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For the last time, Obama was on a board with Ayers REPUBLICANS ARE STILL and

Posted By: McCain involved in Iran/Contra on 2008-10-20
In Reply to: Something to consider - sm

Obama's involvement was minimal and Ayers is NOT a threat to the US. After 911 were they looking at him? no.



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Obama and Ayers
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
It is not about how old Obama was when Ayers was ....
bombing things...it is his adult associations with the man. Either you have not researched the relationship other than the mainstream media and connected the dots, or have connected the dots, know there is a relationship and don't care. Some of us DO care.

I am not as concerned about the above post as I am about the radicalism of Bill Ayers that Barack Obama shares. He will not be up front about that because he knows it would cost him the election. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Why is Obama friends with Ayers?
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=sTy00vCy9d0&NR=1
and brezinski, ayers, obama, and
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Obama's Ayers Problem Deepens

Obama’s Ayers problem deepens


By Michelle Malkin  •  August 27, 2008 09:34 AM


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The Chicago bully tactics aren’t going to work. While Obama sics his lawyers and Kossack minions on TV stations that dare to air an independent ad about his close relationship with Weather Underground terrorist-turned-academic Bill Ayers, the truth is seeping out. Thanks to the efforts of NRO’s Stanley Kurtz, blogger Steve Diamond, and intense pressure from Internet readers and talk radio listeners, the University of Illinois - Chicago was forced to release a trove of papers that a former official attempted to shield from public view. There are some 140 boxes and 1,000 files to sift through — and MSM outlets have barely scratched the surface. Kurtz is in Chicago to review the documents and will report tonight on his findings for two hours on Chicago station WGN’s Milt Rosenberg Show. (Good background here, too, in an in-depth discussion on the malign influence of Ayers’ educational philosophy and practice.)


Despite only partial review of the papers, some outlets are pooh-poohing the disclosures. The Chicago Tribune writes: “A partial examination of the documents did not reveal anything startling about the link between Obama, the Democratic presidential contender, and Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground, a Vietnam-era anti-war group that claimed responsibility for several bombings.”


And yet:



The UIC records show that Obama and Ayers attended board meetings, retreats and at least one news conference together as the education program got under way. The two continued to attend meetings together during the 1995-2001 operation of the program, records show.


At a Democratic debate this year when the association between Obama and Ayers was raised, Obama said: “This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood. . . . He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.” Obama called Ayers’ past radical acts detestable.


But critics note that Obama visited Ayers’ home for a meeting at the start of his first state Senate bid in the mid-’90s.


The UIC records showed that Ayers was instrumental in securing the $50 million education grant to reform Chicago Public Schools, part of a national initiative funded by the late Ambassador Walter Annenberg. . After Chicago was awarded the money, Obama served as president of the Challenge’s board of directors, the fiscal arm that disbursed the grants to schools and raised private matching funds. Ayers participated in a second entity known as the Chicago School Reform Collaborative, the operational arm that worked with the grant recipients.


Fox News’s James Rosen uncovered more of Ayers’ unrepentant, radical face while researching his latest book:



William Ayers, who was a founder of the 1960s and 1970s radical group the Weather Underground, told FOX News correspondent James Rosen in a candid 2004 interview that he still believed he was “on the side of justice” years after the group’s wave of attacks.


In the interview, conducted three years after the September 11 attacks, Ayers argued the U.S. government had carried out “many other acts of terror … even recently, that are comparable,” and claimed he and his bomb-planting comrades were “restrained” in their actions.


Ayers, now a professor at the University of Illinois, Chicago, served with Barack Obama on the board of the charitable Woods Fund of Chicago for three years and helped launch Obama’s political career in Illinois by hosting in his Hyde Park home an informal campaign event for the future state senator in 1995.


Ayers claimed the Weathermen were driven by “hope and love,” not despair, and said he did not think the group’s violent acts, targeting federal officials and local law enforcement officers, were “a big deal.”


…Interviewed in May 2004 in connection with Rosen’s book “The Strong Man: John Mitchell and the Secrets of Watergate,” published recently by Doubleday, Ayers affirmed that 9/11 was “an act of pure terror,” one that had caused him to weep, and that terrorism is “always wrong, always evil.” But Ayers also condemned the Bush administration for using the attacks “to advance a right-wing agenda on every front: every uterus must be examined, every tree chopped down, every oil well dug. I mean, it’s absolute madness.”


