Fear
Posted By: NCMT on 2008-09-21
In Reply to: fear is an emotional response - frenula
Fear is a rational response when based on facts. It has enabled humans to survive throughout history, giving us the sense to run from something that is dangerous and encouraging us to use our wits to make good decisions to ensure our future survival. It was your fellow committed dems below who said their reasoning for not liking Palin is because "she creeped them out" and they don't like her voice. Is that the type of voters we want?
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Fear Mongerer? Obama? McCain and Cheney were fear mongerer
and they STILL ARE !
A *fear tactic* . . .What is to fear in a
bother you!
Nothing to fear
abide by the law. Why does that scare you?
I fear you are right.
They will be back under this administration. That, however, doesn't mean they are any good. it just means they will be there. Then we shall see whether they help or harm.
More fear??
 I absolutely agree with you. It seems that the harder Obama works to clean up the mess left by Bush the more ridiculous over-the-top the accusations get from the Repubs and Conservatives. Really, it is okay to not agree with Obama but come on-if you need to b***h, at least make it real. Trying to increase unemployment to wipe out capitalizism?? Puleez!!
Politics of fear?
Intrigued by what is scaring you and why. A few questions. Politics of fear. Which party embodies and promotes this concept? Why? Whose agenda does it serve? Who benefits? More importantly, who doesn't? Visions of terrorists licking their chops with itchy trigger fingers? Where is this coming from? Media? Party rhetoric? Bush/Cheney/McCain? If you think they will attack "no matter who the president will be" then the politics of fear and its manipulation is working well on you and we are all doomed to repeat that anguish. So you fight fear with more fear and leave that weapon in the hands of a hot head? Does that scare you more or make you feel more safe? Do you want to base your vote on a surrender to fear?
Now, how about that other conference table vision? You fear the Obama cult? What is it that they are following? Hope? Vision? A different approach? What does the alternative have to offer? An alliance of diplomacy?
While doing your research, it might help you to go to the following link and read it in it's entirety, including all the links embedded under At a Glance. Would be very interested if you are still having those visions and feeling as frightened after your research.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/#diplomacy
My fear is that if we bail them out
what have they learned. They obviously won't have any consequences to their actions. We will be the ones to suffer for their greed and crimes. However, what is to become of us if we don't bail them out? I really don't know the answer to this. I am just thoroughly ticked off that our government has allowed things to get like this. Now they are sitting around crying and whining, pointing fingers, wanting special interests included in the bill, etc. I'm just so disgusted.
The fear of Obama --
Why do some people think that 1 person can change everything? I've read comments on various sites, injecting fear that Obama is the one they speak of in Revelations, that he is a muslim trying to infiltrate this country from the inside out.
I hope that if anything can be learned by this recent economic situation, it is that 1 person, even the "top dog", can't bring about a change unless everyone else is on board. Pres Bush himself couldn't even get this bill passed. If he's top dog and he can't make that kind of change, why the fear that Obama could?
Excuse me, but we should fear someone who has a
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fear machine
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/10/01/ldt.tucker.economy.cnn
Here is where that comes from......fear factor
Brad Sherman is right....sorry bunch of cowardly people we put in there who brown-nose out of nothing more than fear that they feed on with each other. Nothing written in cement.....just the fear factor!
http://revolutionarypolitics.com/
Fear mongering. Do you ever have anything...sm
positive to say? You are the one who is marching in lock step with the republican party. There are good, average and bad in each party. No one is all bad or all good. Get it?
Obama knows the fear everyone has
He knows everyone is so worried about the economy that many will ignore his associations, his true feelings and where they lie. Unfortunately, many are doing just that.
I fear for his life.
I truly do worry about Barrack Obama for the simple fact that there are nut jobs out there who would rather he be killed than take the presidency. We've already had one plot to take his life. I hate to say that I believe there will be more. I will not be voting for Barrack Obama and I do believe he is a liar and will drag this country down into the dumps, but I do not wish him any harm.
