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I beg to differ but Obama

Posted By: sm on 2009-01-24
In Reply to: The thing is you're not giving him - A Fair Chance

does have an agenda and a long list of things he has promised already.  Just because he just moved in doesn't mean he can't make a moronic decision right now.  He is already trying to pass a stimulus bill that I feel won't do a darn bit of good.  I have a right to look at his promises and and see which ones I think are good and which ones are bad.  I have a right to watch him from day 1 to see what his intentions are.  It really bothers me that you people think we should just sit back and wait for something bad to happen before we start questioning things.  Things are going on now....yes...even in his first week.  This doesn't mean I'm not giving him a chance.  I accept that he is my commander and chief.  I have the highest respect for him for becoming the first African American president.  He is a good speaker....minus some of the uuuuuuuhs....and I think his two little girls are adorable. 


It is my job as an American citizen to take pride in my country and want what is best and in doing so....I have to watch and make sure that the people who have been voted into office are doing the right thing for America....not their own personal purses and wallets.  I have a right to question what he wants to do.  I have a right to contact my congressman and senators and let them know if I think they are idiots or not.  That doesn't mean I'm not giving them a chance....but I am watching closely. 




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Beg to differ

Actually, Robertson is probably part of the White House staff.


And actually Robertson probably broke a law when he threatened Chavez life.  That's not free speech anymore.


I beg to differ, try looking it up
PNAC is real and what American Woman posted is real. You need to learn to research things yourself instead of believing what you hear out of Bill O'Reilly or Hannity et al. Try Google someday and look it up. You might actually get ::gasp:: informed!
I beg to differ

 


  My point in bringing this up was not about stem cell research, was not about Democrats or Republicans using people as props, it was simply and only about 1 man ridiculing another. I saw the original Rush, I saw the MJF ad, I saw the Rush apology. I was reacting to the original Rush and I thought it was over the top cruel. Whether or not MJF was on meds or not on meds was not my point. My point was that a young man has Parkinson's and a person in a position to reach thousands ridiculed him and in watching the initial video I was really sickened. It was just so cruel. So that is my point, the fact that Rush did a despicable thing, in my opinion. That's all.  My post was not to address stem cell research or political pandering or any of the other ludicrous things people say and do to get into office. It was a mere statement that one able bodied man made fun of one who is not, in words and actions.


AS an aside, if MJF had made that ad for the other side, say he was on TV , appearing exactly as he did in the Democratic ad and he said something along the lines of **I have Parkinson's and although it is devastating as you can see, stem cell research is not the way to go.** would you have thought he was being manipulative or off his meds or acting. Would you judge him as harshly??


I beg to differ....
Marines Discover Terror Training Camp Near Baghdad
Wednesday, April 16, 2003

BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. forces came upon a recently abandoned terrorist training camp on the outskirts of Baghdad where recruits were apparently taught how to make bombs and what to do if they got captured, the Marines said Wednesday.

The extensive camp consisted of about 20 permanent buildings on 25 acres south of the city and was operated by the Iraqi government and the Palestine Liberation Front, said Marine spokesman Cpl. John Hoellwarth.

Among the documents found were filled-out questionnaires that included such questions as "What type of missions would you like to carry out?" according to Hoellwarth. He said many recruits wanted to carry out suicide missions.

The camp included an obstacle course and what appeared to be a prison, to teach terrorists what to do if captured and interrogated, Hoellwarth said.

Recruits were also apparently taught how to make bombs, he said. The Marines found chemicals, beakers and pipes.

Hoellwarth said uniforms and gas masks were also left behind, along with bread and other food, suggesting the place had been used fairly recently.

And more:
Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2003 11:10 p.m. EDT
Press Reported Extensively on Iraq-9/11 Links

Confounded by a recent Washington Post poll that showed 69 percent of Americans now believe that Iraq had a hand in the 9/11 attacks, journalists are pressing the Bush administration to deny the notion unequivocally - in an apparent bid to undermine what for many was the most compelling rationale for making war on Baghdad earlier this year.

