE to us? Oh, and remember the words of Biden, it's patriotic to pay taxes. So what does that make the 40% of Americans who DON'T pay taxes?
No offense taken. Rumors spread so fast, especially ...sm
bad rumors intended to scare and manipulate people. I think the excitement of the people at his rallies is because they see him as someone who offers the common people hope. He has never addressed or dwelled on any of the many, many rumors being spread about him. I believe he is an upstanding American citizen, a Christian, who has a lovely wife and family and is nothing like what the right wing of the republican party is painting him to be. Keep praying on it but don't get taken in by people who are not so Christian themselves.
You are not only a low life filthy liar on this board, you spread your filth on the CON
board, as well. NOWHERE is it written on this board that ANYONE WISHES that he's drinking again.
You idiots do this repeatedly. You take a statement made by someone and totally twist it around to suit your hatred.
This is what you wrote on the CON board. I defy you to copy and paste the post you are referring to. YOU ARE A FILTHY LIAR.
Another difference between you and me: I won't post on YOUR board because you don't want people there who don't agree with you. I am RESPECTING your wishes. But you can't return the favor because you and those of your ilk have no concept of the existence of the word *respect*.
I am really frosted about something on that liberal board..
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Posted By: SM on 2005-09-30,
I am not going to stoop to their level and say that all liberals are like this, because I know they are not. But one person in particular over there is so hateful that she actually HOPES that GWB has fallen off the wagon and is drinking again, as claimed by some tabloid article.
It's really sickening that somebody who claims their party care more about people, so high and mightily more than us horrible selfish conservatives, would say something about ANY other human being, even somebody I guess as despicable as they consider the president to be. She has really cheapened herself and anything further that she might say.
That's the hallmark sign that politics has gone too far in your own head, when you actually hope somebody falls off the wagon, gets sick, doesn't get well, or suffers some other form of personal destruction. I NEVER have those feelings about people of different ideaologies. We are first and foremost human beings and we should never get so low in our own ideology that we cease to be human.
I don't know that there is an unbiased
I don't watch a great deal of news anymore, but I do try to watch a variety of networks to get different takes on events. I also watch C-SPAN, especially for political speeches and events so I don't have to listen to commentators chatter.
Mostly, I do a lot of reading. I read international and national newspapers online, and I renew my subscription to The Economist every year for my birthday.
Uh...you got that FROM Air America. Not exactly unbiased I would say. nm
60 minutes is hardly unbiased....
I am sure the participants were screened, and anyone who had anything good to say about the war were not talked to or left on the cutting room floor. CBS is liberal media at its best. That is no secret. That being said, as I read in Brunson's post, yes I am sure there are a lot of soldiers who probably do not agree with what is going on....probably because the military was not allowed to fight the war LIKE a war (Viet Nam revisited). You know, if I believed liberals really wanted the soldiers home and safe because they wanted the soldiers home and safe, it would be different. But it is a political ploy...they really could care less about the soldiers. Otherwise they would not play directly into the enemy's hands by going public with the lack of will to carry on the fight. I find it really hard to listen to you crow about soldiers' dissatisfaction...you are actually happy when you hear we are losing. To me, that is as unpatriotic as it gets. THAT being said, let me say this: NO soldier WANTS war. War is sometimes necessary because, believe it or not, there are people out there who want to kill you and are not interested in peace with you, only with conquering you. That is a lesson none on the left have learned. I fear for our future if, God forbid, a liberal Democrat gets into the White House.
It cannot be heartening to any soldier on the battlefield to hear that a new man is in charge (confirmed unanimously by the Senate) and in the next breath have their funding threatened and a resolution from THEIR Congress that they are losing the war. No wonder they are depressed. And liberals fall all over each other wanting to drive that point home. And I think you should all be ashamed. But, that is just me.
And again...you said anti-war. Conservatices are not pro-war. No one in their right mind is pro-war. Conservatives just happen to have sense enough to realize that to give peace a chance the enemy has to also be interested in giving peace a chance. When was the last time you saw a Muslim carrying a sign to give peace a chance? When was the last time you saw a Muslim he/she could live beside a Christian in harmony? Or live beside a non-Muslim in harmony? They cannot even live next to each other in harmony.
As I have said before, my husband is certainly not pro-war. He is the gentlest person I know. But he also realizes the threat we face, has been lifelong military now retired and still serving as a civilian working for the Army. He started as an MP, then went into MI, then into force protection, etc. Believe me, he KNOWS the threat we face. And it breaks his heart to see the young soldiers damaged by the nonsupport from home. And whether you believe it or not, public backpedaling and spinelessness when the going gets tough is damaging to them. No wonder they want to come home. I can hardly blame them. Maybe this country, the way it has become, is NOT worth dying for anymore. And that is too profoundly sad to even think about.
