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Just an Observation, Observer.....

Posted By: whorn on 2007-10-05
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Approximately 65% of the posts on this board are made by you.  I have read some of your posts, and in one of them you state that you come here, as a conservative, mainly to read and learn.  Are you certain that this is, in fact, your main purpose for coming here? It would seem from the sheer number of your posts, well over 50% of them being made by you here, that your purpose is not to read and learn, but rather to dominate and monopolize. Just an observation....




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Oh and an observation. sm
Your a hoarder, aren't you?  You are one of those awful people who stores perceived bad things about people and then they cross you BAM!!!! It all just comes vomiting out. Yes, I know that you are and it's obvious by your posts. You are hit-below-the-belt kinda gal.  Any weapon in your arsenal, even when you are wrong and have been proven wrong, that stuff is just burned into your brain and even a hate-filled screed doesn't get it out. Not a pretty picture.
Observation....(sm)

I would agree that Obama is a pop culture thing.  However, if you sit back and look at it you will see why.  The younger generation typically gets it's news from shows like Saturday Night Live, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, etc.  All of these are slanted to the left.  The Obama campaing used the internet very successfully as well to reach the younger generation.  The republican party has done nothing like this to reach the younger voter.  Why?  If I were a young person I would look at it like, well, I guess the republican party doesn't want to take time out to actually reach us, so he must not have our interests at heart. 


This is also mirrored in the not-so-young group.  Obama was everywhere including, again, the internet, predominantly black churches, labor unions...the list goes on.  His campaign was inclusive of many.  He also had the benefit of more money which allowed for more visibility through commercials.


The McCain camp on the other hand went for predominantly white churches, less commercials, and very little internet.  I'm sure there are more than this, but I personally did not see any, and I live in TN (if you can believe that)...LOL


I think if you look at both sides you will see people just spewing out what they've heard in commercials or in speeches.  Not everyone watches cable news like most of us do.


The funny thing to me is that America voted in an African-American citizen with one parent from Africa, who admittedly not only smoked marijuana but also inhaled because *that was the point.*  ROFL.  I think it's obvious that the majority of people in this country want change.  They may not know what that change is, but they do know that what is happening now is not working.


Just an observation..sm
I do not consider myself strictly republican or democrat.  I always vote according to the issues, not the party.  Forty or 50 years ago it seemed that the working class folks were democrat and the upper class folks were republican.  There were not as many social issues involved in politics.  I was just a little kid back then, but I recall my father being a "democrat".  Jumping ahead to now, there are a lot of older folks in my area, especially rural areas, that don't look at issues at all, don't even know what the candidates support, but by golly, they are voting democrat all the way.
Just an observation...(sm)
The group "2 Million For Marriage" would like you to call them "2M4M."  Do these people not look up anything?  ROFL.
Just an observation here,
but wasn't he sworn in on a bible, and not a koran?  I think he just did not want photographs living on and on with him standing in front of a cross.  (Just in case he wants to hedge his bets.)
Just an observation...sm
I am not republican or democrat...I make my voting choices based on issues. I would just like to make an observation here. Maybe I haven't paid really close attention to political stuff in the past, but I don't know that I have ever seen this Country more split that it is right now. I have never seen or heard such irresponsible, selfish and disrespectful actions from Congress as they have done in the last year or so. It seems that no one, and I mean NO ONE, in Washington cares about the future of the United States, only about themselves or certain groups who they think can give them something. I'm not trying to start any arguing back and forth. I just needed to say this.
Observer

Shame on you for touting your song.  Why be proud to be a racist?  I grew up in a semi-southern town where they had one of the last lynchings of multiple black males in the U.S.  There was a PBS special done on this town if you have any interest.  It makes me sickened and ashamed, now proud.

I could cite the legion problems still present in today's south - poor counties/states in the US, worst school performance, corruption, civil rights issues.....but I won't.

