I stand by David Ogden.....
Posted By: sm on 2009-02-11
In Reply to: I respect your opinion... - Zville MT
It is his legal ethical duty to represent his clients, not his beliefs. My parents decided I was too young to raise a child at 15 and forced me to have an abortion. Yes, the relief was enormous.....as well as the guilt. I got over it and am glad they made that decision for me.
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No...I like David Ogden.
This is old news that has been hashed out on the Politics forum and the Faith forum ad nauseum. I support President Obama's choice of David Ogden and will not be calling or writing anyone about it.
Maybe we can get David Ogden to defend him? LOLOLOL!
Nothing like a hypocrite take a fall to make MY day!
David Ogden - please write or call your reps
Obama has picked a man called David Ogden to be deputy Attorney-General. Ogden has made his legal career from representing pornographers, trying to defeat child protection legislation and undermining family values. As reported this week, he once represented a group of library directors arguing against the Children's Internet Protection Act, which ordered libraries and schools receiving funding for the Internet to restrict access to obscene sites. And on behalf of several media groups, he successfully argued against a child pornography law that required publishers to verify and document the age of their models, which would have ensured these models were at least 18.
The Family Research Council has more examples of his contribution to upholding American and western values. In one such case, he expressed the view that abortion was less damaging to a woman than having children:
In sum, it is grossly misleading to tell a woman that abortion imposes possible detrimental psychological effects when the risks are negligible in most cases, when the evidence shows that she is more likely to experience feelings of relief and happiness, and when child-birth and child-rearing or adoption may pose concomitant (if not greater) risks or adverse psychological effects ...
In another, co-authored brief, he argued that it was an unconstitutional burden on 14-year old girls seeking an abortion for their parents to be notified -- because there was no difference between adults and mid-teens in their ability to grasp all the implications of such a decision:
There is no question that the right to secure an abortion is fundamental. By any objective standard, therefore, the decision to abort is one that a reasonable person, including a reasonable adolescent, could make. [E]mpirical studies have found few differences between minors aged 14-18 and adults in their understanding of information and their ability to think of options and consequences when asked to consider treatment-related decisions. These unvarying and highly significant findings indicate that with respect to the capacity to understand and reason logically, there is no qualitative or quantitative difference between minors in mid-adolescence, i.e., about 14-15 years of age, and adults.
Ogden basically feels that
censorship is unconstitutional. That was his reason for not having restrictions on certain websites in libraries and schools. However, as a parent, I do not feel comfortable knowing that people can go to porn sites in libraries where my child might see this or at school where children might pull this stuff up. If people want to look at porn on the internet, they can feel free to buy their own computer and watch it from the privacy of their home, but not where children can see. Also, I do not see why it was important to Ogden to oppose a law stating porn distributors had to verify with documentation the age of their models. Doing away with this law would make child pornography easier to do. Having a law making them prove the models age, to me, is a responsible thing to do and also will prevent underage children being used in lewd sexual acts.
I just cannot support a man who would not allow restrictions for obscene sights in public libraries and schools and not see why it is important to have laws to verify that a person is of legal age to be involved in pornography.
Seriously, pornography is intended for the privacy of our homes with adults. Not in public places or involving children whether those children be watching or actually involved in the porn.
This is not a personal attack on Obama. I honestly wouldn't like anyone if they had these views on pornography. I personally feel that all appointees should be scrutinized whether it be dem or pub. I think if we hold them to higher standards than we have, maybe we will start getting some honest people in Washington.
Ogden Nash..."The Rhinoceros" - sm
The rhino is a homely beast,
For human eyes he's not a feast.
Farewell, farewell, you old rhinoceros,
I'll stare at something less prepoceros.
You didn't read the AP news story on Ogden?
I posted it below in a post yesterday.
Okay. Then let's have David Freddoso...
moderate it.
David Freddos once said - s/m
<< All things in Moderation.>> So maybe he would be the best choice as a moderator. All things do come down to how they are moderated, especially in an election debate.
David Brooks - New York Times - sm
David Brooks is an objective analyst and I believe his column in today's NYT is very interesting. I see him on PBS along with Mark Shields and always find him fair and nonpartisan.
Google David Brooks or New York Times and take a look at his article today.
Beautiful psalm, written by David
This is a beautiful psalm, written by David, not by G-d, and therefore, is not part of Jewish law.
David Rees is a satirist. This is supposed to
??
