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I have never personally used that phrase myself. sm

Posted By: Brunson on 2006-12-22
In Reply to: Nothing but the sound of crickets.... - Teddy

But then, I am sure someone will expend a huge amount of energy to prove me wrong.  


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he used a phrase - the same phrase that McCain used several times against Hillary - nm
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She took it personally because she was attacked personally. Plain and simple.

Where did you get your debating skills?  On the south side of Chicago in some street gang?  Because if you did, it shows.


In a REAL debate, there is no room or tolerance for personal attacks.  Yet, that's all you people know how to do.  You can't stay on the issue.  You MUST attack the poster personally, claiming to know not only what they think and feel but also claiming to know what every liberal ever thought or did, what they're thinking and doing right now and what they will be thinking and doing for the next 1,000 years.  In fact, you seem to know everything about anything that ever existed on the planet, exists now or will exist into infinity. 


As I (and others) have said repeatedly and you just can't seem to grasp, if you constantly treat people badly, they're not going to want to associate with you.  Lurker was very gracious in her posts to all of you on your board, but even she, in the end, couldn't tolerate your continued, nonstop, personal attacks any more (as she indicated in her responses to the attackers).  If you ever stop knowing it all and become interested in the proper way of debating someone, you could learn a lot from Lurker.  You see, having *thick skin* is only important if you're a thug in a gang somewhere.  It's irrelevant when it comes to treating humans like humans, and in that area, you have a lot to learn. 


As for me, I like to learn from intelligent, friendly people with different political views, so I visit boards where those kinds of people are found.  Not all conservatives are angry, rude, come out swinging and need to personally attack 1,000% of the time.  Some of them are actually quite nice and informative, and they can be found on other forums.  Too bad they can't be found on MTStars.


Have a pleasant evening.


key phrase

" as far as I am concerned. . . "  Remember Britney Spears and Paris Hilton everybody!!!!


 


You like that phrase it seems. He WAS on vacation. sm
I don't know where you have been but he has been making speeches about the Hurricaine all weekend before it even hit and pledged support, etc.  So obviously, he may have been officially on vacation, but he wasn't in any way.  Do you watch TV.  He's been all over it.  Get over your own bad self.
I'm thinking of a phrase...
oh yeah - "When pigs fly."
The second amendment phrase that

gun control supporters always fall back on is ''well regulated militia''.  But the militia back then was considered to be all able-bodied males capable of fighting.  Also, having had such recent experience with the tyranny of an out-of-control government, our founders wiisely built the right to possess and bear arms into our constitution to make sure our new government did not become too big for its britches. 


I believe it was in Justice Scalia's opinion on the Heller case (or maybe in his questioning of the pro-gun-control attorney)  that I read something to the effect that in revolutionary war times firearms were necessary to procure food and also to protect ourselves and families from hostile attacks, bears, wolves, and other predators.  Nowadays most of us don't have to fight off wild animals anymore; the predators have become.....us.


One phrase cracked me up in your post - sm
"whether you believe in God or not as a liberal" - What? If someone is liberal, they don't believe in GOD?...
I may not believe in the same God as you (or the same concept of God is probably a better way to put it), but I don't believe liberals are any more "godless" than anyone else. I know this is off topic and I don't mean to create a stir by posting it, but it seems so "typically conservative" to make assumptions such as this.
Just google the phrase, JTBB.......sm
There's lots there.

Nothing personal, but I don't feel like being derided by anyone today for my opinions.

In fact, I'm thinking of taking a break from this board, as I doubt I would really be missed, anyway.


Salisbury is the one who first coined this phrase,.
So he probably knows what he is talking about, at least from that liberal viewpoint you are so quick to deride. Michael Savage has a different, more conservative interpretation. Good for him. Now that we have established the fact there are at least two opposing views on the same concept, the logical next step would be to respectfully discuss the pros and cons of each and get beyond the tacit dismissal.
Using the phrase "drinking Kool-Aid"
On November 18, 1978, 909 inhabitants of Jonestown, 276 of them children, died of apparent cyanide poisoning, mostly in and around a pavilion. This resulted in the greatest single loss of American civilian life in a non-natural disaster until the September 11, 2001 attacks. Jones and several members argued that the group should commit "revolutionary suicide" by drinking cyanide-laced grape flavored Flavor Aid (often misidentified as Kool-Aid) along with a sedative.