That why reporters this week questioned Vice President Di*k Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and even President Bush on whether they believed that Iraq had anything to do with the kamikaze attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

But if reporters really want to know why Americans see ties between Baghdad and 9/11, they need look no further than their own archives, where they'll find repeated and as yet undisputed reports documenting compelling evidence of Iraq's role in the attacks.

A Lexis Nexis search for the three months after 9/11 turned up no fewer than 85 mainstream news reports describing, for instance, activities at the terrorist training camp Salman Pak.

Here's what the New York Times said about the camp six weeks after 9/11:

"New information does suggest that Mr. Hussein was actively training terrorists to attack American interests throughout the 1990's.

"One example is the testimony of Sabah Khodada, a captain in the Iraqi army who emigrated to Texas in May after working for eight years at what he described as a terrorist training camp at a bend in the Tigris River just southeast of Baghdad."

According to the Times, Khodada described the camp as "a highly secret installation" where "non-Iraqi Arabs from Persian Gulf countries, including Saudi Arabia" received training in "assassinations, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, hijacking of buses, hijacking of trains, and all other kinds of operations related to terrorism."

In comments unmentioned by the Times but covered by PBS, Khodada said that when he saw the twin towers fall he thought to himself, "This was done by graduates of Salman Pak."

Here's how National Public Radio characterized Iraq's link to the 9/11 attacks in a report the same month:

"The case against Iraq is based on three things. First, Mohamed Atta, believed to be the key organizer of the September 11th attacks, met earlier this year with an Iraqi agent in Prague.

"Second, Iraq's stockpiled anthrax as a biological weapon.

"And third, recent allegations that there's a camp in Iraq where foreign terrorists are trained. The allegation about the terrorist training camp comes through a recent Iraqi defector. According to this story, the camp is located near the town of Salman Pak, southeast of Baghdad, and it contains a Boeing jetliner that could be used to train hijackers how to seize a plane."

Charles Deulfer, former Deputy Head, U.N. Special Commission for Iraq, told NPR, "There were lots of places in Iraq where training of non-Iraqis, or things, which by our lexicon would be considered terrorism, was taking place. That's why Iraq is on the terrorist list. Having a large aircraft, a 707, in a peninsula, completely visible from the air or from satellite, with no airline runways nearby, that's not there by accident."

"Meet the Press" host Tim Russert, who last week claimed that "no one" believes in an Iraq-9/11 link, was also singing a different tune in December 2001.

Interviewing Vice President Dk Cheney, Russert cited the then-recent comments of former CIA Director James Woolsey.

"We know that at Salman Pak, on the southern edge of Baghdad, five different eyewitnesses - three Iraqi defectors and two American U.N. Inspectors - have said - and now there are aerial photographs to show it - a Boeing 707 that was used for training of hijackers, including non-Iraqi hijackers trained very secretly to take over airplanes with knives."

Russert then displayed satellite imagery of Salman Pak for his audience, telling Cheney, "And we have photographs. As you can see that little white speck – and there it is, the plane on the ground in Iraq used to train non-Iraqi hijackers."

Then the NBC newsman asked incredulously, "Do you still believe there's no evidence that Iraq was involved in September 11?"

New York Times columnist William Safire went even further, detailing in late October 2001 extensive ties between bin Laden, his henchmen and Saddam's intelligence service leading up to 9/11.

"Faruq Hijazi, in 1994 Saddam's secret service director and now his ambassador to Turkey, has had a series of meetings with bin Laden. These began in Sudan, arranged by Hassan al-Tourabi, the Sudanese Muslim leader, and continued in Afghanistan. The conspiracy was furthered in Baghdad in 1998 between bin Laden's No. 2 man, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Saddam's vice president, Taha Yasin Ramadan."

Safire continued, "To strengthen Saddam's position in the Arab world during his 1998 crisis with the U.N., bin Laden established the 'World Islamic Front for Jihad Against the Jews and the Crusaders.' The Muslim-in-name Iraqi dictator reciprocated by promising secure refuge in Iraq for bin Laden and his key lieutenants if they were forced to flee Afghanistan."