Below is exactly why the south NEEDS a greater range of folks with differing philosophies/political persuasion.  This is an excerpt by a musical analyst:


The lines in "Sweet Home Alabama" are a direct response to Young's anti-racist, anti-cross burning "Southern Man" and "Alabama" songs. Lynyrd Skynyrd's comeback was intended to mean, essentially, "Thank you for your opinion Neil, now leave us alone."

It is this perceived "attitude" which has led to Lynyrd Skynyrd earning a reputation as a "racist" band. Not withstanding the fact that the band often performed with a Confederate flag as a backdrop

Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Sweet Home Alabama" meaning is often interpreted as being "racist" because of the the lyrics reference "In Birmingham [where a black church was bombed killing 4 young girls] they love the governor [George Wallace]" who was a segrationist.

Furthermore, Lynyrd Skynyrd sang "Now Watergate does not bother me". Sadly, it would seem not only were Lynard Skynard untroubled by racism but were not terribly concerned by corruption at the highest levels of the U.S. government.


Thank you Dr. Observer. sm
However, I have to believe your personal party affilitation is having way too much sway on your "diagnosis."   There is plenty of dysfunction on here.  I don't particularly like being called a liar.  I defend myself and my country and a president I happen to admire.  That irritates you into a frenzy and you take the logical calm approach to insult me with your lame diagnosis!  If you don't like my posts, DON'T READ THEM. How hard is that?  I ask you.
Hey observer
do 20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage? Would you explain why God would take the life if life begins in utero?
Observer...sm
I suggest you don't put your faith in politics. I know that NOTHING will happen to me or my family for generations to come unless it is the will of the Lord. Forgive my optimism, but I will not have you sign my death certificate prematurily. If we are so weak that we fear going out in crowds, then we need to concentrate our efforts on securing our own country more so than Iraq.

Politically, I have NEVER agreed with invading Iraq, ever. I believed the head insepctor when he said there were no WMDs. I didn't see then and I don't see now how that was a logical response to 9-11. Go back and check it, Congress did not vote for going into Iraq specifically, but they did give Bush autonomy to make that decision should it become a necessary option. Bad decision. I disagree with Kerry, Hillary and all the other democrats who cosigned on that, but everyone's adrenalin was pumping after 9-11 and who wanted to look *soft on terror.* I think averting attention from bin Laden to Sadaam was the biggest spin of the century.

So now we're in Iraq, and the only news we get back from over there are death counts, bombings, etc. What is the progress? Seriously, what is the progress? Are we winning the minds and hearts of the Iraqis like we won the mind and heart of bin Laden when we helped him in Afghanistan? I have said before in order to win the war in Iraq we need to go in strong and hit them with all we got. I would not like it, but I would support that. I think that is the only way our soldiers can walk out of that country with the mission accomplished. More innocents will die, more US soldiers will die, but that is the only way to WIN. If we are not in it to win, then we should come home. What we are doing now is policing and I don't agree with that. The US taxpayers are not responsible for Iraqi citizens' safety. Tell that to people who are terrorized by criminals in their own homes right here in the US daily.

If we leave Iraq it will be a defeat for the US, but the battle was not ours to begin with. It is not easy, but we have a choice to make. I want to believe that most or ALL Iraqis will stand up and hold the US flag high and thank us for our sacrifice one day, but I don't believe in fairy tales. We should be careful, because we could be training the next group of 9-11 attackers.
Observer...
you have articulated excellently a lot of my concerns about a Democratic administration. One of my greatest frustrations with the war is that so many do not seem to understand that, in many ways, to this enemy (radical Islamist terrorists), appearance is everything.

In many ways they seem to me to be like Klingons - emboldened by and contemptuous of any show of weakness, even if it would seem superficially to be to their advantage.

If we are to succeed against this enemy, it seems to me that we must embrace two characteristics which have become somewhat foreign to the political process - strength and honor. We must be willing to do what we say we will do (i.e., stay in Iraq until they establish a stable government, as we promised them we would do) and enforce our own demands through whatever force is necessary. To do otherwise merely encourages the Jihadists to ongoing violence.

