It is frustrating and scary to me that
Posted By: Chele on 2008-10-07
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so many people stand by Barrack Obama. When you actually stop to look at the whole picture....it shows that Barrack Obama is not the type of person that we can trust to be the president of our country.
His associations with Ayers and Rev. Wright is enough to call into question his character and those aren't the only two questionable associations. His dealings with ACORN. The idea that he spent money for education not focusing on testing but focusing or pushing radical ideas into education.
Now he is being audited for some of the contributions he received (which I'm sure will be swept under the rug just like every thing else). The fact that people were encouraging people to vote an absentee ballet in Ohio and bringing people in by the bus loads....this opens up the question of voter fraud.
I do not feel comfortable with someone so extreme left as Obama. We need someone closer to the middle. How are they going to reach over the aisle when he is so extreme left?
His attending Rev. Wright's church for 20 years, being married by him, baptisting his children, refusing to denouce him until his party made him denounce him.....just shows me that he is a racist and truly believes what Rev. Wright preaches.
As for him leading our country....his government programs will not work. We have no money for it. He plans to end the war in Iraq to pay for his government programs, but he knows we can't just pull out of Iraq and now there is trouble brewing in Pakistan. What will Obama do if we have to fight over in Pakistan? His plans just will not work and no one will listen to that. All they hear is change. A promise that Obama cannot keep.
In his four years in the senate, he has asks for billions of dollars worth of earmarks. He received the second highest amount of money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I see no change coming from what he has done during his seat in the senate.
How can people support a man like this? I beg you all to look at the big picture. Stop listening to what you hear on TV and actually dig in and do the research. If people would take their blinders off and listen to more than just the promise of change, they would realize that Barrack Obama has a very sketchy political history and associations with scary individuals and associations with ACORN that bullied people into getting bad loans...which is also what helped lead to this economic meltdown.
Taxes will go up with Obama in office and that includes the middle class as well. His government programs will cost so much that the cost of these programs will not be paid for by higher taxes to the rich alone. It isn't feasible.
God help us all if Obama becomes the next President of the USA. I cringe at the very thought.
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It is frustrating isn't it...
We have little to no transparency in our present government on just about every level. You have to tease it out slowly.
Helen Thomas chided Perino a bit in a press conference about the supposed people "electing" President Bush. So funny!
It is frustrating
DH told me tonight that the liberals beliefs are so strong that they won't listen to the truth even when you present the facts to them. He said it's like watching children that have not grown up yet but are in adult bodies. At least with a child when you tell them something is wrong they listen to the correct answer and absorb it and learn from it. I see it on the news stations and here on this board. You present them with the facts and they answer back with nonsensical words and just won't listen.
I guess I just don't understand why liberals think the way they do (and I used to be one so I should get it but I don't). Why do liberals want bigger government? Why do liberals want the government telling them what they can and can't do (when most of them couldn't wait to leave home because they didn't want mom and dad telling them what to do)? Why do liberals want to pay more taxes and they don't care (just as long as a democrat is president - and it doesn't matter which candidate, just someone who is a democrat)? Why do liberals want to be lulled into a false pretense that things are better for them even though they have no money, are getting no refunds, paying more taxes, being told what they can and cannot do, they can't go on vacations, or do anything fun because they have no money to do anything? Why do liberals believe that it's okay to live in shambles, in a cramped little apartment while all the rich democrats are living in mansions off the the taxpayers money? Then again the questions Why don't they want smaller government, why don't they want to be taxed less so they get to keep more of their money, why don't they want an affordable health care plan that isn't socialized and to be able to go to any doctor they want to and not who they are told they will go to. The why's are endless.
On one last note to say that only under a replubican president the CEOs and executives are getting huge salaries and million dollar pensions, etc is misleading. Yes the rich corporate executive are getting rich, but they always have been (even under Clinton and Carter) - this is not something new and only happening with a republican president.
And like I heard tonight. If things were so great and the country was so wonderful under Clinton then we'd still have a democrat president right now (Gore). If he was so great and Clintons were so great we would not have had Bush. But if you want to blame anyone for Bush being president you need to blame yourselves because you all did it. Things were not as great as you think they were with a Clinton/Gore and more than half the country decided enough is enough.
Thank you - it gets frustrating
Trying to argue when they won't face facts. Google is full of articles from every walk of life. If you know how to creat a web page you can put it on the internet but doesn't make it the truth.