More from Safire:

"Bin Laden sent a delegation of his top AL Qaeda terrorists to Baghdad on April 25, 1998, to attend the grand celebration that week of Saddam's birthday. It was then that Saddam's bloody-minded son Uday agreed to receive several hundred Al Qaeda recruits for terrorist training in techniques unavailable in Afghanistan.

"That Baghdad birthday party, according to an unpublished spying report, celebrated something else: Uday Hussein's agreement with bin Laden's men to formally establish a joint force consisting of some of Al Qaeda's fiercest 'Afghan Arab' fighters and the covert combatants in Iraqi intelligence unit 999."

With the exception of Mohamed Atta's meeting with Iraqi intelligence in Prague, none of the above information has ever been disputed. In fact, in May of this year, Manhattan U.S. District Judge Harold Baer ruled that Iraq played a material role in the 9/11 attacks in a case brought against Baghdad by families of two World Trade Center victims.

But for a mainstream press that now seems primarily interested in making the case that President Bush made war on Iraq under false pretenses, these old reports and dozens more like them are suddenly very inconvenient. That's why they've disappeared down the media's collective memory hole.

Unfortunately, President Bush gave reporters a giant helping hand in perpetuating their cover-up when he said on Wednesday that even he didn't see any evidence tying Iraq to 9/11.

The White House is said to be reluctant to press the issue because CIA Director George Tenet has dismissed all evidence of a connection. The Salman Pak defectors, for instance, were reportedly treated dismissively in interviews with CIA debriefers who showed no interest in pursuing a possible Iraq-9/11 link.

Selective memory is a wonderful thing, ain't it??
Beg to differ on this.
In this regard, I don't think that 30 years of experience is a political liability, nor do I think choosing him is contradictory to the progressive change message. An example (of many) would be Biden's expertise in foreign policy, though certainly that is not all he brings to the table. This is one of the areas where change is most urgently needed. Fareed Zakharia interviewed Obama on his GPS program last weekend. For those fortunate enough to hear it, any doubts that Obama is right for this role would have been dispelled. He spoke with eloquence, confidence and strength about his rich understanding of Islamic principles, parties, politics and cultures. He, more than any other politician (including Biden) in recent times, expresses and manifests the VISION our country needs to turn the politics of war into the politics of effective diplomacy. As a perfect complement, Biden brings the bricks and mortar needed to transform this vision into a reality that, not only will clean up the mess we currently find ourselves in, but will also, in the long-term, help to restore the credibility and respect we have lost in the international community during the past 8 years…something that comes in mighty handy in the war on terrorism, that is of course, if peace on earth is the goal.

Joe Biden helps mitigate right-wing accusations of elitism by bringing his appeal to the middle-class worker into play. Washington DC is not Joe Biden's comfort zone. To borrow a few media buzz words, the kitchen table politics as exercised in coffee shops along the way by a daily AmTrak single father/husband/family man commuter are more his style. His dedication to domestic violence initiatives over time resonates strongly among those whose lives are directly impacted by this tragedy. This issue is not exactly a top priority among upper crust elitists. He helps to energize some of our country's most disenfranchised, whose turnout to vote could play a pivotal role in the outcome of this election.

Not enough experience versus too much experience. Some can find fault on opposite ends of any spectrum in their quests to generate discontent and doubt. What is important here (in terms of "change" and "hope") is whether or not an old-timer (or a relative newcomer, for that matter) has the capacity to approach the problems we face and the failures we must address in the spirit of finding new, fresh, inspiring and progressive proposals and the ability to gain consensus and MOVE FORWARD, away from the bipartisan bickering and politics as usual dogma that has brought us to this dark hour in our nation's history. Personally, I believe Joe Biden possesses all the qualities necessary to apply hard-earned lessons to a progressive agenda that are completely consistent with campaign message of hope and change.

I beg to differ but there are

many mothers who work full-time jobs and have children.  In this day in age, it is very difficult to have only a one income family.  Your thinking of woman staying home to be barefoot and pregnant is so outdated it is not funny.  This reminds me of my mother's yearbook where each student had listed their life ambition and about every woman put "to be a housewife."  Things have changed since the 50s.


