Had to leave for a while but back for a couple minutes. Now,
Posted By: Backwards typist on 2009-02-06
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c'mon people. I'm starting to see more and more vile comments on here in the past day or 2 than discussing the issues. Don't get sidetracked. Keep with the issues.
No reason to call someone names because their view is different than yours. Just because we still have freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to call someone else names.
Discuss the issues. That's what this board is supposed to be about. Iif you can't discuss issues, maybe you should find a board that will take your name-calling and snide remarks. Beating a dead horse is not helping matters.
It's getting out of hand again. Let's stop it now. PLEASE.
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Come back in a couple of years....sm
and let me know how you like shopping at a grocery store that has no food on the shelves or how you like going to the "free" medical clinic that is dirty and unsanitary and run by quacks IF you are able to get in to see one of the quacks and then let me know how true you think this is.
The truth is, if Obama is elected and lives to be president (and no, that is not a threat by any means) then we will be living in a communist nation with no civil liberties. That's a deep dark hole to have to dig out of. Look how long it took Russia to break free of communism. Communism is homeless and it is coming to the United States looking for a place to live.
Couple of months back, I was the lone voice on this issue.
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about 15 - 20 minutes - nm
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Wow. I bet it took you 15 minutes
to come up with that mature enlighted come back. You added volumes to what was a nice mature debate. I think its time for you to put on your P.J.s and let mommy tuck you into bed.
60 minutes
I'm looking forward to the interview also.
60 minutes is hardly unbiased....
I am sure the participants were screened, and anyone who had anything good to say about the war were not talked to or left on the cutting room floor. CBS is liberal media at its best. That is no secret. That being said, as I read in Brunson's post, yes I am sure there are a lot of soldiers who probably do not agree with what is going on....probably because the military was not allowed to fight the war LIKE a war (Viet Nam revisited). You know, if I believed liberals really wanted the soldiers home and safe because they wanted the soldiers home and safe, it would be different. But it is a political ploy...they really could care less about the soldiers. Otherwise they would not play directly into the enemy's hands by going public with the lack of will to carry on the fight. I find it really hard to listen to you crow about soldiers' dissatisfaction...you are actually happy when you hear we are losing. To me, that is as unpatriotic as it gets. THAT being said, let me say this: NO soldier WANTS war. War is sometimes necessary because, believe it or not, there are people out there who want to kill you and are not interested in peace with you, only with conquering you. That is a lesson none on the left have learned. I fear for our future if, God forbid, a liberal Democrat gets into the White House.
It cannot be heartening to any soldier on the battlefield to hear that a new man is in charge (confirmed unanimously by the Senate) and in the next breath have their funding threatened and a resolution from THEIR Congress that they are losing the war. No wonder they are depressed. And liberals fall all over each other wanting to drive that point home. And I think you should all be ashamed. But, that is just me.
And again...you said anti-war. Conservatices are not pro-war. No one in their right mind is pro-war. Conservatives just happen to have sense enough to realize that to give peace a chance the enemy has to also be interested in giving peace a chance. When was the last time you saw a Muslim carrying a sign to give peace a chance? When was the last time you saw a Muslim he/she could live beside a Christian in harmony? Or live beside a non-Muslim in harmony? They cannot even live next to each other in harmony.
As I have said before, my husband is certainly not pro-war. He is the gentlest person I know. But he also realizes the threat we face, has been lifelong military now retired and still serving as a civilian working for the Army. He started as an MP, then went into MI, then into force protection, etc. Believe me, he KNOWS the threat we face. And it breaks his heart to see the young soldiers damaged by the nonsupport from home. And whether you believe it or not, public backpedaling and spinelessness when the going gets tough is damaging to them. No wonder they want to come home. I can hardly blame them. Maybe this country, the way it has become, is NOT worth dying for anymore. And that is too profoundly sad to even think about.
Both on 60 minutes and Letterman
Yes, Greenspan said it both on 60 Minutes and Letterman..how American is becoming the rich..rich and the working poor and we must do something about it..
On 60 minutes tonight
mr Mcclain said he had no problem with going to war with Russia as per NATO if they attack Georgia again. I dont know even where Georgia is so I was not sure I would agree the US should have a war with the big country over some were I don't know even where it is. Aren't we enough war already?
