|
|
Just days after the 9/11 attacks, Vice President Cheney, on “Meet The Press,” said the response should be aimed at Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terror organization not Saddam Hussein's Iraq. When asked if any evidence connected the Iraqis to the operation, Cheney said, no. But during that same time period, according to Bob Woodward's book, Bush At War, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was pushing for military strikes on Iraq and during cabinet meetings Cheney, expressed deep concern about Saddam and wouldn't rule out going after Iraq at some point. That point started to come 11 months later, just before the first anniversary of 9/11. The president and vice president had decided to redirect their war on terror to Baghdad. So, with the help of the newly-formed White House Iraq group, which consisted of top officials and strategists, the selling of a war on Iraq began and the administration's rhetoric about Saddam changed. On September 8, 2002, not only did White House hawks tell The New York Times for a front page exclusive that Saddam was building a nuclear weapon, five administration officials also went on the Sunday television shows that day to repeat the charge. He is, in fact actively and aggressively seeking to acquire nuclear weapons, Cheney told Tim Russert on “Meet The Press. But the White House started claiming that Iraq and the group responsible for 9/11 were one in the same. The war on terror, you can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror, said Bush on September 25, 2002. We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases, said Bush a few days later on October 7. He's a threat because he is dealing with Al-Qaeda. In pushing the Saddam-Iraq-9/11 connection, both the president and the vice president made two crucial claims. First, they alleged there had been a 1994 meeting in the Sudan between Osama bin Laden and an Iraqi intelligence official. After the Iraq war began, however, the 9/11 Commission was formed and reported that while Osama bin Laden may have requested Iraqi help, Iraq apparently never responded. The other crucial pre-war White House claim was that 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official in the Czech republic in April 2001. Cheney stated, It's been pretty well confirmed that he did go to Prague and he did meet with a Senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service. Confirmed or unconfirmed by Vice President Cheney the 9/11 Commission said, We do not believe such a meeting occurred. Why? Because cell phone records from the time show Atta in the United States. None the less, the White House strategy worked. In March of 2003, one poll found 45 percent of Americans believed Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9/11. On the eve of the Iraq war, the White House sent a letter to Congress telling lawmakers that force was authorized against those who, aided the 9/11 attacks. Yet the Bush administration continues to say it never claimed Iraq was linked to 9/11. I think I made it very clear that we have never made that claim, White House Press Secretary McClellan repeated on Sept. 17, 2003. The brutal irony is that while implications, innuendo, or false claims if you will about a 9/11 connection helped take us into Iraq. The Iraqi war itself has created a real al-Qaeda/Iraq link that may keep us from getting out. You're a liar. GT didn't curse. You're a filthy liar, but you are a gift from God. God sent you here to as a constant reminder of the kind of person I DON'T want to be and if I ever have a bad day when I feel temporarily stupid, all I have to do is read your posts, and I realize there are those out there who are much worse off than I am and for them it's not temporary. Yes, liar. You post 20 to my 1. Liar. nm 
So since they have gotten one or two stories out of.... thousands right, you take their word as good as gold? Please read something respectable and I don't mean Hufpo or the Daily Kos. I read all the stories here. sm There's lots of information here from Indian publications here. Lots. And they all say the same thing. So I guess they are lying too. Ward Churchill, evidently, is not an Indian, has used his faux Indian status to get an education (when perhaps a REAL American Indian could have used that education), has plagiarized and spit on real American Indians. And still you defend him. Amazing. by the way, one of the stories I heard during hurricane Ike from someone who knew the family, was a break in and theft, but he went past the purse and jewelry and went for the food. That was all he took although he totally wiped an old lady out of all that she had to eat. Not OP but here are the links to the stories... http://www.topix.com/forum/louisville/TE5VN7EJ0BLN8QHCL http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/22062919/reverse_discrimination_suit.htm http://newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/03/rights_groups_b.php All I had to do was type in "firefighters reverse discrimination test" and up popped a million links. Please share the stories of these Poor mistreated, misguided kids. If this were happening, the nightly news would be flooded with stories, continuously, nonstop day in and day out. That's all you would hear. Please give us a break. You are breaking my heart... The Bible gives us stories about the beginning of time. It doesn't give us every story of