“I mean, the only group of people that I know who weren’t weeping for the next several weeks [after 9/11] were the people who were busy typing legislation into their computers,” Ayers continued.


When asked about some Palestinians who had been captured on videotape dancing in the streets after the attacks, Ayers said coverage of those individuals had been “overwrought” in the U.S. media, and added: “[E]verybody in the world knows that Americans are geographically challenged and historically challenged. We don’t have a sense of who we are or where we are. So I think every American that I know was weeping over the next several weeks, and devastated and shocked. Was that an act of pure terror? It absolutely was.


“And there are many other acts of terror carried out by our government, even recently, that, that are comparable.


Ayers is not only a flag-trampling apologist for domestic terror. He’s an inveterate liar. Andy McCarthy refreshes your memory.


Obama can wrap himself in the flag and attempt to gag his critics, but his false portrayal of Ayers as just a guy in the neighborhood is not going to fly. Obama’s friend is America’s enemy.


And America deserves to know.


Obama and Ayers forced radicalism in schools...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html

Wow, this is explosive stuff!

Also, James Johnson, who headed Obama's VP vetting committee...one of the Fannie CEOs who walked away with a several million golden parachute. Obama is on the Fannie list of donation recipients...#2 on that list, topped only by Chris Dodd. Wow...that is explosive stuff. Another advisor...Franklin Raines...another fired corrupt CEO from Fannie...walked away with a golden parachute in the multimillions...wow...explosive stuff.


Who Obama listens to.........Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers,
Bernadine Dohrn publicly approved of the Charles Manson murders. And she thought it was great!
These are the people who helped him start his career, such as it is. Now in 2007, not when Obama was 8 years old, but 2007, Ayers hosted Obama's first fundraiser and his good 'ole pal Bernadine Dohrn was sitting there with him. Now, those are the kind of people who he LOVES to spend time with.

You gotta do better than that. You really just do not want to know the truth.
Obama's poor judgement...Michael Pfleger, William Ayers, Tony Rezco..
Jeremiah Wright, Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson, Jamie Gorelick, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac big bucks. We could both go on and on. All politicians are crooked to some extent. Face it, neither one is a great candidate, we have louse options on both sides this time. Fortunately, whoever does win will only serve one term.
I have been saying this on this board for some time.
But you said it better.  The terrorists are REJOICING at the win of the Democrats.  They have their dancing shoes on.  They prefer one, but preferably many mushroom clouds over American cities. Rumsfeld said in his goodbye speech that this was a little understood war.  He is right.  It is little understood because it has been politicized to death and only a handful had their hands on the wheel.  Our being in Iraq did not inflame the jihadists.  We did nothing to provoke 9/11 and all the other numerous acts of terrorism before that.  However, our inaction at striking back against those other acts of terrorism culminated in 9/11.  The blame goes all the way back to Carter and his appeasement policies and the Iran hostage crisis and his abandonment of the Shah of Iran.  Each administration since then shares in the blame.  George Bush was the first president to actually take on the terrorists and now they want to impeach him.  Failure to understand that the islamofascists are going to come for us has been mind boggling to me, but many on this board are of the cut and run cloth.  My son and I were in the American Legion this morning.  My son is in the National Guard and he had his Command Sgt Major uniform on because he is going to be in a Veteran's Day parade today.  Some of the men at the bar were talking about Iraq and one of them said he was so glad the Democrats were in power now so we could get the h**l out of Iraq. I felt my son stiffen up at my side and he slowly turned and gave that man a measuring stare.  No one said anything.  It's hard to believe there are so many people who are just so ignorant.  Thanks for the post.  I am going to show it to my son. 
A new all time low for this board
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You are welcome on the conservative board any time! SM
 Come on over!
I have been on the board a long time. SM
I saw someone on the conservative board being wished to die and burn in hell once.  And there were a lot of other really bad things. Just because it isn't on the first page, doesn't mean it is there.   The suggestion has been made time and time again, not to go to the board if you can't handle it, and you just keep doing it and then whine about it.  What's up with that. I know I am going to get creamed when I come here. Have you ever ONCE heard me whine about it?  I don't THINK so.  There's the difference.  The right is up to here with the left putting the military at risk with their appeasement behavior and we are not feeling like being nice about it.  If you can't take it, stay away. It really is as simple as that.
and your board is dead most of the time anyway
You all can't discuss issues among yourselves, because you have no ideals.  All of you are so different in your ideolgies that you don't even discuss amongst yourselves.  You all have no glue, nothing to bond you together except...oh let's not forget the one thing is that you all hate Bush and conservatives.  Other than that.nothing, zilch, nada.  It's really amazing to see that the conservative board talks about human interest issues and other topics, but liberals, those who are supposed to be all about human issues and solving social problems seem to do nothing but bash, bash, bash.  There's no problem solving going on in the democratic party nor is there any problem solving going on here.  It's obvious to anyone who comes to these boards who are the most active politically and socially and that's the conservatives.  We don't always agree about our president and some of us differ in ideals, but we have some set moral values that we go by, unlike you all where it's anything goes...so you all end up going no where.
First time posting on board
Just had to say I agree. I cannot stand Elizabeth. She's always right and never wrong. She knows it all.
We have been saying this on the C board a long time. Agree. NM

