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Interesting -- no elected official goes through a security clearance process ...

Posted By: sm on 2008-10-28
In Reply to: It isn't silly at all. - sm

This is the most interesting statement from this article: 


FSM: Considering this situation we find ourselves in today, do you think presidential candidates should be vetted more before they are allowed even to run for their party's nomination?
 
BR: Well that's very difficult to say how you would do that - no elected official - senator or congressman or the vice president or president - goes through a security clearance process. The very election process itself is considered vetting.




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Well they should have the same security clearance
if they are a threat, as Obama is supposed to be. Okay if he gets in, then the FBI can do their thing and he can get thrown out of office, put in jail? or what? What has he done that is illegal??? Do not get it.

We are screwed with McCain also. Face it.
Security Clearance
Can you post where you found that he had a security clearance denied? I have not seen that before.

Isn't US Citizenship required for senators? Wouldn't the FBI or the DSS uncovered back when Obama was first elected to senate?
Senators, etc, don't have the same security clearance as
the president. Do a little research on the subject. Face it, if the chosen one gets in we are screwed, without the benefit of dinner and a movie first.
He is an elected official which leaves him open for publicity -
They do not have to have his permission to run his pictures.
Well, I try. I did it all through the election process
and I still have many questions on his election, his "pals", etc., but until I find (or should I say the news media finds) some really stick-to-his-rib issues, I'm still willing to give it a try. I also don't think he's really on the up and up, but.....I try keep an open mind, and let me tell you, it's been very hard.
Because in the process of delivery, as I said before..sm
the delivery is breech and the cervix clamps down on the baby's neck. No other way to get it out after that. It is a fact that fewer of these happen now with all the new inovations like ultrasound. Back before abortion was legalized, these happened more frequently. Again, not to "get rid" of a viable baby in the true sense.
Did you brain even process what I just said?...sm
It does not matter if he was born on Mars or in a spaceship, his mother was an American citizen when he was born and was until the day she died. That makes him a natural-born American citizen and eligible to run for president. Do I need to repeat myself again? What is it that you do not understand?
Yes, I have. It's a process that is called

"read and compare."  Read every link that is supplied, double-check to make sure nothing has been removed from the article that might change its meaning.  Read unfounded allegations and "fears" and the "I'm scareds" all over the board.


Now, if you can supply me a racist post that she's made -- which is what the accusation is -- please copy and paste it.  I will then "read and compare" and perhaps come up with a different conclusion.


If you're going to make a serious allegation against someone, at least have the documentation to back it up.


I'm still waiting.


It is an ongoing process but...(sm)

it is seriously under-funded, which is why Obama signed legislation to delay the deadline for conversion.  That, I believe, was the whole point of putting funds for it in the stimulus.  I would guess that a lot of people do not have TVs and/or digital cable, and the coupons that the stimulus talks about would help those people who would not otherwise be able to afford to change equipment by the deadline.  Changed from Feb to (I think) July.


As far as stimulus for the economy, these coupons act as money which would go to the cable companies which creates more demand = jobs, jobs, jobs. -- people have to hook this stuff up -- people who build converter boxes -- people who make the parts for the converter boxes........etc.


Any time money is spent for, in particular, a product, it creates demand and therefore creates jobs.


I agree. It should be part of the process. Because he...
is as responsible as she is, more so in the case of an adult and a minor. But as long as it is about money with the clinic...they are not going to do anything to interfere with the cash cow. It's about the money.
Nor do you bother engaging in the process beyond
negativity, smears and prognostications of gloom and doom, much like a miniscule segment of the fringes whom you claim you do not follow.
Again, I think the election process would negate...(sm)

the whole concept of a king. 


However, talking about the supreme court.  I really don't like the idea of lifers.  What happens if several get sick at the same time?  Then you have a president who is able to fill those positions with whatever he decides, thus shifting (either way) the whole court for MANY years to come.  I think their terms should be staggered and only about 10 yrs (at most).  You can also wind up with a court that is elderly, set in its ways (whether because of age or what they've lived through), and completely out of touch with current changes in society.  I think there needs to be infusion of new blood on a regular basis.