If, God forbid, something horrible should happen to Barrack Obama....I believe it will tear our country apart. It will segregate us and racism will become even worse than it is now. We could potentially have our own civil war started with all of this.
The only thing we have to fear is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
I really think that this is a ridiculous fear. sm
Should it happen, feel free to say, "I told you so." But I really think that you are all being just about as ridiculous as those saying the Obama is the antichrist. Neither is very likely in my opinion.
Smear = Fear
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Another lie. Another SMEAR=FEAR.
Please stop spreading lies.
Sorry, didn't mean to cause fear...(sm)
It sounds to me like the contractors may be able to get out before this is implemented......Hopefully they all will.
For those of you who so fear socialism
(and I don't want to see socialism), what do you think the Bush administration has done? Buying interests in banks, etc.
I also know quite a few wealthy folks and some who are just well-to-do. All grieve their losses in the stock market and they are all RABID REPUBLICANS who supported John McCain. They HATE Obama. They "get it." They hate him because they believe he is going to raise their taxes so he can lower taxes on the working class. All of them have been part of the working class. The wealthiest one is a widow who married her money. They aren't afraid of "Robin Hood," they're afraid of having to give back some of the windfall Bush gave them with his tax cuts.
Your fear of fact is
FOS
Fear SHOULD be acknowledged
It's a major players in this economic woes. MILLIONS of Americans don't need any politician or reporter to monger them into fear. They are there already, all by themselves. Losing their jobs, houses and savings, not being able to afford health care, medicines and food, uncertainty of what the future will bring. Pretty scary stuff. Acknowledging what Americans already know, defining the problem and signaling an awareness of how widespread the fear is before presenting a solution seems more than apprpriate to me. Some of us find it reassuring to know that our leaders are acutely aware of what we are going through. beats the heck out of repeated and blatent denial such as what we witnessed in the recent past when recession was whispered only in terms of the R-word.
FEAR will happen -
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should be - do NOT live in fear.
typing too fast and with too much emotion!
He's nothing more than a fear mongerer....
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To them it is a bad idea because they fear
they might come after THEM.
Therefore they want them out of the country.
They are the responsible ones, they ordered it and the ones who followed the rules were imprisoned.
No wonder Cheney is so desperately trying to defend his misdeeds.
And those of us who are conservative are living in fear that...
our courts will further erode our society to the point that everything goes. Heck, one third of the country already has to live with the notion that their 12-year-old can consent to an abortion without our knowledge (thanks to the 6th circuit court in California, legalize gay marriage without letting "we the people" decide how we want our society (yes, 78% of Americans are against it), and I could go on and on. Do you like the fact that another priviate citizen can now take your property just because HIS use of that property would generate more income for the government? Sounds like socialism is rapidly becoming fascism to me. You can thank the imminent domain decision to those wonderful progressives on the court. Yes, let's hope we get another Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the court so our country can continue it's slide down the toilet.
Fear, intimidation, threats.
Sounds like the Bush machine is working overtime. 
Not to fear. The Chinese are interested in...
...purchasing these American icons. More selling out of America, right under our noses.
Thank you, Congress. 
Chinese Automakers May Buy GM and Chrysler
By Bertel Schmitt
November 18, 2008 -
Chinese carmakers SAIC and Dongfeng have plans to acquire GM and Chrysler, China's 21st Century Business Herald reports today. [A National Enquirer the paper is not. It is one of China's leading business newspapers, with a daily readership over three million.] The paper cites a senior official of China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology–– the state regulator of China's auto industry–– who dropped the hint that "the auto manufacturing giants in China, such as Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) and Dongfeng Motor Corporation, have the capability and intention to buy some assets of the two crisis-plagued American automakers." These hints are very often followed with quick action in the Middle Kingdom. The hints were dropped just a few days after the same Chinese government gave its auto makers the go-ahead to invest abroad. And why would they do that?
A take-over of a large overseas auto maker would fit perfectly into China's plans. As reported before, China has realized that its export chances are slim without unfettered access to foreign technology. The brand cachet of Chinese cars abroad is, shall we say, challenged. The Chinese could easily export Made-in-China VWs, Toyotas, Buicks. If their joint venture partner would let them. The solution: Buy the joint venture partner. Especially, when he's in deep trouble.