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Does anybody else get error messages half the time they try to post on this board. ?
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Republicans have a lot of nerve calling Obama an elitist! (nm)
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I get amazed every time I come on this board and read "strong Christians" who consistently pas
(Didn't Jesus have something very wise and definite to say about that?), insult and degrade "heathens" if their spiritual beliefs are not EXACTLY those of the mainstream right, even though they supposedly love this country which was founded on religious freedom and tolerance for ALL; cast stones every which way (Jesus also had a lot of good stuff to say about that)....yeah, they can proclaim to know it all if they do it under the "true Christian" banner. Here is a question. If you died this second and had to defend some of these insulting inflammatory statement on this board, other than the fact of saying to Him "I was being a Christian," do you think Jesus would take that as an excuse, or would he shake his head in sadness that you really didn't get "all of the story" of the New Testament, where love, tolerance, mercy, forgiveness, and HUMILITY wer preached to all???????
Republicans will rise from the ashes of the Obama years....waiting patiently.

Republicans favor giving poor families subsidies to afford private schools. Obama opposed.
Yet Obama sends his daughters to a private school, 29,000 for EACH KID. Hypocrisy, here we come. Geesh, not even in office yet.
OBAMA WON.So much for that poll on this board

I know some certain people were voting over and over for McCain.  Well where are all the Palin lovers now?  Eating crow?


 


Not coming out with hate against Obama on this board? Are you serious!?
there's hate all over this board, whether it is because he is black, whether because people believe the anti-Obama stuff, or because he is a LIBERAL, oooohhh, bad boy liberal.  As for Sarah Palin, I don't hate her, I don't know her.  All I know is that she is a very poor pick for VP especially for a man who is 72.  She has no credentials to do the President's job.  Oooo, but Obama has no experience.... Well, he has been all over the world, has met with different heads of state, has been fully vetted, has lived a life that he knows different kinds/types of people, and he is very intelligent.  In all honesty, Sarah Palin does not answer one question with the intelligence that satisfies me, and she dances all around the questions she does not know how to answer.  If she isn't coached, she doesn't do very well.  When she is coached, that is her pat answer for the entire episode of questioning.  Not very smart, not good for America, McCain did not put Country First, he put McCain First.  All a political ploy, and the right fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Saw this on the main board, had to ask the Obama-ites here...
"We have a new administration coming in Washington in a few weeks already expressing a commitment to saving healtcare dollars by forcing an accelerated move to a nationwise EHR system. Will our work be in it at all? ? ? I've said it before, all it would take would be Medicare announcing in future it would no longer reimburse narrative-report costs to do away with most of our jobs within months."

Since a couple people have already told me I can't do my own research, I decided to go with that and just ask you know it alls if this is true or not....
They spoof Obama all the time.