I'm also tired of arguing about this phony "Palin is inciting hatred, blah, blah, blah". It gets real old and it's not the truth. She's back in her own state now getting back to a job she is very successful at. Really makes me want to move to Alaska with her being governor. She's the first person in politics that actually ever fought for people and can back it up with proof. She's a great lady and a good role model for many young girls growing up. It was a long hard road, and as my husband says, people forget that she didn't ask for this. The GOP came to her and picked her. McCain's camp was better for picking her and I hope to see her more in the future.
But is just disgusts me when I hear people making things up that are not true and they won't research for themselves.
Thanks - isn't it frustrating
People don't listen to reason anymore.
It is quite frustrating - see message
Trying to educate people in the fact that we have a democratic congress that are the ones who vote on issues, bills, etc (not the president). It's very easy to conveniently blame Bush for everything, but he's not the one who has the say on spending/cutting. However when Clinton made a mess of things who did they blame? The republicans in congress/senate/house.
Thanks Emily Ayn - Man it's so frustrating
It's so frustrating to try and make sense and discuss issues with them because they don't know the issues. They are just wrapped up in the euphoria/high of having a black man as president. That's all they care about. This whole "proud" thing it getting out of hand. Hits the "creep-zone" big time. Like watching people after a batch of bad mushrooms and on a bad "trip". I just can't believe there are so many human beings out there walking around without a brain and cannot think for themselves. Now that's what I call creepy
Scary? What is scary is Obama and friends.
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You are correct - It truly is frustrating - see message
But it is frustrating for both sides. We all have very strong feeling towards or against a candidate and all of our feelings are legitimate. The democrats had very strong concerns about McCains age, health, his choice for VP, his economic knowledge and the war. These are all legitimate reasons and nothing wrong with that. On the other side people had very strong concerns about Obama's lack of experience, lack of knowledge of foreign policies, terrorist ties, where he was born making him illigitimate, spending 20 years in a hate-filled church and then lying to us about it, re-distribution of wealth, socializing our heath care, and other issues and with the same rights given to Obama supporters the same courtesy should have been given to McCain and other supporters without being bashed for our viewpoints. I stopped posting for a couple days because I was getting bashed constantly. And why? Because I didn't share the same viewpoints as others? After reading some posts and realizing everyone has their opinions and that is what this board is for I decided that since I am not disrespectful to others then I should be allowed to post like everyone else does, especially if it is an issue I feel strongly about and to share ideas, information, and concerns. We've been told over and over by the moderator not to make it personal. In fact, the moderator has said it so much that the last time she posted I felt like the babysitter was telling us how to behave. HA HA. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and should be able to share articles and have discussions. If you don't like it move on. I have nothing against any of the posters. I will read some of the posts even if I know I'm not going to like what the poster is going to say, that is "Freedom of speech". As for GP, I have nothing personally against her. I'm sure she's a fine person, but GP (and others) bring a lot of it on themselves. People don't go after them, but the minute we post something we get nailed and belittled for having our feelings. We someone calls us "rabid" for no reason other than to stir up emotions, its offensive. Through this election we read all the negativity and down right mean spirited comments towards McCain and Palin and in all fairness there was negative towards Obama/Biden. There were times I defended Obama especially when he was running against Hillary and I was loved for it. But then when my viewpoint changed that was a whole different story.
I say this. We may not like that Obama was chosen but he is, that's life and life will move on. We all have hopes that he will be a great president. And my biggest hope for him is that he will be able to mend the feelings of many after the last eight years. But he will also be watched carefully, as everyone does with every president. I heard on Fox tonight, which I'm sure you'd be surprised to hear, but I heard Karl Rove say. I love my country and Barack Obama will be President and we need to be fair to him and give him a chance and support him. I heard someone else say we're not going to nit pik at every single thing, we will give praise when praise is due and if something is wrong we will bring it to light. I have been watching Fox news throughout the election because that is where I am getting the balanced news. I've been an avid watcher of MSNBC for the past 6 or 7 years, but it got to a point where they were so hateful they were just coming out and bashing and lying, and then doing the pity poor me (Obama) routine. Didn't matter that they were gleefully talking about the porn movie someone was doing with a Sarah Palin look alike, and then turning in the same breath saying look at what they're doing to Obama, it's horrible. So I turned it off (and I guess so did thousands and thousands of other people because their ratings dropped and they fired C Matthews and K Olberman from reporting on the election (or at least having a main say in covering the election). On Fox they had both liberals and conservatives on. I saw they were fair to both sides.
Anyway...as for the forum you are correct one can never win, only lose. Look at how sam is treated. I always like reading her comments and she points people in the right direction on where to search information on our own but she has been treated horribly and with no good reason.
