My apologies..... you DO get it..... finally, someone
Posted By: with sense!!! nm on 2009-05-08
In Reply to: I think you responded to the wrong person here. You're - preaching to the choir.
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My apologies to you.....I'm so used to dem
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my apologies ... sm
This gentleman wrote a very insightful article about, not only obama, but observations of America in general. Thought is was very interesting (whether or not you are pro or con obama). Sorry I wasted your time.
'post' above yours, again, apologies :)
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My apologies, Kaydie.
I read your post quickly in between jobs and did not read it properly. I apologize.
Hey JTBB my apologies to you too
Boy, talk about getting slapped into reality (more like smacked) by Just Curious.
After 10 seconds I turned Olberman off and looked for an article to read. Got the same message but without the painful anguished look on Olberman's face. HA HA.
You are right - I can't find this story in any of the conservative web pages.
Do I believe what we have in the office right now are neocons? Most and absolutely yes!!!! Do I believe what we have coming in is the Nazi regime. Most definitely yes!!! I don't know whether I like that or not because basically I do not see a difference. Only time will tell. I hope Obama will do a good job, I really really really do. This country is just in shambles. Am I worried - oh my gosh yes because of who he has been picking to fill his cabinet. Correct me if I'm wrong, because I may certainly be wrong, but I don't see him picking any conservatives in his cabinet, but yet when he was campaigning he was saying he was the only candidate who can bring the two sides together and he will choose both liberals and conservatives for his positions, yet I have yet to see any conservatives. I most certainly do not want more of the same, but I know there are a lot of conservatives who could do a good job, but to me I feel like he is just pushing them aside, which I feel is going to lead to such a division in the country. I still don't know what it is the Clinton have over him, but for him to pick her - oh my gosh!!!!!
I think I just take offense (even though I'm not conservative - I'm an independent with some conservative viewpoints and some liberal viewpoints) but I take offense when one side is called "the enemy" and people lump everyone into one group.
I do hope he does good. I hope he can get some jobs created and the economy back on track.
I can see apologies have no effect on the likes of you. SM
Thank you for demonstrating that. It's funny, because several times liberals have mistakenly posted on the conservative board and then apologized and we never attacked. A good example between the two mindsets, I would say.
My apologies... I thought you were responding to
I usually don't read her posts, so by the time I checked to see if you were responding to her or me, it was too late. Sorry about the hasty reply, but I what I wrote still stands, just in case anyone DOES mis-quote me.
Anyway, a great big OOOPS!
:-/
my apologies about that link below, here is a good one
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4476649n
my apologies to you - I probably did sound rude - nm
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Anyone else sick and tired of all the apologies
from corporations and our representatives? Are we supposed to always forgive them like their cronies do?
Thain just apologized for spending $1 million on remodeling his office but did not apologize for all the millions in bonsues he took when he left the company after 3 weeks.
Last night during the hearing for Geithner, Dodd spent so long talking, not about Geithner, but lecturing against Bush. I didn't even listen to Harry Reid. He's another one.
Barney Fife recieved $12 million from FM/FM. Sickening (haven't researched that yet, but heard it on the news).
Oh, and how about the $50 million corporate jet that was just ordered by one company, yet are asking for another $20 million from TARP. They SAY they are not using taxpayer's money for this jet. So, if not, how come they needed, and need, TARP money? Bull.
I'm sick of all the greed and coruption, not only in our government but also corporate.
Apologies and we're to forgive them? I don't think so. Why can't we get all this crap cleaned up? Is everyone in everyone else's pockets?
Okay. I'm done venting for now....................I think.
good grief to you, these are not apologies...nm...........nm
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Sincere apologies, wrong board. NM
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Yes, sincere apologies, wrong board. So what? NM
Definitely agree and my apologies to the democrats - see message
Didn't mean to insult any by saying she was in the same group. I do know quite a few really good democrats with level heads and are trying to do better for the country (still wish Kucinich had made it further. I think he's a very decent person) - as are some good republicans too (Ron Paul and others) - its the left wing nuts and I always forget that not all democrats are like that. (and not all republicans are like the uber-conservatives in their parties.
So sorry democrats that I put her in the same group with you.
