I personally feel that our beliefs

of right vs wrong come from our own personal upbringing.  I was raised in a very strict family.  My mom attended church every Sunday and took us three kids with her.  Dad smoked and swore and refused to go to church on Sunday because he didn't want to be a hypocrit because he wasn't going to give up his cigarettes, etc.  My dad believed in God, but he just didn't want to be one of the people in the pews on Sunday talking about how great of a Christian he was when he knew he was going to walk outside and light up a cigarette. 

My husband is an atheist.  He believes in evolution and says that he doesn't need a higher power or supreme being to tell him what is right and what is wrong.  However, he has no problem with his two boys going to church because he feels the morals that are taught at church are good for the boys.  If they believe in God, he has no problem with that.  If they decided not to, he has no problem with that.  I don't push religion on my husband and he doesn't push his beliefs or lack thereof on me either and we've been happily married for 8 years now with two wonder boys and another baby on the way.

I feel that rules do change with time.  We no longer stone people who commit adultry.  We don't cut hands off of people who steal.  We don't kick people out of our communities for being "unclean" even though there are a few I'd like to kick out.  LOL!  I don't see anyone sacrificing virgins or children either.

I feel that right and wrong should be based upon what is best for the majority of people and not small minority groups.  We are never going to do everything that makes everyone happy, but we have to do what is best for a majority of people. 

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        • I've said a million times - sbMT
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that Jesse Jackson is a detriment to the black community.  Surely there has to be someone better to represent and stand up for the black community.  If a white person made the general comments that Jesse Jackson does......the black community would scream racism.  His own son spoke negatively about his father and his comment. 

I personally don't feel that there will ever be equality between the races because people are constantly wanting to point the finger at the other race.  Do I want equality....yes...of course I do.  I have many black friends who are great people that I care about.  But until we stop pointing the finger at the other race, it won't stop.  Prejudice and racism is on both sides.  It isn't just the white folks or the black people.....it is on both sides and until people stop and realize that and learn to forgive and forget and be accepting.......it won't change.

As for Bill Cosby, I loved watching the Bill Cosby Show when I was younger, but the more I learn about Bill......the more I think he is a huge bigot.

failure in our government is a failure on both sides.  This isn't strictly dems, although dems control the congress, and this isn't strictly reps even though the pres is a rep.  I think they should all stop pointing fingers as what is done is done and find a solution that will benefit the tax payers and not line the crooks' pockets with money anymore than they already are.

As for McCain....no matter what....at least he had the balls to say....HEY...we have a problem here.  That is more than other politicians have done who benefited from FMFM money.

the natural cycle of our planet.

It still amazes me how AL Gore can go from place to place on a his private jet telling others we should be concerned about global warming.

Specter has been there for too long anyway.  The man has been there since 1980.  Time for some new blood. 

I agree with you and what you said about the crats.  I personally feel that libs on here give the crats too much credit just like the pubs on here give them too much credit.  If either side really gave a rip about the American people, neither party would have voted for all this spending under Bush and Obama. 

As for the pubs, yes they keep saying no but it is because their constituents are saying no or did you not pay attention to the tea parties and the fact that thousands of people showed up to tell government to stop spending our money.  The pubs are trying to rebound by doing what their constituents want even though they didn't mind spending under Bush.

Both parties are full of double standards, temper tantrums, and whining.  When the pubs are in control...the crats do nothing but whine and stomp their feet and vice versa.  You can always tell when people on here are for one particular party because the thing they complain about is something their own party does but they never admit it.  Wise up, people!!! 

How many politicians are out there that you truly believe care about you and me?  All I see is a bunch of people bickering over party lines and making promises to get elected and then spending their whole term trying to pay back the people who donated to their campaign to get them elected by being their puppet.  That is what Washington has become and for those of you who refuse to see that both parties are involved....well....that is just sad.

neither those memos nor those pictures should be released.  Look at the turmoil it has caused since the memos alone were released.  You got half of the story without all the information being released.  You have Pelosi lying through her teeth trying to save her own skin while pointing the blame at the CIA and Bush's administration while claiming she knew nothing.  It is just unnecessary turmoil right now especially since we still have troops in Iraq, Afghan....and God only knows when we will have to go to Pakistan to get the nukes away from the terrorists.  This just isn't the time to be going after our own people.  Fighting amongst ourselves only makes the true enemy stronger. 

