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I know I'm learning real fast here

Posted By: me on 2008-09-11
In Reply to: You should know by know how hateful - some leftists are -stay positive :) nm

I keep seeing posts about how awful the republicans are, blah, blah, blah. Then comes the lies and false statement without any facts. But the minute you put something out there about Obama with a link and reliable sources you get jumped on and called evil. I'll tell ya, makes me think Hitler is still alive and visits this board. HA HA. I've seen the attacks on Sam before so I guess I should have realized this. Guess it just shocked me.


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learning curve

We (the royal we) are still learning to post according to your requirements of what is important to post about.  Please be patient.


 


Learning to adapt...
I am now in school to earn an accounting degree and I am most definitely taking the Speaking Spanish In Business class as an elective because it is here people - like it or not. You are all going to have to wake up and see where our future is heading and prepare for it - what is the problem with learning another language anyway? I don't say make their language "THE" language - but we have to live together and we might as well be able to work together!
Learning a second language.

You raised some important points on which I would like to comment.  If you are an MT, some of this will already be familiar to you, since we all have gone through the process of acquiring advanced medical language skills.


 


My husband speaks 5 languages (Farsi (L), Armenian, Greek, German (L) and English (L),  and is literate (L) in 3.  We met in 1990 as pen pals, a hobby he had adopted to facilitate acquiring and refining his literacy in English.  From what he tells me and what I learned from this process, there seem to be certain distinct stages of learning and using another language.  


 




  • Formal classes or other types of instruction to learn basic vocabulary, phonetics, entymology, grammar/syntax, reading, writing and comprehension, both written and verbal. 



  • Practice, practice and practice some more.  Use it or lose it.  Typically, beyond the basics, the student will progress through the easiest to the most difficult skills in stages.  The first 4 basics (stage 1), followed by the next 2 (stage 2), then written/reading and verbal comprehension (stage 3). 



  • Verbal comprehension in and of itself is also a 2-stage process.  In that final stage, most often the student will understand the foreign language much more easily (and for a much longer period of time) when it is spoken to them or around them.  The most difficult stage of foreign language usage is the final stage of actually being able to produce coherent conversation with confidence. 

Most of us never really get beyond the classroom/instruction level.  It is a real challenge to find the time and the stage on which the remainder of the process can be played out.  Here are a few ideas on how to overcome that obstacle. 


 


·       Finding venues for Spanish acquisition is pretty easy.  Watch TV in that language.  Start out with children’s programs and advance according to your comfort level.


   


·       Rent movies.  The ones with subtitles are particularly helpful.


 


·       Listen to music and/or radio stations.


 


·       Read books.  Again, start with children’s and work your way up. 


 


·       Put yourself in environments where that language is being used.  Perhaps you could volunteer to tutor an ESL student who speaks your language of interest.  Church services, ethnic restaurants, public events, etc.  Speaking events, such as public political forums, where both languages may be spoken are particularly helpful. 


 


·       Find an on-line language partner.  See below. 


 


·       Make friends with someone who speaks that language. 


 


·       Find a pen pal. 


 


Here are a few resources: 


 



  • ESL Idea Generator.  Great ideas on how to teach English as a second language.  Find access to a language partner and you and your partner could try some of these suggestions.  It is really fun to do…kind of like a game of charades.


http://iteslj.org/Techniques/Houston-TeachingIdeas.html




  • Rosetta Stone Language Exchange Network.  Text and voice chat / language exchange partners

http://www.sharedtalk.com/index.aspx?SRC=GAds.SN.en.Language.Exchange&gclid=CIqy8JrcyZQCFSEragodImWSkw


 



  • TT 4 You On-Line Language Exchange.  Voice chat forum / enhance conversation skills.  Handy translation query text box

http://www.tt4you.com/


 


Most importantly, keep is casual and fun.   


I am learning too but interested in
even-sided with obama and dodd's names all over the place?
"I am learning at the feet of the masters."

As I said, you seem to need to lace your posts with insults.  You've never answered how that comprises good debating technique.  You have only blamed other posters for your own behavior.


You continue to call me Teddy as some sort of taunt I suppose.  And I remember you accusing me of being other folks posting....heck we even invited you to email several of us in order to prove via email that we were different people but you declined to do so.  Apparently the belief that we were all the same person was somehow comforting in a world full of evil liberals!


Be worried about blind loyalty, not learning from history....sm
be worried about people who put party politics before the good of the country and its people, be worried about waging foreign wars we have NO RIGHT to fight (and by the way, what are we winning there, please remind me). And where do all you DOOMSDAY PROPHETS get all your future information, do you channel Nostradamus,have a crystal ball, or what???
As a mom of 3, I think that is absolutely great, the gift of experience, fun adventure, and learning
There are many ways to "gift" a person!  I think they are very wise and caring parents, just from what I observe from the outside.
Not so fast!!!!!!
I understand where you're coming from but really...do you REALLY think now days abortion is just because men want a woman to have one? Women are more permiscuous than ever, starting at younger and younger ages, and THEY don't want a child.