Out of respect for the nearly 1000 innocent Christians who tragically died in Jonestown, I would like to ask the posters of this forum to find another phrase to use other than "drinking Kool-Aid" to describe a person's political beliefs. It is insulting and disrespectful to the memory of those that died in Jonestown to use this expression so flippantly.

JMHO
Well, at least you have a new catch phrase. Don't wear it out now, ya hear? nm

McCain did say this in the primaries several times - same phrase exactly - nm
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Okie dokie. I am just reminded of the old phrase...
be careful what you ask for. But I do have a question...Obama has said forcefully that if he ends Iraq the war will go on in Afghanistan...so you are still going to have a war. Where the war is makes the difference? We are still going to be spending billions. The fact that it will be in Afghanistan and not Iraq makes the difference?

We are getting ready to spend billions bailing out the mess that Democrats created. No, Republicans have actually been bringing this mess up, screaming warnings about it, and the only thing this Democratic congress has done was pass a housing bill this time that further encouraged giving out those bad loans. Republicans were against it, but the Dems have the majority. Soooo...here we are. I do blame one Republican, George Bush, for signing it. He should have vetoed it.

How you can ignore something that huge and trust the fox to run the chicken house...I will be the first to say...I certainly do not understand it. But your vote is YOURS, and you should use it however you wish to.
A phrase rings in my ears too...Can't see the forest...
for the trees. And they can't.
The operative phrase "due to no fault of their own"
and then there's the millions of others that are just LAZY

I have no problem helping the disabled or even someone that lost their job and has some hard times...

My problem is those that choose not to better themselves BECAUSE of these handouts.

Dont tell me I deserve to work my ASS OFF to pay for these people to live.

I have a huge heart, and I don't make much money even after working hard, and I choose to give it to the charities of my choice, which is the way it should be, not TAKEN from me to give to people that DONT want to better themselves.
You lost me at Dems coined the phrase

If you didn't realize that the expression voodoo economics wasn't coined by Dems, then it makes me wonder how many other things you just don't realize this administration, the previous administration, or politics in general. 


The phrase voodoo economics was coined by George H.W. Bush in a debate with Ronald Reagan.  The phrase trickle-down economics is not a good thing, as you might have it sound.  It's a derogatory phrase that was first used by Republicans as a criticism regarding a dam project John F. Kennedy had planned.  He actually was the one who initiated this theory that when the GDP grows, the incomes of all American's will grow.  He coined the phrase "a rising tide lifts all boats" when referring to this economic theory, and it was the GOP that countered saying it was trickle-down economics. 


If you can't get that right, it makes me wonder how you can judge what is right or wrong with what this administration or the last administration does or has done. 


You always forget the phrase *under oath*, which is what lost him his law license sm
and the respect of the Supreme Court Justices who for the first time in history, did not attend the State of the Union address of a sitting president.  But I guess all that is okay, too.
We were, you changed it to Bush hatred, another bin Coulter phrase.nm
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That "my friends" phrase, so oft-repeated, made him

Nobody called SP a pig. Phrase means JM can call change "change,"
You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. JM can call change "change," but he is still 4 more years of W. SP is the one who is running on the lipstick platform. That's why her supporters are trying to accuse O of calling her a pig.
This what I'm personally going to do

In every place I go where the pledge is recited ballgames mostly when we got to the words under God it's amplified UNDER GOD!!!  That's what I intend on doing even if it becomes illegal.  I don't care if they outlaw the word God period I'll shout it from the mountaintops.  First of all to glorify my God, and second of all to irritate those who think it's a curse word.


Go ahead sue me...hang me...chop my head off.  The best is yet to come for me anyway. 


I personally think that

the McCain campaing has set Palin up to be the attacker of Obama's character and let McCain talk about what they will do if they are elected. 


As for Palin lying, I do believe that Obama has not been 100% truthful with things brought out about him.  He has changed his story several times on different associations and issues and that makes me not trust him. 


I do find it interesting that a lot of times what an Obama supporter can say about Palin....a McCain supporter can say about Obama.  LOL!  Kind of makes you wonder what the heck all of us are thinking really. 