I'm watching a few minutes behind
They really are blasting Mccain aren't they?
It sounds like he (Reid) is trying to be the hero...
Yeah, I know what you mean.....we were saying a few minutes ago....sm
well, I guess we have to give the kid a chance.
I would rather be giving the old guy a chance myself.
I guess we'll see what tomorrow brings, won't we.
He was on TV a few minutes ago speaking about this......
He said he is now waiting to hear back from the government to see if he is "allowed" to practice medicine basically. So now the government wants to tell the doctors they can't actually give healthcare to a patient unless the government tells them if they can...... yea, that's a free society alright!!
http://www.1010wins.com/Regulators-Frown-on-NYC-Doctor-s--79-Flat-Fee/3960786
Did anyone see the 60 Minutes segment...
...Sunday night about the cancer clinic that's closing due to lack of funds? I can't begin to describe how angry I became when I saw this.
After greedy, immoral Wall Street crooks created a worldwide economic crisis, while walking away with millions or billions, there are Americans who have been handed death sentences because of lack of MONEY.
I believe the entire health "insurance" industry needs to become extinct (except for maybe one or two companies for the "elite" in this country who believe they're superior and can afford astronomical rates). These links are a little old, but they give you an idea of how much healthcare "insurance" executives earn: http://blogs.webmd.com/mad-about-medicine/2007/08/ceo-compensation-who-said-healthcare-is.html and http://www.harp.org/hmoexecs.htm.
Certainly, these outrageous salaries, combined, plus all the other auxiliary costs that go along with this "industry" would go a long way toward funding a single-payer NONprofit healthcare plan. No doubt that much of their income comes as an incentive for denying benefits to patients.
You insure your car because you MIGHT have an accident someday. You insure your home because you MIGHT need to file a claim someday. The premiums are based on overall risk. However, EVERYONE will become ill at some point in his/her life, and we have now become a country that will only accept "survival of the fittest," while systematically "thinning out the herd" based on who has the least amount of income. To "insure" health is like buying an insurance policy to insure that your bread won't go stale at some point after you buy it; it's completely irrelevant to whether a person has a job. And if that person, God forbid, LOSES that job, then COBRA kicks in with usually much more expensive premiums. So once again, if someone has no or little income, it costs MORE to insure his/her health.
Capitalism is good for some things, but it's the absolute most immoral idea that one's ability to live or die in a country like America is contingent on how rich that person is. Left unchecked, these companies, in my opinion, are well on their way to becoming the next AIG that the government will bail out because they're "too big to fail," while leaving millions of people to die.
It's pretty bad when someone like Hugo Chavez, who provides healthcare to the citizens of his country, treats sick people much better than Americans do.
Nixon had a different "mindset" about health insurance back in the 1970s when he discovered with glee that insurance companies could make more money by denying services, so HMOs were invented. It's again time to adopt a different mindset, one that's moral and one that doesn't literally leave Americans to die. (Reagan had the bright idea to "deregulate" banks, an idea which Clinton enthusiastically embraced and Bush was only too happy to continue, and we see where that got us: The Wall Street crooks won, and the people who trusted them with their money lost.)
After I saw this segment, I've NEVER been so ashamed to be an American. This has to stop.
GET RID OF HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES ALTOGETHER.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/03/60minutes/main4917055.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4917055
P.S. Sorry for the rant and sorry if my words might not make sense in some spots, but this really upsets me because I'm one of those people. I don't qualify for Medicaid and can't afford or can't obtain (preexisting conditions) private or work-offered health insurance.
It's 4 hours 15 minutes, an HBO special...sm
Yeah Spike Lee put it together.
Valerie Plame on 60 minutes
I was horrified all over again. It breaks my heart to know that we are so complacent that we allow this administration to continue. This woman worked for 2 decades to keep us safe and her very life was endangered because her husband told the truth.
Florida here - OBama is on every 5 minutes
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I have a feeling they just want their 15 minutes of fame.
Lately, people will do anything to get their own "15 minutes of fame." That's why you have so many reality shows.