Unfortunately, I doubt in this era that any administration will have the fortitude for such action, particularly in the face of unrelenting media coverage of every setback. Like you, I have certainly seen nothing from any Democratic spokesperson save possibly Joe Lieberman to indicate to me any level of understanding of the enemy we face or the gravity of the consequences of failure.
It's all about them, Observer.
It has always been all about them.  The leftists are starting to write articles now and make public appearances, admitting that they don't care about the troops at all.  They don't even have much invested in peace. They want radical change by radical means and they do not care who gets hurt in the process.  In the civil rights days, protest really did effect needed change.  But it hasn't since then and is a tool of the left to get what they want.  Imagine, Jane Fonda protesting at The Wall.  How much more of a slap in the face to our veterans can you get.  I am dumbfounded at this insult to our veterans.  I know many of them will be there to protest HER being there and I wish I were one of them.
You are right, Observer. sm
These people are not what they seem.  See link below for the real story. 
Oh please, Observer.

You seem to be putting words in my mouth.  I never said I supported partial-birth abortions.  I definitely do not and never have.  I'm talking about abortions that occur before 3 months gestational age.  Do you really think that fetus can register pain at that point?  Just because YOUR religion tells you that babies have a soul before they're born does not make it so - it's just a theory from your religion's mythology.  It just drives me nuts when people act like their religion has the only correct answers and try to get others to believe it as well.


I think it is well known that many children are suffering in the US, and you are asking to put thousands (millions?) more kids into an already strained system.  You must remember all of our discussions about the SCHIP program. Although many Republicans supported the bill, what the bill was ultimately missing was support from Republicans - the party that is almost exclusively pro-life yet didn't seem to mind children from lower-middle income families suffering without healthcare.  Pretty hypocritical if you ask me. (And yes, I know you think the bill was flawed, blah, blah, blah, but the fact remains kids are going without healthcare due to that decision).


You want state-to-state decisions made, so what happens to the women whose state doesn't allow abortion?  What if she cannot afford to travel to a state where it is legal?  You ask why her life is more important?  What if she is a mother?  What if she dies and leaves her other chidren motherless? Her family and friends would be devastated, whereas a fetus in the womb does not have these connections with others yet, and I still maintain that a fetus that young is not even capable of feeling pain.  You have your opinion and your religious agenda, and that's your choice, but I don't think it is a smart choice to make abortions illegal, even in some states, as I truly believe women will have abortions regardless of legality.


Okay Observer...

it's Sunday, and I have a ton of work to do so I will try to make this brief.  First of all, I do not hate you - I just don't like to be told the same things over and over again about your beliefs when I already know where you stand on pretty much every issue that is brought up.  Some people may not have heard your views yet, and as I said, you certainly have the right to state them again and again, but that doesn't mean I don't have a right to be annoyed by them.


As for hating George W. Bush.  I don't recall ever stating that, but I do think he is the most horrible president in the history of America and that he is destroying our nation and running us into an enormous deficit.  I personally do not like to argue with people who defend Bush simply because if nothing that has gone on over the last 7 years has convinced them that Bush is a horrible president, then obviously nothing I can say will either.


I also don't despise Christians.  I just get sick of many religions starting wars in the name of God and hating others (gays, children out of wedlock, etc.) because the bible tells them these things are against God so therefore many religious people think this hate is justified.  I know not all religious people are that hateful, and I actually have numerous friends who attend church regularly.  I just think it's kind of silly to say we have to live by what the bible says when it was written sooooo long ago and so much has changed.  It has also been interpreted so many times that who knows how much of the original content is even there or how it's been maneuvered.  I do think the bible has some great stories and inspirational quotes - I just get annoyed when people are always like "bible says!" like they can't possibly be wrong because the "bible says."  I actually believe in God and say prayers every night and teach my children about God too.  Church just isn't for me.  I live in the most beautiful state in America - I don't need to go sit in a church to get close to God!  Church has helped some of my friends who have lost loved ones, and for them it is a great thing.  So no, I don't hate Christians, but I am very sick of people killing others all over the world in the name of God - it's obviously the exact opposite of what God would want, and I will never understand their logic.  Wouldn't God just be happy they are worshipping him in their own way?


