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LOL, looks like the elitist needs some new shoes

Posted By: HOLES on 2008-09-22
In Reply to: Have I shown you my favorite pic of our elitist? - This was taken during the primaries.

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I've been in your shoes.....sm
Last year, when a raging wildfire was two miles on the other side of our small town here in Montana, our local sheriff's dept from 60 miles away, came at 2 a.m. to knock on our door and give us a mandatory evacuation.

We chose to stay and hunker down, as you mention. The fire could have roared through here during the night, and my husband and I would have been goners. But that was our choice, at the time, and no one else could make that choice for us, or help us any more than they had. We stayed for the entire month, until it was out, as we chose to.

Part of the problem seems to be your local government and local media. You should think and do for you and your family what needs to be done, what you feel needs to be done. You shouldn't take it out on the people on this board, if they do not understand exactly what you mean.

And if you're so upset by media blitz on the election coverage, you should take it up with your local govt once things calm down after the storm, and tell them how neglected you feel during all of this. They are the ones that should be helping you, and are not.

And please be safe. Even though you think the conservatives on this board could care less, that's the furthest thing from the truth. You must do what you need to do. And getting angry at people here, doesn't help your situation, and takes away from what you ability to make decisions to help your family, right there where you are. This board isn't what's important. You and your family are.

Be safe.

Regardless, it's still there, stuck on our shoes...

Speaking of shoes, I'd (NOT) like to walk...

...a mile in the shoes of the average Iraqi citizen.  Bush totally destroyed their country.  Last I heard, there STILL wasn't water or electricity in parts of the country that we demolished.  As bad as Saddam Hussein was, at least he kept Iran out of Iraq because they were mortal enemies. 


They didn't do anything to us.  Bush invented fiction about WMD and AL Qaeda and started a war based on lies.  He said way back in 1999 that if he ever had the chance to invade Iraq, he would. 


http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050620/why_george_went_to_war.php


Where I come from, that's called "premeditation."  We went in and demolished their country.  Bush knew IEDs would be a threat to our troops, yet he REFUSED to supply them with vehicles that would protect our soldiers from them. 


http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-12-08-mrap_N.htm


If we remained concentrated on Afghanistan, we'd have caught Osama bin Laden by now.  This just begs the question of WHY bin Laden suddenly lost his "importance" to Bush and Iraq suddenly became the focus after 9/11.  Perhaps bin Laden is worth more to Bush politically if he is alive. 


Bush gave a presidential coin to the grieving mother of a dead soldier and told her, "Don't go sell it on eBay."  http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/05/bush_to_mother_dont_sell_on_eb.html


Bush used Pat Tillman as a recruiting poster boy while he was alive, and after he was killed under suspicious circumstances (http://www.house.gov/list/press/ca15_honda/SEPT06CORPTILLMAN.html), Tillman's family was told that Tillman was nothing but "worm dirt" because they weren't Christian.  http://crooksandliars.com/2007/04/24/pats-worm-dirt/


KBR (Cheney's Halliburton subsidiary) provided WASTEWATER for bathing and drinking, etc. to our troops for almost TWO YEARS.  Does that fall under Rumsfeld's assertion that, "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want?" or does it simply display complete contempt and disrespect for our soldiers? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/10/AR2008031002487.html


There are just so many bad things and questions surrounding the war itself.  When you add Bush's contempt for our troops, his cockiness and that smirk, it's a wonder that ALL he got thrown in his face was a shoe.


In fact, he was interviewed after the "shoe" attack.  A portion of it is copied and pasted below.  He used the same old "al Qaeda in Iraq" excuse, and when it was pointed out that al Qaeda wasn't IN Iraq until WE got there, his answer was, "So what?"


You can see the interview at http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bush_Im_not_insulted_by_thrown_1215.html


The question and answer where he says, "So what?" starts at approximately 2:00.


During the interview, Bush says his legacy will "take time," but includes No Child Left Behind and "52 months of uninterrupted job growth," then speaks about his role in "protecting" America after 9/11. He mentions that al Qaeda has turned out to be a problem in Iraq.

