I realize that; however, I did not expect it to pass....
Posted By: sam on 2008-11-05
In Reply to: I actually don't find it to be a surprise at all... - Kendra
because amending the constitution is different than voting for a law you know will be overturned. Just out of curiousity...I am not sure what I posted about the US Supreme Court will have any validity...can they challenge a state constitutional amendment?
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Would expect Obama to take high road. To expect this
One of many issues of valid concern is the fact that Palin would accept this nomination knowing full well (or maybe not) that when the broadcast media get done with this, Bristol's entire life for at least the next 5 years or so, will be red meat for publications like the Enquirer. Judgement. Priorities? The cat's out of the bag now, and I say that with no joy whatsover. In fact, across party lines, left or right, anybody with red blood coursing through beating hearts would stop and for one single moment experience the pain that poor girl must be feeling. Despite this, her mother has put her in the position to put a smiley face on no matter what, or go under the witness protection program, change her name and leave the country. Fair game? Of course not. National spotlight. You bet, and there is no turning back now.
No one is asking for anyone to get a pass...sm
There is enough blame to go around, both dems and repubs, greed and dishonesty knows no party. The guilty should be held accountable, but that is not the immediate concern. Turning this around is so we all don't go down the tubes.
I believe it will come to pass....sm
The name for the NAU currency has already been chosen....the Amero.
In addition to the EU and the NAU, there is also the Africa Union which was formed in 2002 and the soon-to-be Asian Union. These unions will eventually form into a one-world government with NATO as its governing body. There will be a single currency as well.
I agree....sometimes I wish I were still blissfully ignorant of all the goings on in the world today, but then I would not be aware of what to watch for and how it would affect me and my family.
Or if none of that comes to pass,
hopefully you will come to realize that the repub fearmongers have been playing on you fears and you bought into it wholeheartedly.
This, too, will come to pass............ sm
but it won't be the religion that you are probably thinking it will be. Better be careful what you wish for.
I don't expect anything
You don't have to believe anything, and you don't have to sit down and shut up, but please do not spin people of faith as weirdos and engage tongue-in-cheek about their beliefs. Again, you don't have to believe, but you don't have to belittle either.
I can't tell you how to act I can only request.
Well, what would you expect them to say?
Do you really want them to attract attention to ijits out there who would make good on the threat? Sometimes the "truth" isn't just exactly the best thing to circulate. I heard the yell myself and there was absolutely no doubt in my mind whatsoever what was said. It reminded me that there are too many nut jobs running around loose out there and all of this Barrack HUSSAIN Obama stuff is just fueling the fire. I hope all of you who are badmouthing him without any documentation whatsoever will be happy if the unthinkable actually happens knowing you had a part in riling up the nuts.
He's about what one would expect
for someone who was at the bottom of his class and ran everything he came in contact with into the ground. Typical spoiled rich brat completely sans brains.
I would certainly expect him to do that
FOR SURE. I would expect anyone, especially someone proclaiming to be a Christian, to deny this fact emphatically.
I expect s/m
they won't turn their attention to anything until and if they can get another Republican in the White House. I've been gone all day and really hoped by now the RABID republicans would have given it up. Looks like they could give him a little more than 24 hours to see what he's going to do. I hope ALL Republicans aren't like some of you people on this board.
I expect more but I know he won't
give me enough to pay off my mortgage or feed my family for 4 years, so I'll just hope for the gas money and the flat screen TV.
What do you expect
M-snot-NBC and Wall Street Journal. C'mon big bad, you should know better.
Those two "rags"(rags referring to gossip/smear tabloids) are so hateful to anyone not liberal, and gleefully aimed to destroy her from the beginning.
I take nothing they have to say with any ounce of truth.
Really, now tell me, what does anyone expect out of Fox except
as much garbage as they can get out. They have done it all election. Totally against Obama. I would faint out cold if they said anything good about either 1 of them. They are called "faux news" by the way. I think she looks terrible, small waist, great choice of a dress for her. CNN is calling her sexy and saying no one has had this since Jacqueline Kennedy. Imagine!! Go back and watch "faux" - I learned long time ago just, as my husband said, negativity there.
