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Hate to dampen the spirits but housing upswings

Posted By: Backwards typist on 2009-03-18
In Reply to: This would only be good news IF the..... - Just wait....

always take place in the beginning of spring. They usually don't do house construction in the winter unless it's a year round warm climate. You have to look at charts and/or info for housing starts in those states to see if it's true or just wishful thinking...and as you said, they will still sit empty.


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Hurricane housing, a way to help!
Just got this email from my brother:

 

We are forwarding this information about hurricanehousing.org - it was assembled by the progessive people of moveon.org and has been publicized by local mainstream media.  While we are unspeakably upset by the lack of timely federal emergency aid, we are gratified by grassroots caring and hope that this disaster will serve as a moral reawakening beyond its terrible pain and loss.  Please consider the following....

 
We're sure you've seen the horrifying images on TV of destruction left by Hurricane Katrina, and the many, many people left with nowhere to go.

You can help. MoveOn.org just launched a website, www.hurricanehousing.org, to connect your empty beds with hurricane victims who desperately need a place to wait out the storm.


You can post your offer of housing (a spare room, extra bed, even a decent couch) on http://www.hurricanehousing.org or search there for housing if you need it.


MoveOn will pass requests from hurricane victims or relief agencies on to volunteer hosts, who can decide whether or not to respond to a particular request. The host remains anonymous until they reply to someone looking for housing.


The ______(this was my brother's name) just posted an offer. We hope you will too, or pass this on to people you know in the Southeast:


http://www.hurricanehousing.org


Housing is most urgently needed within reasonable driving distance (about 300 miles) of the affected areas, especially New Orleans.


Thanks!


Housing people

People all over this nation are opening up their hearts and homes to try to help these people.


I wonder how many people could be housed in a certain ranch in Crawford.


But what has that to do with affordable housing?
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The truth about the housing crisis...
I will warn you this is long, but if your interested in the truth this is a good place to start.






Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?
By Orson Scott Card

Editor's note: Orson Scott Card is a Democrat and a newspaper columnist,
and in this opinion piece he takes on both while lamenting the current
state of journalism.

An open letter to the local daily paper - almost every local daily paper
in America :

I remember reading All the President's Men and thinking: That's
journalism. You do what it takes to get the truth and you lay it before
the public, because the public has a right to know.

This housing crisis didn't come out of nowhere. It was not a vague
emanation of the evil Bush administration.

It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late
1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more
accessible to poor people. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized
to approve risky loans.

What is a risky loan? It's a loan that the recipient is likely not to
be able to repay.

The goal of this rule change was to help the poor - which especially
would help members of minority groups. But how does it help these
people to give them a loan that they can't repay? They get into a
house, yes, but when they can't make the payments, they lose the house -
along with their credit rating.

They end up worse off than before.

This was completely foreseeable and in fact many people did foresee it.
One political party, in Congress and in the executive branch, tried
repeatedly to tighten up the rules. The other party blocked every such
attempt and tried to loosen them.

Furthermore, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were making political
contributions to the very members of Congress who were allowing them to
make irresponsible loans. (Though why quasi-federal agencies were
allowed to do so baffles me. It's as if the Pentagon were allowed to
contribute to the political campaigns of Congressmen who support
increasing their budget.)

Isn't there a story here? Doesn't journalism require that you who
produce our daily paper tell the truth about who brought us to a
position where the only way to keep confidence in our economy was a $700
billion bailout? Aren't you supposed to follow the money and see which
politicians were benefiting personally from the deregulation of mortgage
lending?

I have no doubt that if these facts had pointed to the Republican Party
or to John McCain as the guilty parties, you would be treating it as a
vast scandal. "Housing-gate," no doubt. Or "Fannie-gate."

Instead, it was Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank,
both Democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused
Bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and who were still pushing for these
agencies to go even further in promoting sub-prime mortgage loans almost
up to the minute they failed.