At current market valuations (GM is worth less than Mattel) the Chinese government can afford to buy GM with petty cash. Even a hundred billion $ would barely dent China's more than $2t in currency reserves. For nobody in the world would buying GM and (while they are at it) Chrysler make more sense than for the Chinese. Overlap? What overlap? They would gain instant access to the world's markets with accepted brands, and proven technology.
21st Century Business Herald, obviously with input from higher-up, writes that Chinese industry must change and upgrade. China wants their factories to change from low-value-added manufacturing to technically innovative and financially-sound high-value-add industries. Says the paper: "It would be much easier now for strong Chinese automakers to go global by acquiring some assets of their U.S. counterparts in times of crisis."
Deloitte & Touche sees a trend: "Chinese automakers can start with buying out the OEM projects and Chinese ventures of some global carmakers such as GM and Chrysler."
The Chinese appear to have bigger plans than an accounting firm can imagine. 21st Century Business Herald acts and writes as if its already a done deal, and the beginning of more to come. "In the coming two years China is likely to see a few of its large Chinese automakers and other manufacturing enterprises set a precedent for achieving globalization by acquiring global companies, just like SAIC or Dongfeng's possible acquisition of troubled GM or Chrysler."
Just in case you missed it, the Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) is China's largest auto manufacturer. In 1984, the company entered a joint venture with Volkswagen. A decade later, SAIC entered a joint venture with General Motors. In 2007, SAIC bought the Nanjing Automobile Corporation, which had acquired British MG Rover in 2005.
Dongfeng Motor Corporation is a public company, although 70 percent of their shares are reported to be in government hands. They also are one of China's Big Three. The company has numerous joint venture partners, such as Nissan, Peugeot-Citroen, Honda, and Kia. Dongfeng (which means "East Wind") was founded at the behest of Mao Zedong himself in 1968.
Obama supporters have nothing to fear
nm
Here's the fear card, people.
Lap it up.
That's not a fear card, that's the truth.
If Clinton had dealt with the terrorists a little sooner, 9/11 may not have even happened. I know this is a shoulda/coulda kind of statement, but everyone's always going on about Bush and the war - I may not agree with why he went into Iraq, but I know with him in the Oval Office, we're a lot safer in this country, as well as several other countries. The truth is that there are many people that hate us and our country not because of who our President is, it's because we choose to be free, have freedom of speech and freedom of religion and freedom from tyranny. Can you imagine someone just walking into the White House and declaring himself President? That happens in the kind of countries that hate us. There are problems in this country, yes, but at least be glad that you live in a country where you won't get sent to jail or killed because you have different beliefs than the government. And as far as being afraid of these people? We should be!!! They have nuclear weapons (or will soon) - you don't think they're crazy enough to use them? That's why I want someone leading my country who's not afraid to stand up and say NO! You can't mess with my country and her people!!! Now, whichever candidate you think will do that is the one that deserves your vote.
Could you please cite your sources? No fear here.
Don't you think you are being just a little presumptuous? There is nothing to fear from Saracuda. O will not be addressing her seriously because he is running against the tin man...you know, the silenced sidekick whose mouth has rusted shut that tags along behind her? How presidential do you think that he is looks when he behaves like that? Dems have BTDT 24 years ago. Geraldine Ferraro surged polls up to the sky for a week or 2, yet ended up being the same kind of sideshow JM has become when it was time to come back to earth and address campaign issues. Hype and hysteria is no substitute for substance.
fear is an emotional response
based on perceived danger. Trying to "reason" with fear or fight emotion with "facts" is fruitless. The dems have millions of new voters registered, we are not overly concerned about losing a few votes from those ruled by emotion rather than reason. That's what democracy is all about. Vote or not vote based on any whatever floats your boat.
We are all evil to fear mongers!
Hey fear mongers...Boo!
Fear is that they will still collapse even after the bail out.