One thing that holds true for me in the case of Sarah Palin is that she cut spending in her state.  I truly do believe that for the sake our country....we need to cut back on the government pending and this just reinforces my trust in McCain and Palin to do just that.  Obama...on the other hand....I believe will not cut back on spending as he has endorsed more pork in his short term in senate than McCain has his entire career.....and that to me says a lot.  And that has nothing to do with him being a POW and having the scars to prove it.  LOL!


Personally, you hit on one of her best...
attributes. I like the idea of a VP who could lock and load with the Secret Service if need be. Shove those guys out of the way and take care of herself. Hooah! lol.
Well, I personally am a
right-leaning Libertarian who registered Republican last time McCain made an attempt, just so that I could vote for him in that primary.

This time around he has morphed into something so frightening that I'm voting for Obama, & I haven't voted for a Democrat in 30 years.


Well, personally s/m

I could  not care less so long as they don't mess around with the constitution.  I do think, however, that there is much ado about nothing.  As for the alleged tax breaks...when my husband and I married we asked my CPA about tax ramifications.  He said we would be better off to marry.  When we filed our first joint return, the same CPA said he didn't realize how much our income was and that in fact, marrying was the worst thing we could do tax-wise.  So if gays/lesbians want to marry for tax purposes, they had better take a good hard look at where the marriage will put them.


I don't know that there's anything legal/illegal about it but I expect that in the case of serious illness or injury a significant other would not be kept from the bedside. 


My husband and I used an attorney to draw up papers (forget what they are called) that directs everything that could possibly be foreseen and the cost was something like $350.  That would work just as well for gays/lesbians I would think.


We  have a gay couple in our community, also biracial.  They moved here from another state.  Both wear wedding rings, I have no idea what it symbolizes, haven't asked.  One is rather elderly and has relatives here but they accept the significant other and everyone just goes about their business.


Gay/lesbian relations are not new, it goes all the way back to biblical times.  I don't lean in that direction myself so I do not know anything about it, whether it is a choice or people are born with that bend.  I just have a hard time with God saying that it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man as with a woman and then that He would turn around and cause people to be born with this kind of sexual orientation.  That being said, let them do what they will, it is between them and God.  Like religion and politics, they don't need to try to shove it down the throats of the majority who are heterosexual.


I personally don't know anyone......... sm
with voter's remorse right now, but I can guarandangtee you there will be a whole bunch of folks in about 6 months to a year or so who will rue the day they cast their ballot for the O.
perhaps you just don't personally know anyone
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Personally
I think it's all of the above and then some.
I personally feel

that Jesse Jackson is a detriment to the black community.  Surely there has to be someone better to represent and stand up for the black community.  If a white person made the general comments that Jesse Jackson does......the black community would scream racism.  His own son spoke negatively about his father and his comment. 


I personally don't feel that there will ever be equality between the races because people are constantly wanting to point the finger at the other race.  Do I want equality....yes...of course I do.  I have many black friends who are great people that I care about.  But until we stop pointing the finger at the other race, it won't stop.  Prejudice and racism is on both sides.  It isn't just the white folks or the black people.....it is on both sides and until people stop and realize that and learn to forgive and forget and be accepting.......it won't change.


As for Bill Cosby, I loved watching the Bill Cosby Show when I was younger, but the more I learn about Bill......the more I think he is a huge bigot.


Once again, did he personally call you
to say he would quit HIS job and be at home with the kids? Oh wait, I KNOW! The oldest pregnant one can watch ALL of them! Now, There is an idea! Furthermore, yes, you ARE bashing US, by saying we have a 1950's mentality, just because we want to ACTUALLY RAISE our OWN kids, instead of a DAY orphanage! What a concept? Raise your own kids! Dr. Laura people, you all should listen to her...
I personally feel that
neither McCain nor Obama will be able to really pull us out of this horrible economic situation.  They will be able to help or make it worse, but no one president is totally going to pull us out of this horrible situation that we find ourselves in today.  I personally put the blame on everyone....dems and repubs alike.  Our president is currently republican but the congress is controlled by the dems and quite frankly I haven't seen a whole he11 of a lot out of either group to start pulling us out.  We are too busy flinging mud between parties to really focus on what our country needs and that is a shame as well as scary. I hope and pray that people in Washington will get their heads out of their butts and consider the future of our country instead of how much money they can line their pockets with and that goes for both dems and repubs.
I personally feel that this

failure in our government is a failure on both sides.  This isn't strictly dems, although dems control the congress, and this isn't strictly reps even though the pres is a rep.  I think they should all stop pointing fingers as what is done is done and find a solution that will benefit the tax payers and not line the crooks' pockets with money anymore than they already are.


