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How ANYONE could vote for O with his RADICAL

Posted By: relationships should feel ashamed!.nm on 2008-10-30
In Reply to: Okay, so O's people are "sheeple" - gourdpainter

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I agree neither choice is great, but will vote McCain just as a vote against Obama. nm
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A vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote. No chance on Earth he can win. sm
Votes for him only take away from the real candidates.
radical jew
Radical jew:  Whew, I have known many.  Dress in all black, top hat, long side burns down to the elbows practically.  Will not even look towards anyone that isnt orthodox jew and believes like them, will dismiss you in an instant.  The ones who check restaurants and such places serving or making foods, they are paid off so the radical rabbis/orthodox jews give a clean bill of health for kosher, even though the establishments are kosher but the radical jews question it until they get $500.00 or more to give the okay and the establishments will pay cause without that okay that it is kosher, your company will go broke, at least in heavily jewish areas, NY, where I grew up.  They act like organized crime, for pete sake.  These guys are quite smart, they know how to work the system.  They get welfare.  They refuse to work as orthodox jews are supposed to pray and read and study all day and night, so the state (Im talking about NY state) gives them welfare as they are *holy men*.  They wont accept anyone that isnt born jewish.  Forget about marrying a non jew.  That person is a non person and will NEVER be accepted no matter what, not even if they become jewish.  Their children, born to a jew and non jew will also be nothing in the orthodox jews eyes.  I can go on and on.  Like I said, I invite you to check out New City, NY, Borough Park, Brooklyn and see what radical orthodox jews are all about.  I grew up with them.  Plus, a women is nothing in their eyes. If you go to synagogue with them, you sit in the back of the room. 
Good point. I don't vote party, I vote for the
person.  Every Democrat is not bad and every Republican good or vice versa.
No more of a radical than Jesus was.

:)


Especially among the radical and oh-so-holy
Incredibly homophobic, too. Ever hear anything so silly as that 'pray-away-the-gay' convention going on up in Palin's hometown?
I am not radical because I am a Christian....
You need to do your homework and stop believing things you know nothing about.

My Bible teaches to love everyone, even those that hate you. The Muslim Qur'an teaches hate, hate, hate, to hate anyone who is not Muslim and to pray for their demise and they pray daily for only themselves, not others. All men are not created equal under Islam, according to their teaching. They believe that even their own people who may be handicapped are not equal to them. They believe in different levels of human value.

You know nothing of what you speak because if you did, you would realize my faith is NOTHING like that.
ma is tied to one radical after another.
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Radical Agenda...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/25/boxer-seeks-ratify-treaty-erode-rights/


 


 


I think the artciles are a little radical

but it depends how you look at it. I will be looking into this some more. As with any new bill, it is outrageously large.


Further on in the bill, it states what must be done and I must say, it may put a lot of restaurants, small fishing fleets, etc. out of business. The records that must be kept are absolutely ridiculous. I did see where food producers must keep a record of what they use to grow the food (fertilizers, other nutrients, food for animals etc.), where it comes from, and some really nitpicky rules.


Mainly, what I get from this bill is to protect the American people from big farm producers in meats, poultry, and veggies, and foreign meat and veggies so the illnesses that have become part of the American way of life are no more (dream on government).


From the bill itself:



      (5) CATEGORY 1 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 1 food establishment' means a food establishment (other than a seafood processing establishment) that slaughters, for the purpose of producing food, animals that are not subject to inspection under the Federal Meat Inspection Act or poultry that are not subject to inspection under the Poultry Products Inspection Act.



      (6) CATEGORY 2 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 2 food establishment' means a seafood processing establishment or other food establishment (other than a category 1 establishment) not subject to inspection under the Federal Meat Inspection Act, the Poultry Products Inspection Act, or the Egg Products Inspection Act, that processes raw seafood or other raw animal products, whether fresh or frozen, or other products that the Administrator determines by regulation to pose a significant risk of hazardous contamination.