I think it's all despicable and they should not have shown that on TV. Now every other "15 minute" famer will do something on the same order to see if they can get in the newspapers or on TV. Watch and see. There's still 6 days left.
!3 hours, 57 minutes and Bush will be out, out out.
How many millions and millions and millions of other children are doing the same thing? Take me for example. 64 and counting every single second.
From his own mouth on 60 Minutes a few months ago...
he will impose eminent domain in the states that he wants to erect this stuff, though, so some people won't be happy when their land is taken away. Always seems to be a drawback, doesn't there???
Two more on this guy. Guess he got his 15 minutes of fame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0BTlZjNC84&feature=related
Absolutely got a kick out of the next one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp2PbOPX_8k&NR=1
She was entertaining for the first 5 minutes of her career
before people realized her insanity wasn't an act.
Bush Presidency - eight years in eight minutes
I watch Olbermann. Sometimes I agree with him. Sometimes I don't.
However, last night he hit it into the park with his attempt to review what Bush did in the last eight years into eight minutes; he ran over time a little bit because there was so much to say.
I would strongly urge anyone who is not too busy whining, moaning, groaning, hating and raging about Obama -- anyone who is truly interested in the future of America -- to watch this, from beginning to end -- especially at the end (since this is done chronologically, not by matter of importance).
THESE are the reasons people voted for Obama. THESE are the reasons that Obama supporters cannot understand why Bush worshippers still support him and reject the man who might undo the wreckage of Bush.
BUSH is the man who claimed to have a direct line to GOD. Obama never claimed anything of the sort; if he had, I probably would not have voted for him for that very reason -- because it creeped me out so much when Bush did it. So the assertion that Obama supporters are "worshippers" is ridiculous, when, in fact, it seems that those who still support Bush (the closest thing to the Anti-Christ that I'VE ever seen) are the ones who seem to think Bush is some sort of god.
Please watch every single SECOND of this video. It will give you just a taste of the grueling task ahead of Obama in trying to correct all the damage that Bush has done. We may, in fact, never know the full extent of the damage because Bush (as is mentioned in the video) has "exempted" himself from the Presidential Records Act.
THIS is why every truly honest, patriotic, honorable American who voted for Obama is so relieved he won. Not so much "happy" -- but RELIEVED -- hoping (yes, HOPING) that our country may once again resemble the USA that once held respect throughout the world, the USA where hard work was once rewarded, the USA where families could afford to feed their children, and the USA where one's ability to obtain something as basic as healthcare wasn't only limited to the wealthy. I'm not naive enough to believe this can all be fixed in four (or even eight) years, because Bush has been like a four-year-old sociopath that was armed with Daddy's credit card, an AXE and an arrogant giggle, each of which he used to its full capacity, and that's a LOT to clean up.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#28699663
If you leave our board, I'll leave your board.
To anyone who bet the neoCONS couldn't stay off this board for FIVE MINUTES
You won! More accurately, we have all lost because they just won't leave, because in their twisted peasized brains, they believe they have the right to run this board, as well. They're like filthy roaches that just won't go away.
In case you didn't notice, gt, we called a truce, which you just blew. sm
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Posted By: sm on 2005-09-18,
In Reply to: respectful? You? LOL! - gt
I have been off this board a long time and was just discussing with another poster here calling a truce and I was VERY respectful in these posts, but, of course, you had to start up again. To the other poster who I made the truce with, can you see now why there can never be a truce here?
funny! mine told me the same thing a few minutes ago...lol nm
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I understood her post perfectly - 4 years in 4 minutes
What part of that don't you understand. Pretty simple to figure out.
FOR LIBERALS ONLY: 60 Minutes Interviews Iranian President Sunday.
I am looking forward to watching this interview because I am truly interested in hearing what this man has to say.
I can recall as a child growing up to the tune of We have to fight Vietnam because the Communists want to take over the world. During those times, the worst thing a person could be called in the USA was a Communist.