"womenagainstsarahpalin", wow how unbiased
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Your opinion is about as unbiased as
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I think your news isn't so unbiased either
This has NOT been about race, if anything, that is the one subject everyone has ignored. The only ones who bring up race is the Obama supporters who claim that's why the Republicans don't want him as president, forgetting the myriad other reasons why. Also, it seems that is why Obama is handled with kid gloves, rather than really anyone grilling him as to his plans. So, in that way, perhaps race HAS been a factor. In Obama's FAVOR.
Not exactly an unbiased source!
Charles Krauthammer isn't someone whose judgment I would trust. He's been 100% pro-war policy all the way. Not surprising at all that he'd opt for McCain. What we really see is a lot of former Bush policy supporters abandoning that destructive policy and endorsing Obama instead. Can anyone cite an instance of a well-known real Democrat opting for McCain over Obama? I've been keeping my eye out (fair is fair), but have yet to see one endorsement of that type.
Thanks for an unbiased link. (nm)
Totally unfair. Fox is the only unbiased
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Wow - local news from NY - how unbiased.
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Obama wants a thorough and unbiased investigation and so he sm
has called for a special prosecutor.... you know Acorn is signing up dems and repubs...these repubs are so desperate that they are even turning off their long time followers.
No, goofy. Republicans are REAL people, real
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If the real folks, with real hope, faith, and
and for our country's future who participate here on this forum were just a tad as healthy, wealthy and wise as this poster considers herself, we probably wouldn't be sitting in front of these silly computers trying to make a living!! Can't figure why she is here other than tell us how healthy, wealthy and wise she is and we are not!
As totally unbiased as the smear campaign on the CON board....?
And before casting aspersions on others?
Unbiased opion? Oh, gourdpainter, you're my new hero.
I mean, I thought that Macaque Obama was full of sh it. But, lady, YOU take the cake. I mean, YOU make Macaque look downright HONEST by comparison.
Maybe you could work for his campaign. I hear he pays REAL well. (You don't mind changing your name to Chicago Joe's Kid Kamp or Chi-Town Youth Enrichment or something, do you? 'Cuz then he could throw you HEAPS of money and no one would ever figure it out.
Yeah, TOTALLY unbiased. whooeee... Can't stand this shrew!
Conservative vs true conservative
The Conservative:
I'm a conservative. I believe in individual liberty, free markets,
private
property, and limited government, except for:
1. Social Security;
2. Medicare;
3. Medicaid;
4. Welfare;
5. Drug laws;
6. Public schooling;
7. Federal grants;
8. Economic regulations;
9. Minimum-wage laws and price controls;
10. Federal Reserve System;
11. Paper money;
12. Income taxation and the IRS;
13. Trade restrictions;
14. Immigration controls;
15. Foreign aid;
16. Foreign wars of aggression;
17. Foreign occupations;
18. An overseas military empire;
19. A standing army and a military industrial complex;
20. Infringements on civil liberties;
21. Military detentions and denial of due process and jury trials for
citizens
and non-citizens accused of crimes;
22. Torture and sex abuse of prisoners;
23. Secret kidnappings and renditions to brutal foreign regimes for
purposes of torture;
24. Secret torture centers around the world;
25. Secret courts and secret judicial proceedings;
26. Warrantless wiretapping of citizens and non-citizens;
27. Violations of the Constitution and Bill of Rights for purposes of
national security;
28. Out-of-control federal spending to pay for all this.
The Libertarian (true conservative):
I'm a libertarian. I believe in individual liberty, free markets,
private
property, and limited government. Period. No exceptions.
Spin this one.
Parish President Aaron Broussard breaks down on Meet The Press
The guy who runs this building I’m in, Emergency Management, he’s responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, “Are you coming, son? Is somebody coming?” and he said, “Yeah, Mama, somebody’s coming to get you.” Somebody’s coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Friday… and she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night! [Sobbing] Nobody’s coming to get us. Nobody’s coming to get us. The Secretary has promised. Everybody’s promised. They’ve had press conferences. I’m sick of the press conferences. For god’s sakes, just shut up and send us somebody.