every incident that took place or of all the things that God created. If it did, we would have a book so huge and thick we couldn't even turn the pages. Some have a tendency to believe that brothers slept with sisters to populate the earth since Adam and Eve were the only human beings on earth at that time. I tend not to think so as I believe God may have created other humans in different parts of the big world. Adam and Eve were the FIRST humans He created. There is no mention that they were the ONLY ones He created. Maybe Adam and Eve were the only ones to be recorded because they were the first. You never know and since you don't know, you can't determine that it isn't the case. have you read the stories behind sm some of their so-called give-aways? Yes they probably do give alot for charities, but alot of these "give-aways" don't come out of their personal pockets. They are picked up by the companies of the merchandise they are giving away and most folks think its ALL coming out of their pockets. It's not. They just take the credit for it. Oprah, Ellen and Dr. Phil are nothing more than what the media has hyped them up to be. Lots of folks are getting tired of all of them and their popularity is waning. When they are no longer "out there" in the media, you and everybody else will forget about them. have you read the stories behind sm some of their so-called give-aways? Yes they probably do give alot for charities, but alot of these "give-aways" don't come out of their personal pockets. They are picked up by the companies of the merchandise they are giving away and most folks think its ALL coming out of their pockets. It's not. They just take the credit for it. Oprah, Ellen and Dr. Phil are nothing more than what the media has hyped them up to be. Lots of folks are getting tired of all of them and their popularity is waning. When they are no longer "out there" in the media, you and everybody else will forget about them. Crazy Obama Stories This website has some crazy Obama stories. Good for some light reading and laughter. p.s. I think I better change my name to Jodi sixpack so people know I am a woman, lol OMG, I've heard so many stories like this one from my Canadian friends! I can't understand why anyone who knows how that system works would want to bring it to the US! If this is what we have to look forward to our country is in DEEP trouble!!! Barack can't control what media says/does with the stories. you imply that his camp started them without having some kind of fact to back that up. Otherwise, you lose credibility in your statements altogether since you've called for the same from democrats here. Not being able to buy anything without ration tickets....very scary stories! nm x Obama's response to Palin family baby stories Here is Obama's response on all the Palin family stories swirling around. He said he would fire any staffer found to be stoking the fires on these stories. I agree with him 100%: Politico's Carrie Budoff Brown reports: At a press avail in Monroe, Mich., Barack Obama on Palin: "Back off these kinds of stories." "I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits," Obama said. "And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor and/or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be a topic of our politics." moore Michael Moore's Open Letter to Bush Friday, September 2nd, 2005 Dear Mr. Bush: Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag. Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with? Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her! I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike? And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ! On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that. There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland. No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this! You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit. Yours, Michael Moore MMFlint@aol.com :ol('http://www.michaelmoore.com'); target=_blank>www.MichaelMoore.com P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now driving across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can :ol('http://www.bringthemhomenowtour.org/userdata_display.php?modin%3d50'); target=_blank>catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st. __________________
We passed upon the stair, we spoke of was and when Although I wasn't there, he said I was his friend Which came as some surprise I spoke into his eyes I thought you died alone, a long long time ago Moore I'm probably the only person in the world who hasn't seen a single Michael Moore movie, and I don't know very much about him. After reading his very well written letter, though, I think it's time to change all that. He very eloquently called a spade a spade! Neither has Moore been convicted...sm of any wrong doing against Damon, but that point flew right over. Don't bother wasting your time on my posts AG. Moore has always told the truth. That's why the Wrong Right hates him to viciously. Really all you have to do is look at who they smear the most vehemently and you will find some of the bravest, most honest, humanitarian and patriotic people in the nation. Coulter/Franken/Moore Not even in the same league. Moore and Franken care deeply for our country and presents opinions and facts to make people aware and think about issues. Coulter churns out books with juvenile insults as titles.