As for McCain....no matter what....at least he had the balls to say....HEY...we have a problem here.  That is more than other politicians have done who benefited from FMFM money.


Of course, I personally don't have a problem with
any of it. I don't look to the debates to help make up my mind, they are for entertainment value to me. I simply was putting out there what I had read. I too agree, the VP debate is going to be the one everyone wants to see.
I personally believe that they are both good men...sm
We are lucky to have two such good men to vote for. That being said, you need to do your own research at reliable places, keep an open mind, and take nothing at face value. In the end, we all vote with, hopefully, our brains/hearts/instincts. The issues are what really matter. Who honestly represents your values and who is going to help the ordinary person, the middle class, the poor, the rich, whatever is your agenda.
What makes you think that I personally don't?

pub or dem, who benefited from this should be the ones financially responsible to repair it.  But that isn't going to happen and I'm sick of hearing about who's responsible for it.  What about the homeowners who applied for these mortgages that they knew they couldn't afford?  I hold them responsible.  What about the banks who gave them the loan, knowing they could never repay it, but didn't care because they were just going to sell it?  I hold them responsible.  What about the CEOs who made millions on their severenace packages when they walked away from these failing companies?  I hold them responsible.  I don't care what party they are affiliated with.  But the fact is, no one person is going to be held accountable.  As a whole, the taxpayers will be made to be responsible.


You talk a good game and some of what you say makes sense.  Unfortunately, you have to read through all the pub/dem cr@p to really get to what you're saying.  Are you going to try to tell me that not 1 single pub had anything to do with any of this?  That it all rests on the individual dems?  Come on -- that's a load of bull and you know it.


And I respect yours. Personally,
if I had to be in a foxhole with someone, it would be McCain no question.  I have a feeling that Obama would look out for himself. 
Personally, I think she meant (Lou
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i personally don't care much for either of them

Madeline Halfbright was Clinton's Sec. of State.  Don't even get me started on her.


No matter what, I give nobody a free pass just by the R behind his/her name.  Look at Olympia Snow & Susan Collins!  Talk about embarrassments!


I personally think that we should drop

everything except for American.  We need to unite and come together and we need to drop the extra titles.  That doesn't mean we should forget where we come from or our heritage.  It just means that when we lose focus on us all being Americans and just Americans....we start to categorize and stereotype and segregate ourselves.


Besides, I really don't want to be call an Indian-German-Scottish-Hungarian-American.  I'm an American and I'm proud of that.


I personally think Palin has now
Joe Biden has been in politics for a very long time.  Palin and McCain in no way answer any question directly.  Palin took a shot at the media through an interview with Brian Williams.  When asked to state the examples of the bashing she feels are wrong, she only gave one, and then didn't want to talk about it anymore.  I have to say that even though you feel Joe or Obama faced with a real problem are under the gate and squealing, you'd better look at the examples of McCain and Palin interviews first.  Pretty much all I hear out of McCain's mouth is "I'm sorry."  JMO, of course.
To Gourdpainter: I want to personally s/m

thank you for your many insightful posts on this board during this whole election process.  Your posts along with sam's posts have very accurately paralleled the glaring differences between these two candidates, yours being ones of depth of knowledge, integrity, tolerance and a true desire for change for the better, whereas, the other one's posts have been largely based on garbage gleaned from questionable websites, blogs and other biased sources that have accomplished nothing other than to incite hatred and intolerance in support of a candidate who has based his whole campaign on filthy lies and evil smear tactics in pathetic attempts to discredit his opponent who has risen above this display of low-down politics.


So, my hat's off to you, Gourdpainter, for setting an exemplary example for all of us to aspire to!!  


Personally, I tried 6 times and still

can't get away from them. Even this tax probably won't help. You name it, I've tried it except Chantix (sp) but I need a doctor to prescribe it and I don't have a doctor yet.


My mom smoked until she was 79. Died 4 months later. DH doesn't care if I don't quit after that because his mother died 6 months after she quit. Doesn't make sense, but it did happen.


I personally feel that this is

the natural cycle of our planet.


It still amazes me how AL Gore can go from place to place on a his private jet telling others we should be concerned about global warming.


How does this affect me personally?

