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Make that Compassionate conservatism

Posted By: A. Nonymous on 2009-03-09
In Reply to: Compassionate conservativism - 2 - A. Nonymous

Oh, duh! 


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Compassionate conservatism

Two years ago I took in a friend who had fallen on hard times.  We have known one another since high school, over 40 years.  For the last several years she had been living with relatives who by her account were very mean to her and treated her as a sort of  servant.  She had lost a small disability pension, with its medical insurance, and had gone through all of her meager savings.  Her disabilities are of the vague, undiagnosable type:  Diffuse pain, muscle spasms, respiratory problems, palpitations, strange allergic reactions to foods/ medications/environmental irritants.  She was accident prone, unable to concentrate and had out-of-control emotions a lot of the time.  I  attributed much of  this to the stress of  her living situation and could see no way to help her, other than getting her out of what seemed to be a very hostile environment.


 


So  I made this offer:  Move in with me and regroup.  No one will harm you here.  Get your mind and body back in some kind of balance.  File your pension appeal.  Another friend told me of an attorney who had handled her similar appeal.  I shared my car with her, since hers had bitten the dust years before.  I was determined not to pressure her, but to let her manage her own financial, physical and emotional recovery. 


 


No one forced me to do this.  I  shared my home,  provided food, shelter and transportation without expecting a cent, out of friendship.  You have no idea what this offer has cost me.  The monetary issue is quite secondary to the peace and tranquility I  (who have lived alone for most of the last 40 years and loved it)  have sacrificed.  And it is true what they say:  You don’t really know someone until you live with them.


 


For more than a year, nothing much changed and I grew very tired of her constant whining and self-pity.  It seemed that the more I did for her, the more she needed me to do (but only those things she would accept - I could keep my advice to myself.)  And I grew weary of hearing her complain that I am so fortunate, that I cannot possibly feel her pain, nor can I  possibly understand that she can’t concentrate on her pension paperwork for more than a few minutes at a time, can’t bear to sit and type, can’t read the fine print without her vision blurring.  My offers to help her with this - after all, I type medical and psych stuff for a living - were refused over and over.  Her filing deadline came and went, and that opportunity was lost forever.  She claimed the lawyer never told her there was such a deadline.  I guess it was my fault for not finding her a better attorney.  Now each month she gets a bill from him.


 


Every serious conversation went in circles and ended in tears and recriminations from her.  Now I was the one being mean to her.  Frankly, I could barely stand being in the same room, yet she followed me around asking why we never talked anymore.  So after 15 months I was forced to go all *tough-love* on her.  I gave her an ultimatum (the or-else unspecified) that within 60 days I must see some progress with her situation.  She had to file for SSDI, Medicaid, food stamps, find some psychological help, go to a free medical and vision clinic, etc.  I provided all the contact information she would need.  I was willing to support her, but was not going to bankrupt my self assuming her medical and legal bills for the rest of her life. 


 


And still, 50 days later I  saw no indication that she had done anything.  Not wanting to wait for the 60th day and my bluff to be called, I finally had to be so mean that she was forced to turn to the county mental health system.  This was the only way I could see to get her some help.  Taking her back to her family was not an option and I was not going to send her to live under a bridge (a very real possibility.)


 


Since then she has had a social worker leading her through the application process for all those services, and she is now accepting advice from the social worker that had been unacceptable when it came from me.   


 


So here’s the thing.  I have a new perspective on her family members, who were probably doing their own version of  tough love, but would never think of throwing her butt out.  My friend maintains that if she were still living with them, she would have ended up at county mental health just the same.  Nonsense!  Without some imminent threat, she would still be crying on my shoulder daily about her nasty family and their lack of understanding.


 


By being too kind (a democrat) I was enabling my friend to put off indefinitely doing anything to help herself.  I had to stop giving her fish and put a fishing pole within reach (become a republican).  It was up to her to pick it up and start feeding herself.  It is clear that she genuinely has problems but that she is also capable of doing what is required, when properly motivated.  I had to get downright ugly about it, and her social worker now sets tasks and deadlines to keep her on track.  She sees a counselor.  She gets medications.  She qualified for food stamps.  She has been approved for SSDI and Medicaid.  For most of her life she paid into these systems and now it is only fair she receive something back when she needs it.   Maybe I will even get my friend back and enjoy her company again.  