It seems to me these days the USA is the one that wants to take over the world. It has no respect for any government that cares about its poor people or even America's poor, for that matter. (For example, Chavez tried to provide cheap oil to the poor last winter while Bush didn't care if poor Americans froze to death.) Any country that removes the profit incentive from medicine or education for its citizens is a terrorist nation in Bush's eyes. We're quickly approaching the day when most of us will be poor as the middle class continues to disintegrate before our eyes.
I am suspect of everyone Bush labels as terrorist these days, and I want to hear both sides. Bush refuses to sit down diplomatically and listen to what Ahmadinejad has to say, so I'm grateful that Mike Wallace took the time to do so.
No one knows what went on with this couple...
before he left. I am sure that was not the only couple who a man returning from the service divorced upon return, or women who divorced men who were over there serving. His ex-wife maintains that they are still close and apparently she does not hold the sour grapes personally that the public seems to hold, who were not involved and do not know the intimate details. It doesn't seem really fair to post things like this when the whole story is not known.
This is what McCain's ex-wife said about him:
"I'm crazy about John McCain and I love him to pieces," Carol McCain told the New York Times, "but I'm just not going to do interviews."
She does not sound bitter to me.
In the last couple of weeks,
I've received several envelopes in the mail that were sealed with a few inches torn open at the top of the envelope. One of them was a check from my part-time employer, and it was easy to see through the envelope that it was a check folded in half. (At least they didn't remove the contents like they did with you.)
I've never experienced anything like this in my life, and I wonder if this has been happening to any other liberals out there. 
LOL. You forgot a couple....sm
911 gone bonkers brigade (one from Charlie Sheen after he got attacked)and Mike Malloy's - yes, I am a liberal and I shall eat your eyeballs.
The Scholars for 911 Truth have quite an impressive group of members. Here is a link to their membership page:
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoAreWe.html
A couple of questions...
what proof do you have that the war has anything at all to do with oil...and what do you mean...you "bought" your patriotism? "Served it?" Curious as to what that means. And ya know...I have been kinda tired for YEARS as the terrorists picked off our people by the hundreds until they hit the big one on 9-11 and took out 3000 at one time. Just wondering if you think that was worth fighting over. Just wondering. If not...what? When they kill 8,000? 10,000? How many will it take? Just wondering. How much innocent blood will have to be spilled here to get you as angry at the terrorists as you are at conservatives? Just wondering.....
A couple notes
Ty Sam for your unbiased comments. I understand you totally - just bringing up issues you have heard.
Here's a couple things I understand about the situation.
Bill & Hillary were trying to file this petition, but not until after she started losing. It ranks up there with the "Florida fiasco" she created but then tried to overturn. In fact I believe they were trying to claim he was born in Kenya at the same time they said Florida didn't matter and agreed to not count Florida until they were losing, then they decided they wanted their votes (unfortunately it was a little too late for them). Bill & Hillary were (are) so desparate to get back into the white house that they were grasping at anything. I think it was ruled that Barack was born in Hawaii (not Kenya) according to the birth certificate. Which I'm sure had to be verified before he would even be eligible to run. My gut feeling is that Bill & Hillary were trying to get a lot of people to believe that he was born in Kenya so they would vote against him. Luckily for Barack their "plan" didn't work. It would have been devastating for him to lose based on a lie put out by the Clintons mis-informing people just so they could win (as I read that I just realized that is what campaign ads do. They put out lies about their oponents - both sides). Anyway...heard it was overturned and his birth certificate does say he was born in Hawaii. Also, like the other poster said if your born to American citizens but are born outside the US (like the military in Germany) you are still considered a natural born citizen.
On a side note, I heard Gov. Ed Rendell talk and for the first time I finally agree with him on what he was saying. For the first time he finally made statement that were rational. I do know that he was big big big Hillary supporter and spoke out against Obama when she was running against him, but yesterday or the day before I heard him talking and he said that Obama was clearly qualified and would make a fine president, blah, blah, blah (can't remember the whole speech). He went down the list of things he doesn't think McCain is good at and why he would not be a good president, and went down the list as to why he felt Barack was the best candidate. So for him to do a total turn around I gained a little respect for him.
Actually there were a couple things to add - (sm)
'Change', as I would like to see it, would also include a new U.S. President who was not hated by the rest of the world's inhabitants and leaders, nor mocked and ridiculed. Instead, it would be a President that took the time to listen when other world leaders were speaking, and who in turn others would listen to when he or she was speaking.