Hey Observer.....

Hey observer didn't you steal someone else's moniker also?


Just another quick observation...
when Clinton came to OKC after the Murrah bombing, even though he is not anywhere on my list of favorite people, I was happy that he came and represented the office and spoke to we Oklahomans. It was moving and I was very, very happy that he came. What I did NOT do, and what NO conservative I was aware of did, was complain that why did he come there and NOT go to the funerals of those soldiers who were killed and their bodies dragged behind Jeeps in Somalia. Why, you ask? Because the two had absolutely NOTHING to do with each other. And to try to make political hay out of what happened at Virginia Tech is immature, thoughtless, and another hurt to add to those poor folks in VA trying to deal with this. War is awful, hateful, and NOBODY wants it; however, death has always been associated with war. However, going to your class innocently on any April day and having a lunatic come in and shoot 32 of you is FAR different. And if you really cannot see the difference and the emotional effect, not just you but a great many on the left, need to really sit down and examine your values. Seriously.
A Realist's Observation...

Got this email this morning...


George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first SIX, with a conservative majority, the economy was fine.


A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%, the lowest in decades.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high—peaked over 14,000
5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!...


But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and we got 'CHANGE'.
In the PAST YEAR:
1) Consumer confidence has plummeted;
2) Gasoline is went over $4 a gallon & STILL unstable!;
3) Unemployment is up over 5.5%;
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) And THE DOW is probing another low~~$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS has evaporated from their stocks, bonds, and mutual fund investment portfolios.



Let’s not forget, the President has little control over any of these issues…ONLY CONGRESS.
And what has Congress done in the last two years?.....NOTHING!



NOW the candidates CLAIM they are going to really give us change…along with this same democratic Congress????


I don’t think we can stand much more 'CHANGE' like this….


What's y'alls' take on it...??


Excellent observation
Truth is truth and facts are facts. No matter how much you hate someone and think their dummer than a rock, you can't put the blame all on him. Everytime the democrats get into office the economy goes down the tubes. The facts are that the congress votes on issues (not George Bush).

Love the observation. Thanks.
I'm just making an observation (sm)
If there are any FACTS (and I'm not talking about an interpretation) relevant to this election from pubs on here, please feel free to point them out.  I am honestly trying to understand why people would vote for McCain. 
Great observation
I haven't thought of that aspect of all this hoopla and flash that has accompanied this whole election/inauguration. I'm not worried as much about him as I am his snooty, snobbish, holier than thou wife! She already has a goddess complex, I sure hate to see what all this is going to do to her. Seriously, can she get her nose any higher? Looking down on people like she's so above them, makes me sick.
You certainly have that one right - good observation
If only more people would realize this.
Good observation
You said it. It's sad to see that it's not balanced anymore and people don't want to hear the truth. My MIL thrives on bashing the republicans and the conservative shows. She listens to the way way left and all she can do is gloat about Obama winning and how perfect and handsome he is and she'll actually come out and state what she wants to happen to anyone who is a republican. The same thing she's screaming about if it happened to Obama but its okay if it happens to a republican. It's just very sad that this is what our country has turned into. - Zero tolerance for anyone who has a different viewpoint.

