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I would agree with that....

Posted By: Observer on 2007-02-09
In Reply to: I certainly do not think it - Lurker

case in point, John Kerry. Certainly did not sprout wings. However, my original feeling still stands. When an American soldier is in harm's way, actively fighting in a war, he deserves my support as a patriotic American citizen. What he/she does when he/she comes home I will hold them accountable for. Like John Kerry. Military service in and of itself is, as you say, not a given for *wings.* It is the character of the man or woman...and it invariably makes itself known. The vast majority of those who serve are patriotic and have a sense of duty and honor. It is something I can identify with having known many personally. They are pretty close to *sprouting wings* to me. Yesterday my husband received the bronze medal, the Order of the Marchusee, for his lifetime of service, He started as a military policeman, then in MI, was in Korea and Somalia (Clinton sent him there, and he is a staunch conservative, but he served his country under Clinton just like he would any other President of the United States) and now as a civilian Chief of Police for the Department of the Army police (they have taken the places of MPs on a lot of military bases since most of the MPs hae been deployed). It is a very high honor (only 470-something of them have been given since start of Army Military police). He did not know he was receiving it (they gave it to him when he was pinned with the chief badge). His whole life has been in service of his country. I know many, many men like him, and it breaks his heart, and theirs, to see how some Americans are so unsupportive of the military, especially in a time of war. He is not a war monger. He is one of the gentlest people I know. But he also knows what we face and he loves his country.

Too much information, I know.

Enough said.


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....in many of his policies in his attempt to completely socialize America.

I hope he fails.



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NOBODY can "give" anyone "freedom" to either believe or not to believe, and the fact that this poster thinks they can is either very stupid or very scary, and I'm not exactly sure which it is. I think this is relevant because I believe there are some conservatives out there who don't only want the law to reflect their specific narrow brand of religion, but they would LOVE to be able to control what people think and believe.


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We also have an evangelical Senator who holds a public meeting in a search and says that liberals aren't people of faith.


First, it's freedom of speech.  Next, it will be freedom of religion.  What about freedom of "thought." 


I wonder what their views on stem cell research would be if it was discovered that stem cell research held the key to developing a new technique to control thought processes of those who disagree with them.


 


I AGREE
I agree with a few of your points..maybe this govt will push us liberals and conservatives together..how great that would be.  I agree with eminent domain, I dont know about the abortion issue for a young person, however, I feel empathy for them.  Regarding gay marriage.  I feel there is not enough love in this word and if two people find love and want to be married, let them.  I personally do not believe in marriage..dont want the govt or anyone else keeping tabs on my personal life.  I have lived with my male friend for 11 years and dont want anyone telling me what choices to make in my adult life.
agree
I agree with you..why, a lot of my friends are conservative (smile), they really are.  We agree on a lot and disagree on a bit but do it in a friendly manner.  My dream..that both ideologies can live together peacefully..
I agree!!!
These people on here are pretty nasty to conservatives.  They are definitely not living up to their standards of tolerance and peace.  They seem very angry even enraged.  I don't think we should rip each other apart.  It serves not useful purpose whatsoever. 
I agree with most of what you said.

However, I don't think it's because of President Bush AND his DADDY. I think George W. came into office hell bent on finishing what his daddy DIDN'T finish and only needed a reason, real or invented, to "finish" it.  And I totally agree with you when you say that this was his personal agenda. I think the disconnect is that many people want him to focus on terror, but his personal agenda has always caused his focus instead to be on Iraq, and I personally am very fearful for the future of this country as a result of that.


 


Agree with everything you said

I believe they will definitely find a way to twist it if some are found guilty. Under no circumstances will they admit that this administration could possibly do anything wrong.


I so agree with you. Even one is way too
many.
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I agree.
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I agree with you

I had the same feeling about Roberts and I was glad to hear he had done this pro bono work.


Let's hope he really is a "good guy" with a heart and a brain.


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I agree with you.

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agree!

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I agree with you both.

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I'm eagerly awaiting the results of Fitzgerald's investigation. 


I agree with you as far as
the definition.  But to read some posts on these boards, you'd think it WAS communism.  It's a part of their mantra that you're worse than a traitor if you have anything GOOD to say about it, so it looks like McCarthyism is still alive in well in today's CONservative party!
I agree
I agree with you..I have always believed there was a **supreme being**  who was creating evolution. 
Agree 100%
with your post Freethinker..its a scary world out there, like the Twilight Zone or something.
I agree with that, too.
Schools are for teaching science, and churches are for teaching religion, except in the cases where there are private religious schools, which are certainly there for the purpose to teach both, which is great!
I have to agree. nm
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Actually I agree with you.

I agree!

Bush and his military brass treated this family horribly.  They did nothing but lie about everything.  (Big surprise, huh?)


They tried to use Pat Tillman as their poster child for recruiting purposes, but Tillman wouldn't agree to be used that way.


When I think if the incredible courage and integrity Pat Tillman had and I look at what a coward Bush was when it came to fighting in a war and what a lying sack of crap he is today, it's easy to see who the REAL man is, and it just makes me want to spit on Bush.


I agree mostly
I think both the Schiavo case and the Lunsford case are equal cases, although what happened to Jessica is one the most heinous crimes imaginable. She used to live in a community only ten minutes from mine, and I can tell you if the guy who did this goes free on a technicality he will not be long for this Earth. He will be hunted down. Also, men who commit heinous crimes on children usually suffer in prison also...crimes against children are usually not tolerated even among the most hardened criminals. So, the death penality would actually be the lesser of the sentences if you know what I mean.
I agree he needs some
medication.  Maybe his pal Rush will slide him some. 
I agree. nm

I agree that this was not necessary. nm
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Agree with you 100%, PK

I can't agree.
And I don't think expecting someone to control their animal is extreme by any means, which seems to be most of the consensus here.  Control the animal.  How hard is that to comprehend?  Again, a total lack of responsibility by a pet owner who now throws the issue out for public sympathy, when all it would take is a little effort on her part. I think there is more to this story than we are hearing.
I agree.
And I certainly won't be sitting here in judgment of men and women whose circumstances I cannot even begin to imagine.  I also will not be taking the media's word as gospel. 
I agree.