Our new President would be someone who put some thought into when and where to send U.S. aid when it was needed abroad, and when NOT to. That same President would not turn away when people or cities (such as New Orleans) needed help during a disaster.
I would also like to see this country start to treat its animals better than it currently does. Larger and better-run animal shelters, and more education and effort put into spay-and-neuter programs. Why there is no mandadory spay/neuter law on the books for household pets is beyond me, but judging by the overcrowded shelters, rescues, and pet-ads on Craigslist, maybe it's time. And although I'm not a member of PETA, nor a vegetarian, I think that animals who are raised for our consumption, who in essence give their lives for us in the end, need their days on Earth to be far better than they currently are. They should live happily and non-squalid conditions while they're alive, and when the time for slaughter finally comes, it should be quick, painless, non-traumatic & humane. And I would like to see our government start to lean on other countries which treat their animals HORRIBLY, China being one of the worst.
yep, I found this and a couple more, see above....sm
haven't had time to read through it all, though.
2A couple of things here. If you are an MT, you should know
If you ever attended a high school American/English literature class, you may recall a fairly extensive study of the concept of metaphor. Intelligent, gifted writers and speakers often use them to describe, illustrate or define. Obama is using metaphor here, as he often does.
Another concept taught at that level of language study is the notion of CONTEXT. You do recall that, don't you? McCain supporters have an adversion to context and have an almost universal compulsion to ignore context and often skew / slaughter Obama'statements by lifing them out of context and manipulating parts of his messages by placing them in a new "McCain" context. That is what you are doing here.
If you are feeling too lazy this morning to visit the dictionary, here is a link:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/epiphany
1. (initial capital letter) a Christian festival, observed on January 6, commemorating the manifestation of Christ to the gentiles in the persons of the Magi; Twelfth-day.
2. an appearance or manifestation, esp. of a deity.
3. a sudden, intuitive perception of or insight into the reality or essential meaning of something, usually initiated by some simple, homely, or commonplace occurrence or experience.
4. a literary work or section of a work presenting, usually symbolically, such a moment of revelation and insight.
Entry #1 indicates this term to be a Christian concept. It is really comical when on the one hand McCain supporters vow and declare that Obama is a Muslim terrorist, but on the other hand attack him for his close mentoring by as association with Christian Jeremiah Right, making him a Muslim AND Christian at the same time. However, your more recent predominating theme is that Obama is a Moslem. Since you guys insist that Obama is not a Christian, he could not possibly be referring to entry #1. That also makes reference to entr #2 unlikely, especially since that meaning of the word is typically encountered in Christian eschatologic bodies of work or discussions as such.
Your attention is drawn to enties #3 and 4. In commonplace everyday discourse, those are the meanings that are most often used. Epiphany in this context means perception or inspiration. Inspiration is what Obama provides for his supporters. Hope and change. Nothing particularly new or controversial there.
A couple of reasons
I am a transcriptionist, but I only graduated in May, so I am not up to the speed some of you seasoned MTs are. I'm getting better everyday, but I am still in school to finish my Psych degree so I can only work part time. My husband just graduated in May also and since the job market is so bad he is having trouble finding a job (he is a history major so that's hard enough as it is!) He currently works for his dad building houses for $300 a week. We were renting a house right before we got married and we happened to find a house for sale that was as much in mortgage as we were paying in rent, so we decided to purchase it (fixed interest, not subprime or balloon) and have an investment rather than renting and never seeing that money again.
Of course when my husband finds a career position we will be better off (I pray!) but as it stands right now we will probably make $33,000 between us before taxes if he doesn't.
Believe me, I would love to get checks in the mail, but it's just not fair. I'm finishing my psych degree because I want to be able to help people (and I do want to be able to make more). I love MT, but at the rate we are going, I don't know if we will be around much longer.
But lets put it this way, with your 40K this year, and me making 30K for the sake of simplicity, would it be fair for you to give me 5K so we both have 35K? That would probably really upset you. You would probably tell me to work more if I wanted as much as you, right?