 


And this whole scenario is how a helping hand is supposed to go.  Wherever possible charity should be voluntary, not compulsory.  Nobody forced me help; I did it voluntarily, out of affection.  But even friendship and compassion have their limits; love and goodwill can be strained to breaking.  There is a place for government assistance,  but turning to the government should be the last resort, not the first.  And you have to try to help yourself first.


 


And now Obama, et al, want to REQUIRE me to do this for a bunch of strangers as well?  No thanks, I already gave.


Yeah, right; I forgot, more compassionate conservatism.

Conservatism and feminism oxyMORON.
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What is not compassionate about that?
I said we all agreed we should insure all children. I merely said that that should get top priority among social programs. Why is that not compassionate? What is wrong with prioritizing the spending? We cannot go on forever, more programs, more taxes, more programs, more taxes...I don't know about you, but 35-40% off the top of my paycheck already makes it difficult to make a living and make my own insurance premiums. I am in medical transcription so I am by no means rich. Keep taxing me and I will need programs to get by. Now is that going to help anything? If we cannot prioritize spending 35-40% of the nation's income off the top, we a real problem, friend. We cannot do every thing for every person. So let's prioritize. Let the children's health coverage come first, and prioritize from there on down. Why is that not compassionate? Do you feel that illegals should have access to all our social programs? Do you seriously feel that??
Compassionate? Hardly, I think.......... sm
but you may be on to something about engineering healthy future generations of government workers who will be physically and mentally able to repay this enormous debt.
Could you be any more judgemental, any less compassionate?
You said: "I do not want to TAKE CARE of any more people. He should be preaching get up, get an education, take care of yourselves."

Do you think he should preach 'GET UP" to people flat on their back?

Your mentality is sickening in America - and you are far from alone. PULL yourself up by your own bootstraps and don't whine to me that you don't even own boots!!

UNTIL you walk a mile in the shoes of those who many need a helping hand, dont you dare judge whether or how much we CIVILIZED Americans should assist them.

There but for the Grace of God go you 'my friend' -

IF THIS GOVERNMENT CAN RAP E THE TREASURY TO PAY FOR FAKE WARS, IT CERTAINLY CAN CREATE A SAFETY NET for its most vulnerable citizen. Shame on anyone who says otherwise.


Compassionate conservativism - 2

Let’s just beat this dead horse into a pulp, shall we?


Suppose we’re friends and I give you $100 or a gift worth that much, just because we’re pals.  It is well within the rules for you to spend the money on anything you want.  It is also well within the rules for you to exchange the gift for a different color or size, or even for something else that you like better.  Still within the rules (though tacky) is to pawn the gift, take the $50 you get, and blow it on anything you want.  It was a present.]


However,  suppose you are my friend (or even a complete stranger) and you tell me you’re kids are hungry.  Suppose I give you $100, and suppose doing that shorts my monthly budget for luxuries or even necessities, but I have decided your need is greater.  This too is a gift. 


But instead of spending the money on enough food to feed yourself and your family for a couple of weeks, you decide life is short (could be a big part of why you’re asking for money in the first place) and what you really need is a good time.  You spend the money on dinner out, with wine, and a show, because you figure you can always put on your hungry face, trot out your starving kids, and hit up your ol’ buddy A. Nonymous for another C-note?  Not illegal, and you won’t go to jail for it, but certainly violating the spirit of the gift and not even remotely within the rules of common decency.  Don’t ask me to help you anymore.  I would be stupid to fall for it again.  You are the one starving your kids, not me, and I am very sorry.


And what if I am not the only friend you have asked for help?  Better hope we don’t all get together and compare notes. Because then we’re all kicking you off the gravy train. 


Wow what a loving, tolerant, and compassionate

little liberal you are...NOT.  You just wished me dead.  How sweet!