I knew of a woman back in the early 70's when abortion was legal on in a couple of states. She had just started college, found out she was pregnant. The man she said was the father begged her to marry him...he wanted to take responsibility but she didn't want to lose her scholarship. Lose a scholarship....murder a child. What a decision to make!! No, I don't always blame the men because I witnessed a very selfish woman who could have cared less. She came from a family who thought they were on the high social ladder as did she, and she certainly wasn't going to waste her time with a baby!!! She had more important things to do BUT I may add, she certainly didn't waste any time making her rounds with the guys back at college. So, please keep in mind, there really are a lot of women who really do not see it as that important an issue. They too just want to have fun and not deal with the consequences either.
Not so fast....
Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. I can find no credible evidence that she supported them or funded them. She did address their convention, but then Obama addressed the convention for ACORN.

From The New York Times: Alaskan Independence Party officials released a statement Monday saying that Ms. Palin had been a member for two years, from 1994 to 1996, information included in reports in The New York Times and other news outlets. In Internet videos of recent party meetings, other party officials can be seen boasting of Ms. Palin’s past membership.

On Tuesday, though, the party’s chairwoman, Lynette Clark, said the earlier statement was false. Ms. Clark said that she had based it on information another party member had given her, but that a review of the records showed only that Ms. Palin had attended the 1994 conference.

Ms. Clark added that while the review confirmed Todd Palin as a member, it did not indicate that Ms. Palin had been one.

On Wednesday, Ms. Clark released a corrected statement, saying, in part, “I, foolishly, repeated and accepted as fact what an officer of this membership shared with myself, and husband Dexter Clark, over a year ago.”

“I humbly apologize to Governor Palin, and to both national and local press and media,” she added.

Perhaps you did not do enough research?

As to the power and role of the Vice President...what she is talking about IS in the constitution. The Vice President presides over the senate and can be present whenever they are if the VP so wishes. Good for her. SOMEBODY needs to be watching them, I would think this recent financial crisis would tell us that. She is not talking about changing the CONSTITUTION. She is talking about exercising the rights it gives the position. No other VP has been interested in doing so. No reason she...or any VP...shouldn't. Read what the Constitution says about the VP position.
Well....not so fast....
we won't know until election night, I firmly believe that. The polls are closing fast, but I don't put much stock in polls, never have.

Whatever the outcome, if a majority of poor misguided folks vote Obama in...it won't be with my help. Got my yard sign. :-)

Going under fast, aren't they.
Starting to sound a mite peeved:) Look, person - we KNOW some people support this screw-up of a profiteering war. Like you. What don't you get about that? WE KNOW.

Now, tell us YOU KNOW that just as many - to judge by the 300,000 versus the 300, ONE HUNDRED times as many DO NOT support this mess any longer.

Why do you seem to feel that people who agree with you are somehow PROOF that yours is the only way to think? What are you going to do about the REST of those who do not believe what you do? What are you going to do when soldiers are speaking 100,000 to 1 against the war? You better think about it, because it's shaping up that way.
I bet it will drop as fast as it did
x
It's amazing how fast you can backpeddle

You have made some very anti-semetic remarks about the Israeli's, and now you are being called on the carpet about it.  You've documented several times with your supporting remarks of the Muslim protestors in Washington (which I've failed to find any reference to besides your obscure article link) that you think Israel and the U.S. are mean murderous tyrannically-governed countries.  If you are going to take a side take a side, but your attempt to suddenly appear tolerant in the presence of a Jewish person is VERY disingenous, and I for one don't by it for a second.  Pick a side and stick to it.  If you don't support Israel then stand by your assertions.  If you do support Israel then you need to make yourself a little clearer, because all I see you doing is siding with Hezbollah.


don't back down so fast, other facts about him

ok snopes disputed the rumors, some of the rumors but facts are facts and Barack's 1st cousin is this extremist running Kenya and involved in the genocide....google it for yourself.



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Not about how fast Rome was built....
but how fast it FELL.
I can't write too fast anymore, but here's what I did get

1. Fiscal Stimulus Plan: Before or after inauguration (sp). Wants to get it moving quickly, but if he has to wait until January 20, so be it, but states he will try during these couple months to push one through now.


2. Retooling assistance plan for automakers for fuel-effieicnt cars. He realizes that the auto industry employs thousands and other companies depend on the auto industry for their jobs. Wants this package done quickly.


3. Review implementaion of plans and not rewarding management for housing problems that are caused.


4. Grow middle class in the long term.


Reporters asked questions but couldn't get them all.


1. He wants to help the states financially.


2. As to going to other countries for conferences: He is developing a team and weighing all his options. Iran's nuclear weapons are unacceptable along with the militants. This has to cease. It's not something he can do in a knee-jerk fashion and wants to be careful (not to p--s them off).