So I say with Obama, we will hope for the best, but you have to keep an eye on him and what he does as president. Just like we would if McCain or any other person got in there. If there is information about Obama or articles of interest I will continue to post and am sure will get mean-spirited replies, but then that's just the way it is.
Right, scary... Speaking of scary, O sure is.
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This is really scary.
I wonder if the Catholic *terror group* was being spied on before or after this became public. You know how truth and light are with the Bush crowd: If you expose the truth about their actions, you WILL Plamegated, Swiftboated or just generally trampled on.
This just further proves that if you're not evangelical and born again, you may as well hang it up because you simply don't count as an American any more. You don't belong either here on earth or in heaven as far as they're concerned.
They act more like the antichrist than people who follow the teachings of someone who was LOVING and TOLERANT, like Jesus.
Yes, very scary. sm
But, for now I'm still in denial, but then so were the Jews until they were being rounded up by Hitler.
That is just too scary
I heard that and thought letting them steal our money from us and feel good about it? (well I actually don't make that much, but for the people who have earned it with blood sweat and tears, and lots of hard work, since when is it right to do that to them). Since when did patriotism fall into the same category as robbery. BTW...this $250K thing? Just a short while ago it was $200K (guess they were losing too many votes so they upped the figure), but what's going to happen when they say, oh we're not getting enough money, we're going to have to steal from the people who make $150K, then $100K, etc, etc. Anyone see a pattern here? Oh and on top of that we're supposed to feel patriotic about that. Sure I'll sing the national anthem everytime I get my paycheck to find they stolen from me. That's not patriotism, that's socialism at its finest. I have been saying all along the democratic party is now the socialist party and it's coming right back to bite them. - Another little tidbit of info...Joe Biden plagerized something a socialist said word for word. I'd have to do some research on what exactly it was but I heard that on TV and also DH told me that tonight. I'm voting for McCain/Palin so I can keep as much as I can. Things are tough enough without the government stealing more from me. The democrats need to learn to stop spending!!!!! I can't wait for Sarah Palin to take the office of VP. If anyone caught part I of her interview with Sean Hannity you will understand why. She's one smart cookie when it come to economics and how to get America back on track and prosper.
She's scary.
You are very scary if you believe that. Oh my...sm
Is that what we are reduced to in this country? Doesn't a leader of the modern world need to have an education and an understanding of what it takes to guide the US in the right direction in this most difficult time. I am a hockey mom too, have a masters degree in political science and a law degree from Rutgers University. I have been very involved over the years in setting the record straight for both parties. I feel like I have contributed to cracking that ceiling for women but I am ashamed that the republican party is using Sarah Palin for their own disgusting purposes. She is neither qualified to be VP or president, and neither am I.
Scary
Have you checked out your McSaint as thoroughly? What about his hair-trigger temper for example? Have you watched the video of his exchange with the mother of the Vet still MIA in the congressional hearing? Not exactly a kindly man. What about the Palin investigation that the results of that investigation won't be released until after the election?
Could it be that if the majority of the people intend to vote for Obama (or against McCain) that the majority agree that McCain does not need to be in the White House?
I personally find McCain just as scary, if not more so, than Obama.
Yes.......scary it is........sm
allowing on of our biggest creditors to set up on our soil. Has to give you cause for pause.
Scary, huh? I think they are serious.
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Want to see something REALLY scary???
Go rent the DVD "Jesus Camp." It's like watching an hour and a half of nanny-cam filled child abuse, & so creepy I had to calm myself down with some Pat Condell & Julian Jaynes.
Want to see something REALLY scary?
Go rent the DVD "Jesus Camp." It's like watching an hour and a half of nanny-cam filled child abuse, & so creepy I had to calm myself down with some Pat Condell & Julian Jaynes.
Very scary.
Bush has done a LOT of work on this during his administration (which isn't over yet) when he could have been doing things like securing our borders. This is one of the reasons people are frightened of him and don't trust him.
I'm glad this is coming to the surface now so that Obama doesn't get blamed for all this later -- if there IS a "later."
What's scary about this is
the whack jobs who put this asinine piece together actually have followers who believe this doo-doo.
He is actually scary. What does he do in an
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Yes, very, very scary! Then
being normal becomes abnormal.
Being abnormal becomes the norm.
I am for 'live and let live!' and freedom of speech!
REALLY SCARY! -was trying to say.