And shoot, if I could get that, then why don't I just make 20K, and you can give me 10K, so we both have 30K?
In the perfect world where EVERYONE worked to get up in life, then yes, "sharing the wealth" may work. Unfortunately, there are to many lazy people out there that will see that they are getting something for nothing and will just continue to do nothing. Not fair to hard working individuals like yourself and myself (I consider myself hard working since I do work part time 7 days a week and take classes!) :)
Whew sorry that was so long!
A couple of us on here tried to tell everyone this. No one listens. sm
Ignorant and uninformed Americans are going to get exactly what they deserve. While everybody is busy arguing over stupid little issues and who is red and who is blue, they are destroying our country.
You can also bank on Diebold making sure votes for 3rd party candidates ended up under the 2 main candidates totals too. I think Obama was more popular, but there is fraud in every election and I doubt this one was an exception.
There is no difference between McCain and Obama because they are both beholden to the same interests. We really have a one-party system and they have everything completely monopolized.
Pay attention to what goes on in the economy now that the election is over. The PPT has been keeping the markets falsely propped up.
What a couple of goofballs!
I am the original poster of the message you found so offensive, and I have not posted anything since. I have just been watching the two of you argue and call each other names when you are both on the same side.
It has been quite entertaining!
Thanks. Here are just a couple comments
It is true. People can disagree without getting nasty. I think everyone gets in a dander when they feel they are being attacked for their beliefs/opinions.
I did vote for him and fully supported him while he was running against Hillary. All I knew was (to me) she was one of the worst people to run for office. She had no clue, road on the coattails of her husband. Everything good he did she claimed it as hers, but everything bad he did she had nothing to do with. Her lies were so blatant and then when she came out and told the public the reason she was staying in (in case something (too horrible to mention) happened to Obama, she'd be right there and even brought up JFK's name (or maybe it was RFK - one of the Kennedy's)). I just thought that was the worst worst worst ever. She may have been thinking and hoping for it but to actually say it just truly made me realize how much more I disliked her and the thought of her getting in literally made me nauseous. I also voted for Obama in the primaries because I said enough of the Clintons, they destroyed what little faith I had in the democratic party back then (I voted for Bill the first time but not the second) and all their crooked deals and illegal doings going on while they were in there, there was no way in you know where I wanted any of that crowd back (who knew Obama was going to bring them all back - Arrrrggggg - that's my word of frustration). After the primary's ended I started reading and hearing more and more about Obama's plans and speeches, etc. I thought to myself, well listening to his voice give speeches would be much better than listening to McCain with his "my friends" every other sentence he speaks, but then listening to Obama it got to a point where I'd just be counting how many uh, uh, umm, er, uh, uh. I even had some bets with friends who would get the closest number would buy the other a beer. HA HA. Anyway...I do say give the guy a chance, but I know that a lot of dems would be all over McCains back if he had gotten elected.
What I am seeing and hearing and reading is not very hopeful. I listen to the economist who know what's going on and have the solutions. It looks like a pretty dim future and I'm not blinded like a lot are with Obama's speeches. I want to know the truth and I'm not getting it from them (go figure).
What I don't like is that Obama is no different than all the other politicians out there. He lied to us during his campaign just like all the other presidents lied to us about what they would do. He kept boasting about change but he's not bringing change. He keeps spewing this hope message. Well its now time to put hope to work and stop talking about it as though he is still campaigning.
However, I respect anyone who has a difference of opinions. They (like me) are entitled to the way they feel. Like my mom used to say to me, I may disagree with you, but I respect you and people can have conversations without getting nasty.
Agree!! My DH knows a couple
who were/are hard-working, intelligence on the slow side, he would say mentally-retarded. They were looking to buy a house, had a good-sized downpayment, got the mortgage, but not understanding what they were signing, lost their house because their interest rate climbed and climbed. YES, I definitely agree, BLAME IT ON THE LENDERS, their greed, their sleeze, and the fact that the interest rates were allowed to go through the roof!!
Another one from a couple of years ago
that is coming true right now is While Europe Slept. Scary but true.
Actually he was right about a couple of things
believe it or not. Wasn't he also the one who said Obama didn't have enough experience to be pres? LOL.