You need to make NO apologies - your posts have been insightful - see message
I feel the same way you do. I can tell you how upsetting it is to my patooty off and what do I get for it, I don't get ahead, I get to pay more taxes. I work two jobs because I have to and I have nothing - let me repeat nothing, NADA - left over. In fact sometimes I don't have enough to cover everything.
The country is going down the tubes and what do I see...all the wealthy politicians on the talk shows on TV and they all talk with sh-eating grins on their faces as though this is a big joke for them. They have little respect for people like us.
So don't you apologize for any posts you made or any answers you post to others messages. We're all feeling just like you do.
Sick sick sick of it all.
Finally
More and more are finally *getting it*.
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Okay, I finally get it...
you don't want to pay a high insurance premium. You could find better uses for that money. But is it fair to tax everyone, including all those people who will use the entitlement because they apparently cannot or will not insure their own children, people like me who do struggle to pay health insurance premiums but manage to do so, is it fair to cut into our incomes even more so that it is more comfortable for you to not have to worry about a $1000 premium? You see where I am going with this? Because we, the taxpayers, including you, at all levels, are going to pay for this. Not a cigarette tax because it won't come close to covering the expansion. How is that fair? It is never going to be completely fair to all of us...and you say I keep saying $80K...you keep saying $1000 a month. There are policies that are more affordable than that. Might not be the cadillac of policies, but it would be coverage. It is about choices. Let's drop all social programs EXCEPT free health care for ALL American children (and apparently illegals as it does not seem to bother you they are included). Fund that first, DO NOT raise taxes, ANY taxes. After childrens health care is covered, whatever is left give to other entitlements. Again, what is wrong with tax cuts for those who pay their insurance premiums? Oh wait, I'm sorry. You don't want a tax cut and still pay the premium. You want it free. But again...it is not FREE. Every taxpayer in America will have to pay for it. Frankly, I think it is just as important to fix social security so that the next bunch of elderly won't be destitute...but hey, at least some of you can go on a vacation. SIGH.
Finally, but she has.....
no dignity, or honor, or shame, or anything. I think she finally listened to the people and did the math (the real math that is, not her "fuzzy" figures counting certain states votes (the ones that voted for her) but not others (the ones who voted for Obama). How does she think I feel knowing that she is out there saying my vote doesn't count because my state was for Obama. How does she think the people who voted for her in those states feel when she says their vote is not important enough because they are in Caucus' so their vote should not count. I was never in support of her as I'm sure if you've read previous posts of mine. I think there are so many many other qualified women I would have loved to see run for the white house and I think they would have done a much better job than her. She's just a really nasty person in both her political and personal life. I for one like living in America. I do not want the whole world to be one nation, one country which is what she is pushing for. I want to live in America and keep my job here. She is for sending jobs overseas. Whatever the other candidates are about, she is by far the worst of them. Well actually her and McCain are equal in "evil-ity". That's why I will write in Ron Pauls name at election time (if I can).
Finally...........
I knew there had to be someone out there who actually does their homework. He definitely has associations with some very worrisome and dangerous bed fellows but hey, some are just so anti-Republican they will vote for anything the democrats throw out there. I'm not a McCain supporter either, but Obama's past voting and lack thereof speaks for itself. He avoids invitations to speak wherever he thinks he may be called out on the carpet so to speak and can't wiggle and squirm his way through the answers and all that calm appearance will be put to test. He'll fold like a cheap tent.
ahh . . . someone finally got it.
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By Joe somebody's finally got it.
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Finally
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYdk26ezVio
You know he has finally come to his
the most watched news cable channel and the only fair and balanced, he is moving to FOX!
finally got it...somehow. n/m
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W finally impeachable?
Hopefully this will lead to the impeachment of W
Below 40%, OMG, America is finally *getting it*
September 10th, 2005 11:57 am
President's Approval Rating Dips Below 40
By Will Lester / Associated Press
President Bush's job approval has dipped below 40 percent for the first time in the AP-Ipsos poll, reflecting widespread doubts about his handling of gasoline prices and the response to Hurricane Katrina.
Nearly four years after Bush's job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Bush was at 39 percent job approval in an AP-Ipsos poll taken this week. That's the lowest since the the poll was started in December 2003.