As a matter of fact, he was supposed to be on last night; but due to  Ike, he cancelled his appearance.  You know, it was a bad hurricaine and unlike your hero, he was not going to sit around and watch an entire city drown.


The video depicts how ridiculous McBush's running mate is. 


As oldtimer said, Tina Fey is very talented. 


Obama was their attorney at one time
So as their attorney he didn't know this was going on....like crap he didn't. He was part of the corruption. He continues to be heavily involved with them....lets not hide our heads in the sand.
one more time - I do not worship Obama...
However, at this point, I just think all the complaining and bitterness is just plain counterproductive.

And why is it disprespecting President Bush for him to hold press conferences?
Obama supportors have sunk to an all time low...sm
Has anyone seen this? If it's been posted about already, please forgive me, as I've been busy working.

This just really makes me sick to my stomach, to think that anyone could sink this low.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/09/outrageous-fake-ebay-listing-selling-palins-baby-trig-political-

Baby Trig listed on ebay

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=a-NWKO3QcXA



The only time I've heard Obama
talk about religion where it concerns POLICY is with the abortion issue.  In the 3rd debate he said he was pro-choice because he felt it was a moral issue, guided by religion, lack of religion, or whatever.  To me this means he is (unlike McCain) inclusive of the beliefs of ALL the people, not just some or those who have the same religious beliefs. 
Well...Michelle Obama works full time now...
as does her husband, and their children look beautiful, healthy and well adjusted.

Actually, I believe just the opposite. I believe being governor, actually running a state, is much more of a day-to-day demanding position. Still, she is home most every night. As VP, she will be home most every night. Michelle Obama works full time too, but she is home most every night. As First Lady, Michelle will be required to travel as well...Laura Bush has traveled quite a bit as first lady.

I believe Sarah Palin can handle it and not deprive her children. I also believe that Michelle Obama could handle it just fine and not deprive her chldren. They are both strong women who have a wonderful support system and love their husbands and families...which I don't think precludes them having a career...either as and administrator like michelle obama, or as first lady; and Sarah Palin as governor or VP.

And I think a majority of women in the country would agree with that as well.
Obama vs blank stare, Biden vs no time
Yeah. I'm shaking like a leaf over here.
Obama's voice "irks" me. Every time I hear him, I
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Yes, Obama the great uniter!..proves all the time
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Obama is going to save us.. .it will take time... NO MORE PALIN hahahahaha no more RABIDS nm
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What if Obama didn't hang around with terrorists? What if he was not a long-time follower of a r
Then I would be voting for him.
Ayers

barack was 8 years old when Ayers was active.  I would not hold anyone responsible for knowing an acquaintance's history that remote.  The real question in this election is how is the country doing under repub administration?.  Are things going well for your family and neighbors?  Are you for endless war, repeal of women's right to chose, and putting Social Security in the hands of Wall Street?  Do you want your country in the hands of people who insist on presenting messages about decades-old news and accusations of "celebrity" and think that economically we are basically okay?


 


Big O and Ayers...

http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/08/obama-ayers-top-ten-10-highlights-of-20.html


 


 


Well, Ayers is bad enough but what about his
Ayers' wife is Bernadine Dohrn. This woman is also a radical nutjob, a member of the Wethermen Underground terrorists, of which she has proudly proclaimed to be.

Now, these two are VERY involved with Obama; they helped launch his political career and have been throwing money at it, as well as directly related to jumpstarting his fundraiser.

And for this man to sit there and say he doesn't know them that well at all...

I'm sure most of our mother's told us to choose your friends wisely because you will be judged by the company you keep.

This man sat in the HOME of Ayeres and Dohrn and announced his first campaign for the Illinois State Senate. Yet he says he has NEVER been in their home, has never been friends with them, just sat on a board with them. Bull crap!!

And when backed in a corner he says, "I assumed he had been rehabilitated".

Ayers's wife publically professed that she thought the Charles Manson murders were wonderful! What kind of person uses anything and anyone in order to further his career. That is just unsettling. The Weatherground Underground were largely responsible for those sick people standing around while our Vietnam vets came home and they spit on them and called them murderers.

How can Obama think Ayers was rehabilitated when Ayers has NEVER shown any remorse for his crimes?