      (7) CATEGORY 3 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 3 food establishment' means a food establishment (other than a category 1 or category 2 establishment) that processes cooked, pasteurized, or otherwise ready-to-eat seafood or other animal products, fresh produce in ready-to-eat raw form, or other products that pose a risk of hazardous contamination.



      (8) CATEGORY 4 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 4 food establishment' means a food establishment that processes all other categories of food products not described in paragraphs (5) through (7).



      (9) CATEGORY 5 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 5 food establishment' means a food establishment that stores, holds, or transports food products prior to delivery for retail sale.



      (10) CONTAMINANT- The term `contaminant' includes a bacterium, chemical, natural toxin or manufactured toxicant, virus, parasite, prion, physical hazard, or other human pathogen that when found on or in food can cause human illness, injury, or death.



      (11) HAZARDOUS CONTAMINATION- The term `hazardous contamination' refers to the presence of a contaminant in food at levels that pose a risk of human illness, injury, or death or are capable of reaching levels that pose such risk during the shelf life of the product.



      (12) FOOD- The term `food' means a product intended to be used for food or drink for a human or an animal and components thereof.



      (13) FOOD ESTABLISHMENT-




        (A) IN GENERAL- The term `food establishment' means a slaughterhouse (except those regulated under the Federal Meat Inspection Act or the Poultry Products Inspection Act), factory, warehouse, or facility owned or operated by a person located in any State that processes food or a facility that holds, stores, or transports food or food ingredients.




        (B) EXCLUSIONS- For the purposes of registration, the term `food establishment' does not include a food production facility as defined in paragraph (14), restaurant, other retail food establishment, nonprofit food establishment in which food is prepared for or served directly to the consumer, or fishing vessel (other than a fishing vessel engaged in processing, as that term is defined in section 123.3 of title 21, Code of Federal Regulations).



      (14) FOOD PRODUCTION FACILITY- The term `food production facility' means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation.

You are voting for a radical socialist.
Be VERY careful what you ask for.
That's not far right wing radical Christians..that's the
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Obama is the one with radical friends and
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I hate any of these radical groups
and the panthers are no better than the klan was and it does seem like the news media just ignores what they don't want to report. They certainly should not be allowed to block the entrance which they were doing this morning. I have heard cops have been preparing for rioting, so all please be careful. I am reminded of Rodney King and rabblerousers just started attacking whites with no regard for how they may have felt as individuals. And, once again, the military vote will not be counted - how long are we going to tolerate that? It arrived "too late", probably because it was sent too late by Washington. Amazing.
He is a radical.. wants to be Robin-Hood.
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Radical Islam is not a religion......
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So when do we canonize this radical anti-American? sm

Hugo Chavez I believe is a growing symbol on the American radical Left like his mentor Fidel Castro. Chavez is a paranoid anti-American who believes America is out to get him just like Fidel believed the same thing.


Robertson’s comments to assassinate Chavez, unfortnately strengthens Chavez’s tyrannical grip over his people (and his paranoia). Chavez himself is becoming a tyrant who is funding international terrorism. From al-Qaeda to FARC. Chavez’s mentor Fidel Castro has funded international terrorism from the PLO, Hezbollah, Tamil Tigers, African National Congress and a whole bunch of other terrorist groups.


Chavez is a threat to America because of his ties to Fidel Castro and to international terrorism. I mean if the radical Left really believe Robertson’s comments were wrong, why does it give them the right to support Fidel Castro and his pal Hugo Chavez? Why does the left-wing media like people such as Ted Turner who owns CNN get away with being Fidel Castro’s admirer? Yet when there are reports of Castro and Chavez killing or making tyrannical iron fist rules against their own people, it’s okay but complain whenever someone like Robertson or someone else makes a harsh comments against their idols (i.e. Castro and Chavez)?