Once again, why is this only directed to SP?  Obama has young children.  Why is it so crucial to say that SP should stay home to take care of her children instead of running for VP and not say the same for Obama and running for president.  A dad is just as important as a mom....so if you use this against SP...the same can be said against Obama.


So let us return to the 21st century where women have careers as well as children.


Beg to differ
"only what is told to you in your buildings you visit each week to get your weekly dose of brainshwashing)"

Now that's bitter. I'm not sure what church you went to, but in the building I visit, we are not taught to hate others but to love one another, regardless of how they act towards you. BUT, that does not mean we are to lay down, roll over, and let someone take this country down a road to destruction and destroy the very thing where so many before us came in hopes of making their lives better,i.e., hard work with the hope of actually becoming profitable.

You are right though about Obama.......the the core he is a Muslim, and they don't believe in letting you be rewarded for your hard work.

"My Muslim faith" wsa enough except for those who refuse to see and he said with his own mouth he is a Muslim, and not just by birth.

You make a good point when you say they contradict themselves. They accuse Christians of hating gays but Obama says he is a Christian. O lovers do hate it when you back them in a corner.

I would beg to differ with
It's the democratic congress that has ruined this country. Bush DOES NOT have absolute power. Did you real this entire post from the OP? Did it not frighten you that God Almighty could very likely turn his back on our country? I know when I read the scripture quoted in this post, it literally brought tears to my eyes. It scares me! America needs to WAKE UP...
I beg to differ.....(sm)

*I certainly have no problem with atheists, agnostics or whatever posting their lack of religious views that affect their political views.*


Uhhhh...if that were true you wouldn't be raising such a stink right now...LOL.


I beg to differ
I would give no credibility to Youtube period.  I am not looking for anything to praise Obama for....yet.  Time will tell.  If time tells he has done a good job I'm sure it will be reported in the regular news.  If he does bad the same will happen.  Fox News will make sure of that!
I beg to differ.......... sm
Bringing in the link about Johnston's mother's drug charges were intended to further the case against Palin.

As for hostility, no, I'm not hostile. I'm just tired of seeing people raked over the coals again and again for things that are beyond their control. What good purpose does it serve? Does it make you feel somehow morally superior that your daugther is not pregnant without the benefit of marriage or that your child's boy/girlfriend's mother hasn't been brought up on drug charges?

Give it a rest and get a life already.
I beg to differ.
The points BB made and the issues she raised will remain burned in the memories of many those who suffered through his 8 years of h*ll on earth.
I have to beg to differ here........... sm
Government programs are fine for those who have fallen on hard times and are unable to care for their children, and granted, there are others who abuse the system. However, an unmarried woman who is on disability and already draws assistance from the government for the care of her existing 6 children should not go on to birth 8 more children and expect the government to take care of her and them. This was no accidental pregnancy, this was a carefully planned and executed pregnancy done by in vitro. While this does not make in vitro in and of itself wrong, it does show an extreme lack of common sense and good judgment by a woman who does it for selfish purposes, that being her own admission that she wanted children because they would love her and not leave her, and who obviously cannot afford the children she has, much less 8 more. It also shows a disturbing lack of concern for other people, people who will be footing the bill for her and her brood for a long time to come in a state where there is basically no money left and is having to lay off over 20,000 people as it is. How can you say that it is nobody's business but her own? Seems to me it is the entire state of California's business as they are the ones who will be supporting her.

I won't even go into the logistics of caring for 14 children, all under the age of, what, 6 or 7 and 8 of them newborns.
I beg to differ
I live in a small village in SW Iowa (population 8- though 1 is in a nursing home for now). Contrary to popular belief, some of us are actually quite literate, can punctuate and use proper English, both American and The Queen's. We don't all have wheat chaff between her lips, nor do we all chew tobacco. We don't all vote Republican and some of actually managed to get beyond the 6th grade. We don't all read the bible, nor do we all marry at 16.