As Thomas Sowell points out in a TownHall.com essay entitled "Do Facts
Matter?" ( ]" target=_blank>http://snipurl.com/457townhall_com<http://snipurl.com/457to>]
): "Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of
the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's
Secretary of the Treasury."

These are facts. This financial crisis was completely preventable. The
party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was ... the Democratic
Party. The party that tried to prevent it was ... the Republican Party.

Yet when Nancy Pelosi accused the Bush administration and Republican
deregulation of causing the crisis, you in the press did not hold her to
account for her lie. Instead, you criticized Republicans who took
offense at this lie and refused to vote for the bailout!

What? It's not the liar, but the victims of the lie who are to blame?

Now let's follow the money ... right to the presidential candidate who
is the number-two recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae.

And after Freddie Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae who made $90 million
while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one
presidential candidate's campaign actually consulted him for advice on
housing.

If that presidential candidate had been John McCain, you would have
called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in your paper
every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was.

But instead, that candidate was Barack Obama, and so you have buried
this story, and when the McCain campaign dared to call Raines an
"adviser" to the Obama campaign - because that campaign had sought his
advice - you actually let Obama's people get away with accusing McCain
of lying, merely because Raines wasn't listed as an official adviser to
the Obama campaign.

You would never tolerate such weasely nit-picking from a Republican.

If you who produce our local daily paper actually had any principles,
you would be pounding this story, because the prosperity of all
Americans was put at risk by the foolish, short-sighted, politically
selfish, and possibly corrupt actions of leading Democrats, including
Obama.

If you who produce our local daily paper had any personal honor, you
would find it unbearable to let the American people believe that somehow
Republicans were to blame for this crisis.

There are precedents. Even though President Bush and his administration
never said that Iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not
stand the fact that Americans had that misapprehension - so you pounded
us with the fact that there was no such link. (Along the way, you
created the false impression that Bush had lied to them and said that
there was a connection.)

If you had any principles, then surely right now, when the American
people are set to blame President Bush and John McCain for a crisis they
tried to prevent, and are actually shifting to approve of Barack Obama
because of a crisis he helped cause, you would be laboring at least as
hard to correct that false impression.

Your job, as journalists, is to tell the truth. That's what you claim
you do, when you accept people's money to buy or subscribe to your
paper.

But right now, you are consenting to or actively promoting a big fat lie
- that the housing crisis should somehow be blamed on Bush, McCain, and
the Republicans. You have trained the American people to blame
everything bad - even bad weather - on Bush, and they are responding as
you have taught them to.

If you had any personal honor, each reporter and Editor would be
insisting on telling the truth - even if it hurts the election chances
of your favorite candidate.

Because that's what honorable people do. Honest people tell the truth
even when they don't like the probable consequences. That's what
honesty means . That's how trust is earned.

Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one. He
has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time - and you have
swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.

Meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of Sarah Palin,
reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried
daughter - while you ignored the story of John Edwards's own adultery
for many months.

So I ask you now: Do you have any standards at all? Do you even know
what honesty means?

Is getting people to vote for Barack Obama so important that you will
throw away everything that journalism is supposed to stand for?

You might want to remember the way the National Organization of Women
threw away their integrity by supporting Bill Clinton despite his
well-known pattern of sexual exploitation of powerless women. Who
listens to NOW anymore? We know they stand for nothing; they have no
principles.

That's where you are right now.

It's not too late. You know that if the situation were reversed, and
the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven
and earth to get the true story out there.

If you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list
of all the stories you would print if it were McCain who had been
getting money from Fannie Mae, McCain whose campaign had consulted with
its discredited former CEO, McCain who had voted against tightening its
lending practices.

Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories
will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which
put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about
helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama's door.

You will also tell the truth about John McCain: that he tried, as a
Senator, to do what it took to prevent this crisis. You will tell the
truth about President Bush: that his administration tried more than once
to get Congress to regulate lending in a responsible way.