I personally feel that those pictures will put our troops in more danger than they already are.  It will give extremist groups more ammo to recruit more people to their cause. 

And no matter what you feel about waterboarding....be it torture or extreme interrogation......terrorists do much worse to the people they capture.

Our objective right now is to win the war and keep America safe. 

he got second place just because he is gay.  If the voters were so anti-gay....he wouldn't have made it that far in the first place.  I think it is unfair to suggest that he lost because he is gay....just like I think it is unfair for someone to not enjoy his music merely because of his sexual preference. 

some more research on what government controlled healthcare would do to privately owned insurance companies.  You need to look at the whole picture and not just the BS the democratic party dishes out to you that you so willingly take and believe without batting an eyelash.  Insurance companies will go under, more people will lose jobs.  If everyone has healthcare, more people will go to the doctor for sniffles and colds.  It will make the healthcare costs go up and Obama wants healthcare costs to go down.  The only way to do that is to limit the care that people can have.  Government will also have to cap what doctors and nurses can make and therefore we will have fewer and fewer people entering the medical field.  If care is limited because of costs, we might as well forget about research for new treatments because even if they have a new treatment, government healthcare won't approve of you to have it.  More people will be given death sentences instead of treatment in the attempt to cut healthcare costs.  Waiting periods will be longer because there will be more people wanting healthcare and less doctors and nurses to provide said healthcare.  You need to stop and think about this.  You are so blind on this subject it really is baffling.  Someone who preaches about research and so far all you have given on this subject is the same rhetoric Obama spews out which is nothing but total BS!

Our country is broke.  China pretty much owns us.  More and more people are losing jobs.  In my state the unemployment went up into the double digits again.  We cannot afford this healthcare plan and even if we could....it is a horrible idea and definitely something that shouldn't be rushed to pass because once we do this....you can't take it back. 

And another thing....the only way to pay for this is to tax us more and yet Obama promised not to raise any kind of taxes of 95% of American people.  Why are you letting him get by with that.  If a pub had made that sort of promise and renigged on it....like Bush Senior did........you all would be on him like flies on stink.  Why the double standards here?

warming is a load of hooey.  I think this is the natural cycle of our planet.

However, I agree that we should be looking into other energy sources so we can rely on other things rather than oil....which will eventually not be there.  In saying that, I do not agree with cap and trade.  I understand the need to research alternative fuel sources, but we shouldn't be taxing the crap out of oil to get it done.  This is going to hurt everyone and with the economy stinking like it does now......this is going to hit a lot of people hard.  Utility bills will skyrocket.  People won't be able to afford to heat their homes.  They won't be able to afford the gas to drive to work.  All goods and services will go up.

BTW, the next time AL Gore's fat ars jumps on his private plane to go somewhere and preach about global warming, I think people should throw stuff at him.  You've got Pelosi using military planes to haul her butt around, but OMG....stop global warming.  Either there is major hypocrisy going on here or they don't really believe it either. 

Still though....it wouldn't hurt us to clean up our act a bit regardless of whether or not global warming is real or just a load of cow dung.

Where did you get your debating skills?  On the south side of Chicago in some street gang?  Because if you did, it shows.

In a REAL debate, there is no room or tolerance for personal attacks.  Yet, that's all you people know how to do.  You can't stay on the issue.  You MUST attack the poster personally, claiming to know not only what they think and feel but also claiming to know what every liberal ever thought or did, what they're thinking and doing right now and what they will be thinking and doing for the next 1,000 years.  In fact, you seem to know everything about anything that ever existed on the planet, exists now or will exist into infinity. 