So, please, stop assuming everyone whose conduct you don't approve is from the midwest. Obnoxious knows no geographical boundaries.
This is where our beliefs differ...sm
*...and we need to support our country's efforts in Iraq and support the men and women who are there trying to keep just this thing from happening.*

Your Rush Limbaugh cup runneth over. Sure anything can happen in America, but it is ridiculous to believe that us pulling out of Iraq is going to be our death certificate. That somehow we will just lie down and surrender the USA to Arabs.

where our beliefs differ....
I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh on a regular basis (unlike some liberals, I am fully capable of forming an opinion without the help of others), and the opinion I stated is my own. Ever heard the old saying the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step...? Well, every time we pull out of somewhere or ignore an opportunity (like Bill Clinton did out of Somalia, like Bill Clinton did in NONreponse to HOW many terrorist attacks during his presidency) we lay the groundwork for defeat. What makes you think that the same waffling liberals now won't be the same waffling liberals who run to Canada or anywhere else they can if we are attacked here? Tell me, Democrat, why should I believe you or put faith in your party who want to run yet again, to NOT to just lie down and surrender the USA to terrorists? Please tell me how I can have confidence in that? Because you SAY you will?? You need to understand these people...every weakness you show empowers them. They would see us pulling out now as a great victory. Maybe YOU want to give them that. I DO NOT.
I beg to differ. The crowds were not as big...sm
as 2+ million but the excitement was exactly the same.
I beg to differ with you! Our forefathers sm
DID found this country on Judeo-Christian values! Go back and read some REAL history books that haven't been "sanitized."

The way they are re-writing history now, they are taking everything out that this country was really founded on.

You are very wrong!
There are a lot of Southern Baptists around here who would differ with you. sm
My husband's church, where his uncle is the pastor, definitely believes Revelations is telling of the future.  There have to be a thousand different interpretations of Revelations out there. But there are definitely churchs who believe differently that what you are saying.
I beg to differ, it IS about "we" people.
Yes, I am a middle class American. I still have healthy savings and the credit cards I have are not maxed, because of choices I have made. You cannot blame the Republicans for peoples' bad decisions. I am not a Republican; I am an Independent. Though I have to say...if any party has been hijacked it is the Democrats...might as well change the name to the socialist party, because that is what it has become. That is evident in the posts I see here. They have convinced you that the wealthy people/corporations in the world are evil. If you knew how corporations figured into the economy of this country, you would know that is just not true. Corporations employ millions of Americans. Small businesses employ most of the rest of us. Democrats want to tax them into oblivion and drive even more business offshore to get out from under the tax burden. We have a higher tax on our businesses than any other country...which makes us extremely noncompetitive. THAT is why we lose jobs overseas and jobs here. Because the Democratic party has put the rax rate so high.

I don't want more and bigger government...I want less. I don't want higher taxes. I want less. I want businesses to be able to open and operate and compete with business outside our shores rather than join that business to get out from under taxes. I would like for Democrats to follow the entire Constitution and Bill of Rights, not just the parts that serve their agenda. I would like to get back to the place in America where we are Americans first, and Democrats/Republicans second. I would like politics in Washington to change, and Obama is not the one to do that. He and his VP are the #1 and #3 most liberal senators in the senate. They are washington politics as usual. Obama's entire career has been washington politics as usual...as is Biden's...30 years in the senate in washington. They are exactly opposite of any change. That is simple fact.

As to Republicans not making country stronger...that is the one major thing I agree with Bush on. He HAS kept this country safe. He has kept us on the offensive. And that is why we have not had another attack. AL Qaeda is much weaker. We drove them out of Iraq. I have no reason to think McCain will not continue that. He has said he would, and with his military experience, I believe him.

Obama is scary to me for that reason. I think he is soft on terrorism. He talks about "factions" of radical Islam and how you have to identify the "faction." That says to me he doesn't get it.