3. Tax plan: 95% of WORKING Americans will get it. His first goal is tax relief for struggling families and to build the economy from the bottom up.


That's all I could get.


Not so fast Mrs. M.....Democrats started
nm
the problem with responding too fast
...is that you end up leaving out important phrases!

The $72 an hour figure quoted in the article, I should have said, isn't made of *just* the wages and benefits of current employees--it's also including those paid to retired workers, the ones who paid into the retirement fund their whole lives, and are now living off those benefits.

In other words, you take the wages/benefits paid to the current 180,000 or so autoworkers, PLUS those paid to the 400,000 or so retirees and the 120,000 spouses of dead retirees, then divide that by the 180,000 current workers, then say, LOOK HOW MUCH THOSE GUYS GET PAID! It's an incredibly artifically inflated number.

And noooo one in the media ever seems to question it.


No, goofy. Republicans are REAL people, real
nm
If the real folks, with real hope, faith, and
and for our country's future who participate here on this forum were just a tad as healthy, wealthy and wise as this poster considers herself, we probably wouldn't be sitting in front of these silly computers trying to make a living!! Can't figure why she is here other than tell us how healthy, wealthy and wise she is and we are not!
Not so fast. Comparative drug use exercise.
There is a distinction between these two types of cocaine/crack use, as expressed in a medical study entitled "Crack cocaine and cocaine hydrochloride: Are the differences myth or reality?"

http://www.cocaine.org/crack/index.html
"...evidence exists showing a greater abuse liability, greater propensity for dependence, and more severe consequences when cocaine is smoked (cocaine-base) or injected intravenously (cocaine hydrochloride) compared with intranasal use (cocaine hydrochloride)." There is also evidence that crack cocaine use is linked to a higher incidence crime/violent crime than the use of "blow." Next time you set out to assasignate someone's character, remember you will be a whole lot more credible with (a) a little more research, and (b) a little less exaggeration.

Obama did not quantify his use in the book. He only defined the time span as sometime during his high school senior year until he arrived in New York to attend Columbia University, to include his 2 years at Occidental College (1979-1981). This would mean that he experimented with drugs at ages 17, 18 and 19 while in his teens. He decided to stop the drug use on his own accord. He then turned around and wrote about this experience in his first book, "Dreams From My Father," which started out as a commissioned book on race relations that later evolved into an autobiography. He began writing the book in 1990 and it was published in mid 1995, a year before he ran for office. It is worth noting that he was not forced to include this information in the book....he chose to. He disclosed one of his "greatest regrets," (his words) within the context of an honest, sincere, and direct expression of its (drug use) relationship to race relations and biographical information. Political agenda does not seem to be the motivation.

Cindy McCain's addiction ensued at the adult age of 35, nine years into her marriage, as a mother of three children, ages 5, 3 and 1. Her addiction spanned 3 years, about the same as Obama's "experimental" use. However, her disclosure (even to her husband) was not voluntary. John McCain was informed of her addiction during a forced (birth) family intervention, who then at the ripe adult age of 52, proceeded to engineer the "diversion program" cover-up/escape of criminal charges as described in the other post and in the midst of an active DEA investigation and pending criminal trial.

Aside from the drug addiction, involving an AVMT MD in providing her with illegal prescriptions and stealing drugs, it seems that there were a few more fires John McCain sought to extinguish. Seems she had approached a member of AVMT's voluntary medical team, demanding that he commit perjury in adoption proceedings of her Bangladeshi baby daughter and had attempted to "prevent" a former foundation employee from giving accurate information to the DEA during it's investigation. Further allegations were made that Cindy had abused her husband's office and diplomatic privileges by transporting illegal substances overseas. Of course, none of these issues were ever formally aired during court proceedings, since John McCain was able to succeed in "diverting" this embarrassing disaster.

So let's see, she comes clean to her husband under the threat of criminal charges, public humiliation and the tangible possibility of ruining her husband's career and is okay with having other people perjure themselves to gain approval for bringing a 4th child/infant into the mix of the not-so-remote drug addiction. Looks like the money and political clout has served her well in staying out of prison, bypassing adoption standards and abusing her own authority over foundation MDs and employees. Also looks like her disclosure did have elements of political agenda as she sought to save her own behind.

Drug use is drug use. But age, context, duration, type, criminality and injury to other parties are also part of this picture. It is not hard to figure out where Obama's policies come from with regard to medical treatment versus incarceration for first-time users and/or non-violent drug offenses. On the other hand, where John McCain's lock-'em-down and shun-'em drug policies defy logic and fly in the face of how he decided to handle the situation when it was HIS house, HIS wife, HIS job and HIS future on the line.

No offense taken. Rumors spread so fast, especially ...sm
bad rumors intended to scare and manipulate people. I think the excitement of the people at his rallies is because they see him as someone who offers the common people hope. He has never addressed or dwelled on any of the many, many rumors being spread about him. I believe he is an upstanding American citizen, a Christian, who has a lovely wife and family and is nothing like what the right wing of the republican party is painting him to be. Keep praying on it but don't get taken in by people who are not so Christian themselves.
Woohoo...change is coming fast and furious.
President Obama just announced that the pay of top White House employees is being frozen. The Associated Press says it will affect those in positions paying more than $100,000 a year.