So, if a gay couple gets married...(sm)
exactly how does it affect you? Does it make you less of a heterosexual? Does it make you less of a christian? Does it turn your finances upside down? Tell me, exactly how does it affect you personally?
They also teach about Hitler in school. Does that mean that your children will be like Hitler?
Oh, I don't know....a couple of shots over the bow....
That would do the trick and get their attention. What good does it do to have a Navy ship either on its way or already there if we can't utilize it's firepower?
A couple of points
1. The Department of Defense budget is being increased.
2. We would not be in our grave situation in this industry if we had unions to protect us against some egregious practices by MTSOs.
3. We would have a 2-party government right now if the Republicans would quit playing silly games. It seems like every week, they manage to do something stupider than the week before.
4. A vote for Mickey Mouse would have been more logical than a vote for the McCain/Palin ticket.
A couple more points
1. Defense spending is being cut, not increased.
2. Unions are not the answer to everything - just as those in Detroit.
3. Republicans alone are not to blame for the break down in the 2-party system - there were Democrats that voted against the stimulus bill and the other garbage being churned out of DC.
4. I would have gladly voted for Mickey Mouse, as long as it wasn't a vote for Obama - Mickey would probably be doing a better job.
A couple of points
1. Percentages, as with our industry, where 30 years ago I was making 5 cents a line and earning at least $100 a day, and have now gotten up to 8 cents a line with all kinds of "technical advances" that keep me barely above $100 a day?
2. I live in Detroit (well, very close, about 8 miles away). If my husband had not been a Union Ironworker, we would have continued struggling alone with jobs that would not have allowed us to live with any security or luxuries, like buying a new car every once in awhile.
3. Gotta tell it like it is.
4. Gotta tell it like it is.
So basically, I live in Michigan and I don't believe the unions are the cause of the auto company's struggles. I would suggest that poor management practices by all the folks who make the really big bucks is far more to blame. The unions have been forced to take cut after cut, including loss of retirement health care, and the beat continues to go on.
I tried to keep "trash talk" out of my response and it's unfortunate that you do not see it that way. One good thing about our country is that people are allowed to have opposing opinions. Not everybody thinks like you do - actually, more than half the country as per the last election.
I could use a couple more honey-do's....nm
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How does a gay couple getting married take away
The are not attempting to outlaw hetero marriage, so how are you deprived of your rights?
Sorry.....you know me....have to take issue with a couple of things...
Number one being this mess we created. It just chaps me for people to blame the US, especially US citizens, for this so'called *mess*. Fatah and Hamas have been fighting over Palestine as much as Israel and Fatah and Hamas have been fighting over Israel, and that was going on LONG before we went into Iraq. What is happening there is not fueled by Iraq at all. What is happening there is now is being fueled by Iran, and don't think for a minute it is not.
I agree with what you said about bin Laden and Saddam as far as their ideals being diametrically opposed...however, bin Laden saw something in him that he needed...power and money and the ability to move both over the world, and crazy enough to buy into attacking the United States in a spectacular way. Iran did not want any part of that, because nutty as Amadinejad is, he did not want to be taken down like Saddam was taken down. Bin Laden is crazy like a fox...he will use anyone or anything, no matter WHAT their politics are, if it furthers HIS goals. Sorry, ravenswing, I think it is naive in the face of all we know about Saddam and his support of terrorism and his infliction of same on his own people, the fact that the Achille Lauro murderer lived out his days in Baghdad, that Zarqawi was there for at least a year before we went in, bounties to families of suicide bombers and on and on and on....just because they had different religious ideals meant nothing, because they had one common thing...they both hated the United States and all she stands for.
And the comparison of fear of Russia invading and the threat the terrorists pose....I am sorry, I truly see nothing similar. 9-11 changed all that...forever.