There in lines the double-standard of the American radical Left and how much influence they have over the media. If it’s wrong for Pat Robertson to make those comments, then it’s ten times worse for any hardline Lefty in the American media to admire Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez. But that never seems to be scorned by the media. Only Robertson’s statements.


and he was raised by his radical islamic stepfather

Be very aware..........


and if his wife is a member of the CFR - trust me, he's involved too.....


New World Order - New American Century - Skull and Bones - read up on it.........


And the radical religious right in America teaches...sm
that no one gets to heaven unless they believe in the "Lord Jesus Christ". I do not agree with either, but they both have the same belief that there is no way but their way. There is no difference.
It doesnt bother dems at all regarding O's radical
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Obama is a fraud and a radical, but the people will
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Radical relationships proved or hear say?

Unless you're talking about preacher Wright?  I am beginning to wonder why that is not an issue since John Mccain is so righteous.


Prophets of Doom - liberal! - radical!

The GOP's new message: Despair







THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter






Either word-torturer Frank Luntz has been writing memos to the brass and issuing orders to the troops again, or the GOP is taking its verbal cues from none other than the certifiable Alan Keyes.


Have you noticed? "Radical" is the new socialist, the new liberal, the creeping unhinged hyperbole suitable for all occasions in describing President Obama's budget proposal. It's now conservative chic, simply all the rage: big-government "liberal" is so yesterday.


Gee, it's almost as if someone -- listening, Frank? -- has focus-grouped the lingering efficacy of again hauling out that old "liberal" bogeyman, only to find that most voters no longer care. After partaking of the desolating fruits of right-wing rule for so long, if liberal is its antithesis, then bring it on, they say.


They're finally numb to the right's tireless stigmatization of the word; hence a new one -- one with more shock-value kick to it -- was desperately needed. And "Radical" must have pegged the bogeyman-o-meter.


Never mind that what Obama now proposes is more or less the same he proposed for roughly two years on the campaign trail; and above all never mind that what he proposes is far more organically pragmatic than schematically liberal. For the right, debate is all about innovative exaggeration and ominous labeling -- "framing" remains the hot-button word for the partisan presentation of hot-button issues -- since an honest argument carries the insufferable risk of losing it.


Yes, I know the word has been thrown about by the right for some time now, or, to pinpoint its origination in application to Obama, since the fizzled phenomenon of William Ayers. But it was just yesterday that I noticed on the Sunday talk shows the word's almost Post-It-reminder-note-on-the-forehead usage by the distinguished gentlemen from the GOP.


The president is engaging in radical exercises, intoned the increasingly preprogrammed Sen. Lindsey Graham on "Meet the Press," oblivious to the profoundly non-radical nature of, say, even corporate support for some form of universal health care. Nor is equal opportunity of education -- so that, perhaps, just maybe, this nation can compete more effectively in the global rat race of capitalism -- customarily regarded by political theorists as Leninist to its core.


But hey, it's a lot more fun to bend reality when reality is incompatible with one's political agenda; and, of course, in this crowded age of competing messages, the bending must be done with overwhelming force and unprecedented volume.


Later, during MTP's roundtable discussion, the solemn consensus among three-fourths of the four-member panel was that the restoration of American confidence is indispensable as the first step in the restoration of the American economy.


Then came Panel Member Number Four, Newt Gingrich, the Big Idea Man, blasting away at -- any guesses? -- yep, Obama's radicalism. It was segment two; removed was the cardboard cut-out of Lindsey and installed was the cardboard cut-out of Newt. Yet the viewer would have hardly noticed the change in personnel. Both were reading from the same Orwellian Luntzism -- Obama's "radicalism" is double ungood.


What was Newt's alternative Big Idea? What, I hear you ask, was his counterproposition for solving what his party has created in the monstrous form of nearly insoluble problems?


Well, he didn't have one. Not one, not even a little Big Idea. Not even a whiff of one. Instead, he wanted us only to know that Obama's radicalism was undermining the very confidence that Newt's fellow panelists sought.