"All of you are committed to building a more responsible government," Obama told top staff at a meeting now underway at the White House.

"Families are tightening their belts and so should Washington," Obama added.

The president also announced he's about to sign new ethics rules designed to restrict lobbying by current staff after they leave the administration.
That's why Fox news rating are skyrocketing with MSNBC and CNN are going down fast
Fox News - 1,217,000
CNN - 633,000
MSNBC - 482,000

I was surprised to see that CNN has more viewers than MSNBC. Fox news gives you the news and tells you everything - both sides. The other two don't. They just feed you garbage all day.
To counter the DNC assertion that only McCain plays fast and loose with the truth...

apparently he is not alone.


HMMM...check THIS out...


http://obamalies.net/


YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS ONE....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S5StlCcv84&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4&feature=related


http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented-lie-50-obama-claimed-he-had.html


http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY5CQnOn75c


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKlQSNN2zo&NR=1


 


 


whoops, typing too fast and made errors .. be 4 the spelling police get me
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Get real. sm

Have you heard the new saying....everyone knew Foley was a Republican because he  resigned and said he was sorry. Democrats just never do that.  As far as the New York Times, I would say their past pretty much makes anything they print questionable...can we say Jayson Blair.  Also, the fact that they published articles that put this country at risk is pretty egregious but then that's just me, a stupid old Republican. 


Are you for real
That has got to be the most bigoted thing I ever heard. Who gives a you know what what his middle name is. I guess if you say it enough times some ignorant person is going to believe it...yeah, look at his middle name....can't vote for him. Well what do you think a middle name for a President should be. Sheesh! You know I don't even have any idea what Bush's middle name is or what Bill Clinton's middle name was (oh wait, think it was Jefferson). I don't know what AL Gore's middle name or John Kerry's either. But that's not the point! To me it sounds like you only want someone in there who has a "Christian" name? Please do let me know what a Christian name is. I know...why don't you pick one out and then send that suggestion to the campaign trail.... Man o man...give the guy a break - less we forget...He is half white/ half African American, he is a Christian, goes to a Christian church, swore oath on the Bible, etc, etc. This candidate is the first person in a long time who give people hope. He doesn't have to read speaches from notes, can think on his feet and is a better speaker than the other two weezles, but that discussion is for another board. I did read your post that says your not for or against him, but I'm just highly dissapointed in anyone who thinks this way, and as for your antichrist comment. You should be ashamed of yourself!
LOL for real
x
for real, though
to drive a car for goodness sake
Maybe she was just being real.
What I felt and saw was a woman who loves her husband and family. I think it was very difficult for her to talk about her family to the nation, especially her father. I can relate to that having lost mine four years ago. I still miss him.

I, too, can also talk slang and choose my words and enunciate when needed. I did not take offense to anything she said. She just clearly loves her family and said so.

Yes, there is a lot of negativity in this race, but isn't there always? I have been voting for a long time (I'm 50) and that's just politics. It is a contest.
R U for REAL?!
She literally looked like a "moose" caught in the headlights!? People were smiling because she was so clueless?! I don't know what debate YOU watched.   Obama will be elected, very soon!!!!  Can't wait!!!
This is not the 60s. This is for real and its
going to contine to happen and get worse if we elect Obama.

If you are not repulsed by the video then I just say shame, shame, shame.
a real
This is absolutely a repeat of the great depression, only with modern twists and turns. Everyone should do everything they can do or can think of to prepare.
Is this real?
This is scary as H___. I would like to know if anyone has more info on this. Any "other side" to contradict this? Could be reason to pull it out now and pay the fines rather than just let it be taken away.
It does not get more real than
pausing for a moment to admire any man who has the intestinal fortitude to take on the piles and piles of garbage W has set out on the back stoop, waiting for pick-up. The economy, the wars, an immediate foreign policy crisis, the bail-outs, crumbling infrastructure, health care crisis, eroded constitution and abysmal world standing perceptions. It doesn't get more real than that.
This is my real ID
I always use my real ID that I use here.  I'm not afraid...
Just saw it on CNN too. This is real!
nm
Are you for real?
Dear, do you not realize that the president of the United States is SUPPOSED to be judged by us, the American citizen? That is exactly what we are supposed to do......do you have any idea what your position is in society and what position government is supposed to have? Obviously not or you would know that you have every right being judge and jury of your president, regardless of whom he/she is. Presidents in THIS country are determined by thge people.... Obama may think he is royalty but he isn't; therefore, he has no rights of royalty. He wasn't born into this position......HE WAS ELECTED!!! And in four years, he will be kicked out.... simple as that!
Is he for real?