What a weird thought process you possess.
Babies don't think or form thoughts. Wow. I always thought that's why God gave them brains. Elderly, when they get dementia or Alzheimer's, really don't form cohesive thoughts either. What's your take on getting rid of all of them? Babies don't realize their mother is killing them but God does. No man/woman has the right to decide who gets to live or die. So, I guess it was God's plan to allow the baby killer to die or he would be killing those unborn babies right now. Now, mind your own business.
Looks like it's official..............sm

What we have all been thinking for months has finally been confirmed by "the experts."  We are officially in a recession and have been for the past year.  Why did it take them so long to finally figure it out? 


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97652641&ft=1&f=1001


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27999557/


http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/nber-fell-recession-year/


http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN02ELLSNA20081201?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews


Okay it's now official -
Your comment definitely has me thinking more vegan now.
I think it's official.....gay is the new black (sm)
It amazes me that we can take such a huge step as we did in the general election and yet at the same time take away someone else's rights.  I hope this goes to the supreme court.
Google has an official explaining for it.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/googlebombing-failure.html
Former Reagan official: Is another 9/11 is in the works?

(There is NOTHING this administration could do that would surprise me. )












March 16, 2006


Is Another 9/11 in the Works?


by Paul Craig Roberts


If you were President George W. Bush with all available US troops tied down by the Iraqi resistance, and you were unable to control Iraq or political developments in the country, would you also start a war with Iran?


Yes, you would.


Bush’s determination to spread Middle East conflict by striking at Iran does not make sense.


First of all, Bush lacks the troops to do the job. If the US military cannot successfully occupy Iraq, there is no way that the US can occupy Iran, a country approximately three times the size in area and population.


Second, Iran can respond to a conventional air attack with missiles targeted on American ships and bases, and on oil facilities located throughout the Middle East.


Third, Iran has human assets, including the Shi'ite majority population in Iraq, that it can activate to cause chaos throughout the Middle East.


Fourth, polls of US troops in Iraq indicate that a vast majority do not believe in their mission and wish to be withdrawn. Unlike the yellow ribbon folks at home, the troops are unlikely to be enthusiastic about being trapped in an Iranian quagmire in addition to the Iraqi quagmire.


Fifth, Bush’s polls are down to 34 percent, with a majority of Americans believing that Bush’s invasion of Iraq was a mistake.


If you were being whipped in one fight, would you start a second fight with a bigger and stronger person?


That’s what Bush is doing.


Opinion polls indicate that the Bush regime has succeeded in its plan to make Americans fear Iran as the greatest threat America faces.


The Bush regime has created a major dispute with Iran over that country’s nuclear energy program and then blocked every effort to bring the dispute to a peaceful end.


In order to gain a pretext for attacking Iran, the Bush regime is using bribery and coercion in its effort to have Iran referred to the UN Security Council for sanctions.


In recent statements President Bush and Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld blamed Iran for the Iraqi resistance, claiming that the roadside bombs used by the resistance are being supplied by Iran.


It is obvious that Bush intends to attack Iran and that he will use every means to bring war about.


Yet, Bush has no conventional means of waging war with Iran. His bloodthirsty neoconservatives have prepared plans for nuking Iran. However, an unprovoked nuclear attack on Iran would leave the US, already regarded as a pariah nation, totally isolated.


Readers, whose thinking runs ahead of that of most of us, tell me that another 9/11 event will prepare the ground for a nuclear attack on Iran. Some readers say that Bush, or Israel as in Israel’s highly provocative attack on the Jericho jail and kidnapping of prisoners with American complicity, will provoke a second attack on the US. Others say that Bush or the neoconservatives working with some black ops group will orchestrate the attack.


One of the more extraordinary suggestions is that a low yield, perhaps tactical, nuclear weapon will be exploded some distance out from a US port. Death and destruction will be minimized, but fear and hysteria will be maximized. Americans will be told that the ship bearing the weapon was discovered and intercepted just in time, thanks to Bush’s illegal spying program, and that Iran is to blame. A more powerful wave of fear and outrage will again bind the American people to Bush, and the US media will not report the rest of the world’s doubts of the explanation.


Reads like a Michael Crichton plot, doesn’t it?


Fantasy? Let’s hope so.