Well.....I would expect you to know about gas....
that being said, I guess you missed the part about I am not a Republican? What is more important? Fixing the economy or pig poop? Think the pig poop could wait a year? I do. Talk about your ridiculous statements. Here awhile back the EPA deemed, after millions upon millions, that cows belched too much gas into the atmosphere too. Yep, we know that now. Also deemed there was nothing we could do about it. So millions later, cows still belch and pigs will still poop...GET THE PICTURE? lol You folks kill me!!
I don't expect you to get it! sm
Obama is gonna get us in a bigger war while he sits on HIS BUTT spending money he doesn't have, appearing on talk shows trying to be some kind of "hollywood celebrity president". While he is acting like some kind of "god", terrorist countries are sitting there lauging at us and plotting how they can attack now. I am wasting my time even typing this I know because HIS supporters are not gonna listen and they will be screaming and crying when it all hits the fan!
What do you really expect him to say?
He can't given away any plans that we might have in getting the hostage back because we wouldn't want that information getting to the pirates. All he can really say at this point is that we will do everything we can to get the captain back safely. It probably is a good thing he isn't commenting on this.
Exactly. It was a KID. What do you expect
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Did you expect the
Saudi King to give Obama an iPod with show tunes or DVDs that won't work in our DVD players? LOL!
And why would we thank him when it took 217 votes for this to pass?
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I will pass your senitments on to those...
I know who are serving. It will come as no surprise to them. At least you admit that you could care less if it hurts them or not...or worsens their plight or makes their jobs harder...which it does. I will tell them you are of the opinion they just need to pray the protesting works in their favor (and if you think a premature withdrawal, or cut and run, is in their favor that just proves you do not know the majority of the military and how they think), and they just need to suck it up and continue to fight and die to protect your right to tell them to suck it up and just keep on serving, if the war is something they believe strongly in. For you to say that the war is something they believe strongly in also proves that you know nothing about them. They are there because their country sent them there and they believe in the mission. George Bush alone did not send them, no matter how much global amnesia the Democrats want to try to have now. They believe in honor and duty. They believe in something bigger than themselves...they believe there are still things worth dying for...like your right to blythely from your warm safe home to tell them to suck it up, pray the protesting works for them and not against them, because it is more important for you to protest than it is for them to be safer. The least you could have done was a little thank you to go with the suck it up, though.
I know what they will say...they will say *you're welcome...anyway.*
Just a final thought...just WHO do you think cheers when they hear Americans in the street protesting? The ENEMY. Do you remember the scenes of Arabs taking to the streets in celebration when 9-11 happened? They watch us. Protesting in a public way is fodder for them to recruit. Read an article today saying they are using You Tube videos for recruitment. I bet several of the leading Democratic Pres contenders are stars. But if giving Al Qaeda little moral boosts is what floats the protestors' boats, by all means...grab the sign and head for the corner.
and I too had to pass on this info
http://share.triangle.com/node/13576
The questions remain :
What is Barack Husein Obama - a Senator from Illinois - doing when he is interacting with a violent rebel, muslim leader in Kenya who may have been responsible for the murder of dozens of innocent people burned to death simply because they took refuge in a church?
What is Barack Husein Obama doing when he interferes in the internal operations of a foreign nation like Kenya?
Are you going to let a well organized and well financed representative of a foreign government push his way any further into your national government?
How many more people have to die before Americans come to understand that Barack Husein Obama is not a product of the land of Lincoln?
Born in Hawaii he spent most of his life in the violent and backward nation of Indonesia – where not too long ago the Australians had to stop the Muslims from killing all the Christians in East Timor.
When will this blood soaked travesty of our national political system come to an end? When will the mocking smirk of our enemies be wiped from our television screens?
Change they want? With the gun? With the torch?
pass the doobie
It helps with appetite and is an analgesic. Stay home and smoke it. No harm done.
I'm sure something WILL pass -- eventually. -sm
It's just that this bill wasn't quite ready yet, and those voting on it today knew that.
Remember the old TV commercial where the kid asks, 'Is it soup, yet?" And for the bailout, the answer is still 'No, it's not soup yet.'
It'll pass just like it did in the 60s. n/m
He wouldn't pass the
security clearance for the secret service either for that matter. Would he even pass the clearance to be a local police officer?
If you agree with this pass it on. s/m
I'm sending it to my Senator and Congressman too as well as to Obama.