I do not agree that all the kids want Obama. However...this election is about all Americans, young, middle-aged, older. We all matter in this election.
I beg to differ, you are definitely not a stupid redneck. LOL! nm
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I have to beg to differ with you on one point, Marmann.......... sm
Biracial offspring have existed in this country for many, many years, dating back to the days of slavery when white slave owners would take a slave to be their mistress or even rape an unwilling black slave just because they could. It has even been said that Thomas Jefferson fathered children by one of his slaves. And if Obama was born in Hawaii as he says he was, the culture there was much different than the mainland US, even though there were miscegenation laws in place at the time of his birth. If I understand Obama's family history correctly, his mother and father did not live together in the US, with the possible exception of Hawaii, during their marriage. Most, if not all of their marriage, was lived out in Indonesia.

But I digress........

Whether the man in the White House is black, white or another race or any combination thereof is of no consequence to me. The qualifications based on the Constitution and experience and knowledge to effectively and safely lead America are first and foremost and should be on the mind of every voting American.


Sorry, I beg to differ - a 6 week blob of tissue is not a CHILD yet. nm
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I beg to differ on all three of the companies you labeled make crappy cars...
I have had 2 Ford's in my life, my husband has had one and they are most reliable cars ever..the same goes for Chrysler and GM...I happen to live in Ohio where we have Ford, Chrysler and GM within a 20-mile radius of my house...it is sad because it is really affecting the economy around here with them closing...I for one would never buy a foreign car...My Dad retired from Chrysler and my Grandfather retired from Ford...
This post really makes me WANT to vote for Obama. I am undecided, but this pushes me closer to Obama
...Thanks for the info!
Obama was cool, while grouchy man steamed. Obama!!!
I'm so happy.  The dippy people on here who are haters and racists and mccain lovers must be so po'd today.  HAHAHAHAHAHA
If Obama gets elected, then it was meant to be! Go, Obama!
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Go Obama/Biden! I don't like it and will VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN!

Obama has shown great judgment in the people who surround him.  He picked a great VP choice, and his wife is impeccable as a helpmate and is a fantastic role model for the American children.   


Obama

I believe Obama has an awesome political future.  He sure is a bright light, and he would be someone I would seriously consider voting for.


Someone I like even better is Rep. Harold Ford from Tennessee.  Every time I hear this man speak, I like him more and more and more.


I think there are lots of good candidates out there who don't fit the profiles you outlined, which I also believe to be true, and I think we're well overdue in considering those candidates because, in my opinion, what we've been offered in the last several elections -- on BOTH sides -- has been pretty pitiful.  The "box" isn't working, and it's time to look outside of it.


Obama is the man!!!
I think he will make an excellent president some day. Maybe Hillary/Obama would be a good ticket choice.

obama
FYI - he never attended a midrasha. This was later corrected.
Obama 08...nm

Obama et. al.

If we get Obama or any of the other candidates we will get more of the same. War and taxes. Empire building. If you like that kind of stuff, vote for any of the candidates EXCEPT.......... RON PAUL. The only candidate for peace, limited government and minding our own business.


 


Obama
As I posted on the other board, it is crazy that in one breath people are freaking out saying he is a Muslim, and in the next one, they are freaking out because of his stand on abortion. Being pro-choice really does not go with being a Muslim.

I like Obama, and I like his stance on choice. I really could care less if he is a Muslim. But, he belongs to a Christian church and has for over 20 years, before he had a political career.

People never cease to amaze me!
Obama
My husband just returned from Iraq, we support the war-- but if I had to vote democrat, definitely Obama, please!! But I vote republican, hee hee.
Go Obama!
What a great victory for Obama!

Did anyone see the Kennedy’s endorsement for Obama and his speech this morning? I have never been more excited and inspired in politics. In my life I’ve voted both sides (usually not voting for a candidate but rather voting for the other side as a vote against a candidate). I usually tune out in politics because of outright lies. Barack is the first candidate that I finally understand what he stands for, what his plans are, and he is someone who can connect with everyone in every walk of life. He is a trustworthy, inspiring, and humble person and his voting record and other aspects of his government life give me the confidence that he would be a great president. Listening to his speeches gives me hope for a better country/future for everyone.