AIG is losing more and more money every day...  we all know that.  My story is that my BF is on Worker's Comp for an injury.  He will never be back to what he was, but is as good as he is going to get until he can have a knee replacement, which they will not because of his young age.  So we are thinking it is time to settle with the insurance company - who is backed by AIG...


They are already offering us a lot less than what we expected because they say they don't have money to give, but what happens if we hold out and then the company goes belly up?  Do we just lose out completely then?


Can WC go belly up?  I mean, is it backed by the government since it is mandated by the government and he will keep getting his benefits if he does not settle or are we looking at maybe losing even his weekly check and medical benefits and so we need to take what we can get while we can?


I personally don't find either
of them particularly attractive but I would say Michelle is more attractive.
I personally don't agree with this.

I think gay marriage is wrong.  I would not mind a civil union so much but to me....marriage is a sacred thing between a man and woman.  It is bad enough that marriage between some men and women isn't taken as seriously as it used to be and that alone saddens me. 


I truthfully am sick and tired of having homosexuality shoved down my throat everyday.  These protests that are more riot like than actual protests, gay people knocking a cross out of an older woman's hand while she was civilly showing her point of view and was attacked for it.  The public displays in church of kissing and dancing around.  The spray painting of buildings and churches.  It is just ridiculous.  Acting like immature and childish brats does not warrant you the right to get married.  I think I might have more compassion for them if they did not act like they have since voters voted against gay marriage in California. 


I have some gay friends who are even ashamed by the stupidity of other gay people who act in such a manner. 


This is just something that I will never condone nor be happy with.  I do not hate homosexuals nor am I a homophobe.......this is just a lifestyle that I cannot approve of.  We are all entitled to our opinions on this subject....so please no bashing of me just because I was honest about my view points.  Whether or not you agree with me....fine.  We will just have to agree to disagree.


Personally....I'm tried of hearing it from
both sides.  I'm tired of the name calling from both sides.  This debate is getting nowhere and yet some of you people just cannot let it go and just agree to disagree.  There will never be a middle ground found on this discussion.  So let's just drop it and stop all the vicious attacks.
I personally feel that

Specter has been there for too long anyway.  The man has been there since 1980.  Time for some new blood. 


I agree with you and what you said about the crats.  I personally feel that libs on here give the crats too much credit just like the pubs on here give them too much credit.  If either side really gave a rip about the American people, neither party would have voted for all this spending under Bush and Obama. 


As for the pubs, yes they keep saying no but it is because their constituents are saying no or did you not pay attention to the tea parties and the fact that thousands of people showed up to tell government to stop spending our money.  The pubs are trying to rebound by doing what their constituents want even though they didn't mind spending under Bush.


Both parties are full of double standards, temper tantrums, and whining.  When the pubs are in control...the crats do nothing but whine and stomp their feet and vice versa.  You can always tell when people on here are for one particular party because the thing they complain about is something their own party does but they never admit it.  Wise up, people!!! 


How many politicians are out there that you truly believe care about you and me?  All I see is a bunch of people bickering over party lines and making promises to get elected and then spending their whole term trying to pay back the people who donated to their campaign to get them elected by being their puppet.  That is what Washington has become and for those of you who refuse to see that both parties are involved....well....that is just sad.


I personally feel that

neither those memos nor those pictures should be released.  Look at the turmoil it has caused since the memos alone were released.  You got half of the story without all the information being released.  You have Pelosi lying through her teeth trying to save her own skin while pointing the blame at the CIA and Bush's administration while claiming she knew nothing.  It is just unnecessary turmoil right now especially since we still have troops in Iraq, Afghan....and God only knows when we will have to go to Pakistan to get the nukes away from the terrorists.  This just isn't the time to be going after our own people.  Fighting amongst ourselves only makes the true enemy stronger. 


I personally feel that those pictures will put our troops in more danger than they already are.  It will give extremist groups more ammo to recruit more people to their cause. 


And no matter what you feel about waterboarding....be it torture or extreme interrogation......terrorists do much worse to the people they capture.


Our objective right now is to win the war and keep America safe. 


So JBB, you know these people personally?
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I personally do not feel that

he got second place just because he is gay.  If the voters were so anti-gay....he wouldn't have made it that far in the first place.  I think it is unfair to suggest that he lost because he is gay....just like I think it is unfair for someone to not enjoy his music merely because of his sexual preference.