I was sent a newspaper clipping via e-mail, with a list of changes that, according to the actual author, most American people would very much like to see in our Government.
The actual author is Norma White of Amarillo. She is a retired network engineer for Southwestern Bell. I do not know which newspaper it came from, but after reading it, I would vote for her if she ever ran for Congress. I wanted to share them with you all.
The article's title is:
You Want Change? Try These Ideas.
1. Limit Congress from serving more than two terms. That is all that presidents are allowed.
2. Stop Congress from voting for their own raises. How did that ever get started?
3. Stop paying for lawmakers' high-priced insurance premiums. After all, they are only part-time employees. They might pass some law changes on the insurance companies, if they actually had to find one!
4. Stop paying lawmakers, or the president, their full salary after serving just one term, or when they leave office. We need to get rid of that pension plan; they've let other companies get rid of theirs. You were lucky to get 40 to 50 percent of your salary after working somewhere for 35 years, but they get 100 percent.
5. Make Congress pay into the Social Security system. They make laws for it. If they spent some of their own money, then they might be interested in making it solvent.
6. Stop handing out aid to illegal aliens. If we did, then Medicaid and the food stamp program would have enough money to aid the aged and the poor.
7. Secure our borders.
8. Stop allowing babies born to illegal aliens in the United States automatic U.S. citizenship.
9. Stop the abuse of our benevolent welfare system. We feed children free meals three times a day until they are 17. Churches give away good, clean clothes. Companies buy and donate school supplies. Emergency rooms provide health care at taxpayer expense and the food stamp program is buying food at home. What are parents doing for their children?
10. Have a computer program that cross checks Social Security numbers with finger prints to stop fraud on many fronts. Use it on voter registration too.
11. Stop bailing out mortgage companies and banks that give loans to people who cannot afford them.
12. Stop companies from paying CEOs and other executives outrageous salaries and bonuses while doing away with workers' pensions.
13. Stop all unnecessary spending so we will have the money for our nation's security, and to help needy and elderly Americans.
14. Stop permitting anyone to have a photo with their face covered on driver's licenses.
Unfortunately, no matter who won the presidency, they will not be able to make any of these changes.
Only members of Congress can do that, as they are the lawmakers.
I seriously doubt Congress is interested in changing anything, do you?
Pass the crow, please.......sm
After our rather heated debate tonight, I went off in search of answers to the questions of Obama's qualifications to be POTUS, and here is what I found.
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
US Code Title 8,1401 states the following as a qualification of a natural-born US citizen. (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html). This is the only qualification that Obama actually passes to qualify to be POTUS, but one is all that is needed as all the qualifications listed are exclusive of each other.
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
Since this does not specify a particular time frame in which the US citizen parent must live in the US prior to the birth of the child, it must be assumed that any one-year residency would satisfy the requirement.
Somehow crow for Thanksgiving dinner just isn't quite what I had in mind. Please make sure it is well done with lots of BBQ sauce. 
Most of the time I pass over it, but it is getting very old
There could be a bunch of names I call the other side - Clinton News Network, MS No News here, etc (cant think of a proper acronym for the NBC in MSNBC right now cos it's late), but I'm just getting sick of the name calling. You don't like the news then don't watch the channel, but until you point out fault with the liberal stations then its time to lay off the others.
Most of the time I pass over it, but it is getting very old
Thanks - just is irritating hearing the name calling all the time, especially from people (not just the OP but others) who find no fault whatsoever with Olbermann, Matthews, Maddow and all the other liberal gab boxes (they are not even news casters, they only spew their opinion). There could be a bunch of names I call the other side - Clinton News Network, MS No News here, etc (cant think of a proper acronym for the NBC in MSNBC right now cos it's late), but I'm just getting sick of the name calling. You don't like the news then don't watch the channel, but until you point out fault with the liberal stations then its time to lay off the others.
I'll pass on that one, thanks!
This was meant to be a joke right?
Right...please pass the ganja this way...
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Hey, I gave you a pass on
'most of the people there was'. Or was that intentional?
We don't usually rag on hurried typo errors because we have no spell check on this forum. But not bothering to look up a spelling or making a rookie grammatical error are both noteworthy.
Well, he was a Democrat. What would you expect?