This was a Congress-caused crisis, beginning during the Clinton
administration, with Democrats leading the way into the crisis and
blocking every effort to get out of it in a timely fashion.

If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe -
and vote as if - President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis,
then you are joining in that lie.

If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats - including Barack
Obama - and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants
were Republicans - then you are not journalists by any standard.

You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and
it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we
can actually have a news paper in our city.

This article first appeared in The Rhinoceros Times of Greensboro ,
North Carolina , and is used here by permission.

Hey there! I like it, but what about clothing, housing, medicines......sm
baby products (I nursed all three completely so THAT was cheap, but not an option for everyone), I don't think the MREs were meant to nourish little children, so I would worry about that. You still need utilities of some kind, because we all can't go out and cut down trees, so there is a lot to think about. I think if they INVESTED in hiring more social workers who were monitored to really do their jobs and fish out all the bogus welfare claims, get those people jobs or job training and paying back into the system, that would be wiser, because let's face it, there are some families that spend their welfare money on wasteful or indulgent stuff, but with this economic depression the Welfare is going to go more and more to unemployed families who were "let go," and I do worry about the nutrition and health of the little ones.
And did you know there are waiting lists for subsidized housing? Why do you think there are....sm
so many newly-poor families on the streets? Getting on the rolls these days, cutting through the red tape, can be a daunting and long task, but what about the families in the meantime? The shelters are overflowing. In my state, the food banks actually have to close now from time to time because times are hard, less people are able to donate, more people need the help, and there is just not enough to go around.

I just want DESERVING FOLK to get their needs met while they get back on their feet, and the kids do not have to live a nightmare. Yes, I, too, have seen some welfare folk buying inappropriate things, but perhaps if we had a voucher system that monitored purchases, if they only got reimbursed on the back end after submitting their receipts to make sure they were buying needed, healthy, appropriate goods....I don't have the answer, or I would be applying at the White House, but we need social safety nets so badly right now.
They did not cause the housing crisis. They did, however, fail acknowledge the problem
and they most certainly failed to tackle the problem in a timely and effective way.

One of the major factors in the housing crisis was the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the implementation of Graham-Bliley Act. The lack of oversight, the deregulation that allowed lenders to lend without being subject to oversight rules because the type of financial institution they were doomed us.

The Bush administration backed off proposed crackdowns on no-money-down, interest-only mortgages years before the economy collapsed, buckling to pressure from some of the same banks that have now failed. It ignored remarkably prescient warnings that foretold the financial meltdown, according to an Associated Press review of regulatory documents. "Expect fallout, expect foreclosures, expect horror stories," California mortgage lender Paris Welch wrote to U.S. regulators in January 2006, about one year before the housing implosion cost her a job.

I am not a fan of Frank, Dodd, or Pelosi. I am not a fan of TARP, especially because there was/is no built-in oversight or accountability. Shoot, the some of the same predatory lenders that were put out of business by their own practices are up and running again, passing out toxic loans to desperate people, because they managed to get their hands on bailout money.
Obama Administration Launches Housing Plan

Hope this helps those of you that need help.


 


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123617623602129441.html


Housing market on upswing - good news!



by: Lucia Mutikani  |  Visit article original @ Reuters


photo
US housing starts rose sharply in February, providing some good news for the struggling housing industry. (Photo: AP)



    Washington - New U.S. housing starts and permits unexpectedly rebounded in February, according to data on Tuesday that provided a rare dose of good news for the recession-hit economy and fractured housing market.


    The Commerce Department said housing starts jumped 22.2 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 583,000 units from 477,000 units in January. That was the biggest percentage rise since January 1990 and also marked the first increase since last April.


    "That is an encouraging sign for the U.S. economy. It is good signal of what is to come. With the rally in equities we hopefully have seen a bottom for the economy here," said Matt Esteve, foreign exchange trader at Tempus Consulting in Washington.