Newt wasn't doing that, mind you. Obama is, or rather, his radicalism is -- which at any rate just won't work, because it's too big in purpose, it's too challenging, it's simply too much for the American people to handle.


As I listened to Graham's rehearsed shock and awe, then Gingrich's, then a bit later Sen. Richard Shelby's strikingly similar exasperation on ABC's "This Week," it occurred to me that what now underlies the conservative argument is the precise opposite of what conservatives have argued for decades: that given a big enough challenge, Americans can accomplish anything -- but first, the gauntlet must be thrown.


I heard none of that yesterday. What I did hear was rote defeatism -- that determined countermeasures to undo what the right has wrought are doomed as radical impossibilities. In short, conservatives of Ronald Reagan's American Mornings are now banking on utmost despair, trusting that Americans will prefer that to "radical exercises."


And that's quite the seismic shift in their own message, a shift even greater than the one they're trying to impose on Obama's.


 


Then you need to vote for Obama. A vote for McCain will...sm
not help you. Obama wants to give tax relief to 90% of Americans who earn 1% of the gross earnings in this country. The top 1% of earners bring in 90% of earnings. Any one person who earns $250,000 or less will benefit from Obama's tax plan.
they didn't vote - they registered to vote -
that is a big difference. The votes were not counted, they were stopped by the means in which they were supposed to be stopped - ID verification, address verification, etc. The cards were filled out by the ACORN workers and then given to the proper authorities to sort through.

The phony registrations were pulled out by the actual authorities. ACORN is just a middle man.
We get what we vote for. If we vote "party", we get extremes.
If we make it a point to try to identify candidates who hold moderate views and vote for them, rather than voting a "party ticket", we'll have a better chance of getting away from these extremes, whether right or left.

One of the problems, though, is that candidates often play games with their real positions. During the primaries, they talk the "party" line and then they move to the center for the general election. Both sides do this, unfortunately.

The only hope is to look at their past records - and take them seriously. History is prologue to the future. When a man has done certain things in his adult life, it tells us more about him than anything he says. If Obama hasn't taught us this fundamental truth, we'll never learn it. The evidence about him goes all the way back to his days in law school, and it was available for anyone to see. Some didn't bother to look. Others looked and didn't take it seriously. Either way, we weren't paying attention or he'd have probably never made it through the primaries.

No one can pull the wool over your eyes unless you let them, and the way they do it is by making smooth speeches filled with unlikely promises (and even glaring contradictions as they appeal to groups with opposite interests). They believe we won't notice the lies, exaggerations and mischaracterizations of their opponent's positions, etc. Unfortunately, they are often right.

Let's start taking the candidates' prior records and their life histories as the best evidence of who they really are - not their speeches. If we do this, we'll make better choices.
Protest Warriors was hacked by radical leftists. SM
The administrator's had nothing to do with it.  In fact, they fight this on a daily basis.  As far as ISP numbers, I don't know of a chat board anywhere where the administrator does not keep track.  And I don't know of one anywhere where the information is shared.
Are there any good books on *the radical terrorist mind*? sm
and whose the author?
his cousin is Raila Odinga - radical muslim

y'all need to further investigate and not via snopes either....Barack's cousin, Raila Odinga, executes genocide in Kenya.....


you all can just Google this issue and read all about it, I've been reading about it for months on end....and please do not shoot the messenger (me)  LOL


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Your arrogance just wreaks radical leftwing politics

It wreaks so much it stinks.


I weighed in with my radical retired Teamster husband

to make sure I get it right.  Having been married to me for a number of years, he is fairly well versed in the field of MT.  So let's look at unions from that perspective:


Say we have an MT who cherry picks and signs off every time a dictator comes up that she doesn't want to do.  Other MTs that have to pick up after this MT complain until the company finally decides to fire this bad MT.  Okay, the firing is done.  The slacking MT files a grievance with her union.  A hearing is scheduled with the Union representative, the company representative, the bad MT and any interested parties may also appear on either side as witnesses...a sort of trial if you will.  The company must present all records for the bad MT to day 1 of employment.  Co-workers can speak for or against the person.  Let's say that the documentation backs up the bad MT firing.  She is fired.......end of story.