The public's view of the nation's direction has grown increasingly negative as well, with nearly two-thirds now saying the country is heading down the wrong track.
Finally - someone who agrees with me
I have read about her & Bill since before they ever got into the white house the first time. Their lives before they met each other, her career in the Rose Law Firm, all the "mysterious circumstances" that happened to people who disagreed with them, etc. They are both a disgrace to the Democratic party and they are tearing it apart for their own personal gain. Sure Barack is not perfect, sure he's going to push unneeded programs that will cost us money, sure I expect our taxes to be higher with him, however, she will do the same thing and worse. She wants a one-world government and she wants to be in charge of it all. I've read that she is pushing for Canada, US & Mexico to be one country and change our currency, among other things. As you said she is an evil self serving person. She cares nothing about people like me. The thing I like about Obama is his public service has shown he cares about people like me. He wants the US to be a great country and he is going to help people like me, and getting the economy back on track and our troops home. I don't trust Clinton because her voting record and the work she has done in her political career has served herself alone. Not the american people. I'm not voting for Clinton because I don't want 4 years of the same thing we had when B Clinton was in. It was a very dark time for our country and all you have to do is read to know that our taxes were the highest EVER when they were in. I don't want to go back to that and our country will be torn apart if she gets in. It just makes me very nervous to know that she is going to try something to just "place" herself in the position because she believes it is hers and nobody elses. She feels she should just be "anointed" into the position, like the Queen of England. On one other note...I could care less about J. Wright and that other minister (luckily a lot of other people feel the same). The minister of a church that he used to go to is not going to affect his position as president, however, the way Hillary has voted in the past, and the dirty money she has received, and the lobbyists who support her will affect her position if she was to be president. Just is a very scary time right now until the convention is finally done with. I'm also very interested to hear some debates between Obama and McCain. What's really getting to her that I laugh at is that it is going to be very very easy to win over McCain and she sees her chance slipping through her fingers. What she isn't realizing though is that if she was the nominee McCain would crush her because of her positions and background. Even the polls have come out and said that Obama is clearly winning over McCain but McCain is winning (or at least neck-n-neck) with Hillary.
Finally!! Someone with brains!!
Sambo's ranting and raving backed up with her "so called" facts are actually quite laughable. And then......to top it off - we have the whiners who proclaim "she backs it up with facts." HA!! Sofa King Wee Todd id!!!! Baaa, baaaa - the sheep must follow. Amazing, absolutely amazing. Watching that mass - pizza the hut Sambo - go gurgling out into space in a blaze of fire just made my day. To you, my most sincerest respect.
HOORAY!!!! Someone finally got it.
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Well, thanks for finally understanding what I was saying.
Hitler maybe, but I'd have to think about that one for a while.
Oh, did you finally get out of bed this morning? nm
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OH NO! I think we finally agree on something!
RNC is finally saying something about the bailouts. sm
RNC Draft Rips Bush's Bailouts.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/30/rnc-pushes-unprecedented-criticism-of-bailouts/
Well, you finally got one point right......... sm
God will judge you and your worthiness for admission to heaven..... And unless you are standing before Him clothed in the righteousness of Jesus, then you will be found sorely lacking.
Finally - see message
Like the poster below it does give me hope for common sense. I've been saying for the last month or so, when are people going to stand up for what is right and say enough is enough, we're not going to see our country destroyed anymore. Your statement is so true - "They went too far".
I used to be liberal in my viewpoints until what just took over. After everything they have been doing I am no longer liberal. I would love to see a third party emerge, but don't think that will ever happen in 100 years, so am glad the conservatives are finally bringing things together.
Of course you will still have the die-hard crats who will try to make up stuff about the conservatives dying off, etc, etc (you know all that balogne they are fed from the main stream media/MSNBC/CNN) but I'm just glad things are turning around.
The previous administration might not have been the greatest, but the current administration is way past worst and they soon will find the same demise. People have had enough.
Maybe you finally hounded her off the board, too.
The ones who should be banned are the ones who can't stay on their own board and do nothing but attack and gang up on other posters who don't agree with them. Anyone who disagrees with you on your board, you tell them to get off. Practice what you preach, loser.