What a wonderful way to show your *compassionate*

side at Christmas time.


This woman's soldier son was killed in Iraq right before the holidays, leaving behind a wife and child, but you glibly act like it's no big deal.


Of course, to those of your ilk, the only good soldier is a DEAD one, so it's perfectly understandable.


Crawl back under your rock.  You're nothing but an ugly, hateful snake.


Carla...  (((hugs)))... please ignore this ignorant, hateful subhumanoid creature.  Don't read any more of its posts.  It is clearly an evil force that only truly belongs on the CON board.


I think we should all ignore this poster and not feed its hatred.  Just like Bush, It clearly has no compassion for those it sends to fight a war based on lies and deceit.


Compassionate euthanasia. It is not that far a reach any more. sm
It happened in Italy just the other day. It took the lady 4 days to die.

That is what you have to look forward to if the premise of his health care plan is correct.

So when they talk about leaving the debt to our children, g-children, and g-gchild, then they will be healthy enough to cough up the money to pay the piper.

JMHO though.


Our hatred? Please refer to post above by your compassionate left
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Some states have passed compassionate euthanasia already, Oregon. nm
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*Compassionate Conservative* Bill Bennett: Abort every black baby, reduce crime.


William Bennett Defends Comment on Abortion and Crime


'Book of Virtues' Author Says Hypothetical Remark Was Valid


By JAKE TAPPER



- After pondering on his radio program how aborting every black infant in America would affect crime rates, best-selling author and self-styled Values Czar Bill Bennett is vehemently denying he is a racist and defending his willingness to speak publicly about race and crime.

On the Wednesday edition of his radio show, Bill Bennett's Morning in America, syndicated by Salem Radio Network, a caller raised the theory that Social Security is in danger of becoming insolvent because legalized abortion has reduced the number of tax-paying citizens. Bennett said economic arguments should never be employed in discussions of moral issues.

If it were your sole purpose to reduce crime, Bennett said, You could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down.

That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down, he added.


Outrage From Democrats


Bennett was secretary of education for President Ronald Reagan and is considered one of the Republican Party's big brains. But this week Democrats and some Republicans seemed to also question if Bennett's mouth is of size as well.

Democrats expressed outrage, ranging from demands for an apology to requests that the Federal Communications Commission suspend Bennett's show.

Republicans, Democrats and all Americans of good will should denounce this statement, should distance themselves from Mr. Bennett, said Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr., D-Ill. And the private sector should not support Mr. Bennett's radio show or his comments on the air.

I'm not even going to comment on something that disgusting, said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. Really, I'm thinking of my black grandchild and I'm going to hold (off).


'Things That People Are Thinking'


In an interview with ABC News, Bennett said that anyone who knows him knows he isn't racist. He said he was merely extrapolating from the best-selling book Freakonomics, which posits the hypothesis that falling crimes rates are related to increased abortion rates decades ago. It would have worked for, you know, single-parent moms; it would have worked for male babies, black babies, Bennett said. So why immediately bring up race when discussing crime rates? There was a lot of discussion about race and crime in New Orleans, Bennett said. There was discussion – a lot of it wrong – but nevertheless, media jumping on stories about looting and shooting and gangs and roving gangs and so on.

There's no question this is on our minds, Bennett said. What I do on our show is talk about things that people are thinking … we don't hesitate to talk about things that are touchy.

Bennett said, I'm sorry if people are hurt, I really am. But we can't say this is an area of American life (and) public policy that we're not allowed to talk about – race and crime.

Robert George, an African-American, Republican editorial writer for the New York Post, agrees that Bennett's comments were not meant as racist. But he worries they feed into stereotypes of Republicans as insensitive. His overall point about not making broad sociological claims and so forth, that was a legitimate point, George said. But it seems to me someone with Bennett's intelligence … should know better the impact of his words and sort of thinking these things through before he speaks.

The blunt-spoken Bennett has ruffled feathers before, most recently in 2003 for revelations that despite his best-selling books about virtue and values, he is a high-rolling preferred customer at Las Vegas and Atlantic City casinos.