Another real example:  Radical Teamster husband once had a hot-shot supervisor.  Husband got so angry one day that he threw a trash can at the supervisor.  He was fired.  He filed a greviance and was suspended until the hearing.  At the hearing the company brought their records of some 20 odd years of hard work and being a good employee, 1 episode of, I think they called it insubordination.    Co-workers appeared on behalf of husband.  Husband received a reprimand from the union about the trash can throwing incident and went back to his job.  Shortly thereafter the company fired the supervisor. Supervisors were not represented by the union and he was fired...period.


Wouldn't it be nice if MTs had someone to stand up for them today?


It's interesting how radical liberals have labeled themselves "moderate"...
and anyone who is conservative has been labeled extreme. I really think that it depends on who you are. I feel that gay marriage is an extremely liberal thing to support, as do, apparently, the majority voters in California, yet the liberal left would have us believe that being against gay marriage is extreme and for it is moderate. Just something to think about.
What, in your opinion, would have made things with radical terrorirst islamofascists better? sm

I am interested in hearing the strategy.  How should we have responded to 9/11 and threats of further terror?  Also, the use of the word all is not appropriate, unless you mean all leftists.  I don't include myself in that all and most people I associate with don't either.  Did you read the document?  I did. 


A key quote from the document:

The Iraq conflict has become the cause celebre for jihadists, breeding a deep
resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for
the global jihadist movement. Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves,
and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry
on the fight.

Doesn't that seem to say that once we win the war in Iraq, the Jihadists cause will be weaker? Therefore, winning the war in Iraq is the best course of action, in the short term. If you continue to read the document, regarding what to do about the threats, which, I contend is the most important part, you will perceive that the best long term solution is to promote...

Greater pluralism and more responsive political systems in Muslim majority nations would alleviate some of the grievances jihadists exploit. Over time, such progress, together with sustained, multifaceted programs targeting the vulnerabilities of the jihadist movement and continued pressure on al-Qa’ida, could erode support for the jihadists.

What does that mean?.....ta da, that the spread of freedom and democracy throughout the Middle East, is the best chance to defeat the Jihadists. Isn't that precisely what we are doing?


My favorite part of the report, though:  Anti-US and anti-globalization sentiment is on the rise and fueling other radical ideologies. This could prompt some leftist, nationalist, or separatist groups to adopt terrorist methods to attack US interests.


Fortunately, Lurker, many on the left realize the threat from radical Islam. sm
It isn't political, but it has been made that way.  That's why a lot of you have been lulled into being apologist for murdering Islamofascists. 
The protesters, who were reportedly made up of followers of radical Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr...
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The protesters, who were reportedly made up of followers of radical Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr...

and also have burned American flags.


No not Christians, just far right wing radical Christians who,,,sm
believe that God speaks directly only to them and do not welcome anyone who does not have their beliefs.
She's got my vote
Nominate Cindy Sheehan for Time Magazine Person of the Year - Pass it on!
I'd vote for him
as long as he is a real man and not some man who cowers to every poll or what his wife tells him to do.  We need more real men in this country who say what they do and do what they say.  I think men are tired of being disrespected and not being, well, men.  I think you are right.  We as a people need to elect and everyday fly-over-country Joe to the presidency.  The type of Joe that still realizes what made this country great.  God, glory, and guts.  My pastor was just commenting on that this morning. 
vote war?

If you like war, empire building, big government then you are safe in voting for any of the candidates running for the presidential office, except for one: Ron Paul.


The agendas are all headed in the same direction, so you really do not have to worry about which one to vote for for.