Ayers was asked again in 2001 if he would bomb again and he said he wouldn't discount that possibility. Obama thought he was rehabilitated?

And now Obama's campaign is back peddling just a couple of days ago, saying Obama must have been talking about his education work when he thought Ayers had been rehabilitated. Huh?
Ayers: Here we go
So according to Ayers interview he and Obama were family friends, they did a fund raiser together and Ayers donated money to Os earliest campaign.  NOT what O said.  Not at all what O said.  So, if this was a lie, what is next?  Hamas and O are not too hard to believe.  You guys just wait, the truth will all come out.  When i posted about the required statement on his website, i was bashed that this was not true, but look IT WAS. 
They tried to put Ayers in jail! He got off on a
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ayers is a jerk
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What is even scarier is those who would believe Ayers...

Ayers called Obama a family friend


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-talk-ayers-14nov14,0,2979315.story


ayers isn't scary
He's a big fat jerk who belongs in jail.  He probably feels stupid about what he did in the late 60s, realizing there really isn't anything hip or cool about it.  College students shouldn't be allowed to use government money to classes from a terrorist. 
This should be posted under the Ayers garbage.
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Okay, now explain away Bill Ayers.
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another endearing thing about Ayers...
described himself as communist with a small "c." Ahem.
Actually, even though Ayers' terrorism was that long

ago, he was quoted on 9/11/01 in the NYT as saying he feels "we didn't do enough." 


See link below for the article.


Let bygones be bygones?  NOT.  He is only out free because of a legal technicality. 


Like Ayers and Wright and ACORN?
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I will reserve any opinion on the Ayers thing...
until the documents are made public that Columbia University just released regarding Ayers and Obama. Obama may have been 8 when Ayers was active, but just looking at the people Barack was connected with during that time I don't entertain any doubts that he knew exactly who Ayers was and what he had done. If it was in the past, that's one thing. But the man still says he is not a bit sorry that he did what he did. And if he has Obama's ear in any way...that would be a problem for me. But, that being said, it would just be one more thing, because I am not voting for him anyway.

With all due respect, the last few years have been under a democratically-controlled congress, and it has been in the last few years that things got really bad. Not saying it is all their fault, but they certainly haven't done anything to try to fix it. If they are going to be able to suddenly miraculously fix it if a Democrat is elected...all that tells me is that they are dragging their feet at our expense. The American public knows that...that is why Congress' numbers are lower than Bush's.

As a matter of fact, things are going pretty well for my family and my neighbors. The biggest thing, of course, is gas, but I remember when Clinton was in office we had a really LONG run of household fuel (for oil furnaces) was higher than it is now. I am not saying it was Clinton's fault because I don't think turns in the economy are any one man's fault. It is up to Congress to fix that sort of thing, not sit on their hands during a political season. I would be saying the same thing if it was a Dem administration. Has nothing to do with the party, it has to do with a lazy inactive Congress...which is, of course, made up of folks from both parties.

As to endless war...this country has had soldiers in other countries during most administrations since Viet Nam...Clinton had them in Kosovo and Somalia. Might have been "peacekeeping missions" but Americans still died there. And by the way, McCain did not say that the war in Iraq could go on for 100 years. What he said was that there might be an American presence there, like bases. We still have bases where we fought many wars. We had bases in Germany for many years. That has often been misquoted. That being said, he is not my favorite either; however, he fits the bill, for me, better than Obama.

In deference to my erstwhile fellow posters, I will not go into the abortion issue. :-)

The only thing I know about social security and wall street is it was proposed that if someone wanted to, they should be allowed to have control of their social security money and invest it if that was their choice. I have never heard anyone say it was mandatory. Personally, I would like to have control of mine to put into CD's where Congress couldn't raid it to pay for other things. If we had privatized it before, it would still be there because Congress couldn't have gotten their grubby paws on it to "borrow" it. Which, by the way, was done during a Democrat administration.