In light of accusations that the Bush administration should have been more sensitive to black victims of Hurricane Katrina, a Republican official told ABC News that Bennett's comments were probably as poorly timed as they were politically incorrect.

ABC News' Avery Miller, Karen Travers and Toni L. Wilson contributed to this report.



NOBODY can make Saddam look good. But Bush seems to be the ONLY one who can make him look less

If you can't make abortion illegal, just make it impossible (sm)

That's right, Bush is still alive and well.  Check this out.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#28024676


Yeah, I know it's MSNBC, but how many other people are doing a lame duck watch?


Just because you make a statement does not make it true...
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Those who make you believe absurdities can make

Perhaps we can make a
between lying because he was a husband caught with a bimbo and lying to even the score with Wilson who knew of the intelligence manipulation for going to war and jeopardizing national security issues. You really don't see the difference here? If Hillary can stand her husband for being a cad, that's hers and Bill's business, not mine. Whereas this administration has lied about Iraq. Clinton lied--nobody died. Bush lied--2000+ died, not to mention the *collateral damage* of innocent Iraqis as pointed out by Democrat above. And you don't see the difference?!
This is what I make of it...sm
Supposedly if the insurgents lay down their arms and come over to the good side they will be allowed amnesty. Info leaked from Iraqi prime minister, al-Maliki, office that he was considering giving amnesty to insurgents and terrorist who have not killed Iraqi citizens. His office later added US soldiers into the equation.

Supporters of said amnesty believe it will lead to further isolating the *bad* terrorist and be inclusive of the *good* terrorist, allowing them become a functioning part of the new Iraq. Bring them over to the good side so to speak.





We can't make it here.
http://sheergoldenhooks.blogspot.com/2006/05/james-mcmurtry-we-cant-make-it-here.htm
don't mean to make any

one more nervous, but visualize this scenario, McCain falls down and breaks a hip. The vice president who has stated "I have not thought much about foreign policy" (despite having HER OWN SON going to Iraq soon)  has to make a crucial decision that does not involve a rogue moose, her brother-in-law's behavior, or what to wear at a beauty pageant.  Scary.  Since she has not thought much about foreign policy, what group of Washington people are going to be instructing her on foreign policy soon?  The Karl Rove group who is advising them on all issues. If you have enjoyed the last 8 years, you're gonna l-o-v-e the next 4 if McCain wins.


 


Exactly. And the DNC will make him pay for it, too.
Sadly.
You have to make up your own

mind.  If you are curous as to what he studied, you can look that up.  Why ask some stranger to get that info for you?  He was a constitutional law professor, but as for specific classes, I don't know. I like him for his ideas, his honesty, his humor, his obvious love for his family, his unique time spent in both the black and white communities. His past has been thoroughly reviewed and shows only integrity.  The fact that he is attacked only for people he has known actually shows me that he has an immaculate record.  I don't know many who could stand up to that kind of scrutiny.  I think he is a once-in-a-lifetime leader - he has the ability to inspire and the humbleness to listen to different views about issues along with a brillant intellect.  His life shows his principals and I can find not one false note.  That is my opinion of him.  I am sure to be attacked over silly stuff for this post, but I can give it right back, so that's okay.


 


Make that 15
15. GLOBAL WARMING: Biden said that he knows what is causing global warming when in fact, even the best scientists in the country can't agree on what is causing global warming.
Does that make 2 now?
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Now, whatever would make YOU
that???
I want him to make sure that the
US is the leader in development of alternative energy sources.  This would solve so many problems in one fell swoop:  Creating new industries thereby creating thousands of new jobs, address the global warming issue, helping us move away from our addiction to fossil fuels and foreign oil.  If the US would come out as a leader in this, then many other nations would follow.  He also stated that our infrastructure was in sore need of updating, that our power grid in this country is one of our major weaknesses making us more vulnerable to terrorist attacks.  I have never heard anyone else address this issue.  Makes so much sense!
Huh. That does make me wonder.
I know that if I was making it big my parents wouldn't be living in a double wide and my dad's house would have the improvements that it needs. I mean I wouldn't pay there way for everything but I'd make sure they had a decent place to live and weren't struggling. That's just what families do.
And what does that make you?