In speaking about Iran, Obama actually said people should have a "govt that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people.......freedom to live as you choose"  What a hypocrit!  Transparency!!??? This man yapped about transparency of government yet has NEVER done so since being elected! 


Steal from the people?  What the h@ll does he call trillions and trillions of taxpayer dollars that he has stolen from us to give to automakers, banks, ACORN, and now just plain taxing the crap out of us to pay for all of it, not to mention govt healthcare he is trying to force down my throat.....


What world is he living in? 


Let's just keep things real. That is all I am saying. NM

Real mature

Oh yeah, he is a real





John Edwards, Little Man?
August 15, 2004 - Senator John Edwards of North Carolina was added as a folksy candidate to hide the abrupt coldness of John Kerry. John Edwards was also a Southerner, and in a tight election, the Democrats wanted a touch of populism to add to their ticket. On the way to moderation, though, the Kerry campaign settled for a candidate almost as liberal as Kerry himself. Despite the southern drawl and eloquent speaking, Senator Edwards has no clue about average America.

The freshman Senator from North Carolina was considered difficult to contact by many of his constituents. When Hurricane Isabel ravaged North Carolina's coast, Senator Edwards made only a quick trip to his Raleigh office, far from the coast. Most North Carolinians have seen Edwards' lack of compassion for their issues as a sign that he is only concerned about personal advancement. North Carolina has had a shot to know Edwards best, and they like him least. Up for re-election this year, Edwards had terrible approval ratings. Even after his addition to the ticket, North Carolina, referred to as a battleground state by ABC News, had a Bush lead of over 15 points.

Although he is the son of a mill worker, that story has only gotten Edwards so far. The Senator made his fortune as a trial lawyer. Many of his cases dealt with cerebral palsy, a brain condition that impacts many children. Edwards used science which stated that doctors could cause cerebral palsy, and he won millions while suing doctors out of business and helping lead to soaring malpractice insurance costs. Now, the medical community has refuted those claims and many believe that Edwards' cases were not based on science but emotion. Making care from doctors more difficult has not helped the average American.

In the Senate, Edwards has helped his lawsuit-happy trial lawyers and fought against tort reform. This has also hurt average Americans. Tort cases revolving around the asbestos industry have caused severe problems. Already, over 80 businesses have gone bankrupt and 60,000 Americans have lost jobs due to the largely frivolous and expensive lawsuits. Many more are expected to lose as the saga continues. However, Edwards still has not cast a vote for average Americans. Although his Senate website featured some of his gallant addresses on the American economy, Edwards has helped tarnish that economy with frivolous lawsuits.

Most of the little people Edwards claims to represent have never had an immense respect for trial lawyers. That has come with good reason as frivolous lawsuits cause inflation, dramatically increase malpractice insurance, and have cost working Americans jobs. However, Edwards has continued to claim to support the little people. In his presidential campaign, he accused Bush in a letter to MoveOn.org: He honors wealth while I honor the work that creates it. Edwards went on to say: I am running for president because I believe in an America where Main Street has as much value as Wall Street.

Edwards may have little support for Wall Street, because as a tort lawyer, he could have sued many of Wall Street's companies. However, John Edwards' working man image is a fantasy. Despite his southern drawl and charisma, John Edwards was the fourth most liberal Senator last year. As a wealthy liberal, he cared little for cutting taxes for hardworking Americans. Although he claims to want to help the working class, Americans for Tax Reform gave Edwards a 0% rating, and the Citizens Against Government Waste gave John Edwards a 13% rating. Edwards may not protect the Wall Street that has created jobs for the prosperity of millions of Americans, but he does protect his fellow trial lawyers. Besides trial lawyers, Edwards protects his liberal interests.

Despite his play for mainstream support, Edwards' presidential run proved how isolated he was from average America. What he claimed to be a grassroots campaign was a mixture of Hollywood studios, accounting firms, and real estate, but most were wealthy trial lawyers. Of Edwards' largest 25 donors, 22 were trial lawyers. Edwards collected an astonishing 56% of funds from large donors ($2000 or more), more than any other Democratic candidate. That percentage even exceeded the percent of funds President Bush received from large donors.

Doubts have also been cast on the integrity of John Edwards and his donors. As have most liberals, John Edwards promoted his presidential run on MoveOn.org, George Soros' soft-money organization designed to escape campaign-finance reform laws. Average Americans could never give enough to satisfy Edwards' political aspirations, and neither did MoveOn.org. Some of Edwards' wealthy trial lawyer friends could not resist violating laws. One of Edwards' donors, C. Tab Turner of Turner and Associates has been accused of campaign finance violations. According to the Center for Public Integrity, Turner may have used other employees to donate to Edwards' campaign on his behalf. Among the wealthy Hollywood firms, liberal activist groups, and wealthy trial lawyers, John Edwards still claims to understand average Americans.