Hedge funds are about to fold. Derivatives which I do not understand are a whole other ballgame - They are what made the hedge fund managers millionaires - it is like betting on stocks (as one would with football) and is somehow linked to the stock market.
This site explains it well:
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/06/derivatives-market-is-unwinding.html
fear has ruled us for eight years
It is a breath of fresh air to show TRUE faith in God, America, and Americans, by not being afraid of us.
A true Christian has no fear....
Why do you fear anything?
All we hear from the Christians is fear...
Obama scares them, liberals scare them, pro-choice people scare them, people who believes different than they do scare them, their own shadows scare them, etc., etc., etc.
Personally, I have no greater fear than........ sm
the fear of the unknown. Because Obama's promise of transparency went up in a wisp of smoke, many Americans fear what he may do without us knowing and how those actions may affect us.
guns, fear, what a post, blah
Nah, I dont think terrorists will come my way but, however, when I move back to NY next year (cant wait), if a terrorist decides to blow up my beloved subway system or Long Island railroad, I dont think a gun would mean much. I do suggest Bush check out our borders cause right now Im living in CA, two hours from the Mexican border and it is quite easy to get across, without a problem at all and he should also check out the trucking industry cause there has been a question that possibly they can blow up trucks but, however, you cant live your life in fear. Im not afraid..Im living my life as I have. Im not afraid to die..With introspection, however, I am a bit fearful of suffering, so if it ever happened, I would hope I would die, not suffer, ya know?
Mark Fiore's Minister of Fear sm
This is a little old, but a funny short animation on Homeland Security's fear-mongering.
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0428,fiore,55135,9.html
Fear is the greatest means of control.
They tried to scare people into believing that registering automobiles would lead to confiscation. Know anybody that had the government take away their car?
Nothing silly about the fear McBush inspires
There is one thing that all of these frustrated, angry posters have in common. All have lived their lives under 8 years of the Bush regime; some in denial, others in bondage.
Dems don't fear the lipstick platform. SP cannot fix
Hate to break this to you, but a convention bounce in unreliable polls that change on a daily basis does not a catipult make. No party who plans to base a campaign on personality over policy can spin their way to victory in light of the dire situation we now face with the economy.
Dems get this much. Our job right now is to focus on the critical issues that we all share and to contrast the candidates' solutions to the problems that MUST be addressed. The question in the voting booth will be who can deliver the kind of change that is best for the nation and how far away can we get from W's mass descruction. 90% does not have a whole lot of political capital on that score.
You meant only the people who want to be free fear it
It's obvious you must be one of the people who hardly has anything and believe others should work twice as hard to give it to you so you don't have to work.
I understand what your saying as my MIL believes because my father has a decent retirement she actually came out and told me that he was being greedy and should pay more money in taxes so those less fortunate (her) could share in some of the wealth. She didn't like when I spoke up and told her he worked his behind off to get where he was. He had bad times and good times, invested very little and was lucky to be able to save enough so he could retired without worrying whether he would starve or not, and so why should he have to give up what he worked for (he was no millionaire by the way, just had enough to live in his house and go out to eat each week) to the people that don't work but could. At first I thought she had a lot of nerve, then I realized she was a socialist/communist (don't know the difference - they seem the same to me).
Reliable link? More fear mongering I think. You...sm
republicans will believe anything!
I am not clear, why do you hate/fear muslims?
history shows us many atrocities have been done in the name of people's 'religions' so what makes muslims the target...I see just as much intolerance and hatred right here, in church. ?
You fear-mongers are much scarier than Ayers.
"I knew Barack Obama, absolutely. And I knew him probably as well as thousands of other Chicagoans," Ayers said. "And like millions of other people worldwide, I wish I knew him better right now."
Ayers, now a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, calmly dismissed any belief that he and Obama are covering up a deeper bond.
"This idea that we need to know more, like there's some dark hidden secret, some secret link, is just a myth, and it's a myth thrown up by people that wanted to exploit the politics of fear," Ayers said. "And I think it's a great credit to the American people that those politics were rejected. The idea that we should continue to be frightened and worried and barricaded is falling down, and it should."