Finally, a man with a plan. That's what I'm talking about.
End of 2006?
On Monday, Iraqi Interior Minister Bayan Jabr suggested U.S.-led forces should be able to leave Iraq by the end of next year, saying the one-year extension of the mandate for the multinational force in Iraq by the U.N. Security Council this month could be the last.
“By the middle of next year we will be 75 percent done in building our forces and by the end of next year it will be fully ready,” he told the Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera.
Ahhh...okay...I finally figured out who you really are....
and now this makes sense. You hide behind different monikers and pitch a fit and attack posters personally because you are incapable of handling disagreement. Frankly, I am not insisting anyone play with me. That, again, had nothing to do with any liberal poster other than you...and I likened you to a spoiled child, which is obvious from your actions...hardly name calling. My original post, after which you went off on me for no good reason, merely stated I was going to respect what two of the posters here were complaining about, that they did not want conservatives coming here and *making* them defend their positions because they were good people and knew they were right. I said I would respect that and just read, although I did not really understand why someone secure in their view would mind presenting it while also respecting the right of someone to disagree. Yes, that is definitely extending an olive branch. There is no need to fight and there is certainly no need to make it personal like fighting kids in a schoolyard. And, typically, under whatever moniker you use, you swoop in with the snide personal attacks. I guess you just can't help yourself.
I said I used to enjoy coming to this board because there were liberals who posted here who WERE secure in their beliefs and did not mind a lively debate at all. We did not always agree, but in some cases we did, and we respected each other's opinions. And you know that, because when you took time out from personally attacking me and every other conservative who came to this board, I am sure you read some of those posts. Yes, I know you are going to deny that I know you...but I know you. You stand out, believe me, because even if you change your moniker, your style of posting gives you away. It is always *us* and *we* like you are speaking for every liberal who comes to this board. You just gotta be you, I guess. Well, if it makes you feel better to attack me, have at it. Knock yourself out. Enjoy!
Yes! Finally I feel someone who represents me!
An intelligent, working mom, including a special needs child (which I also have). She truly does bring change and hope, and I am so proud of the Republican party today. I just brought my 8-year-old daughter over to the television and showed her and told her, be especially proud of being a girl today. You truly can do anything.
It won't really matter. Just having that hick finally
He's been a major embarrassment to the U.S. for the last 8 miserable years. You could elect Donald Duck and he'd bring a lot more credibility to the office of President of the United States than Dubya ever did on his best day. (Not that he ever HAD a best day....)
Finally - a decent interview
I caught the interview with Sarah Palin tonight. Part 2 is on tomorrow. I thought finally! Someone treating her with respect. The interview with Gibson last week was definitely a set up (been in the military and I know about investigations and such, and how to make people "uneasy"). As much as I cannot stand Hannity I have to say the interview was very respecful and not condescending. He asked her decent questions and asked her to explain herself on some issues which she did. When it comes to economics, energy and other issues she shows the wisdom and intelligence to understand what is happening and what needs to be done to get the problems fixed. There was no doubt in my mind by the end of the interview she will be one of the best VPs and I have confidence enough that if something happens to JM she will do just fine. However, JM's family lives to be quite a ripe old age so am sure he will be around for many more years to come. I'm just glad there was finally a fair interview. Asked her tough questions, had her explain her viewpoints and treated her with the respect she deserved. Can't wait to see the rest of it tomorrow. She'll be talking about how she has been treated by the media among other things.
mcClain finally sinks it
New issue of an obscure accountant's magazine with an article written by mcclain recently released. He states that he is proud of his role in deregulating the financial sector and was looking forward to deregulating health care industry. Glub, glub, glub, down the toilet he goes. Hoisted by his own petard.
Finally found someone I agree with 100% s/m
Michael Moore on Larry King. A couple of the most striking things he said about Palin: Would you turn the keys to your house over to someone you've known for 7 weeks? How about dropping your kids off with someone you've known for 7 weeks while you go on vacation? Another huge AMEN when he said Obama isn't running against McCain, he's running against ignorance.
I am well aware that Moore is a Democrat although, like me, he said he has problems with some of Obama's plans.
