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They never had to approach President Bush because he was tough on terrorists and they knew he would give them the justice those sailors deserved!  The O administration are going to be timid with terrorism and terrorists.  Closing Gitmo is the first step towards completely castrating America in the eyes of the world.  He is weakening this country with every passing day of his administration. 

He wants to make peace with terrorists and it simply will not happen.  IT WILL NOT HAPPEN! 

This is insanity!  I don't understand how we as Americans can completely forget the loss of the lives of fellow citizens on 9/11?  How do we simply disregard the lives those on the USS Cole gave with that terrorist attack?  How can you people devalue these Americans and their families?  What happened to the righteous outrage and the promise of justice for the dead?

All of sudden, O comes along with his pretty speeches and we are supposed hold hands with these people and forgive and forget?!?!?!?!  We're supposed to close Gitmo because we are violating the rights terrorists with our mean interrogation tactics?  What about the rights of the people who died, the families who lost loved ones?  What about their rights? 

If someone killed your child would you stop at nothing to find the truth and stop it from happening to someone else? 

I am disgusted with you O lovers here!  You care so little for the lives of your neighbors.  You care so little for the fate of your Country, for your Constitution.  You deserve what you get.

PK, I agree with some things you say, certainly not all, but you talk about the righer Bush goes the lefter you go.  My question is this, do you think it's healthy to let ONE PERSON change your whole ideology?  I think that's way too much influence for one person to have on your life.  I don't think it's healthy.  You are most likely a wonderful person, but like many on the left you have let the fear of Bush really cloud your view.  I don't think he's the greatest president we have ever had, but he's certainly on the scoundrel that you and others here make him out to be.  I think the problem with leftward thinking as a whole is that it basically says I, as an upper middle-class taxpayer, have to take care of everyone's woes even if their woes are self-inflicted, criminally obtained, or the result of being just plain lazy.  Really, in the end when I stand before God I'm only going to have to answer for myself.   I do give to others, so I'm not a selfish hog, but I don't think its right for the government to tell me I have to take care of someone else who is capable taking care of themselves.  I'm for helping the truly downtrodden, incapacitated, and mentally disabled, but social programs as a whole are sham and downright theft.  I don't want that for Iraq or America.  I think it's far time that Americans start taking responsibility for themselves and get over the victim mentality and expecting the nanny state to do everything for us.

Anyway, your post was enlightening, and really the first non-angry post I've ever read from you. 

Didn't realize it was a nasty attack, thought I was addressing a point you made about videos being truth and the written word not the truth.  Thinking back on the history of propanda films in this country as well as others I disagreed and was trying to use logic.....and some humor. 

As far as cut and paste, unless the board administrator says we can no longer do this I will probably continue to do it on the LIBERAL board, especially if it provides documentation for a point I am trying to make.  Researchers and newspapers do it often.  That said, here's another cut and paste quote, but don't know who said it:

The US has become the new Webster's definition of irony: Even though most Americans, most American lawmakers, and most American military commanders had long protested the usefulness of their presence in Iraq, ironically they still considered their own government a democracy.

This reminds me of Cheney commenting that basically he didn't care what the American people thought of the war or what they wanted.  I thought we were supposed to be his boss.....

This is one thread I can't help posting to.  First, I want to say that I absolutely hate the new p.c. term "clearly."  Clearly this, clearly that from news anchors, talk show hosts, you name it.

As for the comment by Michelle Obama, if she is proud of her country "for the first time" then she's running a little late in my opinion.  I've been a Democrat all my life but no more.  The color of the candidate's skin has nothing whatsoever to do with anything, I don't care if he is pea green with orange stripes.  Obama scares the bejeezers out of me!!  Read about him and listen to him and learn.  I'll not be voting for him.  I would not have voted for Hillary.  Why?  Doesn't matter if she's a woman or not.  I have no respect for her.  I certainly don't admire her for standing by her man.

As for McCain, his stupid comment I think speaks for itself and doesn't show a lot of intelligence.  Secondly, he is too old.  While I admire his military service, I think if we like the condition of our country now, we'll enjoy more of the same and worse under his leadership.

Listen to both politicians.  They both want to give amnesty to illegal aliens and I am dead set against it.  Reagan (and I'm no fan of his either) tried that and now we have at least twice as many to deal with as we did then.  It is purely political, get the votes whereever they can. 

Then there's the matter of our country being sold off to foreign investors one piece at a time and the huge national debt to China.  What happens when they call in their mortgage?  Will they demand, California, Texas and maybe Alaska or will they just take over the whole danged country?

As for voting in this election?????  I probably will  just stay home for the first time since I've been old enough to vote.  We don't even have a candidate to vote for that is the lesser of the evils in my opinion.  I think the last good leader we had was Harry Truman, "walk softly and carry a big stick."

to bring up all the Obama bashing that went on before the election.  I am well aware of THAT.  I meant to be honest and say what I think AFTER the election.  I am not interested in delving up the no b/c, lack of experience, his being "Muslim" (which I DO NOT believe) or any of the other things Republicans used to bash him.  I stand on what he is or is not doing now that he has had 6 months to show what he is going to do.  Maybe his stimulus WILL work, I don't know.  I don't think so but time will tell.  Still, I do not regret for one minute not voting for McCain/Palin, if anything I think they would have been worse.  Now that's just my opinion. 

As a matter-of-fact, now that you mention it, I feel Obama is rather two-faced seeing as he, a smoker himself, goes against those who suffer the same addiction as he does.  Puppet?  Yeah.

I'm always happy to discuss politics but I will only discuss issues.  I've been away from this board for quite some time as I got tired of reading the same old anti-Obama, pro-Mccain rhetoric.  There are plenty of issues to discuss and neither the Republican nor the Democrat parties will look out for those in the middle class.  Soooooo if this board can only discuss issues they discussed before the election, then I don't care to participate.  Obama is our president, like it or not, and nothing is likely to change that for at least the next 4 years.

I don't know about you, but I'm American, not dem or pub, just American.  I refuse to shut up or put up, as you so kindly put it, about anything.  I have to admit the last election I voted pub, and I'm still paying for that one.  But seriously sam, keep playing the blame game.  You'd make a good politician.  See where it gets us. 

Fact is 140 dems did vote to pass it, while only 65 pubs voted for it.  Maybe because the pubs didn't feel they were getting enough out of it for themselves or because of fear of its failure.  It's a shame that pubs can't even support their own party, ie Bush, who wanted this to pass.