    U.S. stocks have been on the rise over the last several days and the major indexes opened flat on Tuesday. U.S. government bond prices trimmed gains after the data and the U.S. dollar fell against the euro as risk aversion eased.


English not so good. Sad for you. So much hate. Life too short hate.
x
Oh I see....you hate small town folks, you hate Christians...
and you hate the military...you are also coming into real clear view.
Sheesh, you not only hate Bush, you hate PEOPLE!
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They don't hate us because we are free, they hate us because...
We need to stop imposing the way we live on them. They don't hate us because of our freedom. That is absurd. When have you ever heard them say we hate you because you are free? Never. What they have been saying is "Don't tell us how we should live". "Don't tell us we need to have the same type of government that America has", and they also say "We don't need the Americans designing our own countries flag" and that is why they hate us. They are their own country. It is not right for us to go in and say you need to live the way we do, your government needs to be run the way ours is. How would we like it if they came and said "Were invading America and your going to conform to the way we live because "its' the right way" or "god has told me this is the way it's suppose to be". No, we wouldn't like it one bit. Every country lives differently. We need to stop dictating how other countries should live.
Hate mongers hate everything.
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So you not only hate gays, you also hate
.
you are the one with hate
It is you and the other republicans who post here that are filled with hatred.  My gosh, almost every one of your posts has the word hate in it. 
Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate. nm

Hate. nm

Hate? I don't hate anyone....
least of all some anonymous poster on a board. I would not waste the energy, and hating anyone is a waste of energy. I don't hate liberals. Yes, it is dissent...it is dissenting opinion. You know, like the Supreme Court judges do when they don't agree? They give dissenting opinions. There is much more opinion on these boards than fact. As far as hate....your leaders in Congress have a good healthy hatred and want of revenge...or they would not put terrorism on the back burner to investigating Bush. That is hatred of the man and desire for revenge that is quite blatantly obvious, and certainly is not in the best interests of the country. I believe that Ms. Pelosi needs to remember that people in glass houses should not throw stones. I don't expect an answer because you already told me you were not going to read this...
There just seems to be a lot of hate for her
I will vote dem no matter what
Why do you hate

Reading these posts I am trying to understand why Gov. Palin is hated so much.  I'd like to know facts (not rumors or lies).  Can you provide me with answers as to why.  I just don't understand it.


The conversative republicans on this board are not coming out with hate towards Obama/Biden, and I really don't see much hate towards McCain, but the actual hate is seeping out and infiltrating all of your thoughts with Gov. Palin and I cannot understand why.  I've seen her interviewed.  She doesn't seem too bad.  She's knowledgeable about the issues and answers questions with confidence.  I've also seen Obama, Biden and McCain interviewed too and I just don't understand what it is towards Gov. Palin but not the others. 


Please provide facts too.  Everything I am reading on this board are rumors and lies, so if you could just tell me.  Even if you say you don't like her because she's pretty, or she decided to have a baby instead of aborting him, etc I don't mind answers like that because they will be truthful, but please don't tell me you hate her because of something manufacted, or for something she is not personally involved in.


Just trying to understand.


why is it hate
When we want her to speak out and show who she is? I don't hate her. I do think there were several more qualified women that could have been picked for the Rep VP slot. I think it is a slap in the face to the more educated, capable women that they picked a pretty little thing from Alaska that barely graduated college with a degree in Journalism.

Ms. Rice is 100 times more qualified to be VP, why not pick her?
I don't hate anyone!
All I am saying is that I have a better understanding of why you have such strong feelings about politics, based on what you have told us about yourself. My life is polar opposite of yours, which affects my feelings about politics.