Raddatz points out that al Qaeda didn't choose to make Iraq a base to fight from until after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.  Bush's response? "Yeah, that's right. So what?"


I still fear the extent of the damage this man can do before Obama is sworn in -- assuming Obama IS sworn in -- (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Parowan_Prophet_Obama_wont_make_it_1214.html) (and if he isn't, it won't have anything to do with God; rather someone who is GodLESS; don't need to be a "prophet" to predict THAT).


That shoe was thrown at Bush because he has created such destruction, disdain distrust and disrespect in Iraq, as he has done in America, as well.


I wonder why he never threw his shoes at Saddam!
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waling a mile in their shoes

Marmann: 


I agree with your statement; I have a son who just came back from there (he's been in the military for 19 years), and he states it is far worse than we know.  He told me 'mom, I have seen a lot of things in my service to this country, but to see what I have seen there"..and he can't talk about it further because he breaks down in tears, especially when he talks about the children and friends he has lost because of this so-called war..it's heartbreaking.. He is home now, he has one more year left and after that he says he will retire.  War through a soldier's eyes and heart go beyond devastation; that is why so many of our husbands, sisters, fathers and even mothers who serve our country who come back from war broken because through their eyes and hearts - they know things that they can never and will never discuss with anyone.


waling a mile in their shoes

Marmann: 


I agree with your statement; I have a son who just came back from there (he's been in the military for 19 years), and he states it is far worse than we know.  He told me 'mom, I have seen a lot of things in my service to this country, but to see what I have seen there"..and he can't talk about it further because he breaks down in tears, especially when he talks about the children and friends he has lost because of this so-called war..it's heartbreaking.. He is home now, he has one more year left and after that he says he will retire.  War through a soldier's eyes and heart go beyond devastation; that is why so many of our husbands, sisters, fathers and even mothers who serve our country who come back from war broken because through their eyes and hearts - they know things that they can never and will never discuss with anyone.


How do you know I haven't walk a mile in their shoes?

You don't have one iota of a clue what I've been through in my life.  So, your trying to portray me as some mean spirited soul who doesn't have a clue what tough times are is very presumptious of you.  I have walked some very difficult roads.  I could write a book about what has happened to me that was not my fault, but I dealt with it.  I received help and was grateful, and once I had a leg up I took it from there.  I never once complained about what the government wasn't doing for me.


I'm not saying that the situation in Lebanon is easy or fair.  However, at some point people have to take the consequences of their choices and live with them and not criticize the help they are given.  If these people weren't whining while being evacuated from their country on a luxury cruisde ship with all the amenties I would have kept my mouth shut, but the audacity of people to complain about THEIR RESCUERS goes beyond being ungrateful.  Now, if I was standing on a corner telling a mentally challenged homeless person to suck it up and get a job then your sermons would have been called for, but these are people who went to Lebanon with the money out of their pocket knowing full well the dangers there.  I really can't believe you are comparing the dangers of Beirut, Lebanon to any American city, but then again I don't choose to walk through the worst neighbohoods in my city at night either.  Anyway, there is no comparison.


How about the choice to blow someone away for their tennis shoes?
Should we stay out of that personal business too?
Throwing Shoes at President Bush

I just saw a story on Headline News Network about the shoe-throwing incident, and they said the people of Iraq are divided on how they feel about it, but nobody feels it was wrong, half of them think it was the right thing to do and half think it was an embarrassment but not necessarily the wrong thing to do.


so if they feel that way, let's bring our precious sons and daughters home, and never go back.  Our finances are in crisis, we can't afford to be spending billions where we're not wanted.  What's the point of being there and spending all this money we could be using in much better ways. Why keep risking the lives of our troops for people who don't appreciate it at all?  I'm no political genius, far from it, but plain old common sense says this is just wrong!


Not just elitist...
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He is an elitist because: sm
Posted By: bebepples @ 09/21/2008 9:53:02 PM

Comment: So, McCain has 13 cars - a bit excessive, but why should we begrudge his success? The Dems can play the class warfare game all they want - it won't work. A person is elitist, not based on what they own, but on what their view of the "common folk" is - and Barack certainly feels he is above us gun-toting religion "clingers". Anybody who has the "audacity" to write two autobiographies before he has accomplished anything is out of touch...