People have asked before and after the conventions: Who is John Edwards? He would call himself the son of a mill worker who wants to work as vice president in an effort to give a voice to the little people. That was the essence of his speech. However, on convention night, it was what was not said that was so important. Edwards forgot about his millions made as a trial lawyer. While Edwards has spoken virtuously of trial lawyers, he has forgotten that they have also spawned some of the economic problems now facing America. Who is John Edwards? He is not the southern choice. He has no concern for middle America. Even constituents in his own state had difficulty contacting him. John Edwards is a Southern liberal who knows nothing of American values. This is what Democrats call a populist. It is what Americans call a liberal in disguise.

I wish they would be real Christians. Just once.
It's very hard to understand how those who cheer war, torture and the fleecing of the poor think that their values are Jesus-oriented. It is scary to think what they have made of Jesus in their own minds, to believe he is applauding what they do.
No, it started with a real
when they couldn't find anything, they dug up the sex scandal. Clinton was investigated for 7 years; can you name a high-level Clinton administartion official indicted? I know Clinton can't practice law; he was also impeached...what's your point?


LOL. Coulter. Now there's a real gem.

Thanks, Starcat.  Poor souls.  That's all they know how to do.  Swiftboat others.  I suppose everyone has to be good at something.  I don't even remotely expect it to stop, and yes, sure looks like I did hit a nerve, otherwise they wouldn't bother to keep trying to discredit me.  The way I figure it, the more *Swiftboating* that goes on, the closer I came to exposing the truth, so in a way, their *feedback* is very helpful.


The only reason I posted the second post (which I addressed to Liberals) was that I fully realized how bizarre the whole concept sounded.  Who in their right mind could believe something like that could happen here in America, that the lunatic fringe was comprised of so many people?  I guess that's what makes it so darn frightening.


You have a nice day now.  As for me, I'm going to go check the stock prices for Kool-Aid.  Might be time to invest. 


Real story from the MSM?.....sm
Bush controlled, corporate crony owned media telling the truth - not going to happen. That only happens when you have a democratic republic, not a corporate plutocracy. TV news definitely lies, suppresses, and distorts news.
Is Rush for real?

Did anyone hear R. Limbaugh's comments?  I only caught part of it, but it sounded like he was talking about liberals as though we are satan or something.  "You can't let them do this, or you can't let them do that".  All the time saying "them" like it's a dirty word.  Years ago I used to like him.  Now he disgusts me.   Now more than ever do we need a democrat president - just so I can see their faces and hear them whine.....oh wouldn't that be good.


The real facts....(sm)








Q:

Did electing a Democratic Congress in 2006 really lead to increased unemployment, higher gas prices and more home foreclosures?

I received this by e-mail and I’ve also seen it posted as a comment on a lot of blogs and news sites. Is there any truth to it?


You Want Change?

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we're [sic] seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) the cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

A:

No, and most of the figures in a widely-circulated e-mail are made up. In fact, the entire premise of the e-mail is a logical fallacy.

Like most of the chain e-mails making the rounds, this one is inaccurate. Some claims are outright false while others are grossly out of context. Overall, the e-mail commits the logical fallacy known as post hoc ergo propter hoc (or after the fact, therefore because of the fact).

Here's what we found:


  • Consumer confidence has fallen since October 2006, but it was not at a 2 1/2 year high prior to the elections. In fact, consumer confidence varies less with elections than it does with general economic conditions, many of which have little to do with the actions of politicians.


  • Gas prices were not at $2.19 per gallon before the election, but did reach that point nearly a year before the election and again (briefly) two months afterward.


  • The e-mail actually understates the equity drop by $500 billion. In fact, the stock market lost $2.8 trillion in equity from its most recent high point. But the e-mail fails to make clear that the high point happened nearly a full year after the election. It also neglects to mention that the market is higher now than it was in November 2006.


  • There's no clear figure on how much home equity has been lost since 2006 (the two most widely used measures give vastly different sums). But home equity loss and higher foreclosures have more to do with some unsavory lending practices and some bad decisions by homebuyers than they do with congressional activities.


  • The e-mail commits a whole series of post-hoc fallacies. That is, it assumes, without offering any evidence, that because one thing preceded another, the first must have caused the second.
We did find one accurate assertion, though. The unemployment rate really did increase from 4.5 to 5 percent.


The Two-and-a-Half-Year High That Wasn't

Because the e-mail has been around for a while and is undated, we can't say exactly when "a little over one year ago" is supposed to begin. We’ll assume that it means sometime shortly before the 2006 elections. Adding to the confusion is that there are two different surveys of consumer confidence. But we are certain that neither index shows consumer confidence at a two-and-a-half-year high prior to the 2006 mid-term elections. Here are the results from the Conference Board Consumer Confidence Index:


Consumer

As you can see, in the months leading up to the November 2006 election, consumer confidence actually declined. It was not at a two-and-a-half-year high. In fact, it had dropped 4.7 points between April 2006 and October 2006. And April 2006 actually represented a nearly four-year high. Consumer confidence last topped the April 2006 number in May 2002. Consumer confidence then climbed after the 2006 election, peaking in July 2007 before it began to fall off.