As I (and others) have said repeatedly and you just can't seem to grasp, if you constantly treat people badly, they're not going to want to associate with you.  Lurker was very gracious in her posts to all of you on your board, but even she, in the end, couldn't tolerate your continued, nonstop, personal attacks any more (as she indicated in her responses to the attackers).  If you ever stop knowing it all and become interested in the proper way of debating someone, you could learn a lot from Lurker.  You see, having *thick skin* is only important if you're a thug in a gang somewhere.  It's irrelevant when it comes to treating humans like humans, and in that area, you have a lot to learn. 

As for me, I like to learn from intelligent, friendly people with different political views, so I visit boards where those kinds of people are found.  Not all conservatives are angry, rude, come out swinging and need to personally attack 1,000% of the time.  Some of them are actually quite nice and informative, and they can be found on other forums.  Too bad they can't be found on MTStars.

Have a pleasant evening.

The Lord's Prayer:
...Thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven....

This is a Christian prayer, for those of you who are unfamiliar.  There is nothing radical about what she is saying.  She is a faithful Christian woman. 

I might be missing something here but I can't find posts by Kfir discussing her Jewish faith.  It was all about the war.  It was about the state of Israel not about the Jewish religion.  Isn't that 2 different things?

In every place I go where the pledge is recited ballgames mostly when we got to the words under God it's amplified UNDER GOD!!!  That's what I intend on doing even if it becomes illegal.  I don't care if they outlaw the word God period I'll shout it from the mountaintops.  First of all to glorify my God, and second of all to irritate those who think it's a curse word.

Go ahead sue me...hang me...chop my head off.  The best is yet to come for me anyway. 

the McCain campaing has set Palin up to be the attacker of Obama's character and let McCain talk about what they will do if they are elected. 

As for Palin lying, I do believe that Obama has not been 100% truthful with things brought out about him.  He has changed his story several times on different associations and issues and that makes me not trust him. 

I do find it interesting that a lot of times what an Obama supporter can say about Palin....a McCain supporter can say about Obama.  LOL!  Kind of makes you wonder what the heck all of us are thinking really. 

One thing that holds true for me in the case of Sarah Palin is that she cut spending in her state.  I truly do believe that for the sake our country....we need to cut back on the government pending and this just reinforces my trust in McCain and Palin to do just that.  Obama...on the other hand....I believe will not cut back on spending as he has endorsed more pork in his short term in senate than McCain has his entire career.....and that to me says a lot.  And that has nothing to do with him being a POW and having the scars to prove it.  LOL!

I could  not care less so long as they don't mess around with the constitution.  I do think, however, that there is much ado about nothing.  As for the alleged tax breaks...when my husband and I married we asked my CPA about tax ramifications.  He said we would be better off to marry.  When we filed our first joint return, the same CPA said he didn't realize how much our income was and that in fact, marrying was the worst thing we could do tax-wise.  So if gays/lesbians want to marry for tax purposes, they had better take a good hard look at where the marriage will put them.

I don't know that there's anything legal/illegal about it but I expect that in the case of serious illness or injury a significant other would not be kept from the bedside. 

My husband and I used an attorney to draw up papers (forget what they are called) that directs everything that could possibly be foreseen and the cost was something like $350.  That would work just as well for gays/lesbians I would think.

We  have a gay couple in our community, also biracial.  They moved here from another state.  Both wear wedding rings, I have no idea what it symbolizes, haven't asked.  One is rather elderly and has relatives here but they accept the significant other and everyone just goes about their business.

Gay/lesbian relations are not new, it goes all the way back to biblical times.  I don't lean in that direction myself so I do not know anything about it, whether it is a choice or people are born with that bend.  I just have a hard time with God saying that it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man as with a woman and then that He would turn around and cause people to be born with this kind of sexual orientation.  That being said, let them do what they will, it is between them and God.  Like religion and politics, they don't need to try to shove it down the throats of the majority who are heterosexual.