 


 


It's now official. McCain conceding...sm
My congrats also, even though it was not my choice.


I just saw the first headline.....President Obama.


It's his night to celebrate.
It's official. HC has accepted SOS appointment.

Completed vetting process.  I think BC had to agree to withdraw from "day-to-day" involvement in his foundation to avoid conflict of interest. 


HOORAY! It's official! I feel like the US just

I propose that from here out, we all quit with the bellyachin' and become part of the solution, instead of continuing to be part of the problem.



Obama refuses to present an official
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The Official Web Site of the The U.S. Presidential Transition
FYI.

http://change.gov/

Knowledge is power.

Obama has never shown his official certificate.
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It's official!!! Obama has just sold this country

G-20 summit is now living proof that Obama has kissed everyone's butts and sold this county down the river.........  Now, all European socialists will make ALL regulatory rules for ALL U.S. firms................ 


 


Thanks to all the Obama lovers and fools out there who thought he was your savior!!    You better really have a savior because you're gonna need it now!!! 


SORRY..... YOU CAN'T BLAME BUSH FOR THIS ONE!!  OBAMA SWAGGERED HIS WAY THROUGH THIS ONE AND THERE WAS NO BUSH IN SIGHT!!!


 


 


Bush Official Arrested in Corruption Probe

Bush Official Arrested in Corruption Probe




By R. Jeffrey Smith and Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, September 20, 2005; Page A01



The Bush administration's top federal procurement official resigned Friday and was arrested yesterday, accused of lying and obstructing a criminal investigation into Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff's dealings with the federal government. It was the first criminal complaint filed against a government official in the ongoing corruption probe related to Abramoff's activities in Washington.


The complaint, filed by the FBI, alleges that David H. Safavian, 38, a White House procurement official involved until last week in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, made repeated false statements to government officials and investigators about a golf trip with Abramoff to Scotland in 2002.







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Procurement
Procurement chief David H. Safavian was connected to probe of lobbyist Jack Abramoff. (Melina Mara/twp - Twp)













It also contends that he concealed his efforts to help Abramoff acquire control of two federally managed properties in the Washington area. Abramoff is the person identified as Lobbyist A in a 13-page affidavit unsealed in court, according to sources knowledgeable about the probe.


Until his resignation on the day the criminal complaint against him was signed, Safavian was the top administrator at the federal procurement office in the White House Office of Management and Budget, where he set purchasing policy for the entire government.


The arrest occurred at his home in Alexandria. A man who answered the phone there yesterday hung up when a reporter asked to speak to Safavian.


Abramoff was indicted by federal prosecutors in Miami last month on unrelated charges of wire fraud and conspiracy. He remains the linchpin of an 18-month probe by a federal task force that includes the Internal Revenue Service, the Interior Department and the Justice Department's fraud and public integrity units. His lawyer did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.


Abramoff's allegedly improper dealings with Indian tribes -- which netted him and an associate at least $82 million in fees -- prompted the federal probe. But investigators have found that his documents and e-mails contain a trove of information about his aggressive efforts to seek favors for clients from members of Congress and senior bureaucrats.


Accompanying Safavian and Abramoff on the 2002 trip to Scotland, for example, were Rep. Robert W. Ney (R-Ohio), chairman of the House Administration Committee, lobbyist and former Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed and Neil Volz, a lobbyist with Abramoff at the Washington office of Greenburg Traurig.


Like Abramoff, Safavian is a veteran Washington player. He is a former lobbying partner of anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist and previously worked with Abramoff at another firm. Both he and Abramoff have represented gambling clients and Indian tribes with gambling interests.


At the time of the golf trip, Safavian was chief of staff at the General Services Administration, where ethics rules flatly prohibited the receipt of a gift from any person seeking an official action by the agency. When Safavian asked GSA ethics officers for permission to go on the trip, he assured them in writing that Abramoff has no business before GSA, according to the affidavit signed by FBI special agent Jeffrey A. Reising.


Reising alleged, however, that Abramoff had by then already secretly enlisted Safavian in an effort to buy 40 acres of land that GSA managed in Silver Spring for use as the campus of a Hebrew school Abramoff founded. Safavian also allegedly tried to help Abramoff lease space for Abramoff's clients in an old post office building downtown.