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There wasn't anyone to send. By all accounts this is not a unique story. At another nursing home 30 residents perished for lack of any assistance. How many nursing homes in New Orleans? Patients too ill to move laid in the beds on the roof of Charity Hospital awaiting rescue and had to watch healthy non-essential personnel being evacuated from the roof of Tulane (closely tied to government research agencies) across the street. The chopper left and it didn't come back for them. The doctors at Charity were reduced to giving each other saline IVs to hold off dehydration so they could try to continue to protect their patients while armed drug addicts were shooting the locks below trying to get in to get the drugs they thought were there. How many of those patients or doctors are alive now? Seems like everyone coming out of there has a story like these to tell, about horrible things happening not during the hurricane or first flood but two, three, four, five days later. These aren't just unfortunate and unavoidable consequences of natural disaster.
You can spin it however you want....
And, no, I do not think she is decent. I also do not believe she will ever be First Lady. Her own mouth will put an end to that dream....
it the spin
Of course we all know they are just spinning it like they can. If Clinton had gotten Edwards' endorsement then all their talk would be about how it solidifies them as the candidate for the blue collar worker. Obama gets the endorsement, so not it's just not important anyway. It's like the spin on the WV primary. She makes it out to be this crucial swing state the likes of Ohio when it matters little and has trended Republican the last two presidential elections anyway. Well, what else can she do? If that's all you have to work with I guess you blow it out of proportion (or minimize it in the case of Edwards). That's politics for you.
Spin the spin........
I think I will throw up now. Just think, if all animals were gay! And.........truth be told.........billy goats give themselves BJs....................and there are still billy goats!!!! hahahahahahahaha!!!!!
spin, spin, spin. - sm
You stick it - this is a valid news source.
It's out of their own newspaper. What a load of crock that you know the pubs cheat! Check your facts!!!! Oh wait you do know the facts, you just don't want to admit it because your god is in there.
It's the dems who cheat! Plain and simple. You're like a child that doesn't get your way and you decided to throw a temper tantrum.
In the primaries supporters of Hillary had rigged their voting machines so that she received most of the votes, even when people had voted for Barack, they rigged it so it went for Hillary.
Supporters or Hillary who lived in New York and Pennsylvania came to Connecticut and registered there to vote in their state too.
In the 2000 election they found a huge democratic official with a voting machine in his car and he was creating more votes for AL Gore than thee were people. Even the headline in the newspaper read that more people voted for Al Gore that actually lived in the county.
It has always been the democrats who cheat and then they spin it around to make it look like the big bad republicans are doing it.
spin, spin, spin
Change the subject. Nice try. Maybe you missed a very serious case and the pitiful facts surrounding that sex ring in VT a few months ago. Are you sure you really live there? You've got some real doozies for elected officials there. You should be mighty proud to be the #1 most pedophile-friendly state in the union.
Any reason why you try so hard to avoid that story? The perp was supposedly rehabilitated when he was doing all this disgusting stuff. Of course, there's scum in every state.
I'm glad (a) I don't have kids, and (b) I don't live in VT, where you might be someone "supervising" the playground or something. Wow. Where do they find people with such twisted mindsets, anyway?
Pro-war..what a nice little spin
GT I could almost believe you were Cindy Sheehan yourself. Heck, if I were George Soros, Howard Dean, or Michael Moore I'd snatch up as a publicist, a spokesperson in a heart beat. You've sure got the rhetoric down pat. I'm sure you will take this as a compliment but it's not meant that way.
Please do not spin my thoughts on CSK
I stated in my posts that I admire Mrs. very much. You have a very jaded view of Republicans and conservatives, so having a further conversation with you would not be productive and/or would not change your mind. I'm not trying to anyway but just trying to refute some of the gross misstatements in your posts. From your thoughts you think Repubs are the essence of evil. I think putting every Republican in the evil box implies that you are very polarized. I am not. There are some Democrats that I admire greatly as well as there are some Republicans I think should fall off the face of the Earth and vice versa.
I didn't sit and watch the whole funeral (I have to make a living). I heard Sen. Kennedy was there and spoke. I could be wrong on that one. I know there were some very upbeat and positive moments during the funeral. It definitely wasn't a dire depressing event. I'm only making comments about the politicans. You may think that no one was put off by Carter's comments, but please be assured talk radio is abuzz about the inappropriateness of the comments during Mrs. King's funeral and how classless it was. I'm sure the majority of the audience agreed with Carter. Our present Commander in Chief attended the funeral and to insult him nearly directly was definitely inappropriate and classless to say the least, especially at a funeral.
I think you need to get your facts about the Wellstone funeral straight. The Wellstone funeral turned into a Republican bash-fest by Democrats, so I don't see your point in bringing that up as an example of Republicans desecrating a funeral, because Democrats did that all on their own.
Anyway, I think America sees what is going on. I know that many people don't agree with Bush, but most people don't have the deep seated hate for Bush that you and other liberals seem to share.
This is my last post on the subject here...have a nice evening.
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