As to the celebrity and all that, I don't pay attention to attack ads on either side. I have seen some from Obama's side that are pretty harsh and about as silly. I wish they would both stop that stuff and stick to the issues...but that is just me.
I have found all liberals this way. Avoid Ayers,
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Go Big Red!!!!....My hometown kicks Ayers to the curb...sm



UNL cancels speech by Ayers

By Henry J. Cordes and Khristopher J. Brooks
Published: Saturday, October 18, 2008 4:28 AM CDT
Midlands News Service

LINCOLN - The University of Nebraska-Lincoln on Friday evening rescinded its speaking invitation for 1960s radical-turned-educator William Ayers.

University officials cited "safety reasons" for canceling Ayers' Nov. 15 appearance.

Spokeswoman Kelly Bartling declined to elaborate on what safety concerns would keep Ayers from addressing a College of Education and Human Sciences event.

Earlier Friday, Gov. Dave Heineman strongly condemned the invitation and called on the NU Board of Regents and President J.B. Milliken to block it.

An Omaha charitable foundation announced it was pulling all of its contributions to the university. Several other donors also have indicated to university fundraisers that there could be a financial cost if Ayers speaks.

And Nebraskans by the hundreds continued to register their opposition with university administrators and others, lighting up phone lines and filling e-mail boxes.

Heineman said Ayers' invitation was "an embarrassment" to the state and that it goes beyond the bounds of the university's mission.

"Our citizens are clearly outraged and want action," Heineman said in an interview. "This is their university. This isn't even a close call. The university should immediately rescind the invitation."

Dean Marjorie Kostelnik said she spoke Thursday night with UNL Chancellor Harvey Perlman about "the climate around this issue."

She said she also has spoken with representatives of Milliken's office.

Other public officials weighed in about Ayers on Friday, a day after the UNL speech was announced.

Both Sen. Ben Nelson, a Democrat, and Rep. Lee Terry, a Republican, called for cancellation of the speech.

"The invitation made to William Ayers to speak at my alma mater in the midst of a heated national election when he is such a highly controversial figure is an outrage," Terry said.

Nelson said the visit would not promote the unity now needed in the nation.

Said Attorney General Jon Bruning: "Academic freedom doesn't require us to lose our good judgment and common sense."

State Auditor Mike Foley sent the university a long request for information on Ayers' trip, its planning and how it is being funded. UNL officials have said Ayers' appearance would be privately funded.

Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground, a radical group that staged domestic bombings to protest the Vietnam War. Ayers was charged with conspiracy to incite riots, but the charges were dropped because of misconduct by prosecutors.

Ayers went on to gain respect in the education field and become a scholar known for his ideas on school reform. At UNL, the plan was for him to limit his speech to graduate education students to that topic.

The invitation to Ayers was extended in February, long before he became a household name in this year's presidential election because of his ties to candidate Sen. Barack Obama through their shared work a few years ago with a school reform effort.

The Gilbert M. and Martha H. Hitchcock Foundation in Omaha told the university Friday that it would halt all contributions to the university unless the UNL education faculty rescinded Ayers' invitation. The foundation has given millions to the university in the past.

While other donors haven't been as explicit, Clarence Castner, who leads the University of Nebraska Foundation, said it became clear that other contributions were "in jeopardy."

Scholars said a decision to pull an invitation to Ayers could be seen by educators nationally as a school-sponsored curb on academic freedom.

It would make UNL a less attractive school to the faculty members it seeks to recruit, said David Moshman, a UNL education professor writing a book on academic freedom.

Heineman said Friday that "there is no way" the university should lose contributions over Ayers. There are plenty of other respected educators the university could invite to speak, he said.



http://www.nptelegraph.com/articles/2008/10/18/news/60001219.txt
I did hear him explain his relationship with Ayers

other than just saying he lived in the neighborhood and it seemed logical enough to me.


I really believe we are on the brink of a Civil War.  I fully expect that if the 95% of blacks who support Obama don't get their man in office they'll pitch a major hissy fit.  And don't think the white supremists will sit idlely by if Obama is elected.  The biggest difference as I see it is 95% of whites don't support McCain.  So with that 95% it isn't hard for me to believe this race is about race whether anyone wants to admit it or not.


It's been said that the South will rise again and I believe truer words were never spoken although I don't think this Civil War will be anything like the last one.


This is just my opinion so need in calling me a racist.  I've already said I'll take a chance on the unknown and vote against McCain.