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I didn't see a source for this article. Also, it says a lot about you

Posted By: .... on 2005-10-04
In Reply to: Reasons Why Chavez Is Up For Noble Peace Prize - gt

that you would root for Chavez over Colin Powell.  Chavez is losing popularity in his own government.  His socialist promises are becoming more and more difficult to see to fruition, just as always happens.  In the end, the entire countries go bankrupt and no one wins. Just as in history.  









Chavez Popularity Sags in Venezuelan Polls


21 September 2005
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Hugo Chavez gestures during U.N. press conference, Thursday
For the first time in nearly two years, public opinion polls in Venezuela are showing backing for President Hugo Chavez dipping below 50 percent.   But the country's opposition is splintered, disorganized and disengaged.  With presidential elections slated for next year, it remains to be seen whether the populist, self-proclaimed socialist leader will face a real test at the ballot box.


President Chavez' political fortunes have swung wildly in recent years.  In 2002, he was briefly removed from power in a failed coup.  Months later, his approval rating sank to 30 percent during a national strike.


But he came roaring back to crush a recall referendum last year, with official tallies showing nearly 60 percent voting to keep him in office.  As recently as May of this year, his approval rating stood at 70 percent, buoyed by soaring oil revenues and massive expenditures on social programs.


But a poll released earlier this month showed backing for Mr. Chavez at 47 percent.  One opposition leader who is contemplating a presidential bid next year, Caracas newspaper publisher Teodoro Petkoff, says a gap is emerging between the public's expectations and Mr. Chavez' ability to meet them, regardless of how much oil money flows into the country.


Increasingly, demands are being heard from his own political base, demands for results, he said.  This is an indication that too many promises have not been kept.  And while Chavez' message remains popular, satisfaction with his programs is waning.


But Alfredo Keller, who heads the Caracas firm that conducted the survey, says one should not read too much into the recent data showing Chavez-backers slipping below the 50-percent mark.


One could therefore conclude that the opposition is now in the majority, said Mr. Keller.  That is not necessarily so, because those who do not back the government do not necessarily back the political opposition.  Venezuela is divided into three blocks: those who support the government, those who oppose it and those who want nothing to do with the government or the opposition.


On the streets of Caracas, retiree Eva Maldonado says she believes in President Chavez and his promises to help the poor.  But even she says she would like to see a viable opposition in the country.


I think there should be an opposition, because I believe in the democratic process, she said.  I do not believe in single-party rule, but unfortunately the opposition here is weak.


The high point of the opposition's influence came in late 2002, when it launched a national strike that ground the country to a halt for several months.  Yet President Chavez refused to give in to opposition demands that he resign, and the strike eventually crumbled.  After a year of legal battles, the opposition did manage to secure a recall referendum in 2004. 


But political science professor Ricardo Sucre Heredia, who teaches at Venezuela's Central University, says the opposition had no message other than to continue railing against the president.


Why did the opposition lose the referendum?  Because it was incapable of telling people what its program would be, he explained.  People said, 'I will stick with President Chavez because at least I know what he will do.'  People will not support an opposition that does not convey confidence, security, or an idea where the country should be taken.


President Chavez' allies control the legislature, the judiciary, and many local governments.  Professor Sucre Heredia says such a concentration of power can only lead to abuses.


The country is facing the terrible possibility of [Chavez' political] hegemony, of an authoritarian democracy, of the elimination of liberty, of copying the Cuban model - in short, the terrible possibility of a government that does whatever it wants, as it is doing right now, he added.


But President Chavez recently dismissed such concerns in an appearance on state-run television, noting that he was democratically elected nearly seven years ago, that his continued governance was confirmed in 2004, and that the people will have their say once again in presidential elections next year.


Our proposal is a democracy that is not only representative, but also participatory.  And a democracy that advances fundamental human rights, said Mr. Chavez.


As for next year's elections, no one is counting out the opposition.  But even among observers who would like to see a change in government, many wonder whether the opposition will be able to field a candidate with the stature and the resources to forge a campaign that truly challenges the incumbent.





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Consider the source of the article...
Russian professor came up with this "idea". Russian economists are shoveling out this crap, so there you have it. They of course would love to see nothing but a U.S. divided..... they have lived with division for so long, they have nothing but envy for the United States, a country that is ONE union, not several broken countries fighting and waring with one another over power.