I do not hate small town folks, Christians, the military, or anyone else. It just that we come from different worlds, and I understand now why we see things so differently.
Right, you don't hate nobody, you hate
agree with you.
What does this say.......hot hate?
Although nowhere does the Qur’an say that Allah loves those who don’t believe Muhammad, there are over 400 verses that describe the torment that he has prepared for people of other religions (or no religion):

And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)

The relative worth of non-Muslims is that they are but fuel for the fire of Hell:

(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire (3:10)

As they are fueling the fire, unbelievers will be tormented by Allah’s angels on his command:

“O ye who believe! Ward off from yourselves and your families a Fire whereof the fuel is men and stones, over which are set angels strong, severe, who resist not Allah in that which He commandeth them, but do that which they are commanded.” (66:6)


Hate to say it

I think there are a few bone fide nut jobs on this post that got a whole lot of people sucked into their delusions.  Fooled me twice. Later!


That's a lot of hate! nm
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I don't hate you......... sm
I just don't like your lifestyle and that gay people are insisting upon calling a union between people of the same sex a marriage. In my opinion, and apparently in the opinion of a vast number of Americans, it devalues the institution of marriage between men and women. If you want to live together, fine. Just don't tell me that I must consider your situation a marriage and don't change our countries laws to recognize it as a marriage.
Hate to say it, but I don't think it's

going to happen (talking about issues). There are too many new ones on here now and all they want to do is name calling, pick fights, and won't try to find the truth and, sadly, it's also the way of the country nowadays.  I have been appalled at the reaction lately and even ones who have been on here a long time and always posted decently are turning into the negative posters, too.


Unless the posters start following the rules of this board, I doubt it will ever change.


you are right - they hate each other! nm
xxx
Hate to tell ya, but...(sm)
Penn and Maine are blue states according to the 2008 election.  Those 3 senators are doing what they were elected to do -- that being representing their people.
I hate it when that happens...lol (nm)


I hate to say this
but the more pub bashing there is, the less I want to even consider what dems have to say.

Dems keep saying they expect us to work with them (pretty much agree with what they want to do, nevermind how we feel about it) yet then they want to constantly trash talk us and make fun of us. I'm not saying that pubs don't do the same to dems, but if the majority wants the minority to participate, maybe they should chill out on the "party of NO and hip hop party" lingo.

Just sayin :)
Well, I hate to tell you this

but these hicks that you talk about using food stamps to buy food are the same people who will benefit from Obama's presidency.  It won't be hard working individuals like ourselves.  This type of irresponsible behavior will be rewarded by government assistant programs at the expense of the working Americans who pay for them and who is pushing for more government programs.....why I do believe it is Barrack Obama....is it not?


As for Sarah Palin, she has done very well running Alaska and has worked her way up from the bottom to the top in her state.  She wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth.  If Sarah Palin was as ugly as Hillary Clinton is and was pro-choice, you all would be drooling over her.  But because she is an attractive woman who is conservative, you ladies would rather say she has no brains because she is pretty. 


How smart are we?  Our country elects a man who has no experience whatsoever and when it comes to writing bills, he hands the everything over to Pelosi.


Please continue to tell me how stupid Palin is when Obama runs our country into the ground because I'm sure that will make sense to everything ignorant Obama is doing right now. 


I don't hate anyone. There is a sm
difference between "tolerance" and standing up for the truth. This belongs on the faith board but I guess I will post anyway. There is a difference between "religion" and "salvation" and all Obama has (by the fruit he bears) is religion! There is one way to heaven and that is through and by the blood of Jesus Christ.

I don't know where the denying health care benefits and denying SS to anyone comments came from. Obama is a Muslim. He has even slipped up in an interview and admitted it.

Because I would like to see you in heaven, the truth is there is only one way and that is through Jesus Christ.
I hate to tell you this

but taking control away from the taliban and giving it back to the country the taliban is trying to take over is about our freedom.  The more control the taliban gets, the more power they get and the more ability they have to attack us on our own soil.


As for why we are still there....I do believe it was Obama who extended the timeline for the troops in Iraq while sending troops into Afghan.  So it appears that Obama's pulling out of the troops and running back home plan didn't work out so well when he actually got into the White House and saw what was really going on.