Interesting Bhutto interview with David Frost.sm
She is talking about the man who murdered Osama bin Laden. She did not stutter, she did not retract it, and no one corrected her. I guess this is why they can't find him - he's dead. Go to the 6:00 minute mark on the clip and listen for 30 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ
David Horowitz on "Obama Derangement Syndrome"
I don't think they make 'em much more conservative than Mr. Horowitz. I've never agreed with anything he's had to say, and I disagree with a few statements in this piece, but I totally agree with its premise.
December 08, 2008, 4:00 a.m.
Obama Derangement Syndrome
Shut up about the birth certificate.
By David Horowitz
The continuing efforts of a fringe group of conservatives to deny Obama his victory and to lay the basis for the claim that he is not a legitimate president is embarrassing and destructive. The fact that these efforts are being led by Alan Keyes, a demagogue who lost a Senate election to the then-unknown Obama by 42 points, should be a warning in itself.
This tempest over whether Obama, the child of an American citizen, was born on American soil is tantamount to the Democrats’’ seditious claim that Bush ""stole"" the election in Florida and hence was not the legitimate president. This delusion helped to create the Democrats’’ Bush derangement syndrome and encouraged Democratic leaders to lie about the origins of the Iraq war, and regard it as illegitimate as Bush himself. It became ""Bush’’s War"" rather than an American War —— with destructive consequences for our troops and our cause.
The birth-certificate zealots are essentially arguing that 64 million voters should be disenfranchised because of a contested technicality as to whether Obama was born on U.S. soil. (McCain narrowly escaped the problem by being born in the Panama Canal zone, which is no longer American.)
What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on U.S. soil? Advocates of this destructive campaign will argue that the constitutional principle regarding the qualifications for president trumps all others. But how viable will our Constitution be if five Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?
Conservatives are supposed to respect the organic nature of human societies. Ours has been riven by profound disagreements that have been deepening over many years. We are divided not only about political facts and social values, but also about what the Constitution itself means. The crusaders on this issue choose to ignore these problems and are proposing to deny the will of 64 million voters by appealing to five Supreme Court Justices (since no one is delusional enough to think that the four liberal justices are going to take the presidency away from Obama). What kind of conservatism is this?
It is not conservatism; it is sore loserism and quite radical in its intent. Respect for election results is one of the most durable bulwarks of our unity as a nation. Conservatives need to accept the fact that we lost the election, and get over it; and get on with the important business of reviving our country’’s economy and defending its citizens, and —— by the way —— its Constitution.
—— David Horowitz is the author of Party of Defeat.
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Newsletter: MADONNA SAYS SHE OFFERED DAVID'S FATHER MONEY..sm
Madonna appeared on NBC's Today show yesterday (Wednesday, November 1st) to talk about her plans to adopt 13-month-old David Banda of Malawi. She told host Meredith Viera that the boy's father, Yohane Banda, refused her financial offer to help raise his son. Madge said, When I met (Yohane), I said I would be happy to bring (David) back to your village and help you financially raise him. And he said no. She added, I think he truly felt in his heart of hearts that -- and who knows if he was telling me the truth -- that he would have a better life with me. So, when he said no, that was my sign that it was my responsibility to look after him.
Madonna also said that she was saddened by all of the criticism surrounding her decision to adopt David, adding that a week ago she was in the depths of my depression about the negativity and the state of the world. She thinks that racism has something to do with the reaction as well, saying, I think a lot of people have a problem with the fact that I've adopted an African child, a child who has a different color skin than I do...I think it's still considered taboo. You know, I have people say to me on the streets, 'Why did you adopt a black child?'
As for David, Madonna said he's doing well, describing him as very flirtatious and hysterically funny. He also has a temper.
More of Madonna's interview will air today (Thursday, November 2nd).
Meanwhile, David's father said in a recent interview, Madonna was like a bulldozer who has cleared the way for a better life for my son, according to the Associated Press.
Madonna's new children's book, The English Roses, Too Good To Be True, came out last week.
Tucker Carlson interviews David Ray Griffin, author of The New Pearl Harbor sm
He is a theology professor and member of Scholars for 911 Truth (one of those on the fringe loonies they keep telling you about - you will see he is not).
Check out Tucker's new look (I am LMAO). He is not wearing his trademark bow tie, and looks like he set his hair with curlers.
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=2a3290a0-4b79-4bf5-8119-b91b7dede110&p=News_Comment%20-%20Analysis&t=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8063292/&fg=
I'm sorry I'm not just going to stand by
and let you or any other unhinged liberal get away with stating the most stereotypical garbage I've ever heard. You call us racist and intolerant. Honey, you could teach the class on racism and stereotyping.
Nor a leg to stand on. nm
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I cannot stand
Michelle Obama. She just comes off to me as a bitter and arrogant woman. Joe Biden are just ignorant sometimes. He is a likeable guy and I like his smile but the words that come out of his mouth....I bet the dems cringe every time they see him start to talk.