Rah, Rah, Rah, Yes we can, Change, Change, Change, Blah, Blah, Blah


Then that would make him.........sm
half American. And disqualified from serving for POTUS!

What is ridiculous is that you (collectively speaking to all libs) cannot understand that he is a FRAUD! He does not meet the qualifications, plain and simple. It would be the same thing if he were 38 years old....he would be disqualified on age.

I will say this, and you can call me a tin-hatter if you want, but IF the SC upholds the lower courts' decisions and allows Obama be POTUS, then we might as well chunk the whole Constitution out the window because the rest of it will be meaningless. If those judges let this go through, it will only further demonstrate how this election was orchestrated from the beginning....or even before the beginning.
Make that 6.8%.
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It does make you wonder whose
butt the big liberal news is trying to kiss today. Those numbers are continually tossed around and no one bothers to check the facts. A neighbor who worked for GM for 40 years does get pension and healthcare benefits, etc., but the average worker now is making roughly $40/hour, which would include their benefits package as well. Of course, that is still great pay and is what many do not realize is actually what keeps the middle class in this country going.

I too was surprised they are going on and on about what the 3 big auto execs are using for transportation to get to the hearings considering you didn't hear a bunch of hooplah about what the AIG execs were skirting around the countryside in. Strange no liberal media went on and on and on about what they drove, what style they traveled in, etc., so it becomes very clear to me who the brown nosers are.
Really make you wonder
I haven't read the article but will. My take on the global warming conspiracy....someone sure is profiting from it. I won't say his name but his initials begin with AG (if you couldn't guess already).

All I know is I'm not about to have some energy hog riding around in a motorcade of SUV's (with one whole SUV just for his luggage), using however much energy, fuel, etc he wants and polluting the planet big time to tell me how I need to live.

There is a natural warming of the planet. It's happening with other planets too. Don't tell me people actually believe it's the earthlings fault for the warming of other planets too.

Lots of money to be had in this subject, but nothing has been proven yet. Especially since we all know the charts that AG uses to try to prove a point are not correct. Sorry but I'll listen to the scientists with years of knowledge and studying on the subject, not someone who is blowing off hot steam to get rich off of this scheme of his.
Oh yes! Make sure your have on your top hot, too!
;-) LOL!!
make too much?? I'm an MT!
Not likely I make too much as I am an MT!! Don't know any MTs in the $250K bracket, do you? If you do, I want to work where they do!!
So that would make
baby killers extremists. Glad you cleared that up. ;-)
This make me so angry!

As Karl Rove himself said, Wilson's wife was "fair game."


I've said before that it's not only Valerie Plame who he endangered, but everyone who has worked with her during her work with WMDs.  We're in the middle of a WAR, but this "good ol' boy" administration doesn't care what they do or don't do in that respect.  They don't care whose lives they endanger.  They don't THANK these people for their service and for putting their lives in danger to try to make this country a better place. No, instead they see a man who has dared to disagree with King George, and they target his wife for potential danger, to get even with her husband for disagreeing with Almighty George Dumbya Bush.  They act like a redneck version of the Mafia. The CIA deserve more respect than this administration gives it, but this administration doesn't think much of respect.  Bush blatantly doesn't care who in the world respects us, and he offers no respect to anyone else in this world.  He is perfect, and he makes no mistakes, and if you don't believe me, just ask him or one of his aids or one of his flunkies on this board.  They'll all tell you how perfect he is.


I've seen Larry Johnson on different programs, and the views he expressed in this letter absolutely reflect what he said on TV.  How in the world could any CIA source trust the CIA to protect his or her identity when the president of this country makes it clear that everything is "fair" in this good ol' boy Mafia-type game played in Washington.


Rove definitely should have his security clearance yanked.  He clearly doesn't deserve it.  Neither does Bush.