I respect everyone’s choice for who they think would be a better president, but I’m sick to death of Clinton and what she stands for. All you have to do is read up on the history of her and what she did when she resided in Oakland California (who her mentors/ colleagues were and what her motives/plans are). She claims to have all this “experience” but doesn’t have it. She takes what her husband accomplished and if it was something good she claims credit to it and if it was bad she had nothing to do with it. Meanwhile her husband is so consumed/greedy (not sure which word best suits him – maybe consumed with greed) to get back into the white house that he is purposely destroying the opponents (even Ted Kennedy had to call and admonish him), but that is the Clinton legacy, destroying other people’s lives. Then when someone does call him on something he will point his finger at them in a threatening way and plays the victim role. It makes me ill just thinking of having someone as corrupt as both of them back in the white house.

If Bill was such a great president they should bring up all the great things that happened under his presidency, but we are not hearing any of it, why? Because there is none. In my opinion he was one of the worst presidents in history. Not one thing he did was for the good of the country. And if anyone believes that she was such a “good wife” while he was out messing around with other women think again. She had her mind set on being president a long time ago. She just uses him to get what she wants. Everything she does has always been calculated.

As for his presidency, I think people are forgetting….he lied under oath and he was impeached for it. Which brings me to another question…why does anyone believe anything he has to say now? Remember the phrase “that all depends on what the meaning of is, is”. Then there was Waco Texas – people were burned alive. But they called them members of a cult, so I guess that made it okay. Then let’s see…Somalia, Bosnia, Monica (and no it wasn’t just about having an affair with her or all the other women), receiving illegal contributions, Vince Foster, and the list goes on and on and on.

An article I just read said it better than I can….

“The problem for Hillary Clinton is that, as usual, she wants it both ways. She wants to be judged on her own merits and not be treated as Bill's Mini-Me. But she also wants to reap the benefits of Bill's popularity, and offers voters the reassuring suggestion that if there's a crisis while she's in the White House, there will be someone around who really does have executive branch experience - namely, Bill - to lend a hand. But the Clintons are playing a dangerous game. The more they remind us of what we liked about Act I of the Bill and Hillary Show, the more they also remind us of what we hated.

If you are interested in reading the whole article this is the link…

http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/op_ed/hc-brooks0128.artjan28,0,7018385.story



Obama
He would be better than the one that has been there for 8 years.  No matter who is elected, it will take a long time to fix what Bush as screwed up!
<3 Obama too!!
:)
Obama
If she keeps lying from today until November she might actually catch up with Obama!
Go Obama

Haven't seen any posts here for awhile.  Very excited about the outcome of tonight's election.  I am so glad to see that people are not buying the "gimmicks" Hillary proposed.  Gas tax holiday?...give me a break!  Someone needed to ask her, "So what happens when the holiday is over", you charge back up the gas price! 


The big joke is that Bill Clinton raised the gas tax in his first year in office.  It was included in a package of tax increases that amounted to the biggest tax increase in history.  It was raised by 4.3 cents.  Not only did he raise the gas tax, but he wanted to raise it even higher.


So you should all get this straight...Hillary is "claiming" she would give drivers 3 whole months (wow - imagine that) 18 cent a gallon cut after her husband forced drivers to pay an extra 5 cents for 15 years.


Unfortunately there were some people who bought into her pandering (which by the way is another word for lying), but thank goodness enough people with an education and most important most of the with common sense could see right through her lies.


Way to go North Carolina - I'm so pleased.  And Indiana too.  It was a close race thank goodness.


Now she needs to step down.  Why?  Because its the right thing to do.  Do the numbers.  There is no way she can win and anyone who believes so needs to wake up.  What we need is for her to support Barack Obama (that is if she's telling the truth about the most important thing is nominating a democrat for president).  Somehow though I do not believe she has the best interest of the party or the american people in mind.  Her goal is to serve herself.  She needs to graciously bow out and put all her efforts into getting a democrat in the office.


P.S. - Note to the "ditto heads".  Maybe we should rename Limbaugh followers "dumbo heads".  Not only did your little plan fail Mr. Limbo, but it failed badly.  In a poll taken (and yes I know polls can be misleading), but not only did the republicans change parties to vote for a democrat but the majority of them voted for Obama.  Then on top of that over 75% of republicans that voted as democrats said that Obama could be McCain (or as I am hearing him being referred to as McBush), but only around 25% said they believed Hillary could win.  So not only does Hillary need to do the math, so does Mr. Limbo.