Johnson didn't have a haves, have-more, elite base like Bush bragged about having. He just cared about normal everyday people. How I miss those days. 
I certainly didn't expect
I remember when I believed that about my country...innocent until proven guilty....alas, if only it were true! Have you ever heard of Japanese interment camps during WWII? Today, it's Guantanamo; talk to McCain about the ban of torture.
As for your poll numbers, I have some too:
http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Stories.aspx?America%20turns%20on%20Bush%20as%20all%20the%20president%E2%80%99s%20staff%20face%20integrity%20test&StoryID=E6B6DD59-E863-47B6-B714-3B8B037609F7&SectionID=BA48E3D7-CCB9-4976-883F-EE19F9206FB3America turns on Bush as all the president’s staff face integrity test
By : Jonathan Kennedy in Boston October 30, 2005
LESS than a year after George Bush’s re-election, the much vaunted “political capital” he was supposed to have won last November has all been spent, if not squandered.
For a president who came to office with great ambitions to change the US, he has little to show for his first five years in office, apart from a foreign policy that is in chaos, a massive and wasteful increase in public spending and a few modest tax cuts. Already crippled by allegations of corruption and nepotism, seemingly interminable bloodshed in Iraq, and a woefully uninspired response to Hurricane Katrina, President Bush was delivered two more hammer blows last week.
Harriet Miers, formerly Bush’s personal lawyer and chief of staff for policy, was forced on Thursday to withdraw her name from consideration for the Supreme Court nomination after massive opposition from the president’s core conservative base. Miers was attacked from both sides of the aisle for her lack of experience in constitutional law and her uncomfortably close personal relationship with the president. Ultimately, however, the failure of her bid can be attributed to a lack of support from America’s conservative movement, who were looking for a candidate with a more transparently strong voting record on conservative issues, especially on abortion. But Friday’s grand jury indictment of
I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby and a continuing investigation into Karl Rove, Bush’s top political adviser, could prove to be the straw that breaks the back of the Bush administration and relegates it to lame duck status. Libby, Vice-President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, and Rove are under scrutiny for their alleged role in the outing of CIA officer Valerie Plame, a move that detractors believe was a politically motivated smear tactic. Rove, among other Bush administration officials, is implicated in what has become a spectacularly intricate alleged conspiracy against Plame’s husband, retired ambassador Joseph C. Wilson. Plame’s cover was allegedly broken in retaliation for her husband’s vocal opposition to the Iraq war. Although this sounds esoteric, it is seen to be a serious matter in Washington.
Of particular interest will be Libby’s role in the affair. The prominent administration insider was implicated when New York Times reporter Judith Miller revealed Libby as a source after spending nearly three months in jail for her initial refusal to betray his confidence. Libby’s indictment for perjury and his close connection with Cheney, and thus Bush, is raising questions that most Republicans don’t want to answer with mid-term elections looming next November.
According to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released on Tuesday, nine out of 10 Americans believe that Bush officials did something illegal or unethical; bad news for an administration that campaigned on the promise to “restore integrity” to the Oval Office. The incident is under an independent investigation led by US attorney and acting special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, a registered independent who cut his teeth prosecuting mob bosses in New York. The ex-attorney for Northern Illinois is considered by most in Washington as non-partisan, if not overzealous in his strict interpretation of the law.
The consensus among legal experts and insiders on Capitol Hill is that the president himself is safe from any legal repercussions. But he will not come out unscathed. The political ramifications stand to be far more damaging, not only for the president, but for his party. In another CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll, it was revealed that were an election held immediately between President Bush and any Democrat, the unnamed democratic contender would win in a 55% to 39% landslide. The same poll revealed that the Democrats are ahead on almost all the issues for the first time in recent memory. This includes health care (59% to 30%), social security (56% to 33%) the economy (50% to 38%), and the Iraq war (46% to 40%). The only issue on which the American public still trusts President Bush’s party is terrorism, the Republicans still enjoying a sizeable 53% to 29% lead.
With American deaths in Iraq above the psychologically important 2,000 mark, an erosion in support from his base, the press smelling blood over the Plame Affair, and his domestic agenda in tatters, last week was undoubtedly President Bush’s worst since entering public life.
What else would one expect from a classless hag?
What do you expect from a liar?