The University of Michigan's Index of Consumer Sentiment shows similar results:


Index

Here, too, we see that October 2006 does not represent a two-and-a-half-year high point in consumer confidence; January, February, June and July 2005 all saw higher totals.

Leaving aside the incorrect numbers, the e-mail is misleading to suggest that the November 2006 congressional elections caused a decline in consumer confidence. By that sort of logic, one could also suggest that George W. Bush's election caused the 10 percent decline in consumer confidence recorded by the Conference Board between December 2000 and January 2001, or the 12 percent decline in consumer sentiment that the University of Michigan measured between November 2000 and January 2001. But in fact, those drops had a much greater connection to the bursting of the dot-com bubble than they did to an election. The same is true of the decline in the last half of 2007, which owes far more to generally worsening economic conditions – or at least to the public perception that economic conditions are generally worsening
than it does to an election.


Did You Know That Congress Sets Gas Prices?

Despite what this e-mail implies, Congress little or nothing to do with setting the price of gasoline. Gas prices rise and fall with fluctuations in supply and demand. Prices go up when the supply decreases or the demand increases. Prices fall when supply goes up or demand goes down. There are those who believe that oil companies are manipulating supply, but if so that's the doing of oil-company executives, not Democratic senators or House members, some of whom in fact are calling for yet another investigation of oil-company practices.

U.S. policy can have some effect on global oil markets
wars in major oil-producing nations tend to reduce the oil supply, at least in the short-run but foreign policy is primarily the province of the executive, not the legislative, branch.

What's more, the e-mail includes some carefully cherry-picked figures, as this chart from the Department of Energy shows.


gas_price_graph

The e-mail implies that gas prices were at $2.19 per gallon just prior to the 2006 election. Gas prices did in fact dip as low as $2.19 per gallon, but they did so in January 2007, after the congressional elections. Gas prices also dipped below $2.19 per gallon in November 2005, a full year before the election. The e-mail also fails to mention that prices climbed to more than $3.00 per gallon in August 2006, 
when Republicans controlled both branches of Congress and the White House.

That Pesky Stock Market


The claim that Americans have lost $2.3 trillion in stock and mutual fund equity is not quite right. Economists use the Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 Total Market Index, an index that tracks nearly every U.S. stock, as the best measure of the entire U.S. stock market. On Nov. 7, 2006, (the day before the congressional elections), the Wilshire 5000 closed at 13,871.50. On April 30, 2008, the Index closed at 13,991.10. That represents a gain of about $119.6 billion in equity since the 2006 election.

But that's not to say that it's been a steady gain. On October 11, 2007, the Wilshire 5000 peaked at 15,819, then plunged to 13,037.3 on
March 19, 2008, a loss of $2.8 trillion in equity, or $500 billion more than the e-mail claims. Market gains since March have reduced the number to $1.8 trillion since that low point, which is somewhat lower than the e-mail indicates. There are lots of ways to look at numbers: between the 2006 election and October of 2007, the stock market gained over $1.9 trillion in equity, then lost $2.8 trillion before gaining $954 billion back again. But the fact is that anyone who invested in a reasonably broad-based array of stocks in early November 2006 and held all those stocks until today has seen a modest increase in their value.

Moreover, it is inaccurate to say that all these losses have been experienced “by American households.” It’s true that the percentage of U.S. households owning stock continues to increase. A 2005 joint report from two organizations representing investment companies and security firms estimated that about half of all U.S. households now own stock (mainly through mutual funds). But institutional investors – retirement funds, college and university endowments, investment companies like J.P. Morgan Chase and insurance companies
– control a large portion of stocks. At Microsoft, for example, around 63 percent of the stock – or just under 6 billion shares – is owned by just 2,300 different institutional investors. These institutional investors bear some of the brunt of equity losses, so it’s just wrong to imply, as the e-mail does, that "households" account for all the lost stock market equity.


My Kingdom for a House!

The e-mail is right about the bare facts of the housing crisis. It's true that about 1 percent of American homes were in some stage of foreclosure in 2007, and for the first time since 1945, home equity value fell below 50 percent (that is, Americans' mortgages are more than half the value of their homes).

Whether Americans have actually lost $1.2 trillion in home equity depends on what measure one uses. There are two different indexes used to track home value. Standard & Poor's Case-Schiller Home Price Index measures residential housing prices in 20 metropolitan regions and then constructs a composite index for the entire United States. Freddie Mac's Conventional Mortgage Home Price Index (or CMHPI) measures the value of single family homes that qualify for Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae underwritten mortgages, which, in practical terms, means that the CMHPI excludes any house valued at more than $417,000.

Measured by the Case-Schiller index, the crisis is actually worse than the e-mail says, at least for homes in those 20 regions. Case-Schiller shows a 12 percent decline in home value since November 2006. Standard & Poor's estimated the 2006 value of residential real estate held by individuals and nonprofits to be around $22.4 trillion. A 12 percent decline works out to about $2.7 trillion in lost home equity.