Obama could produce FEAR FACTOR!
It's funny how Obama can ramble on and on and on about all the Americans out of jobs; however, he refuses to enforce the E-Verify bill already in place to make sure NO illegals continue to take their jobs, which they are. He couldn't give a rats butt about those jobs. The proof is in his lack of doing anything about the illegal invasion in this country. He's very good at using all his fear tactics with all his big adjectives and descriptives out the ying yang, but he hasn't done ONE SINGLE THING to stop American employers from giving illegals American citizens' jobs.
He's just wanting that stimulus package passed so bad, he'll continue to get on TV and promote more fear....................
And for those posters who said he has taken ALL THE PORK OUT DAYS AGO, get in the real world, will ya? He JUST said on his little announcement that there is PORK that needs to be taken out STILL. All I hear now is blah, blah, blah, blah.................
He can sign 5 executive orders in his first 3 days of office but he can't enforce E-Verify! That big fat smile doesn't make me melt and it doesn't fool me either. He ain't got what it takes.
Now all you O lovers can flame away........... then tell me why he can't enforce E-Verify! It's a law ya know!!! You'll probably have to look it up first.
I'll reply to you for fear of what I'd say to the above poster
I do hope this topic ends. I thought it was over until someone brought it up (which I imagine is to keep getting people in arguments). I'll tell you one thing. Between this and the last time this subject was posted I have never seen so many ignorant posts. A couple of them are so blatantly iggys it's astounding we have come this far in our technology and tolerance, yet there are others with no tolerance and they want it their way or the highway. Their way meaning their screwed up mentality. Unfortunately their puritan viewpoints are so outdated. I'm just shocked there are still people like this around.
They all profess to "know" the bible or know just what exactly God wants. They'll talk about god and in the same sentence they spew their hatred and bigotry for another group that don't "think" like they do.
However, I would not call the bible or their beliefs a fairytale. A fairytale is something good. A fairytale is something I would tell me children. What they are spewing and how they believe people should live is not good. It's more of what we here call delusional. They have this "god" that according to them loves all and yet at the same time would want them to be shouting out their hatred and bigotry of others? Kind of doesn't match.
They'll say S&G was destroyed by god because of homosexuality. Yeah, right. Just like the twin towers and destruction of New Orleans was caused by the gays. When I was growing up and the religion was forced on me, we learned in our church and sunday school that S&G was destroyed because the people were proud and arrogant (sounds like some of the posters on this board). They were self-indulgent. They assumed no responsibility for the poor people and they had no social conscience. They were haughty with an attitude of superiority and arrogance (again sounds like some of the posters on this board). They committed abominations before God. These abominations included things like having sex with the wife while she was having her period, men having sex with other people than their wives, orgies between men and women. No where in their "book" does it say anything that S&G was destroyed because of the homosexuals. they can take any passage they want and twist it to fit their sick little minds and lifestyle. One passage in the bible can be obscurred into many different meanings depending on what you want it to mean.
Then they proclaim to "know" why marriage was invented. "To produce the next generation". Oh my gawd! They surely cannot be that seriously stoopid. So does that make people who marry because they love each other but they don't want to bring life into this screwed up world sinners? My understanding from research and studying is that marriage was "created" to unite two people together whom love each other and want to devote themselves to each other for the rest of their lives. Not to "produce the next generation".
The worse was calling us Queers. That ranks right up there with fa**ot, lesb*, nigg**, homo, kike, whop, cracker, and every other disgusting and vile word. Oh yeah, I'm sure their god is right there saying "right on Patty, or right on Louise, yeah, call them some other hateful and nasty names. Here, say this to them because there is nothing more I want than to hurt other people"
All I say is I'm glad I don't belong to their delusional club thinking that god is giving them a free pass to be nasty to others.
So, I posted to you instead of blasting the above poster ALouise. Or even Patty. She's just as bad and I don't even respond to her or read her posts anymore.
Just easier to ignore the iggys.
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