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Obama scary
I plan to vote for McCain (even though he was not my first or second choice). The main reason I think Obama is scary is (and I know I'm gonna get a lot of crap about this one) universal health coverage. I've done a lot of research and seen a lot of shows about other countries that have this program and I'm convinced that it's a great idea to have everyone covered under some sort of health insurance, but what people don't realize is that just becasue you have the insurance does not mean you'll get the care you need. Do you really want to wait three weeks to get into a doctor for a sinus infection? Yes, the system we have now is flawed in MANY ways, but I don't think universal health care is the way to go and if you as anyone from Canada, they'll tell you the same thing. The other thing that scares me is his desire to sit down and talk to leaders of countries that want to see the US blown off the map. You can call McCain a warmonger all you want, but he knows that China doesn't want to have a three day picnic and talk about how we can all get along! And just for the record, I think that even though we only have McCain and Obama to choose from, it would be a HUGE mistake not to take part in the voting process. AL Gore didn't really win that election and there are many reasons why - he did win the popluar vote altogether, but he did not win the electorial vote, which is what is takes to be elected. If he had a few more votes in just a few states, that might have swung the electorial vote his way and he would have had a win (shudder). So your vote does count - please go out and make it!
Scary logic
So you would base qualification solely on his horrific experience in the POW camp? Seriously?
McCain is truly to be admired - no doubt - and ANYone who actually said "lying in a POW camp for 5 years does not make you qualified to run a counry" is despicable.
But enduring torture (at the hands of people whose country we invaded by the way, sound familiar?)
does not and SHOULD NOT automatically grant *any*one a pass to the most powerful position on the planet. If that's as far as your thinking goes, it's just scary...
PATRIOTISM, my friend, means standing up against your government on behalf of your COUNTRY! not JUST being willing to participate in any war, any where.
And being commander in chief means to ME that the person in that position would NEVER send men/women into another Vietnam OR IRAQ - and John McCain CLEARLY would like to continue the battle in many more places - but NOT in the one place where the attackers from 9/11 originated: Saudi Arabia. THAT my friend is shameful.
scary days
I will not vote republican for multiple reasons going back to the Reagun administration and I think Palin is a joke. It's like Dubya trying to put Harriett Myers on the supreme court - WHAT!!!!! Lies? Lets talk about lies. Like being led into a war with no end in sight due to LIES. Our children being slaughtered in that country for nothing - except maybe oil. Tax cuts? I don't know about you, but I'm not in the upper 10% tax bracket, so I didn't reap any benefits from the so-called "tax breaks." Lets not forget the worst deficit this country has ever seen all due to Dubya's reckless spending. And never, never, never forget Katrina. That was genocide. Let's toss in Bill Clinton's "sexual misconduct." Hmmm.....I don't want anyone in my bedroom. That was Hillary's problem - not the country's. But we have Foley playing footsie with the congressional pages, whatshisname and his wide stance in airport bathrooms and don't forget that religious nut who was good buddies with Dubya and visited the white house on occasion that was snorting meth and having sex with a male prostitute. How's that for family values????? No child left behind? What a crock. We have been manipulated over and over by the current administration as well as by the media. They swallowed the Kool-Aid, too; until Katrina. It took that disaster to open their eyes, but they seem to have closed again. We have the patriot act, no habeas corpus and if the republicans get in again, they will line up the supreme court with their right-wing fanatics who think that everyone should abide by their MORAL rules. You cannot legislate morality. And anyone with half a brain would realize that abstinence does not WORK. Palin's daughter for example. Take away birth control, take away abortion - who's going to pay for all of these kids? The republicans aren't going to fund any programs to help them. Lets just step back 50 years and start all over again. My God! Wake up! You'll find more babies in dumpsters and illegal abortions will wend their way back into society creating more misery and death. I value my rights. I value the right to decide what is best for me. I don't think it is the right of our government to determine the outcome of my life. I guess it does take 8 years to ruin a country. Look how divisive everyone is. Voting republican is voting against your own best interests. The trickle down theory DOES NOT WORK. You will not benefit from any of these proposals - they are proposed to keep big corporations and greed on the upswing. My parents retired with good pensions - will you? My parents had great insurance that paid the WHOLE bill - do you? My mother made more money when she retired (20 years ago) than I do currently. Wages have not gone up. Gas has gone up. Groceries have gone up. The cost of living has gone up as well as insurance policies, medications. Corporate America treats its employees like slaves. There is no compassion - just greed. Vote republican and you will fall on your own sword. Bill Maher said it best "Americans are stupid and are getting stupider; they deserve the leader they elect." I am praying Obama who graduated from Harvard due to his own sweat and hard work gets elected. He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he knows what it is like to be on the ugly end of the stick.