You are deifinitely right about the liberal rigging the game.
It was just an obvious observation.....
nm
An astute observation!! look it up!!!!
xx
Thanks for posting, Observer
Also to those donating money, please be aware that the FEMA site list of receiving agencies includes mostly faith-based groups after the Red Cross, which is not necessarily a bad thing at all, except the Operation Blessings charity which is Pat Robertson's group. He must need another diamond mine in South Africa. You might want to skip that one.
Didn't say you did...it was Observer
who asked me. It went like this (I think) I asked if you and AG did anything besides rant on about the left. Did you have **legs** that  led you to do anything constructive with or for the stay the course people. Observer answered and said a bunch of stuff and then at the end, she said, what do you do??? where are your legs and mouth, so I answered her. That is how it went.
Please do not respond observer
Please do not respond to my posts *Observer*.  This is the liberal board and my posts are to my fellow democrat/liberals not to a ring winger.  I have nothing in common with you or right wingers, in fact, I cannot stomach right wingers, their ideas, what they have done to this country under their president.  Do youself a favor, go back to the conservative board or just skip over my posts and dont even read them.
On the contrary, Observer...
I am using my right of free speech to encourage others to disregard what I believe to be a forum that you created for your own personal agenda. This is not the forum for debate between conservative and liberal points of view. This posting site is not titled "political debate". Nor is it supposed to provide fodder for you to chew on.

I will speak for most of us in that we do not have a lot of time in the day to try to strike up a conversation amongst ourselves under the liberal forum, and when we to get time to log on, we don't want to have to sift through it, and we shouldn't have to.

If political debate is your preferred forum, perhaps you should email admin to add another posting site to accommodate it?

If you can accomplish this, I would gladly log on and argue point to point with you, but until then I would appreciate it if you stayed on the conservative posting.
Oh, Observer. I wondered where you'd been. sm
By the way, 'sm' means 'see message' (as opposed to 'nm' meaning 'no message'). Doesn't mean 'small message' as far as I know.

I agree with that last paragraph that kitty wrote. And I don't know where you're getting your statistics either, because poll after poll has shown that the vast majority of Americans are in favor of abortion remaining legal during the 1st trimester. Less (but still a majority) are in favor of abortion remaining legal up to the 2nd trimester, but not after that.

What I get from your posts is that when someone mentions 'abortion' you picture a healthy, full-term infant of 9 months' gestation, angelic and cooing happily in its crib, being viciously 'murdered.' Obviously, that is not what takes place when the pregnancy is under 3 months.

Me, I picture a cluster of cells that may or may not have gone on to become a person. After all, it's been estimated that 50% of all human conceptions end in spontaneous abortion ('miscarriage'), usually w/o a woman even knowing she was pregnant. And in fact, 20% of all recognized pregnancies end in miscarriages. That is just human biology. Are you weeping and wailing for all those 'children'?

I don't believe there is any suffering of the embryo in that case, or in a 1st (or even 2nd) trimester abortion, but there is *plenty* of suffering of the unwanted children that are already here on this Earth and being abused and neglected.

Make safe, medical abortions illegal, and that suffering will grow exponentially with more unwanted children, as well as more women who will die or be injured during an illegal, unsafe abortion - because abortions will still take place.

IMO, on both 'sides' of the issue, we should all be working towards reducing the number of unplanned pregnancies in the first place by demanding better education, better birth control methods, and better access and affordability to birth control.

Not a Palin observer as you obviously are
xx
From an objective observer.
nothing further to add to te nothingness of this post
Not to get a fight started...just an observation...
that little twinge is probably be the Holy Spirit and you would be well served to maybe listen to it....? Or perhaps you think not listening to the twinge in favor of listening to John Edwards is the better path.

God bless!
Attack versus observation

So if someone called me a big, fat, smelly, ugly, loud-mouthed, foul hag that could qualify as an observation (in your words) and would therefore be acceptable?  I mean, technically someone could say they OBSERVED these traits in me.  When does something cross the line and become a personal attack?


My take on all this is that if it originates from one of the C-posters it's an observation.  If it originates from an L-poster it's an attack.  Not always, but in general.  Could be due to the whole political board system have a very very far right-leaning slant........


Merely an observation. I'll pass on this and
Sam is hateful because sam is hateful. Her posts speak for themselves.
You make an important observation.
The "arrogance" and "elite" accusations are tactics used ad nauseum in the absence of direct debate on issues, when trying to avoid confronting talking points that have been raised and when trying to run from fact and valid observations/opinions. Usually these accusations are made by folks whose own fund of knowledge is limited on the issues at hand and who are not inspired to research to broaden their own fact base in rebuttal.