I would much rather see McCain and Palin in office. I don't agree with everything they do, but for the most part....I stand along with them on issues.
I cannot stand behind Obama and the things he stands for.
Me too and I can't stand her. n/m
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I will stand behind him, but we do not
know enough about him. Can only hope this is for the good.
Cannot stand her. She is always
picking her religion by flavor of the month. She always picks her diets by whatever is flavor of the month. She even had people on her show admit, day after O elected, that they only picked O because he is black. Now she is trying to win the red colors of the south and turn them blue. Whatever. My sister is a flight attendant who had her on her AA flight and she was such a WITCH. I heard Michelle Obama and Oprah cannot stand each other.
You are serious? I cannot stand the man. Used to
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Yes, I do know where you stand...(sm)
and I agree with you about 90% of the time. However, you are really targeting the wrong people here. Take a look up above this post. Here's what I see -- "Obama is a fool...big government...socialism..." Obama has called for unity in this country, and I wholeheartedly agree that we should be united. However, the republican leadership and right wing news media are doing nothing but striving for division, and most of the republicans on this board do nothing but echo that. They obviously can't be reasoned with. They posted I don't know how many times about how terrible the stimulus is, but when asked their opinion of what should be done we get no answer-- just some wise crack. The other day one was saying that Obama is taking rights away. When asked what rights specifically...again, no answer. And how about that racist post about the aspirin on this board or the email that a pub official sent out with a watermellon patch in front of the whitehouse? Calling people names? --- How about Kool-Aid drinkers?
If republicans want to have a conversation, I'm all for that, but so far only a few on this board are actually willing to do so. Let's work on that for a while. Go ahead...ask them what their ideas are about how to solve the economic crisis and see if you get a reasonable answer. Ask them whether or not they would support a violent revolution as suggested by Hannity's website and whether or not they think it would help the country.
This country is a mess right now and we desparately need to come together, but when you are dealing with people who would prefer to remain a divided country for the purposes of greed and affiliation, then this is the result.
A few journalists stand out
Lately we have a few reporters who are stepping up to the plate of real journalists from the past..Im impressed with David Gregory of MSNBC, Keith Olbermann of MSNBC also tells it like it is and then there is Terry Moran of ABC and, of course Helen Thomas. They are asking questions and I just love watching Bush and his press secretary squirm, LOL. Three more years of this? Can the country survive three more years?
I stand by my opinion
by the way...I fell asleep during your sermon...
I stand corrected
You are right. I did apply a double standard to a point. Everybody has a past. We've all done things we're ashamed of. My beef was with how he made it all seem like a joke, but again you are right.
I apologize...
Stand corrected
No, I'm advocating blowing a dictator away who is genocidal and dangerous and has committed war crimes for which he is on trial for now, and the evidence is overwhelming. Big difference there.
You are so right. I stand corrected.
What you said and every other bad thing in the world. Bad Bad BAD Democrats.
Bush won't send any of his kids to die for his war. Only other people's kids. BTW, LoL at margarita bimbos.
Speaking of margaritas, people convicted of felonies (such as DUI) aren't allowed to vote in the United States.
But they're allowed to be political candidates and sometimes they become President and Vice President. (Bush: Arrested for DUI and again for possession of cocaine. Cheney: Arrested twice for DUI).
The loophole is they probably weren't technically convicted. They would have been if they were everyday normal people and not privileged and rich, but how ironic is that? :-(
Ok, I stand corrected....
Thanks, however of small note (and this is only me) I don't consider the people on Good Morning America to be news people. Yes, I know they are reading the news. I used to watch it until it just seemed to be too much like The View or Regis & Kathy (okay you see how long its been since I've seen that show). I've just never heard anyone on CNN, Fox, MSNBC, or those main ones (or even our local news) tell her to get out. They were all for her to keep going. But I do stand corrected and thank you.