As for the "torture" accusations, I hate to break it to ya but terrorists and pirates do not fall under protection of the Geneva Convention.  We broke no law as they are terrorists and I would rather "torture" a terrorist to try and save American lives.  We will never know the full story on this until all the information is released.


As for Pelosi, she is so high and mighty.  If you are going to stand there and point the blame on everyone else but yourself when others claimed that you knew and did nothing.....well.....of course Pelosi is now under fire and she should be.  If she truly knew about it....she is just as guilty for allowing it and not saying a word and then lying about it to make her look all pure and innocent.


However, I still say this whole thing shouldn't have happened.  Those original memos should not have been released to begin with and that was something the liberal loons wanted so they could start their witch hunts on the Bush administration.  If Obama really wanted to move forward he would have just said what is in the past is in the past.  We can't change what happened but we move forward and will not do so again.  Instead we are belittling our CIA and our troops and putting ourselves in danger while giving terrorists more power to recruit more psychotic people to their cause. 


Wow....such hate.
Patty, I would seriously suggest that you take a good look in the mirror.  I think perhaps it would be a good lesson for you to actually sit down after a day or so and write down the sins that you yourself have committed.  You can't separate the sin from the person and yet you said yourself that we are all sinners.  Don't we as Christians call ourselves sinners.  Don't we pray and admit to God that we are sinners and ask for his forgiveness?  That is the title that we go by.  Granted, we are supposed to strive to be better but we still sin every day.  If what you say is true that you cannot separate the sin from a person when they go by that title and this is according to God........what makes you think God listens to you when you admit you are a sinner and ask for forgiveness.  Doesn't make sense does it.  Anyone with a brain would see that!
Um, hate to tell ya, but YOU don't own it,
Somebody has one MAJOR bee up their butt.
Wow, could you squeeze a little more hate
into that post.  What I'm saying is don't try to tone down your posts.  Tell us how black your heart, well, I mean what your true feelings are.
If there's one thing I hate. sm
it's a person who constantly calls people a liar.  That is so out of place in this milieu.  You have no right to do that.  What, because someone doesn't agree with YOU or has a set of facts different from YOU, they are a liar. One thing I can say about the C board, I never saw one of them call anyone a liar.  You have the market all cornered on that.  You should just be so proud. 
hate bush? Nah
Actually, LOL, I hate no one, however, with your never ending posts with hate posted all through them prove to me you hate quite a bit.  I have never read so many posts by one person with the word hate in them.  Hate is a negative energy.  I would be happy if I never saw Bushs face again..just go back to Crawford make believe cowboy..Now if you want real hate, your idol, Coulter, she has hate running through her veins.  Bush, he is just a festering pimple in the scheme of things..He is a detriment to America and the world..has made us the laughingstock of the world, has painted a target on each of our backs for decades to come, has practically bankrupt the federal budget..The guy should never have been president but when you are in the pockets of oil giants, corporate kings, buddies with Rove, anything can happen and unfortunately it did.  Well, better times and a better America are around the corner, once a democrat gets back into office and cleans up Bushs mess.
Those obsessed with hate see little else.
And it's unfortunate, because even up until 9/11 Americans were virtually indivisible when it came to responding to tragedy and united in their compassion for the afflicted.

I for one have a lot of faith in Americans still - I know they have come and are coming to the aid of the Gulf Coast victims. I also think they have a right to question WHERE exactly our billions of dollars for Homeland Security went, when clearly nobody in authority was prepared for disaster even with two days' advance warning. What's up with that, we want to know - and we want answers.

To trivialize such an important issue by saying ooh you poopy haters is simply to make a mockery out of the concern nearly all Americans feel about what's happening now and what's going to happen when the next disaster comes to their own door.
I hate to see you go and I wish you could just ignore, or even...sm
wear your feelings on your sleeve and brush them off everyday. One thing I learned a long time ago on this board is that we can not change the conservatives and they are not going to change us, so I think the separate boards is a good thing, so I do try to stay off their board but sometimes it is tempting to respond to them when they are bashing us over there.