This is when the accusations surface and attitudes are substituted for intelligent discourse. You are right. The confusion you describe and accusations of this nature are typically leveled against Obama, who does display confidence, intelligence, substance and ability to lead, which unnerves his detractors and send them into fits and tantrums.
Don't go there - I made that observation last week
and got shredded apart for it.  I thought it was freaky, but all the super-dems took major offense to it.  It was just an observation on my part.
This observation is made by a Canadian MT.
Go Obama! Hilliary in 2012. The world is watching and the world says VOTE OBAMA.


Intelligence offends you? Just an observation.
Oh oh, another big word....
Excellent post and observation
You saw the same thing I did too. The Queen would never be so low class to point out one's error in front of others. MO should not have put her hand on the Queen's back, shoulder or touched her anywhere. She should have shook her hand and that was it.
Observer, did you say WONKY?? TeeHee

WE KNOW Observer. You have made your stance
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Are Observer and Americangirl the same person?
You guys seem to have exactly the same extremely conservative viewpoint on just about everything, so I'm just wondering.
Observer, please ignore my posts
Observer, please do not respond to my posts as you are not going to get any answers to your questions from me. I do not read your posts.  They are con propaganda.  My posts are for fellow democrats.  You are wasting you time and energy reading and responding to my posts.
curious - if Observer is not liberal, why always here?

...speaking for myself, as an observer of your style...s/m
of supposed "debate" -- I can see why some people would prefer to avoid you.

It really adds nothing when you insult other posters like this. Why can't you accept an opinion, when everyone here who knows politics, is very aware of things that have happened over the past few months? Just because someone doesn't feel like typing out what has been discussed and debated here for the last few months does not make them less intellectual than you.

I rather admire them for refusing to be baited by your antagonistic style of posting.


Being an objective observer, the repugnants appear to be the most evil.
Defend the republican party all you want with your self-righteousness, but in the end the republican party will always be a party that represents big business and the rich.

You religious right wingers, rednecks who were undereducated and/or raised by a long line of redneckers will never get it so I won't even address you as your perception of reality is hopelessly distorted.

However, I will say that, anyone who makes under 250 grand a year and who votes for the republican tick is a fool.

This next presidential term will all be about taxes now that Georgie has sold out the country to foreign lands to pay for his war and cover his tax cuts to the wealthy, and someone's taxes are going to be raised and if you vote republican and earn less than 250 grand, it will be YOURS.

Funding under republicans will also be cut to social services and that means more crime, and if your town is like mine, police and fire departments are laying off due to budget cuts - hey, what an oxymoron, cutting police forces while fighting terrorism.

Republicans are not for the people whatever you say. They pander to the religious right and those high school drop out rednecks for the votes. Abortion is and always will happen as it has since the beginning of time and I don't think you will ever stop it from happening. You can try to romanticize reproduction all you want but in this world, as we watch babies starving, dying from curable disease and, even raped, it just doesn't hold water.

Republicans are as evil as greed is evil.

Your arguments are weak as always.
I made a general observation relative to the post.
nm
Check the source for Observer's Murtha article....

It is from a right-wing pro-war blog called "Politico."  If you read a more non-partisan source you'll find that Murtha added a very large caveat to his comment.


Observer's "facts" would be so much more credible if she would quit posting from right-wing partisan sources.  If I were to repeatedly or constantly post on the Conservative board what I thought was the "truth" and all backed up by far left-wing blogs/publications I don't think I'd get very far and after I while I'd probably try to provide more non-partisan sources for my statements if I wanted to be viewed as the least bit credible.   


Observer is not a troll, but does debate. Posters here need to understand
this.  You are welcome to debate here or on the Conservatives board.  Debate IS allowed on both forums.  Again, there will be no additional forum strictly for debates as it can be conducted in a respectful fashion on either of our two political forums.