I was talking about the article you posted with no source. sm
And my point was if you believe everything that is written, well...never mind.  Rush likes to gets libs going and it looks like it worked for you.  I like him.  MY opinion is that he not what you say he is, so we will have to just agree to disagree. 
consider the source of this article...read with caution...sm
not to mention a handful of salt....

liberal columnist at her best
Check the source for Observer's Murtha article....

It is from a right-wing pro-war blog called "Politico."  If you read a more non-partisan source you'll find that Murtha added a very large caveat to his comment.


Observer's "facts" would be so much more credible if she would quit posting from right-wing partisan sources.  If I were to repeatedly or constantly post on the Conservative board what I thought was the "truth" and all backed up by far left-wing blogs/publications I don't think I'd get very far and after I while I'd probably try to provide more non-partisan sources for my statements if I wanted to be viewed as the least bit credible.   


There is no source. It didn't happen except
It's so convenient that it supposedly actually happened but is not getting any coverage on the news. I am so sure. In this current political environment, the media is all over each and every single such incident and is playing favorites no no candidate. Problem Nanaw is having is that McC happened to be the one this past week to be making all the "bad news". Obama's audiences do not behave that way. The only way that could be true is if the McC campaign planted someone there for that express purpose. They are so desperate, it would not surprise me in the least.
There ya go - just another example you didn't actually read the article
If you read the article you would know the article talked about where Obama stands on issues.

Plain and simple truth. But guess that is kind of hard for some to understand.


I read that entire article and I still didn't see where it said sm

U.S. military was protecting the Hezbollah supporters. Am I really missing it?


Obviously you didn't read the whole article. Figures....sm
That's why I usually use non-Fox links, so the demmies will "try" to read with open mind....lol....or maybe not.....whatever.....ciao
I didn't say I believed it, just posted an article
I wouldn't be too quick to put words in someones mouth just for the sake of mocking them. I never said I believed it. I know it happened in Nazi Germany (holocaust). I only posted the article because when I started searching on welfare, government takeovers, and other topics, that topic kept popping up.

Do I believe it could happen. Not really. Just thought it was interesting. So,...all I said I believed was the plan to put the country on welfare. If you want to mock me for something at least mock me for what I said.
um tara, she didn't write the article (piglet)...sm
what is up with you?  Take your nasty pill today?  As a newbie to this particular board (liberals) - I'm offended to read your waste-of-bandwidth attacks/reactions.  Hope the rest of the year 2008 is better for you than the first couple of days appear to be. 
Then you didn't read the article on the conservative board. nuff said.

Each brown place in the link takes you to a different article that supports this article...nm
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So does someone's comment at the end of the article, discredit the whole article??
Unbelievable. 
What is the source for this?
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source?
What is your source for this info? As in, how do you know this is true - did you see it, hear or, what? I really want to know. Where can it be verified or disproved?
There never will be a source on this
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Consider the source.
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Consider The Source

Sam, this is the same group of people who thought that what Bill did with all those women was okay, or simply a "private" matter.


So nobody in this bunch has ever had a pg teenager?  And if any one of these women here would just throw (that's Demspeak for kill) away a DS baby? It's simply a continuation of what they do is okay and what those nasty conservatives do is just criminal! 


Wow, that's just classy. 


Source: About.com
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And your source for this is? nm
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Source please. nm
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No source? Of course not.
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what i the source for this??
I have never seen this before. Where does it come from?
And your source is?....nm
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One source............sm

is the NYT, but you can Google the quote and find it in several articles and blogs.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/26/international/americas/26canada.html


And what source exactly would it take
to satisfy you as being reliable?
SM, you have to consider the source,
this is the network that is fair and balanced, only if you are a democrat. These folks have an Obamachip embedded in their brain. Besides, this is a way to get let the guys and gals on here who are so enamored by their high priest a chance to get their minds off the fact that he could even come close to screwing up something or changing a campaign promise. Don't worry about double standards, they don't apply to Obama.
And your source is????? nm
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And your source is???? (nm)
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Well, consider the source............
The majority of those voting for Obama pay NO taxes, never paid a tax in their life, and rarely if ever held down a job...........

So why in the world do they see tax as a bad thing..... they've never paid a tax and will continue to NOT pay taxes and think Obama will just take care of all their needs. This is why they think "rich" is a bad word; they have no ambition, no drive, and never will, so for those that do, they must be punished for succeeding!!??