Ain't nothing elitist about being an MT or a Dem.
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All that tells me is he doesn't want to break in a new pair of shoes...
can't say as I blame him. lol.
What an elitist prig you are. SM

You speak to this to everyone who does not agree with you.  I doubt seriously that you are in any Jewish discussion groups.  The media say that American Jews are split pretty much 50/50 on what is happening in Israel and you are absolutely WRONG that those in Gaza were all radical Jews (define a radical Jew, please).  Your elitism and ignorant remarks continue to amaze hourly. I can't imagine any discussion group that would find your input of any value because you don't discuss, you lecture and brook no refutation or differing viewpoint.  I would love to see Alan or Kfir in a debate with you.  That would be very interesting. 


Obama is an elitist......nm

Elitist and condescending much?? nm
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It's likely she meant ELITIST. nm

NEWS FLASH - Michelle wears flat shoes a lot!!
What in the world can we read into this?
What an elitist thing to say. No, these are the people
who have lost their jobs, have had any raises or pay increased put on hold, the people whose companies have changes insurances and the decuctible are ridiculous. These are the people who may have had unexpected medical expenses. These are the people who are living paycheck to paycheck because they have run through the savings to pay for gas to get to work. These are the people who are having to pay for certain things for their kids to go or get to school because the schools can't afford it anymore, i.e. books and the bus. If you think the only people suffering through that are the people who are wasting all of their money smoking and drinking, you are ignorant.
An elitist statement? No, it was/is the truth.
As I stated above, he has his finger on the pulse of PA people and people around the country who are disgruntled at losing their jobs.  He is most definitely right about how small-town folk are feeling.  Elitism?  No, it is called empathy which means he can put himself in other people's shoes.  What he said is the truth as I am from PA, and the people will tell you themselves that they ARE bitter, and they DO cling to guns and religion.  He was/is not looking down on them, only telling it like it is.
Have I shown you my favorite pic of our elitist?
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You don't get more elitist than Cindy McCain
Botox, head bobbing facelifted freak.  She was the other woman.  Just a few years ago Repubs screamed family values and no divorce... now nobody mentions how McCain ditched his poor disabled wife for Cindy.
Well there is a condescending elitist statement....lol.
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Is Obama an elitist because he is better educated than McCain?
What do you think makes Obama an elitist?
Republicans have a lot of nerve calling Obama an elitist! (nm)
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They must be snobby, elitist, liberal drug dealers, huh! (nm)
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Thank you for the elitist, condescending, loyal-to-the-party post...but the juvenile playground name
should be left on the playground.

Bottom line...Joe Biden is a liar. Whether he lied about being John McCain's friend or he lied when he attacked him...he lied. He is a liar. Look it up in your Funk and Wagnall's. If being devoid of character is what floats your boat, great. If loyalty to the party means checking your integrity at the door, so be it. If people want to associate with people of that "ilk" (your word, not mine), so be it. You might try looking up honesty and integrity while you are at it.

You criticize Bush for saying you are with us or you are against us, but isn't that exactly what you are saying here? If you aren't willing to do whatever it takes to put forward the party, then we don't want you...you're against us. Hey kettle..you are as black as the pot.

Your two posts are much more acidic than mine ever thought about being. Exactly what principles are you loyal to? I always thought honesty and integrity were principles. Hmmm. Well I guess not part of your party principles.

No, au contraire, I am sure you are a proud democrat. I am sure liberals are proud to be liberals. That is not in question. Whatever the cost, no matter what lies have to be told, what friends cast under the bus...

And in case you had not noticed, there are a lot of Americans out here who are not tied to the "party" like you are. This is probably the same kind of talk that was abounding in the National Social German worker's party. Look THAT up in your Funk and wagnall's while you are at it.

And before your head spins around and you spit fire...I don't think for a minute, thank GOD, that all Democrats share your hard line loyalty to the party at all costs.

Lady, you're scary.