Of course the Pubs were given rebuttal time and what's the first thing they did? Attack Moore for blaming the pubs for the Wall-Street bailout. Said, "Obama and Biden voted for it." Bless Larry's heart, he said, "Why did you leave McCain out, he voted for it too." Started with some cockamaney reason why Obama and Biden's vote was bad but McCain had it right. I turned the TV off in disgust.
Right now I would vote for Michael Moore for president. I'm sure the dems would get him a haircut and a shave and put him in a suit and he'd do just fine.
Good night all.
Did you finally emerge from your coma?
none of them can be found, except that 2006 Fox article. You might want to read up on SUBSEQUENT WMD findings. The official findings of the govt reports would be a pretty good place to start.
THANK YOU!! Finally, a voice of reason!
My head has been spinning so much over the abc comment about not starting to live until after the fourth month, or whatever it was she said, that I was just too baffled to address this. And then going on in another post about a life is a life when talking about a frog and a ferret . . . apparently totally missing the point of that post.
I believe, however, that a lot of abortions occur because the male involved does not want a child. I am not sticking up, necessarily, for the females who still have this done, but, IMHO, we STILL live in a male-dominated world and that is a huge reason for why this has become legal. I think that oftentimes it is young, scared GIRLS who subject themselves and their fetuses to this, in order to please their "man". I think that in many cases, if the female in question felt that she would have support, either from the father or from her family, she might make a different choice. Not excusing it, just saying . . . IMHO. Heck, I've seen it, and more than once.
Yeah, and they finally got rid of Beck,
longer Lou lasts on CNN. He is the only one left there who reports with his eyes open.
They're finally waking up...
USS Cole victim's mother refuses to meet with Obama.............she is shocked and said she made the wrong choice in voting for Obama. LOVE IT! Hate she has lost her son like so many others, but she is finally realizing this guy is a butt kisser. These terrorists killed her son and unfortunately it took this to wake some of them up. Now that he is so worried about torturing terrorists and closing down Gitmo, they are finally waking up to the reality that is Obama.
Obama is letting them drop charges against terrorists for this horrible sick crime..........yep, thank all of ya'll who put him in there!
Diane McDaniels is her name.........good for you mom! She ain't drinking his Kool-aid NO MORE!
Good...maybe we can finally get an energy
policy that relieves us from OPEC, et.al., and save our 700B a year! Will be tough but the tough will get going again. We need to fix the railroads to transport goods economically rather than trucking everything. Sorry to the truckers but we have to get smart again.
GOOD GRIEF! FINALLY!!!
Excellent post. That's what I've been trying to say all along, but it's fallen on deaf ears. Thanks for doing a better job than I could do. 
OMG, finally a poster with a BRAIN, THANKS..NM
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From Scarborough Country. Finally, a Republican who is
spade a spade and not just blindly follow! How refreshing.
SCARBOROUGH: Now, today, President Bush again refused to answer questions about the White House CIA leak case. But he did have this to say.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don‘t know all the facts. I want to know all the facts. The best place for facts to be done is by somebody who is spending time investigating it.
I would like this to end as quickly as possible, so we know the facts. And if someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCARBOROUGH: Ah, nuance. I love nuance. Before, it was, if somebody leaked this information, they are not going to work in the administration. Now it has been elevated to, if somebody committed a crime, they are not going to work in our administration.
Now, a far cry, obviously, from what the White House had to say back in September 2003. Listen to what White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan had to say back then.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCARBOROUGH: Big difference.
With me now to talk about this boiling Washington summer scandal are Peter Beinart—he‘s the editor of “The New Republic”—and also Republican pollster Kellyanne Conway.
Peter, I have got to start with you.
You know, I have been saying all along that somebody lied to George Bush, because George Bush would not have gone out a year ago and said, hey, if somebody was involved in this leak, they wouldn‘t work in my administration, if he knew that Karl Rove was involved. Now we‘re talking about obviously an indictment. Does this mean the White House now understands they are going to have to backtrack?
PETER BEINART, EDITOR, “THE NEW REPUBLIC”: They have already started backtracking.
I mean, Scott McClellan said the idea that Karl Rove was involved with this was—quote, unquote—“ridiculous.” Now, of course, it is undisputed that Karl Rove was involved in this. That alone seems to me is reason for Scott McClellan, if he has any dignity at all left, to resign.