The CMHPI paints a very different picture. Its U.S. index, which is given in quarterly rather than monthly figures, shows a fourth quarter 2006 composite of 294.5 and a fourth quarter 2007 (the last quarter available) of 295.3, or about three-tenths of a percent increase.

The truth lies somewhere in between. As this map of foreclosure rates shows, many of the areas hardest hit by falling home prices are large, high-growth areas
in other words, major metropolitan areas where a lot of homes are priced at more than $417,000:


Map
Source: The Atlantic

Because the Case-Schiller index focuses on some of the metropolitan areas hardest hit, it likely overstates the amount of equity lost. By excluding homes valued at more than $417,000, the CMHPI understates the problem.

In any event, the e-mail is wrong to imply that the crunch is related to congressional elections. Indeed, blame really rests with two entirely different groups: lenders who (in some cases) fudged loan applications for buyers who weren't really qualified for loans, and home buyers who signed mortgages that they couldn't afford. Operating on the assumption that houses would always increase in value, some Americans essentially gambled on their home purchases. They were aided, in many cases, by subprime loans which generally have very low interest rates for a few years, but which later jump higher
sometimes much higher than rates for conventional mortgages. Many people used subprime loans to buy houses that they could afford (barely) for the first few years with the thought that they could always sell the house for a handsome profit just before the higher interest rates (and hence higher payments) kicked in.

Unfortunately, house prices didn't continue to rise. In fact, the frenzy to purchase houses resulted in unrealistically high prices
much like the stock market bubble in the late 1990s. And so, like that stock market bubble, when investors stepped back for a moment, they realized that they were overpaying. Since houses (like everything else) are worth only what someone is willing to pay for them, when new home buyers paused, housing prices leveled out and then began to decline, falling 8.9 percent in 2007. Many homeowners thus found themselves with the double whammy of a house that was worth less money than they owed and an increased payment that they could not afford.


Latin Alert

The e-mail is a classic example of the logical fallacy post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Post hoc fallacies assert that A caused B because B happened after A without offering any evidence that A and B are causally related. It's one of the most common fallacies, and not just in the political arena, either. They're very easy to construct: Just pick two things you don't like and attribute the second one to the first. It's that sort of thinking that might lead a sports fan to believe that his team wins only when he wears his "lucky" cap turned backward.

A simple rule of thumb is to treat any sort of "we did this and some really bad thing happened" argument with extreme skepticism. Causal arguments work only if there is an actual connection between the two events. A good argument can't just assume a connection; it has to show that one really exists. In case you want to delve further into this subject, we'd suggest you visit our sister site for educators and students, FactCheckED.org, and take a look at the lesson plan "Monty Python and the Quest for the Perfect Fallacy."

When you see this sort of claim presented without any evidence at all, you probably ought to just assume it's false. And if that claim happens to arrive in the form of a chain e-mail? Then we hope you'll take our advice and give your delete key some exercise.

- Joe Miller

Sources

Block, Sandra. "Home Equity Falls Below 50% for First Time on Record." 7 March 2008. USA Today. 18 March 2008.

Christie, Les. "Foreclosures up 75% in 2007." 29 January 2008. CNN Money. 18 March 2008.

FactSet Research Systems. "Microsoft Corp: Institutional Holders." 7 April 2008. Reuters.com. 7 April 2008.

Freddie Mac. "CMPHI Data: Census Division and National Series (1Q1970 - 4Q2007). December 2007. Freddie Mac. 7 April 2008.

"Historical Prices for Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 TOT: 7 November 2006 - 4 April 2008." 7 April 2008. Yahoo Finance. 7 April 2008.


Leonhardt, David. "Can’t Grasp Credit Crisis? Join the Club." 19 March 2008. The New York Times. 19 March 2008.

Manning, Jeff. "Chase Mortgage Memo Pushes 'Cheats & Tricks'." 27 March 2008. The Oregonian. 4 April 2008.

Nutting, Rex. "Home prices post first yearly drop in 16 years." 26 February 2008. Market Watch. 18 March 2008.

Reuters/University of Michigan. "Index of Consumer Sentiment: January 2000 - September 2007." 7 April 2008. Surveys of Consumers. 7 April 2008.

Standard and Poor's. "Case-Schiller Home Price History." January 2008. Standard and Poor's. 7 April 2008.

TNS. "Conference Board Consumer Confidence Index." 16 March 2008. Polling Report: Economic Outlook. 18 March 2008.

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Unemployment rate, seasonally adjusted. 1998 - 2008, 18 March 2008.

Wilshire Associates. "Dow Jones Wilshire Broad Market Indexes." 7 April 2008. Wilshire Associates. 7 April 2008.

Yglesias, Matthew. "There Goes the Neighborhood." January 2008. The Atlantic. 7 April 2008.

 

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