Ron Paul is the only candidate with a different agenda. And of course, should he win, he cannot make changes overnight. But he could lead us in the direction of limited government, sound money, peace and constitutional law. Paul's ideas and principles are not new, but are similar to those of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and others.


I will vote Ron Paul.


 


 


I will vote for either one.
I consider it my job to get a dem elected this time, that's why I don't take part in the arguments about them.
don't vote
Please don't vote. If you can't see all the atrocious things that our current tyrant (err I mean president) has done and how he has damaged America in the world, please don't vote. I would really hate to see someone who has never bothered to open their eyes to the way the world is and taken the time to educate themselves in politics or world issues voting for someone in this election. I think all those people should just stay home because they have no idea what they are voting for or what that person might stand for.

And btw, if anyone was the antichrist it would be Bush and McCain. D-E-V-I-L.
Don't vote?
Who are you to decide who should vote and who should not? Just because people don't have the same political beliefs you do doesn't mean they should sit home on election day! Sounds like if you had your way, we'd still be singing God Save the Queen!
Why vote at all
People have been "dumbed down" into believing they have to vote. Why doesn't anyone realize...our vote doesn't count. There's no way I'll vote for McCain and I'm not sure about Obama. My no vote for me is a statement. Sure you can write in anyone you want, you can say none of the above but why even bother. It's not going to make a difference. Those ballots will just be thrown in the trash without a second thought. Whoever is our next president has already been picked. We're just watching the side show until the election day. Then it will be reported to make it look to the people that we have a say in who is elected president. The simple truth is we don't. I was talking to my dad and he said this year he's not going to vote. He told a co-worker why do you feel you have to vote, it does no good. But unfortunately a lot of people think the same way - that their vote counts. I'm not voting and then if something gets messed up none of my family or friends can "blame" me that I voted for him. So my choice this year is to not vote.
Vote
I am African American born in 1958.  The Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965.  I remember my father telling me to always vote.  I will never give up my right to vote even if others think our vote does not count.  There was a time when my parents could not vote at all.  I will think long and hard on who to vote for and will vote for the lesser of two evils. 
I vote Dem because I believe
in the principles they stand for.  I am not against voting for a repub . . . just have never seen one whose priorities are the same as mine.  If they did have same priorities, they would be a democrat.  Flame away.
Why would the DNC want you to vote?
To support THEIR agenda of course! lol
how to vote
Truthfully, I don't know which one of the candidates is better, or which one is worse.  Corruption is everywhere.  Maybe there is no real good answer, and it's all an exercise in futility.  I'm still going to vote, just because it's something that I do.  However, at this point, I might as well just flip a coin.  Actually, lately, I've just been looking at the candidates from a health and vitality standpoint.  Which ones are the healthiest?  Which ones seem to be in a position to withstand stress better than the other?  Experience seems important, but if everything else is pretty equal, health is all that's left to compare, IMHO.
one vote
good thing you only get one vote.
Isn't there someone else we can vote for? sm

Are these two guys, McCain and Obama, the only choices we have?  Realistically?  Nader is never gonna win, so he isn't.  What would happen if we all did a write-in?


It has come down to voting for Communism or More of the Same.  As I don't want to be a Communist, I guess I'll vote for More of the Same. 


Also, all this arguing about government-run healthcare...Anybody been to the VA recently????  Gee that is working so very well for us. 


There's my 2 cents.  Have at it!


HC


Vote
Hi! You are absoultely correct. EVERY vote from EVERY state should matter.

I live in one of the battleground states (PA), so my vote will matter I this election. However we were told from January 2008 until the primary that our choice would not matter because it was so late the candidates will have already been chosen......McCain already had been but CLinton vs Obama was still very close.

I do not wish to share my political views, only state that EACH vote from EACH state should carry the same signtificance.
No wonder so many in our country are so apathetic. It must feel awful to have your vote mean nothing.We are disenfranchising most of the population. This is not government of the people, or for the people regardless of your political peferences.