But, in politics there are going to be trolls, there are going to be people who don't want to do anything but argue and incite, so just stand your ground and figure out which ones are here to debate (in rare form) and don't take the other ones serious at all.
Consumed by hate? Me? No way.

I'm consumed by lots of other things, though.


I am consumed by fear, though, over America's future, watching Supreme Court justices chosen because of religious beliefs and worshipping Bush like a god, instead of merit and qualifications, fearful that what begins with overturning Roe might end with the Supremes outlawing living wills, stem cell research, and other privacy rights to which every American citizen is entitled. 


I am consumed by anger that an American president would use fear and lies to the entire world in order to wage a war that he most likely had planned before he was even elected president.


I'm consumed by frustration that after 9/11, we don't have a leader who cares enough about the safety of Americans to secure our borders, KNOWING that it's easy access for foreign terrorists to enter this country, and actually causing two states to declare states of emergency for that reason.


I'm consumed by disappointment that our top leaders have no ethics or fondness for the truth, that two (at least) high-ranking White House officials would disclose the identity of a CIA agent working on WMD, placing many lives in danger by such disclosure -- simply because her husband told the truth about the president's lies.


I'm consumed by compassion as I witness the lower-middle class sinking even lower, closer to the poverty level by virtue of the luxury commodity that gasoline/home heating oil have become in America and worry about all the old people and children who will forget what it feels like to be safe and toasty warm in the winter, assuming they can stay healthy and survive the cold days and nights they will be forced to suffer.


I'm consumed by a sense of betrayal as I watch the promise of religious freedom in America vanish before my eyes, replaced by a theocracy catering to one religious group, rendering all other religions unequal and substandard.


Yes, I'm consumed by lots of things.  Hatred isn't one of them.  I don't hate anyone or anything.  Sadly, you and those of your ilk have cornered the market on that emotion, and I will pray for you, even if you do despise my particular God.


You need to take your hate goggles off

and read the entire thread before spouting your baseless accusations.  I've struggled and am not rich monetarily.  It's not my goal in life.  I'm rich in other things, and with that I'm content.  There are times I probably would have qualified for goverment help but I wouldn't take it.  My needs got met, because I called on a higher welfare source and that's God.  I in no way diminish the plight of others, and I don't think lower of others who do to get a leg up.  I give to my church and other charities, and for you to accuse me of thinking or caring for others is not only pompus but a completely untrue accusation.


You said below that you don't take time off from *correcting* others, but you seriously need to take some time off and cool your jets, because you come off looking really hostile and mean.


Hate to say this, but I thought

you were talking about the good ol' USA before I read the article you posted.  


From:Think Progress.com

Right-Wing Radio Host Advocates Murdering Border Crossers


Right-wing radio host Brian James of KFYI in Arizona recently advocated murder as a way of dealing with undocumented immigrants. An excerpt:

What we’ll do is randomly pick one night - every week - where we will kill whoever crosses the border. Step over there and you die. You get to decide whether it’s your lucky night or not. I think that would be more fun…[I’d be] happy to sit there with my high-powered rifle and my night scope.'

The remarks prompted Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard and U.S. Attorney Paul Charlton to send a complaint to the FCC. Here’s a portion:

At no time during this hour did Mr. James disavow violence or indicate he was joking. In fact, when one caller suggested Mr. James did not really mean he wanted to shoot and kill immigrants, Mr. James retorted that in fact he did mean it. Immediately after this exchange, Mr. James engaged the next caller in a discussion about the correct ammunition to use when shooting border crossers to make sure the shots would be fatal.

This type of threatening and inciting speech is dangerous and totally irresponsible for anyone, particularly a licensed body using public airways.