I stand accused of
You are so consumed with your attack politics you are completely incapable of answering any real issues on any level whatsoever. So here you are with you umpteenth millionth under the bus/lie lines...boring, ineffective, pathetic, self-serving. Biden's record speaks for itself for those who are listening. His "friendship" with McBush is not the least bit relevant to anyone except those on the Fox fringe. The only ones whose opinions really count here are which ones believe your propaganda and which ones don't and how many of them show up at the polls. Will be declining the answer the lies accusations. it's all in the perception, sweetie, and on that score, you and your ilk will lose and lose big in the whose leaders tell the biggest lies that have the worst consequences for all of us to pay contest. Since you cannot actually address any of the other well researched facts on the experience issues raised in the last post, there is nothing left to do here except leave you to stew in your own acidic attacks. I will stay loyal to my principles, my party, their policies, issues and leaders. They are our only hope this election season. Shocking as it may seem to you, democrats are proud to be democrats, liberals proud to be liberals. You have no idea just how many of us there are out here. Our voices have not been raised within your earshot (Fox News) under the "you're either with us or against us" mentality of your last great fearless leader. But we raise them now, loud and clear. We shall see in a few short weeks just which one of us in on the "right side of history" this time...that is, unless, of course, the republicans manage to steal yet one more election. NOT. Not this time. Don't bother with a response. Try to find something more intelligent to do with your time.
I stand corrected
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Thank you for letting me know where you stand....
that barack's campaign is more important than the financial crisis we are facing. Tell me...what would you have said if Barack had suspended is campaign first and put his country first? Would you still be criticizing the decision? I am doubting it! lol.
You need to stand up and adjust....
and get your knickers out of that knot.
I can't stand Pelosi
but don't ya recall who's been in the White House for the past 8 years, well make that 20 of the last 28 years. Obviously the Republican trickle down wealth hasn't worked so well. And don't give me the Democrats for the past 2 years. Obviously they haven't done anything either but for the previous 6 years, as I seem to recall Republicans had total control of the government and look where we are?
Okay, I can't stand it anymore....
the answer is......Hitler. His directive 51 was pretty much the same thing.
Yes that's me - and I still stand by my statement.
I just agreed that the site has been changed; however, if you compare the 2 sites they are virtually word for word until you have to add the part about the college credit (which I posted 4 links below that show that that has been part of the "requirement" all along and not a new idea). That is why I say that it was a mistake on somebody's part that was doing the typing.
I am telling you, when I am wrong, I am admitting I am wrong, and I will continue to admit I am wrong.
If Obama does something that is wrong, then in the next election, I will most definitely not support him again. I am, however, giving him the benefit of the doubt until he is actually in office and doing the job of the POTUS, and not condemning him on typos, rumors, innuendos, outright lies, hypothetical situations, fear and hatred...
I base my decisions on that person's actions, not the public's opinion.
Right and we don't have a union to stand up for us either. n/m
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I never could stand Kissinger
I would expect he WOULD think Hillary was a good pick. I most certainly DO NOT. Yes..I am VERY angry. I just don't know who to be the angriest at, the politicians who have sold us down the river or "we the people" who let them do it.
I stand behind our military too but
I sure as heck am not going to stand behind a president who sends our young men and women in harms way for his own personal gain and that of his oil cronies. What happened to bin Laden? Don't tell me that our military men and women couldn't take him out. And how about McCain saying he knew how to get him. How anyone who can support this administration and this war is beyond me. Isn't it "Mission Iraqi Freedom" now? What about 9/11? Who has paid for that? And today Iraq has given us "permission" to stay for 3 more years? Permission??? We have no business meddling in their business to begin with. Wasn't Bushes and Sadam friends before they became enemies???
Stand whereever you like........ sm
"His old colored picture" to me referred to the fact that the coins are painted in colors, nothing more and nothing less. Maybe I'm just not the racist that you are who sees racism in every comment.
So the M obviously does not stand for mature.
Try to show a little class, why don't you?
And then STAND IN LINE for your
You sound awful happy about old Barry. Another welfare millionare in the making, methinks.
what does MSLSD stand for?...nm
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And I stand by my post as well.......don't like it, go
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I stand by what I said....... they have no "rights"
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And I stand by that quote.
If we sin and don't repent, we will die. End of story. Sin is the wrong choice. Some of the choices we have in our daily life are wrong. Some of us just don't realize it. I'm not cold. I've lost loved ones too. I think we all have. Some people love to put words in other's mouths or they just have a hard time comprehending the message. I see you are one of those. You have no idea what I've experienced.
Your words-- "Yes we are all going to die but that doesn't make it okay for someone else to move the date up because they don't like what we do." Or possibly don't like who we are-- as in fetuses.
Yes, I stand corrected
They just mentioned it on the news, but I didn't hear the justification for it. It seems counterintuitive to me to tax the shrinking number of employers who are providing insurance. I would think they would be providing tax credits if the goal is to get every American insured.
I knew there was a reason I can't stand him.
Cynthia McKinney's Last Stand sm
I really wish more had her guts.
Yep...I stand corrected. He went into rehab after it....
he was addicted to prescription drugs. He was driving under that influence...not drinking. As you said, he is still in the House.
Stand down. If you respond, she will repeat herself
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