(CROSSTALK)
SCARBOROUGH: You think he should quit?
BEINART: Absolutely.
(CROSSTALK)
KELLYANNE CONWAY, REPUBLICAN POLLSTER: Why?
BEINART: Because once a press secretary loses all credibility by being lied to by his bosses and then lying to the press as a result, the only honorable thing to do is resign. It‘s pretty well—it‘s pretty—because has no credibility left. He is now basically a walking pinata.
SCARBOROUGH: All right, Peter, let‘s talk about what we know. Let‘s talk about what we do know, Peter.
(CROSSTALK)
SCARBOROUGH: We know that either Karl Rove or Scooter Libby or the president or somebody in the Cheney-wing of the White House lied to Scott McClellan. Is that safe to say? Somebody is lying here.
(CROSSTALK)
BEINART: Yes. Someone lied to him, because he would not have gone out and said it was ridiculous that Karl Rove was involved without someone telling him that.
(CROSSTALK)
SCARBOROUGH: Kellyanne, I will you the same way.
(CROSSTALK)
CONWAY: Sure. There‘s no..
SCARBOROUGH: I will ask you the same question.
There is no way this guy would have gone out and made the statement that he made last year had he not been lied to, right?
CONWAY: There is no evidence that anybody lied to Scott. And there is certainly no evidence that Karl Rove was a producer of any information.
If anything, the two most recent news accounts about this issue suggest that Karl was the recipient of the information from a media source, not the producer of that information. And, look...
SCARBOROUGH: Well, he produced—he produced it to “TIME” magazine and Cooper, didn‘t he?
CONWAY: No. There is no evidence of that. In fact, when Joe Wilson himself testified before the..
SCARBOROUGH: Where have I been? CONWAY: Pardon me?
SCARBOROUGH: Where have I been? I mean, I am sorry. I thought I read the “TIME” magazine article. I thought I saw Matt Cooper on “Meet the Press” this weekend saying that he got the information from Karl Rove.
CONWAY: And...
SCARBOROUGH: I mean, was I—was it all a dream? Was it like the last season of “Dallas”?
CONWAY: No, Joe, it wasn‘t.
But that—again, when you are the subject of a grand jury investigate, as it is going on now, you are not allowed to discuss it. So, Karl can‘t really defend himself.
What other reports have suggested is that, perhaps, immediately, perhaps, hypothetically speaking, someone in the media called Karl and said, I have this information. I am going to do a story about it.
Now, letting it fly out there in the ether does not mean that Karl provided the information. Nor does it mean that he corroborated, verified or encouraged it. If anything, he may have tried to kill it on the—on the—with the inference that the person not go out and use inaccurate information.
Now, let‘s remember what this information is about, serious stuff, that the vice president allegedly sent Joe Wilson over to Niger to check out the uranium story. And then, when Joe—when Joe Wilson, the same guy, testifies to the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, he says, I may have used a little bit of literary flair, the same guy who poses in “Vanity Fair.” This is not a credible person.
SCARBOROUGH: Let me ask you this, Peter. I want to bring this up. The thing that I found very interesting—and, obviously, I respect Kellyanne and have for some time and agree with her a lot more than I disagree with her.
But it seems, in this Karl Rove case—if we want to call it a scandal, we can call it a scandal—that if every time you start talking about Karl Rove, Republicans start talking about Joe Wilson. Now, I think Joe Wilson is a liar. I think he is a joke. But it seems to me he is not relevant to this leak, is he?
BEINART: No, he is not relevant at all.
What Kelly is doing is repeating exactly the same talking points that every other Republican has been repeating all week.
CONWAY: That‘s not true.
BEINART: And the point is, I happen to think Joe Wilson has a lot more credibility than Karl Rove. But it is totally irrelevant.
The question—even if you think that Joe Wilson is the biggest liar in Washington, it is absolutely sleazy to go after him by going after his wife. That is not...
(CROSSTALK)
CONWAY: Who is going after his wife?
(CROSSTALK)
BEINART: The people who went out and said, who said that his wife is a covert operative for the CIA, which got the CIA so upset that they asked the Justice Department to do an investigation, those people.