LOL, there's that scary word again:
'socialist' beliefs! Almost as scary as 'liberal' or 'progressive.'
If making health care affordable and/or available to people who are literally DYING because they can't afford it makes one a 'socialist' well BRAND me now!
I think youu missed the point: PEOPLE (in both parties)are easily manipulated into voting for a candidated for all the WRONG reasons.
and for the record MCBush is using 'CHANGE WE CAN TRUST...
and he will likely snag just as many nonthinkers with this slogan as Obama.
anybody who falls for EITHER lie is a schmuck. Nothing substantive is going to change in the US for a while... it takes a bit of time to stop imperialism.
Me too! I think Obama is the scary one (sm)
I'm no huge fan of McCain, but at least his choice of running mate is a real Republican and she seems to have a good head on her shoulders. If Obama wins I believe within a year we will be a third-world country. He wants tax payers to pay for welfare for the whole world. His goal seems to be to be President of the UN. He is ultra-left wing and his interests are not the interests of your average American IMO.
Not as scary as someone wanting to...
figure out "which factions are involved" before acting (when asked about AL Qaeda).
And I am sure Obama can emphathize with the statement "clumsy word choices" this morning.
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Truly scary stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8fSe27iloU
What's so scary about it? The man was just praying
for her. 
That is way too scary and not comforting at all
I've listened to her talk. And she can't talk. Talk about stutter, jerking movements, and what she says never has any substance. I agree Palin did a heck of a lot better in her interviews than Pelosi has ever done (and Pelosi is suppose to have some expereince in talking to the public). Keen observation about keeping the Pres & VP separated. Pelosi knows exactly what power she has and the things she can do (probably why she has that idiotic grin on her face all the time. Obama probably sees that and says, no way will Hillary be my VP. Can you imagine Hillary & Pelosi as Pres & VP - Quick where's my passport.
there is nothing scary about encouraging
I'm curous about HOW you encourage them. Do you share with them "The sleeping giant is stirring and a youthful new leader has emerged to restore us to the greatest nation in history?"
What is scary is someone willing to vote for someone....
who talks a good fight, went to a racist church for 20 years, has a far left socialist agenda, wants to fundamentally change this country to a socialist state followed closely with changing "the world."
THAT is scarier than Sarah Palin ever thought about being.
Too bad you can't get a master's degree in common sense.
That is the sad, scary truth. nm
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Oooohhhh! Scary!!!
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ayers isn't scary
He's a big fat jerk who belongs in jail. He probably feels stupid about what he did in the late 60s, realizing there really isn't anything hip or cool about it. College students shouldn't be allowed to use government money to classes from a terrorist.
This is scary stuff.
I'm totally out of the loop on this one. When did this come about? I'd like to read up more about this.
That's absolutely scary!!!(nm)
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I do believe I agree with you - oh is that scary or what - LOL
Okay, you most definitely know more about the health care system than I do. I do agree with everything you said. All I say is get health care down so people can afford it. Right now I don't care who does it, just somebody do it. I have no health care because I cannot afford it. If that makes me a socialist so be it. (ooooh, maybe I'm a closet liberal) HA HA HA HA - Please take no offense, it's late and I'm getting punchy.
On an up-note I agree with what you wrote.
That is soooo scary!
There are so many fun things to do here, why risk it in Mexico? No thank you!
They are a scary bunch aren't they?sm
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” –Thomas Jefferson
Wow. This is pretty scary stuff.
Guess there aren't too many logical conclusions that can be drawn from it other than the obvious. :-(
Scary that you would support either of those candidates.
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Um, why should we scary liberals move
and leave OUR great country to be further ruined by judgemental, ignorant "conservatives"
hasn't your pal Bush and the GOP done *enough* to ruin this country in the past 8 years?
GOT A NEWS BULLETIN FOR YA: A TINY TINY AMOUNT OF "your money" goes to help those LESS FORTUNATE THAN YOU, while a HUGE amount goes to pay for fake wars like the one in Iraq that has cost us ALL nearly A TRILLION DOLLARS.
You appear to begrudge help for the poor but don't protest the bloodbath that *you* are paying for?!!
Please conservative and liberals alike: GET A CLUE!
You are FUNDING AN ILLEGAL IMMORAL WAR ABROAD and rebuilding THEIR country, while those in need HERE continue to suffer.
protest IS patriotic.
He is a scary creature that McCain.
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I agree, Sam. That poster actually is more scary
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Interesting and scary info. Unfortunately, too many
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It IS scary. I so agree with you guys.
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