They don't make threats. SM
What's wrong with having guns?  They aren't wave them around.  They are proudly displaying them.  I guess it's more of a man thing. We have lots of guns but I am not really into them.  I don't care if someone else is though.  And that has nothing to do with war.  This is a typical liberal response to someone upholding their rights under the Constitution.  Silence the dissenters, take away the guns, remove all Christian religion from sight.  It's pretty obvious by your post that is what is going on with you.  It's called ignorance. 
Yes, anything to make an argument...sm
No pun intended to reality check, but yes anything can turn into an argument. Yep.
There is NO CONTEXT that can make it better.
You all keep saying taken out of context but you don't offer one iota of evidence to show this makes a bit a difference, or say why. Anytime someone is quoted the words are taken out of context.

Why don't you put your point on the line and explain why it makes a difference in this case?
Make that "staged"..nm
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I don't care either way. Don't try and make this something it isn't. nm

I didn't make fun of anyone.

This issue is not funny.  It could be deadly for us all.  There are certain Christians who will defend Israel no matter what Israel does.  I think a legitimate question is why.  Jewish people obviously do not accept Jesus Christ as their savior.  So why do some Christians have such undying loyalty to these people?  Is it because they truly put them on a pedestal (again, if so, why?), or is it because of the real estate inhabited by Israel, which just happens to contain the holiest of cities?  Or is it because the Bible says they must not turn their back on Israel or they won't get into heaven?  Some of them are very excited about the prospect of the Rapture.  Coincidentally, these people also represent Bush's base.  Do they believe the Jews are worthy of heaven only if they convert to a certain form of Christianity?  And what happened to Pat Robertson's theme park plans in Israel, and why did it happen?  How does Jerry Fallwell feel about Jews' entrance into heaven?  And can't anyone else see how this could be interpreted as the Jewish religion being inferior to the views of certain Christians?


I personally feel the Jews are entitled to gain entrance to heaven as much as anyone else of any other religion is.  Why don't you?


These people don't represent all Christians, as Starcat pointed out in this thread.  I can't help but find it fascinating that when either Israel or the concept of loyalty to Israel is brought up, a nerve is struck, and attacks against posters asking the questions ensue, without any answers ever being provided to the questions that were asked.


This is not a religious forum, and religious comments really shouldn't be posted here.  Unfortunately, we have a President who has mixed religion and politics so intrinsically during his administration that they can't be separated now.


I have full respect for anyone's religious beliefs, and what they believe is none of my business, but if the entire world is about to end because its end was assisted by those of a certain religion to self-fulfill a prophecy they and the American President believe, then it becomes my business, as well as the business of every person in the world who may be harmed as a result of the religious beliefs of some - not all or even the majority in the world.


I apologize if you feel I made fun of anyone's religion.  That was not my goal.  I admit that sometimes my words don't come out right and what are questions may seem like confrontations.  I apologize for that.


doesn't make me look bad
duh
Just had one comment to make...
I agree that we should have stuck with Bin Laden until we caught him, but here is the thing.  Bin Laden isn't doing the fighting.  He is sending his people to do all the ugly work while he hides and is well protected.  The only way for us to win the war on terrorism is if the people in these countries fight themselves against the terrorists.  If they stand up and say....I've had enough.....it will be a lot harder for the terrorists to do what they are doing.  JMO though.  We can't make them stand up to them though and I can't really blame them because I'd be terrified if I were them too, but that is the only way it will stop.
Let me make something clear.
I am African American. I have never seen Africa. The human race originated on the continent of Africa. Now, what do you consider yourself? You can call yourself whatever you want. We want to be known as African American.
Some of us have to make a living.
Got kids. Need to cook and clean and transcribe, balance the checkbook, pay bills, clip coupons and grocery shop, feed the kitties, watch news and fact check to stay informed. Chat room cat fights are low priority for me, especially with posters like yourself and sam, unlike those who stay ready to pounch 24/7.
Can we make her president?!!!

Does ot make him any less hateful.
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Still trying to make this about beauty
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It would only make a difference if
proved true it would show she deceived the people of her state and is a liar. No, I do NOT think it's true, but there are circumstances surrounding it that have made people in her state wonder, and long before national Democrats got wind of it.