On July 22, 2002, Abramoff sent Safavian an e-mail with a proposed draft letter that at least two members of Congress could send to GSA supporting the lease, according to the affidavit. Does this work, or do you want it to be longer? Abramoff asked.


Three days later, Safavian forwarded Abramoff an e-mail describing how an employee at OMB was resisting Abramoff's plan to lease space at the post office. I suspect we'll end up having to bring some Hill pressure to bear on OMB, Safavian messaged Abramoff.


On the same day Safavian discussed the golf trip with the ethics office, he sent an e-mail to Abramoff from his home computer, advising him how to lay out a case for this lease. Abramoff subsequently wrote in an e-mail to his wife and two officials of the school that Safavian had shown him a map of the property at his GSA office but had cautioned that Abramoff should not visit again given my high profile politically.


Safavian nonetheless arranged a meeting for Abramoff's wife and business partner with officials at GSA on the day before he departed for Scotland aboard Abramoff's chartered jet. The trip cost more than $120,000 and was paid for mostly by a charity founded and run by Abramoff, the Capital Athletic Foundation.


When Safavian was questioned by The Washington Post about the trip in January, he said he paid his share of the expenses and took unpaid leave. The trip was exclusively personal; I did no business there. . . . Jack is an old friend of mine, Safavian said.


But the complaint alleges that Safavian lied about his contacts with Abramoff on three occasions after his initial false pledge to the GSA ethics officer. The first was during a 2003 investigation by GSA's inspector general, who was responding to an anonymous tipster's hotline complaint; the second was in a March 17, 2005, letter to the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs; and the third was during an FBI interview on May 26, 2005.


Obama has NEVER released his official birth cert.
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It's official. Rahm Emanuel star of democratic party
accepts position of the O's chief of staff. 
Well, it's official my day is shot. Obama was inaugerated AND I'm getting crappy dictation!
I just can't win today! 
Michelle Obama's Official White House Portrait
See below.
Provide a link to the document with that title. None of the official copies I've seen use the wor
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If she is elected
What I meant is I will vote in the election but if she wins I will dis-own this country after that. If she gets in it will confirm my beliefs that the people's votes do not count. It's already starting to turn out that way. Clearly Obama is ahead right now, but I am hearing talks of the delegates deciding at the convention who will be the candidate no matter who is ahead. How fair is that??? If he is ahead by the people and the delegates how can the super delegates (who happen to all be on Hillary's side) come in and wipe out all the votes and delegate votes already casted.
Cya. And if they are elected I will still be here...
holding their feet to the fire, with my "Don't Blame Me I Didn't Vote for Them" sticker, and ready with the I told you so's. Y'all come back now...hear?

Must be so empowering to be so smug. Women who are thoughtful and intelligent...who attack another woman (Palin) like snarling dogs but would not attack one of their own? Yeah, loaded with class you thoughtful and intelligent women are. Please. Your actions bely your words.
So, if he is elected -
who is going to be running the country? If he wants to be my candidate, he needs to step up and let us see what he is made of and not let #2 take his spot. I have not yet seen a VP up front in all my years voting as I have seen with this ticket. We should be focusing on the the Presidential candidate and not the VP. I can still be swayed but I am leaning towards the Obama ticket. I need to see a strong presidential candidate - not a strong vice presidential candidate.
I already have next-to-none. If he's elected, at least
no/msg
Exactly! It's man's will that O was elected, not God's.
And it is precisely for that reason this country will suffer greatly.  Mankind has been putting their human will before the will of God for centuries and this world will not be left to stand much longer because of it.  THAT is God's will.  And those of us who understand this are safe and secure.
We (as in probably not you) elected him....(sm)

as far as foreign affairs go to restore credibility to the US...and that's what he's doing.  -- As opposed to the shrub method of trying to bully the world.  Get a grip and try to catch up with the rest of us.


Exactly! Look what they did to Soc. Security.
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She's not even ready to be elected

That's how W got elected! U mean that was illegal! Huh!
Can't imagine the pubs doing anything illegal.,,,,,,,
All politicians lie to get elected.