And is very likely those people are either Karl Rove, Lewis Libby, Ari Fleischer, or all of the above.
CONWAY: It is not very likely. We don‘t know that. You have to be careful.
(CROSSTALK)
BEINART: We don‘t know that. Of course we don‘t know.
What we do know is that—is that there was a State Department memo which had this information. We know that Fleischer was reading that memo.
And we know that this information got to Robert Novak. It is conceivable -yes, I will grant it is conceivable that, somehow, some reporter got it and spit it back to these guys in the administration. But it is more likely that they got it from the State Department memo and then they fed it to Novak in an effort to discredit Wilson.
(CROSSTALK)
SCARBOROUGH: Kellyanne, let me ask you a question.
CONWAY: Please.
SCARBOROUGH: Kellyanne, let me ask you a question here. I am just curious. And I have been asking my Republican friends this question for the past couple weeks. Let‘s say Bill Clinton‘s top political adviser had decided to reveal the identity of a CIA agent to a reporter from “TIME” magazine to get back at that person‘s spouse? What would you be saying? What would Republicans be saying about Bill Clinton and Bill Clinton‘s top political adviser?
Let‘s just assume...
CONWAY: Right.
SCARBOROUGH: ... that what everybody in Washington knows is actually the case, that this was passed on from Karl Rove to Matt Cooper at “TIME” magazine. What would you say if the Clinton administration had engaged in this type of activity?
CONWAY: I would say exactly what I said when the Clinton administration was engaged in far worse, something called Whitewater, which Peter was against investigating, even though people...
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SCARBOROUGH: I am not talking about—I am not talking about Whitewater.
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SCARBOROUGH: I‘m talking about the outing of a CIA agent in a time of war. That is all I‘m asking.
CONWAY: Right.
SCARBOROUGH: What would you say if they did that?
CONWAY: And my answer is what it was then, which is that I respect the rule of law enough to allow the investigatory process to work its way out.
If we all respect the law as it is written and the investigatory process that is currently undergoing, Joe, then the facts will be known. And the president will keep to his commitment that anyone who broke the law will be out of there, including—anybody.
SCARBOROUGH: Well, that is a different commitment from what we heard in the fall.
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CONWAY: Pardon me? No, it is a commitment. But, guys...
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SCARBOROUGH: The commitment that was made before was anybody that revealed the identity of a CIA agent would be fired.
Peter, I want to ask you this question in closing.
And, Kellyanne, I love you, just like I love Peter.
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SCARBOROUGH: I am not beating up anybody tonight.
CONWAY: Joe, Karl beat the Democrats twice now, though, Karl has beaten the Democrats black and blue in two presidential elections.
SCARBOROUGH: It is irrelevant. I don‘t care.
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CONWAY: They want him out of Washington.
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SCARBOROUGH: It‘s irrelevant.
The bottom line is that a CIA agent has been outed. I don‘t care whether a Republican did it.
CONWAY: She posed in “Vanity Fair.‘
SCARBOROUGH: I don‘t care if a Democrat did it.
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SCARBOROUGH: She went to “Vanity Fair.” And, again, I think Joe Wilson and his wife are shameless. But they did that after they were already revealed.
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SCARBOROUGH: So, I just—again, I don‘t like—I think Joe Wilson is a joke. The fact that this guy lied about just about everything involved in his African trip and then wrote a book called “The Politics of Truth” is shameless.
But he is irrelevant. His wife is irrelevant.
Peter Beinart, final question to you.
Now that I have preached, the question is this. Is somebody going to jail over this? Is somebody going to be indicted?
BEINART: I think it is—I would say the chances of someone being indicted are a bit better than 50-50. The chance of someone going to jail I think are relatively low. I would say less than one in four. That is my guess.
SCARBOROUGH: All right. I will play McLaughlin here. Wrong!
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SCARBOROUGH: Nobody is going to jail.
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SCARBOROUGH: Karl Rove is keeping his job. Nobody in America cares.
But I do.
Thanks a lot, Peter Beinart. Greatly appreciate it.
Kellyanne, thank you so much for being patient with me tonight.
We will be right back in a second in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.
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