The lazy and ignorant are running this country through votes they really have no right having.......... IMHO
And your source is????????????? NM
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And this is a source of pride? nm

The source of your post

I'm not sure why you cut and paste far-right-wing-biased sources as the "truth" in your posts on a liberal forum.  In your above post you copied an article from frontpagemag.com and for those who know little about it:


FrontPage Magazine's main focus is on issues pertaining to foreign policy, war, and Islamist terrorism. It regularly condemns official enemies of the U.S. and is a strong proponent of the war on terror, the Iraq War, and Israel's military actions.[citation needed] It has also published articles condemning what it perceives as left-wing organizations and causes, such as the Democratic party, the media, the environmental movement, affirmative action, reparations for slavery, left-wing interpretations of feminism, Islamism, socialism, communism, anarchism, anti-war groups, the United Nations, and other matters.[


consider the source. MM is the sicko....
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no source listed for this

chart.  No footnotes.  No data to support numbers.  Not enough information to verify veracity - disregarded. 


also, moderators have instructed us more than once NOT to copy other websites into posts.  Must use links.  Please abide by the rules.


 


Now there's a reputable source--NOT

Huffington Post?  Daily Kos (Kooks)?  Moveon?  Media Matters?


This isn't surprising, just disturbing.


Where is your source? You should not spread
nm
Please cite source........
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WIKI?? THAT is your source?? lol
edited, changed, and added to by ANYONE, right? You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself as an MT to cite Wikipedia as your authority for ANYthing. I don't even necessarily like SP but you're making the case to side with her if that's how Barack's followers think/act.
We are still waiting for that source
nm
You're only source is obviously your TV set
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Once source we can look forward to where
the war chest. It's time to stop rebuilding Iraq and enricing their surplus coffers, get out of dodge, bring our troops back home and start rebuilding our own country. I would look for that from Obama sooner rather than later and certainly he is not on that 100-year time line of McCain's. The Iraqis gets their country back and get to govern themselves, we get our troops back, the direction of the tax dollars gets reversed and we stop one of the unspoken, yet most significant economic hemorrhages of W's administration.

We then turn our attention toward reversing the power and economic stranglehold the corporations hold over us by instituting taxpayer-friendly policies that put corporate welfare behind the welfare of our citizens. We build an economy from the ground up instead of the top down. Sound familiar? We've done it before and we can do it again. Once we do that, W's legacy of fear and division will takes its rightful place in annals of history and seem like just another bad dream we all had.


Well sure, look at the source of her income or
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This is a laughable source of
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Not exactly an unbiased source!
Charles Krauthammer isn't someone whose judgment I would trust. He's been 100% pro-war policy all the way. Not surprising at all that he'd opt for McCain. What we really see is a lot of former Bush policy supporters abandoning that destructive policy and endorsing Obama instead. Can anyone cite an instance of a well-known real Democrat opting for McCain over Obama? I've been keeping my eye out (fair is fair), but have yet to see one endorsement of that type.
reliable source for this please. nm
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Not a reliable source - sm
The Huffington post is not a reliable source. It's radical left-wing propaganda. It's even less credible than MSNBC.
The source is not the issue
the voting record is.
I just did and cited my source.....sm
so what are you speaking of?




Not a credible source

Can you point me to somewhere on Obama website that gets anywhere close to what this guy is talking about?  The youtube was made by some obscure person, NOT showing the alleged speaker at any time.  I have found no credible source for "barracks and uniforms" anywhere.


Personally I would support an addition to school curriculums that required community service as part of social studies. A local 4-H club leader called me the other day and asked if I could help her find community service opportunities for her 22 kids.  I could and I did.  I think before this economic mess is done we'll all help each other or we won't survive.  There are a lot of opportunities for input on the Obama website.  Time might be better spent flooding that site with your thoughts and concerns rather than posting here.  I can promise you that I'm doing my part to flood the suggestion boxs, are you?


I worry more about the Clintons continued involvement in the government....like Ole Bill's "Foundation."  .


According to you nothing is a credible source
and other liberal outlets who go ga-ga for the O while they sip the kool-aid.

Luckily there are plenty of other sources and articles about this. If you don't like an article that's one thing.

You should have said "I don't agree with what Obama said in the video. I don't believe he is saying it himself. I don't think he's a credible source because it goes against everything he's been telling us".

Get off the credible source issue. This argument has become a lame excuse therefore is laughable when we read that.