Cant trust anything Moore puts out there nm I think Micheal Moore is a lot smarter than most people give him credit for. I'm not in favor of the bail-outs starting with Wall Street. That didn't accomplish much in the way of helping the economy. I really think the auto workers will continue to be laid off because no one will be above to afford new vehicles. I MIGHT consider supporting a loan if I saw proof that the execs were indeed going to work for $1 a year...with NO bonuses or other underhanded payments, proof that they had sold their luxurious jets and most of all that they WOULD USE ONLY PARTS THAT WERE MANUFACTURED IN THE U.S. AND THAT NO NEW PLANTS WOULD BE BUILT IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES WITH THE INTENTION OF BRINGING THE PRODUCTS BACK HERE TO BE SOLD. This exporting mess is what started this whole melt down IMHO. Michael J. Fox. sm I read that he did not take his medication deliberately so that people could see the full effects of his disease. That's just a tad manipulative, if you ask me. At any rate, I don't believe, and will never support, stem cell initiatives. There is much much more to these programs than is being presented to the public. Michael J. Fox. sm IT IS MANIPULATIVE. I believe capitals were warranted in this occasion and it IS about MJF and his ad. The MJF we have seen through the years is not the MJF in the video. I have seen it, have you? There is no guarantee that stem cell research will do anything for him. It is manipulative to the extreme. I believe Rush has apologized. But of course, the left never accepts apologies of any kind. Aw, too bad. But, now Michael Jackson... ...is in the Middle East doing consulting about theme parks??? Did I hear that right, what's up with that? Michael Rupert. THE INCOMING REPRESENTATIVE FROM GEORGIA'S 4th congressional district is the outspoken . She is a Democrat, she is 49 years old, and she has held the job before. She held it for a decade, in fact, from 1992, when she became the first black woman elected to Congress from Georgia, to 2002--when, she says, the hostile corporate media, allied with Republicans, repeated falsehoods about her, distorted her positions, and drove her from my seat. That is McKinney's explanation for her 2002 primary defeat, and she is sticking to it. But there are other explanations. Her father, Georgia state legislator Billy , shared his version with an Atlanta television reporter on August 19, 2002, the night before she lost. The reporter had asked Billy about his daughter's use of a years-old, moth-balled endorsement from former Atlanta mayor Andrew Young. Such endorsements were worthless, the elder replied, because Jews have bought everybody. Jews. In case the reporter didn't understand, he spelled the word: J-E-W-S. (A few weeks later, in a runoff against a political neophyte, Billy became a former Georgia state legislator.) The actual reason why left Congress in 2002 was that, for once, she couldn't outrun her mouth. She had walked along the cutting edge of progressive politics for years--appearing with Louis Farrakhan, calling globalization a cruel hoax, advocating for Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe--but then, in a March 25, 2002, interview on KPFA Pacifica radio, she suddenly fell off. We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11, said that day. What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? What do they have to hide? thought she knew the answer. What is undeniable, she explained, is that corporations close to the administration have directly benefited from the increased defense spending arising from the aftermath of September 11th. It was all downhill from there. On April 12, 2002, a synopsis of the interview appeared in the Washington Post. Democrats began distancing themselves from . She released a statement admitting she was not aware of any evidence proving President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of 9/11, but a complete investigation might reveal that to be the case. Then again, it might not. For that matter, might have had no idea what she was talking about. Appearing in print just months after the September 11 attacks, McKinney's charges couldn't be excused. Nor could her list of campaign donors, which included both terrorist sympathizers like Abdurahman Alamoudi, the former executive director of the American Muslim Council, and apparent actual terrorists like former college professor Sami Al-Arian. Nor could her October 12, 2001, letter to Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal, in which she rebuked New York mayor Rudy Giuliani for returning the prince's post-9/11 gift of $10 million and urged bin Talal to donate the funds to charities outside the mayor's control, especially those that dealt with poor blacks who sleep on the street in the shadows of our nation's Capitol. Giuliani had returned the Saudi's money because it came with