We are all fooling ourselves if we thing otherwise.  It is literally picking the lesser of two evils.  The one thing that I can say is that at least McCain makes decisions.  He votes instead of just voting present like Obama and when Obama actually has voted yes or no.....he has consistently said one thing and voted the exact opposite.  I just do not think he has the experience or the ability to make executive decisions.  I do not trust his associations and I do not have the same values as he does. 


If McCain were elected and were to die, she would be...sm
a puppet president with the strings being pulled by the extreme religious right wing. That is why he was under pressure to appoint her. Now they will support McCain, tit for tat.

My advice would have been to have Colin Powell as a running mate, if he would even agree to do so, and to run on proper state of the art care for the injured troops coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan. I think that people would be able to swallow the war if they knew we didn't forget about the vets when they came home.
As I am sure if Obama is elected....
as the babies mount up dying in the closets of hospitals and we turn into a socialist state I will be very, very ill as well...but my conscience will be clear.
Could be that if O is elected, those nations
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How is Obama getting elected ...sm
saying the majority of Americans don't put the country first?
Quite evident, you elected the man who
your guns and your bibles and reelected the man who called you racist rednecks.
Obama said what he had to to get elected. Now
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LOL! How did that woman get elected
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When Obama was elected

those who supported the opposition and who warned of the types of sweeping changes to come during his presidency were told not to jump to conclusions based on what he had said during the campaign, or with whom he had chosen to associate throughout his life but to ''give him a chance'' to show the American people what he would actually do.  We were told that racial prejudice and sour grapes were behind our feelings and that Obama would prove himself worthy of the office.  To me, in just four months he has proven the exact opposite and further demonstrated a lack of character. 


I did not necessarily want McCain in office.  I voted the ''NObama'' ticket because I felt McCain would be slightly less destructive to our country and because I was pretty sure he is not a marxist. Voting third party would have been a wasted vote.


Sure, had McCain been elected I would have told his opposition to give him a chance to prove his worth as well. (I believe McCain's character has already been proven; I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.)   But if he then demonstrated himself, through his words and actions, to be a screwup and/or a liar I would be posting exactly the same type of opinion. 


I doubt he will be elected again.......... sm
because I doubt there will even be an election in 2012. At the rate things are going now, I can well imagine Obama invoking martial law prior to the election and making himself into a dictator. Chavez would be so proud.
O is smarter than JM on nat'l security.
Just for starters, here are a few concepts that would tend to argue in favor of inernational diplomacy...and hes got a brilliantly inspired plan.
2nd clue: He knows that US cannot be a leader in a world that it has alientated.
3rd clue: He understands the concept of common purpose. It is in the best interest of all modern, civilized nations to defeat terrorism.
3rd clue: Understands that securing, destroying and stopping spread of WMDs can only succeed as a a global effort, i.e., we can't be everywhere at once.
4th clue: Recognizes value in renewing and constructing old alliances to meet common challenges and threats.
5th clue: Foreign aid aimed at constructing foundations of sustainable democracies; strong legislatures, independent judiciaries, rule of law, civil society, free press and honest police force.
6th clue: Knows his geography. Appropriage military initiatives against AL Quaeda and Taliban in Afghanistan, their home base.
7th: Securing nuclear weapons and materials from terrorists and rogue states.
8th: Energy Security.
9th: Obama on diplomacy: "The United States is trapped by the Bush-Cheney approach to diplomacy that refuses to talk to leaders we don't like. Not talking doesn't make us look tough — it makes us look arrogant, it denies us opportunities to make progress, and it makes it harder for America to rally international support for our leadership. Obama is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe. Reagan did this with Gorbachev, who posed a much greater immediate threat (i.e., "We are going to wipe you off the face of the earth") than Iran, Venezuela or Cuba does (for example). He will do the careful preparation necessary, but will signal that America is ready to come to the table, and that he is willing to lead."
10th: Obama: "The United States should have the courage and confidence to talk to its adversaries. Demanding that a country meets all your conditions before you meet with them, that’s not a strategy. It’s just naive, wishful thinking."

I realize this is a bit much for the scorched earth disciples, so it really serves very little purpose to really go to far beyond these basic principles, they way that he has. This is was real leadership looks like.