He's been caught lying through his teeth so what else is there to do but lie? He seems to get by with that easily......
http://www.infowars.com/?p=6463
What would you expect him to say, now that they have gone belly up?
And those bonus-seekers and lobbyists et all...Democrats. This is your Enron. Enjoy.
Certainly you don't expect an answer?
This is what happens when those that have nothing to believe in go after those that do. Most don't believe there is anything greater than themselves.
It is sad really but remember, we will continue to love and pray for those to come to Christ. This is not said with arrogance in the least.....just love.
I expect a replay either way.
And there should be, especially if McCain wins.
Thanks! I don't expect everybody to agree with me. That's
why America is so good. We do have the freedom to vote as we choose. 
Don't expect more than a big, long DUH just like the one
you are getting from you other legitimate and quite pertient question about centrist vs right-wing platform. They are too busy conjuring up verbal assassinations against Obama to stop long enough to ponder anything else. Hope somebody steps up to prove me wrong. I have my own ideas about the party orientation, but being an unAmerica, socialist, Marxist, commie Muslim loving deadbeat I thought I should give them first crack at it.
What do you expect from an illegal? (sm)
He's probably trying to get McCain to lend him his birth certificate.
I don't expect you to "get it."...(nm)
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Okay, give him a pass on the felony...
just like other Clintonites. Just an FYI, Laura Bush has worked with the Initiative to bring water to 10 million people in Africa. Imagine that. A BUSH. Part of the Initiative is also something that George Bush asked former President Clinton and his father former President Bush to work on...Katrina Relief. Imagine that...GEORGE BUSH'S idea. Say it ain't so. I'd like to know how much of Bill Clinton's own money is in his foundation. I would be REAL interested to know that. But, I digress. Yes, is foundation is doing good work, I don't deny that. He is not doing it alone and has worked with all three of the Bushes as part of it. So, let's please not act like he is the hero for the masses all by himself and George Bush has a black soul. The way Clinton used Monica Lewinsky and then threw her under the bus when he got caught, cheated on his wife and committed a felony while a sitting President...is much more indicative of soul problems than anything Bush has done. Let's be real here. As far as Bill Clinton trying to save the world...please. Bill Clinton is trying to save his legacy.
Merely an observation. I'll pass on this and
Sam is hateful because sam is hateful. Her posts speak for themselves.
I'll pass on the kool-aid (nm)
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Vote on the "Bailout" is going on now and not looking like it will pass.
They need 217 votes to pass, 207 FOR and 226 AGAINST and the time has run out on the clock. Dow has been ranging between -678 at one point to now -450. Not sure what is going to happen.
Vote DID NOT PASS. Just wondering
what happens next. I totally do not agree with what they want US (average person) to do. They need to go after the corporate crooks. Unbelievable. I think they tried to RUSH this package. No one knows what they are doing.
That's why it's good this didn't pass yet. - sm
People across the country have been letting their elected officials know that they want the crooks who are responsible for this mess to at least BEGIN the 'bailout' process by sacrificing their OWN wealth, before further sticking it to us. They made their bed, now they should have to sleep in it.
Also, I'm sure that if the average Joe Citizen gets stuck with the whole bill for this, then who exactly is going to remain in the stock market, 401K's, or ANYTHING, for that matter?
I'm tempted to pull everything out of my retirement account NOW, and invest it in some land, a small mobile home to park on it, a vegetable garden and some laying hens. At least I'd havea place to live and something to eat.
The stock market was always a rich-man's 'entertainment', and shouldn't be what we have to rely on for survival in our old age. That's what pensions were for, and I'm all for bringing pensions back.
If they were interested in the country they would just pass it...
they just don't want all the BLAME if it tanks. Playing politics. The Republicans did not help create this one...they, and McCain, and the Bush Admin, have been warning of this very thing for years. Dems blocked, blocked, blocked; chief among them Chris Dodd and Barney Frank. What I don't understand is why you Democrats don't want to hold them accountable. That just boggles my mind. Absolutely it does.
No, because the Republicans don't have enough votes to pass it on their own...
even if they wanted to. Only the Dems. So apparently, they just didn't want it bad enough to put their political but*s on the line. What other reason could there be? They don't want to be the majority in case it tanks. THAT is hypocritical.
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