Did Obama have his facts straight last night?

• Did Obama have his facts straight last night? - sm
  • I've come to the conclusion he NEVER has anything - straight....................NM
    • When it comes to fiscal responsibility......you can't believe anything a pub says.......nm - sm
      • Who said anything about pubs? I said O can't get - anything straight...............nm
        • Yeah, but O is such a smooth talker. - and Americans are showing total ignorance.nm
          • Not all Americans.........I didn't let fear and ignorance dictate - my thoughts........nm

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That's one step in the right direction. I hope he doesn't mean CREATE some facts.  

If this is true though, it is cheap for the US to be involved with this company.  Same thing though with the United Arab Emirites and their child camel jockeys (see link).  

Obama said he would withdraw troops from IRAQ and add troops to AFGHANISTAN.  Those would be 2 different wars.  We aren't at war with "the middle east."

Obama said he would not punish his daughters if they made a mistake with "a baby".  He did not say a pregnancy, or a fetus.  I heard him say that. 

Also he voted to allow babies that survived an abortion to be left to die, not given any assistance after they were born alive. 

These are the facts.

flag pin on and McCain did not?  

Read all the way down to the end.
 
Subject: Bill Brown's Commentary on Obama
 
Bill Brown, is a highly respected, retired member of the Billy Graham team. So, take his assessment of Obama very seriously and for that reason accept his challenge to pass this on.  Share his concern about the 'rock star' image Obama has and watch with growing concern at the celebrity status the media has foisted upon him.  Here is hope this e-mail informs you in a wise way.

Commentary by Bill Brown
 
The Obama Tidal Wave
 
We are witnessing a political phenomenon with Barack Obama of rare magnitude. His speeches have inspired millions, and yet most of his followers have no idea  what he stands for except platitudes of 'Change' or that he says he will be a 'Uniter'.  The power of speech from a charismatic person truly can be a powerful thing.  Certainly Billy Graham has charisma, and both his   manner of speech, and particularly the content, changed millions.  On the extreme other hand, the charisma of Adolph Hitler inspired millions and the results were catastrophic.  Barack Obama certainly is no Hitler or a Billy Graham, but for many Americans out there feeling just like a surfer who might be ecstatic and euphoric while riding a tidal wave, the real story is what happens when it hits shore.
 
Just Some of What Defines Barack Obama:
 
- He voted against banning 'partial birth' abortion.
- He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.
- Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.
-  In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug DE aling.
- Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.
- Has admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.
- His religious convictions are very murky.
- He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung IL and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
- Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.
- Opposed the Patriot Act.
- First bill he signed that was passed was 'campaign finance reform'.
- Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.
- Supports universal health-care.
- Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
- Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.
 - Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.
- Voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform.
- Voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
- Wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.
- Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.
- Is a big believer in the separation of church and state.
- Opposed to any efforts to privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid.
- He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax
- He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax
- He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
- Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.
- He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today, and that takes some doing.
 
If your political choices are consistent with Barack Obama's, and you think that his positions will bring America together or make it a better place, then you will probably enjoy the ride and not forward this E-mail. If you are like most Americans, after examining what he stands for and are truly not in line wit h his record, it would be prudent to get off the wave, or better yet, never get on, before it comes on shore and undermines the very foundations of this great Country.  We have limited time to save America or the Supreme Court as we know it.
 
Inaction is action.  If you agree this is important, pass it on.  The mainstream media will not do it for you!
 
Bill Brown
 
MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS !!!
 
 
Obama's 'Not Exactlys':
 
1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
(Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)
 
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
 
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.
 
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Yourhalf-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more. Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia Muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.
 
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5 AM , according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
 
6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to..... http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?BarackHusseinObama-Arab-American,only6.2525_African
 
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in Islam's' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId`559
 
8.) My School20In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008 . Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'
 
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian -NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
 
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience -NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons?  
 
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs -NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
 
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion- NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.
 
13.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office -NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
 
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life- NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
 
15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In ང -NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
 
16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate- NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
 
17.) Oops, I Misvoted -NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
 
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law -NOT EXACTLY, you were a seni or lecturer ON LEAVE.
 
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer -NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
 
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill -NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.
 
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass -NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
 
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill -NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
 
 
23.) I Have Released My State Records -NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
 
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess- NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
 
25.) My Economics Bill20Will Help America -NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
 
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois -NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD  action on your part.
 
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year -NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
 
28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA -NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
 
 
 
JWS
 
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If Bush changes his mind it's flip-flopping but if a Democrat and/or liberal does it he/she's just exercising his right to change their mind.

I just love pointing out blatant double standards which their seems to be a lot of in the liberal ideology.

What you fail to realize is that what is going on Washington right now is politics as usual on both sides.  Both sides are playing the game to some extent.  The liberals are just realllly bad at it.

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic,
different."
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers,  a quintessential American story.