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Is Barack Hussein Obama the Antichrist?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=94d_1202965504
I am for Obama because...
My point in fact is agreeing with the republicans in that Obama does not have a lot of experience - I think not having a lot of experience is a good thing because it means he is not "hand-in-hand" with all the people that have been in charge for so long - he can form his own opinions, make his own decisions, and not go with somebody just because they did this or that for somebody or they contributed this or that to somebody...
No, Obama gets it better than many do
Check out this award-winning article written by Fareed Zakaria, a foreign policy expert, right after 9/11 called "Why They Hate Us" - http://www.fareedzakaria.com/ARTICLES/newsweek/101501_why.html

Most people at that time (myself included) said that question was irrelavant, but understanding why they some have those attitudes helps us understand better what the U.S. can do to help change it. The fringe extremists will never go away, but their support by the general Muslim community as a whole will diminish (and already is). Free markets and capitalism would go a long way toward this goal and I think Obama gets that.
obama wants to be GOD
He wants to change the structure of the U.S. and he wants to bargain with and change the structure of Europe..  He is a destroyer.
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Muslims are dedicated to destroying the US from within. Obama is Muslim.
Obama..........
I think the pictures speak for themselves....although there will be plenty of Obama lovers who will sing his praises and find excuse after excuse why the flat is no longer on the plane. He could have just as easily left the flag and put his little slogan on there with it, but chose to remove the flag altogether. Speaks volumes!!!!

Obama is Muslim, will always be Muslim, and it is very disturbing to me that anyone would want a Muslim president. No Muslims have ever spoken out about 9/11 which also speaks volumes!! He has learned his Muslim faith from a young child, and the little boys are taught to hate the US and anyone who isn't them...he is no different. There are too may who sing his praises but refuse to state the obvious. Just because they hate republicans sure doesn't mean you put the fox in charge of the hen house. At no time during his speeches have I ever heard him speak of his love for the United States. He just repeats over and over where he came from, who raised him, and what their faiths were, and folks better open their ears and listen up.

No candidate for President of this country would so boldy make a point of getting rid of the very thing that is such a strong symbol of this country. Try doing that in another country and you will be hauled off to jail....the end!!

And, I don't want to hear about this is a free country and he can do what he wants. The whole point of this "free" country is to support the US and our beliefs, not Muslim beliefs which are definitely that of hate. A lot of feathers will be ruffled with this comment, but I really don't care to sugar coat the facts just because some hate republicans or other parties to the point they will accept anything in the white house....a wolf in sheep's clothing, and there will be MANY because of their hatred for the other candidate, who will be sucked into his beliefs as well.
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You know, there is not a nickel's worth of difference between any of them.  They all have ghosts in their closets.  They just hope we do not find out about them.  Bush Sr. had a girlfriend while he was in service.  Eisenhower did, LBJ was a womanizer.  Jimmy Carter is a good human, still working for Habitat and the poor people.  Bush Jr. used cocaine while he was at Camp David about 10 years or so ago.  Not that long ago.  Let's not forget John Edwards.  Like I said there are no clean cut guys or ladies.  We do not know that much about OBama yet.  I have my doubts about him.  He came out of nowhere, too strong and the younger population fell for whatever he has said.  
EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT HER CAN BE SAID ABOUT OBAMA!
I can see your problem with McCain but every bash you make about her is the same about Obama. No experience for either of them, at least she's got EXECUTIVE experience. Tell me, what kind of foreign policy knowledge does Obama have again? Oh wait, that's why he chose Biden as his running mate. No matter what you people say, I believe it was a good choice, because she represents something new and exciting, just like Obama himself!
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It is interesting that she would use his whole name..kind of makes you wonder..I noticed that she does NOT use the whole names of the other candidates but several times I have seen  postings on this board..so what if he has a middle name that is Arabic..
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He's just a talking head, somebody's puppet, aint nothing without his teleprompter and written speeches...gimme a break!


Right, Obama has run nothing!
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