Murtha's words always seem to get twisted. 


He never advocated an immediate withdrawal from Iraq.  He suggested we redeploy to the periphery in an attempt to let the Iraqis stand on their own feet, with us still being there if they needed us.


Regarding the deaths of the civilians, he said that continued stress and repeated tours of duty can can take a toll on soldiers. 


As you said, I couldn't imagine what it must be like to live every single second of every single day, not knowing if the next step you take will be your last.  Regardless of whether or not these soldiers had excellent training, in the end, they are human beings and can only take so much before they crack.  Although I don't condone the killing of innocent civilians, I also can't crucify American soldiers, either.  I've never walked in their boots, and it must be terribly difficult to survive physically, mentally and emotionally under such extreme conditions.


Even if an investigation proves the facts to be as reported, rather than condemn them to harsh punishment, I think instead they need intense mental health treatment, probably for the rest of their lives.  I don't think a prison exists that could be more painful for them than the prison that exists within their hearts and minds. 


This was a very poorly planned war, and our soldiers are suffering because of it in the form of repeated tours of duty.  I think they deserve our compassion, not our condemnation. 


I agree on that one
Darfur, Rwanda, Sudan. All examples of genocide, but it was happening in Iraq too by Saddam.

However, if/when Bush had invaded those countries they would be dubbed Vietnams by the left too.
Agree with you, PK, especially
collective coma...LOL...they really need to grow a backbone. Other than Murtha, Feingold, and Republican Specter, as you mentioned, no one else seems to have the guts (although a different word comes to mind here) necessary to do what needs to be done. Hillary is like McCain to me in that they are both all over the place and seem to just be twisting in the wind; I don't trust EITHER of them. Isn't that what happens when you serve too many masters?
I agree. (sm)

I even admired Giuliani at one time and thought I could maybe vote for him, but he's in the same category with Hillary and McCain now.


I think it's time to clean out the Senate and the House, get rid of mostly everyone (from both parties) and start again from scratch.  They're all ineffective, Republicans and Democrats alike (with the exception of very, very few), and they're completely out of touch with what Americans really want.


I agree with everything you said.

They don't like to be treated the way they treat others, and it showed.


I agree. sm
It just seems awkward taxing prostitution. Making them pay income tax is like acknowledging what they do is a job. I say lock em' up and lose the key for 10+ years and see if they change their tune about their *jobs.*

But anything is better than letting them continue to ride, so in that sense I support Grassley.
I agree with everything you said.

I would love to debate issues here.  I almost did a month or so ago, but the person who claimed she wanted to debate ran off with the promise to respond to the issues I raised in my post later.  When she did return, she didn't live up to her pledge to respond to my post and instead instead baited others by insulting and trying to start an argument.


Have you taken a look at the Conservative Board?  It contains nothing but hate for all liberals, and they even go so far as to name people from this board during their insulting hateful tirades. 


I wish things were as you describe, as well.  Everyone talks about a civil war in Iraq.  It seems to me like one is inevitable in the United States at the rate we are going.


Anyway, regardless of your personal feelings about me, I thought your post was very well written and seemed to be sincere and come from the heart.  Thank you for posting it.


I agree that most everyone
disliked Johnson.  But on the domestic front, he made major changes for the good of this country as a whole, knowing full well what the consequences would be for him and his party and he did it anyway. That is admirable.
I agree...
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I agree with you.

We give them billions of dollars every year.  We give them weapons to fight their (our?) wars.  And anyone who even thinks of questioning their actions are demonized.


I'll never forget a video I saw years ago of Palestinians throwing rocks at Israelis (the only weapons they had) and Israelis responding by firing machine guns at the rock throwers.  The only difference in the response ratio of the number of dead (Israelis versus Lebanese) is that their enemies have better weapons today.  But the Israelis are still occupying Lebanon and causing more destruction and death.


I agree.
I just don't agree with self-fulfilled prophecies.
I don't agree at all!
Israel (NOT ISREAL) is the only democratic country in the entire Middle East. England also backs Israel.  And it definitely is not NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO. 
I agree.

We should give them both the boot.


I agree.

I don't know how anyone could see any honor in that flag.  And I've heard about the noose in his office, as well.


I heard him today on Meet the Press say that he just made up the Macaca word, never heard it before and didn't know what it meant.  Right.


Although Webb really don't seem that much better, I hope he wins over Allen.  We've moved backwards enough in the last six years, and as a nation we're divided enough by political lines, it seems.  I'm unwilling to tolerate anyone who would further divide us by racial lines, and I'm very glad he was exposed for the bigot he is.


I agree with that...sm
I've let them get me riled up and talking about them before and what's the result. More people getting their message.

I agree with him. sm

The issues he cites are the ones I have always had trouble with this administration.  Now what do we get?  Pelosi is HIGHLY in favor of amnesty for illegals.  That door is wide open now and I am furious about that.


I agree. sm
The Republicans have lost their way and their conservative base along with them. In order to bring them back to the fold, they will have to return to OUR core values and make us believe it.  Like Reagan did.  I don't believe Nancy Pelosi will be pointing to another Bible either.