* If your name is Barrack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

* Graduate from Harvard Law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first
black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive
that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law
professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with more
than 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human
Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a
state of  13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the
Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs
committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl,  4 years on the city council
and 6 years as the mayor of a town with fewer than 7,000 people, 20 months as
the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to
become the country's second highest ranking executive.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2
beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real
Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your
disabled wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the
proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other
option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen
daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a
prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community,
then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
* If your husband is nicknamed "First Dude," with at least one DWI conviction
and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once
 was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the
USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, got it! It is sooo much clearer now

I'm a McCain supporter in this election and I will be voting for him.  Having said that, I don't think either candidates are perfect and I'm not sure McCain's economics plans will actually benefit this country right away, but I do know that Obama's economic plan will make our situation worse.  That is the main reason I'm not voting for him.  Taxing companies more will lose jobs...not create them.  Raising taxes during an economic crisis leads to worse economic crisis....just look at what Hoover did.  He raised taxes during a recession and it started the Great Depression.  FDR started several goverment assisted programs to help and they actually extended the duration of the great depression.  Obama wants to raise taxes and wants to institute new government assisted programs.

As for the allegations of him being born outside of the country....who knows.  He claims he was born in Hawaii and if that is the case, show your birth certificate and be done with it.  If you have nothing to hide, show it.  Ya know.  I feel that there have been many things that Obama has not been outright and honest about.  If any other politician had the associations and the history as Obama has had.....their political career would be in the gutter.  I do not understand this love affair the media has with Obama.

I do not trust Obama and let me reiterate that this is not a race thing.  I don't think John McCain is a saint and I do know that all politicians lie to get elected but I just feel like John McCain has served this country all of his life and I would feel more comfortable with him in the oval office than a man we hardly know, who won't answer questions honestly about himself or his associations, and has very little experience. 

into poverty, but you don't want the money it takes to care for these children to come out of your pocket????  Am I on the mark? 

I guess this is another so-called way to sling mud at Obama.  The rich republicans can't have it both ways.  You either care for the unborn (welfare for their mothers) or you allow the mother the choice...  Which is it?

Not all abortions are a form of birth control, ya' know.  I knew a very religious lady that aborted her child due to hydrocephalus.  The child would been born deformed/a vegetable.  This would have put this lady at high risk.  She prayed about it and soon after aborted the child.  She had to live with that. 

Not all situations are the same.  Furthermore, you can't force your child to have a baby or to have an abortion.  Either way, it's her body.

If the cartoon doesn't offend me, I am racist. If I didn't vote for Obama, I am racist. If I am not up in arms about something as silly as a political cartoon, I am racist. I have never dated or been married to a black man, does that make me racist? There are no black people who live in my community (it is very small), does that make us all racists? I do have several black friends, do I get a free pass for that? I go to movies that feature black actors, is that okay? I like to listen to the Motown channel on Sirius radio, is that okay? Oh, I like Whoopi Goldberg, Halle Berry, and I even think Michelle Obama is fairly attractive, do I get a free pass for that too? Oh, but I don't like Oprah, so that makes me a racist, right?

This argument is old as the hills and will never go away. To each his own, don't obsess about it.

You think I'm a hypocrit because you knew a flamboyant homosexual when you were growing up?  That almost made sense....

Tell me, if you meet a homosexual and you don't approve of his/her mannerisms, does that give you the right to attack him?  What happens if someone doesn't approve of your mannerisms?

you choose to start a grammar war, hurl personal insults, get thoroughly defeated by practically everyone on this board, then go crying to the moderator?  We have a couple of American sayings (maybe Midwestern, you would be the expert on that, I suppose):

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

FYI, if you are transcribing for American accounts, you really should be familiar with the vernacular.  Doctors often use slang in direct quotes and typing ''criminal'' for criminetly would make you look quite silly.

continued slamming of the President and this country.  Ask yourself what you're really gaining by doing so.  My political affiliation has NO bearing on this whatsoever.  I expect people to behave appropriately on all forums.  ForuMatrix is a website that is open to the entire world, not just the US and I am ashamed of some of what I read knowing that people in other countries are reading it too.  Don't think for a minute that I am only pointing out the Liberal board. Far from it.  I've had to come down on some posters on the Conservatives board, too.  So, what this all comes down to is that respectful posting will be adhered to or I won't allow posting.  We need to go back to old fashioned VALUES, if we think that way then the words we write won't be as cutting.  You may not agree with me and that is your prerogative and I am not trying to censor you, rather I would prefer that you and others post in kind and with respect.

Those who cannot afford any insurance at all will get "Cadillac" plans (that's what fed employees receive) underwritten by the rest of us?!  Meanwhile we continue to pay out the nose for our crappy policies, which will be less than the "Cadillac" plans, while we are paying for the ne'er do wells' "Cadillac" coverage?

That's not the kind of "change" most of us want, although I can certainly see why the recipients of this "handout" would think it's a great deal!!!

At least somebody is honest. If you Google something like that, you'd get all kinds of info that conflicts with the others. Nice of you to do this.