Brian James has not apologized and claims his comments were “satire.” Later, for a story on the KFYI website, James said “KFYI does not advocate shooting illegals. It might be fun, but they don’t advocate it.”


*Hate* jocks
You forgot to mention Garafalo, Franken, and the rest of the *Air America* hosts, but nobody listens to them, so I guess they don't really count do they. ;)
I see the hate you are perpetuating
Violence met with yet more violence. 
Wow....I know most of you hate his guts but...
he is a human being after all, and he just looks to me like he hs the weight of the world on his shoulders, and doesn't try to hide it for a photo op. I don't agree with all the decisions he has made, but I am firmly behind him on his terrorism stance, and I appreciate the fact that he doesn't mind showing his emotions. He is the FIRST President I have ever seen in tears talking with fallen soldiers' families, and he is not the first President to be in power in wartime. Yet many will say he doesn't care that soldiers die. Which is a ridiculous statement. Like I said, I do not agree with many decisions he has made, but I don't think he is the devil incarnate. As much as I have heard Obama say he was against the war, he wouldn't even go and visit wounded soldiers still living, and I certainly have never seen him in tears or even the least bit emotional talking about the losses. To him it is numbers it would appear...to Bush those numbers have faces and families. I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't what was on his mind in this photo.

I just don't understand the demonization of one man. I didn't see that treatment of Kennedy during Viet Nam or Clinton during Somalia and Kosovo...but of course, those men were Democrats. I guess that makes a difference in the minds of some. In mine...not so much.
Actually, I don't hate Obama....I just don't want him...
to be President, because I think it is wrong for the country. That is the great thing about America...we can all have our opinions. You can say Obama's "former" pastor if you like. I don't think on a personal level Obama has changed his feelings toward Wright or the doctrine of his church. He went there for 20 years. The man married he and his wife and baptized both of his children. He called him mentor. He wants to get elected so he publically distanced himself. I don't say that because I hate Obama. I say that because that is my impression of his actions. Frankly, I would have thought more of him if he would just have been honest about it. But he wants the job.

Haggee is not McCain's pastor and never has been. McCain has been going to North Phoenix Baptist Church for 15 years and his pastor is neither of these men. Parsley is a friend from what I understand, but neither of these men are McCain's pastor and he did not have a relationship with them like Obama had with Wright. Haggee just came out and endorsed McCain, and when McCain heard the comments he rejected the endorsement, just like Obama rejected Wright. So I suppose they are even on that score. McCain never took "advice" from Haggee, that I can find evidence of. Haggee simply publically endorsed him.

I do have some good things to say about McCain. He is third generation military and both his sons are in the military; one is in Iraq as we speak. He is a decorated war hero. His family has a history of service to this country. I believe that is a very good thing in these dangerous times. He had some issues in his personal life as a young man, did things he is ashamed of...but so did Obama. McCain cheated on his first wife and Obama did drugs and drank as a teenager. Both have been honest about that.

I also think we as Americans need to get over the blame game. Oil companies are not responsible for the mess we are in, neither are CEOs and millionaires (of which both Obama and McCain are). Yes, there have been some crooked CEOs. But you never hear about the thousands of other CEOs in the country who are NOT crooked and people act like they don't care about those other thousands. Just lump all CEOs together and say they are corrupt. Is that really fair?

Are all millionaires really to blame? The Bill Gates Foundation gives millions every year to charitable causes. So do many other millionaires. The so-called millionaries, big boys and CEOs also pay 90% of the taxes in this country already. Don't you think that is enough? If the Democrats keep on like they are, taxing American businesses into oblivion, businesses will fail, people will lose jobs and jobs will continue to go overseas. When it gets too expensive to operate in this country because of ridiculous taxes, if a business is to survive it has no choice but to offshore. That just makes economic sense. Instead of "taxing the rich" so much and driving businesses and employment offshore, they need to incentivize them to stay here. Oh...I guess that makes too much sense.


Where do I endorse hate??
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