I never said terrorists in full force. I said car bombings...train bombings...subway bombings...tunnel bombings...dam bombings...suicide bombers in schools, malls, supermarkets, restaurants, sporting events....that can be carried out by a handful of men, just like 9-11 was, with death tolls in the hundreds to thousands and the ability to forever change life and freedom the way we know it in this country. In short, live like Israel has had to live for decades. I believe in order to forestall that we have to adopt the attitude if they hit us, we hit them harder and at the source...the funding...the support, the Saddams of the world. The lackies who kill themselves are not the ones we need to target. And I believe that is why we have not been attacked yet. Because they know we will fight back. But once they sense weakness, and sorry to say to me that means a liberal in the White House...they will go for the throat, because that is what animals do. And the fact that they are willing to die for what they want and a great number of Americans don't feel like there is anything worth dying for...could very well be our undoing. There are worse things than having your head cut off...among them fear of going into a supermarket, a mall, a train, a plane, a bus....a hospital...a school. Think about that for a moment. Think about hearing every day about a suicide bombing somewhere in this country, a car bombing, a school bombing...just think about it.
I know I have a future to look forward to where there is no war, no pain, and pure love rules the day....but not in this life, not in this world. But I am in this world now, and in this life I feel I am charged to try to support, defend and preserve the only country in the world founded on Christian principles. Had we not strayed so far from our beginnings...who knows where we would be now? But, I also know...everything...EVERYthinghappens for a reason and God is in control. As my pastor and friend used to say....It is getting gloriously dark. I finally understand what he meant by that.
God bless!
A couple of small things...
Intolerance is not something I associate with being liberal. Perhaps I need to adjust my thinking.
My compassion extends to all those hurting and in need, just like yours does. However, as you well know and seem so jaded by, one person cannot focus on every area, every part of humanity, every issue. You must choose your issue and throw all your energy into it. I would say that the anti-war arena is pretty well covered, wouldn't you? The anti-abortion arena, however, is not. And that is where I am moved to place my focus. Because there are people affected by war who CAN speak for themselves. They DO have the ability to at least try and protect themselves. Unborn children do not have that luxury. They are totally at the mercy of others, and if you want to talk about a horrendous way to die...there is no more horrendous way to die than being aborted. In a way, it is the ultimate betrayal if someone does not defend the most vulnerable among us. That is why I chose that issue and that is why I will speak out against it with my last breath.
You call me supercilious, yet post something like the nature of conservatism to have lack of empathy? A rather broad brush stroke I would say. How you can criticize something else for having no empathy and turn your back on the unborn...there is NO balance in that to see.
There is no spin, piglet. The facts are obvious. You have chosen to exclude the most needy and vulnerable and even go to the extreme of being highly critical of me for doing so. No spin there.
It is obvious you call things the way you perceive them, and have intolerance for any who do not agree with your perception. Again, that is not a trait I associate with liberals. And again..perhaps I need to adjust my thinking.
No one is asking you to apologize, piglet. These last few posts...amazing. If it were aimed AT liberals I would swear it WAS Ann Coulter. Especially the "I call things the way I perceive them, I don't sugar coat it and I won't apologize for it." VINTAGE Ann Coulter. :-)
Haven't been here in a couple days
I just saw this message and wanted to write back. I did vote for Clinton in his first term. I really liked what he was offering for the country. Was a better choice than Bush Sr. After 4 year of those 2 bozos (and the Gores) in there I voted for Dole (I think it was Dole running - its been too many years). Then when Mr. Stiff (gore) was running I thought no way, we finally are getting rid of those two ninny's so voted for Bush, then when Kerry ran I didn't vote cos I didn't like any. So I go back and forth. I read history. No matter what candidate you support, no matter how much you like them you have to be objective and look at the bad with the good and to me we need a person with better values than Clinton. We were so "zonked" (for lack of better term) with so many taxes with clintons were in it was awful. We never got ahead and never had anything. They showed exactly how much they cared about the low to middle income people - it's called NADA, nothing, zip, zilch, and screw you. They took care of their rich friends, lobbyist, and CEO executives while the rest of us literally got screw over big time. So, no I'm not left wing or right wing. I vote my conscious. Can't stand Rush Limbo, Hannity (the Leprecaun) and the absolute nonsense they speak. On the flip side I cannot stand the liberal talk shows either. I can't even think of the names of any of them cos I turned them off years ago and became a much better informed and calmer person. I just read both sides of opinions and make my own choices.
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