the implicit condition that America address some of the issues that led to such a criminal [9/11] attack, among them its policies in the Middle East, where our Palestinian brethren continue to be slaughtered at the hands of Israelis while the world turns the other cheek. To Giuliani, such a statement made excuses for terrorism. This wasn't a problem for . And why should it have been? Her bent for conspiracy theories and racebaiting had never cost her politically. When she said in 1996 that we need to get the government out of the drug business, she was not talking about a possible prescription drug benefit. Whether it was the time she told USA Today that My impression of modern-day black Republicans is they have to pass a litmus test in which all black blood is extracted, or the time she accused Al Gore of having a low Negro tolerance level, she emerged unscathed from the ensuing kerfuffles. Facing a tough race in 1996, said Georgia Republicans like her opponent John Mitnick were neo-Confederates remaindered from Civil War days. Amazingly, ignored the fact that Mitnick was Jewish. Her father did not. Over and over again, Billy called Mitnick a racist Jew. As Slate's Chris Suellentrop noticed, when the New York Times asked Billy to elaborate on his comments, he simply repeated that Mitnick is a racist Jew, that's what he is, isn't he? The controversy over Billy McKinney's comments lasted weeks. Disgraced, he resigned from his daughter's campaign. That year, won 58 percent of the vote. In 2002, though, thanks to McKinney's interview with Pacifica radio, the tiny streams of anti- criticism that had been collecting in pools for years turned into a flood. The September 11 attacks were vibrant and terrifying memories when accused the president of profiting from them. Remember, too, that when accused the president of being a calculating war profiteer, his approval rating was over 75 percent. But times change. Two years later, is still her old self, while the world has become a lot more accommodating to loony theories about President Bush. Apparently her own district is no exception. The 4th District this year was an open seat; Denise Majette, who defeated in 2002, decided to run for the Senate instead, but still faced five opponents in last summer's Democratic primary and dispatched them all without a runoff. And while she avoided making any controversial statements, and politely deflected criticism of things she had said in the past, her conspiracism and racialism were still there beneath the surface. Occasionally they would bubble up. is defensive about the Pacifica interview, and there are links on her campaign website to two articles by the left-wing BBC journalist Greg Palast that attempt to absolve her of conspiracy-mongering. One of these articles is entitled The Screwing of . The other is entitled Re-lynching . Palast writes that has never actually said President Bush had foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks. Which is true. She hasn't. She's just implied it repeatedly. What's striking about McKinney's website is that, even as it attempts to debunk a variety of misinformation about her, it also takes great pains to claim vindication for that same misinformation. There is a link, for example, to Exposed: The Carlyle Group, a 48-minute documentary that purports to reveal the depth of corruption and deceit within the highest ranks of our government. There is a link to an article in the South DeKalb County CrossRoads News entitled Where is During 9/11 Hearings? in which the author describes being enraged that was not included in the public hearings of the 9/11 Commission, since she was the only elected official who had the guts to bring President Bush's war profiting scheme to the light. A few links more, and you wind up at McKinney's speech Democracy Is Under Attack--Let's take it Back. The speech is a sort of lodestone for McKinniacs. It is a rambling series of remarks delivered at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in Harlem in July 2003. It is an angry speech. I can't be calm when I drive through sections of Atlanta that look more like Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo, than America, explains. Yet the speech is notable mainly for the way in which it references McKinney's conspiracy theorist guru, a man named . is a former LAPD detective who is best known for his theories on CIA drug trafficking. Those theories--namely, that the CIA was behind the crack cocaine epidemic in America's inner cities--briefly made headlines in mainstream newspapers in 1996, and is hoping for a sequel. Since 9/11, he has toured the country discussing how the Bush administration, Enron, Israeli intelligence, the Pakistani ISI, the Saudis, and Osama bin Laden were behind the terrorist attacks. Ruppert's theories are lucrative. Chip Berlet, who studies conspiracism as a senior analyst at Public Research Associates, a progressive group, told me that speaks regularly to sold-out crowds. As you may know, I'm involved with Mike of From the Wilderness, says in her Democracy Is Under Attack speech. From the Wilderness is the title of Ruppert's newsletter and website. probably got the idea that the USS Abraham Lincoln was really in San Diego harbor when Bush landed on it in May 2003 from . So, too, her idea that Bush and his friends stood to profit from the 9/11 attacks, which she expands upon in another manifesto, the March 2002 Thoughts on Our War Against Terrorism:
Such ideas figure prominently in The Truth and Lies of 9/11, a videotaped lecture that delivered at Portland State University on November 28, 2001. The lecture is 135 minutes long. It feels much longer. In it, talks about the CIA, the Bush administration, the Carlyle Group, UNOCAL oil pipelines in Afghanistan, the Mossad, and--go figure--orange juice. The bottom line is that the Bush administration knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance and allowed them to happen for profit. Also, the world financial system is on the brink of collapse. In its apocalyptic overtones, in its internationalist plot, in its view that apparent enemies are secretly collaborating, Ruppert's The Truth and Lies of 9/11 is a textbook conspiracy theory. It is also a vehicle for . She utters the penultimate line, and it's a doozy. The American people, she says, might have a criminal syndicate running their government. It's a sinkhole, said Chip Berlet, when I first asked him about these conspiracy theories. He sounded a note of regret about . A lot of McKinney's complaints about the government are standard progressive fare. But which ones? Her conspiracy theories, or her hard-left politics? In truth, the line between the two is increasingly difficult to discern. I bought my copy of The Truth and Lies of 9/11 last June, at the Take Back America conference for progressive and Democratic activists in Washington, D.C. In a ballroom nearby, in earshot of the bookstand where Ruppert's video was being sold, Hillary Clinton and George Soros delivered keynote speeches. A few weeks after the conference, Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, which glibly hints at possible government foreknowledge of the terrorist attacks, was screened for the Senate Democratic caucus at the Uptown Theater in Washington. The film received a standing ovation. Maybe all of this helps explain why got her seat back. Maybe when shared her disturbing theories about President Bush in 2002, she was not so much falling off the edge of progressive politics as anticipating it. And she shows no signs of slowing down. I will probably get in trouble for what I've said to you tonight, told her audience at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in 2003. But it won't be the first time I get in trouble for telling the truth. And I'll continue to tell the truth. As I have said before, I won't sit down and I won't shut up. Too bad. Michael Steele. I really like this guy. nm Michael Steele....(sm) As noted by someone on SNL (I think).....You do know it doesn't work with just any black guy? ROFL. Michael Jackson did it practically overnight! I am not a fan of Michael Savage... but certainly don't think he should be banned from the U.S. As far as Britain, I really don't care who they ban. There is a reason we declared our independence--this is pretty much it. We certainly should not emulate them. As far as Michael Savage goes, I am very conservative and I listen to conservative talk radio. I turn it off when Savage comes on. It's a great place we live in where Michael Savage can be on the radio saying whatever he wants to say and I am free to turn it off. Michael Savage interview When you have time and want to listen it's an excellent interview. His interview is with Berg - a lifetime democrat/lifetime liberal http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/2-news/43-phil-j-berg-on-michael-savage-audio Once on that page there is a link to click to hear the show (the direct link was too long to post here) P.S. - I just heard this on the show and it does bring up a question. Why isn't Obama bringing his wife and kids to visit his ailing grandmother. The one who raised him. Wouldn't he want his ailing grandmother to see his wife and kids? It does not make sense that these could be her last days why didn't he bring his wife and daughters. it is a term that Michael Savage came up with. But then he may not be the only one. sm Michael Savage uses the term in talking about people who follow in a group blindly, just like sheep in a flock. He uses it a lot when referring to people who don't think for themselves and just follow the crowd along repeating what the crowd wants them to. And he uses it as a bipartisan term. 
|  |
||||||||||
marks the location of current message within thread
 |
© Copyright 2001-09 MTStars.com All Rights Reserved |  |