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Oh, I feel you. I don't know which is better for the Iraqi's, b/c what is usually reported is sm

Posted By: Democrat on 2005-08-05
In Reply to: Breeding ground - American Woman

the military casualties, not the civilian casualties in Iraq.

Fox News did report this week about a military man whose family was murdered, wife and children while he was out working. That's awful, that's terror. When I hear stories like that I do think of the terror the people are experiencing due to this war, but they did have it bad under Sadaam. They're in a catch 22.



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    You dont get it. Most dont want O to fail, they feel
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    Iraqis say there should be
    The New York Times
    November 21, 2005
    Iraqis Say There Should Be Troop Timetable
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    Filed at 11:30 a.m. ET

    CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- Leaders of Iraq's sharply divided Shiites, Kurds and Sunnis, seeking common ground for their political future together, agreed Monday there should be a timetable for the withdrawal of foreign troops, and that resistance was the right of all -- but that acts of terror should be condemned.

    After hours of negotiations at the Arab League, the participants in a national accord conference reached a final statement aimed at showing the points of agreement between the communities.

    The three-day gathering was held to prepare for a wider conference due to be held in February in Iraq, part of a U.S.-backed league attempt to bring the communities closer together and assure Sunni Arab participation in a political process now dominated by Iraq's Shiite majority and large Kurdish minority.

    The participants in Cairo agreed on ''calling for the withdrawal of foreign troops according to a timetable, through putting in place an immediate national program to rebuild the armed forces ... control the borders and the security situation'' and end terror attacks.

    ''The Iraqi people are looking forward to the day when the foreign forces will leave Iraq, when its armed and security forces will be rebuilt and when they can enjoy peace and stability and get rid of terrorism,'' the statement said.

    Sunni leaders have been pressing the Shiite-majority government to agree to a timetable for the withdrawal of all foreign troops. The statement recognized that goal, but did not lay down a specific time -- reflecting instead the government's stance that Iraqi security forces must be built up first.

    On Monday, Iraqi Interior Minister Bayan Jabr suggested U.S.-led forces should able to leave Iraq by the end of next year, saying the one-year extension of the mandate for multinational force in Iraq by the U.N. Security Council earlier this month could be the last.

    ''By mid next year we will be 75 percent done in building our forces and by the end of next year it will be fully ready,'' he told the Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera.

    The conference's final statement also stated that ''resistance is a legitimate right for all people'' -- a nod to Sunni Arab leaders who have sought to distinguish Iraqi insurgents they say are resisting the U.S. presence in Iraq from terrorism.

    But the statement added, ''Terrorism is not legitimate resistance and thus we condemn terrorism and the acts of violence, killings and kidnappings that target Iraqi citizens; civil, governmental and humanitarian organizations; national wealth and houses of worships. We ask that they be immediately confronted.''

    It also condemned the declaring of some Iraqis infidels -- an ideology advocated by some of the Islamic militants in Iraq's insurgency to justify some of their attacks.

    The Cairo meeting was marred by differences between participants at times and at one point saw Shiite and Kurdish delegates storm out of a closed session when one of the speakers said they had sold out to the Americans.

    A major goal of the conference was to resolve who can attend the wider gathering in February. Shiites have been skeptical of the conference from the start and strongly opposed participation by Sunni Arab officials from the former Saddam regime or from pro-insurgency groups.

    The statement also stressed the participants commitment to the Iraq's unity. It called for releasing all ''innocent detainees'' who have not been convicted by courts and asked that allegations of torture be investigated and those responsible be held accountable.

    The statement also demanded ''an immediate stop to arbitrary raids and arrests without a documented judicial order.''

    Participants asked the Arab countries to support Iraq by eliminating or reducing its debts and strengthening the Arab diplomatic presence in Baghdad.

    * Copyright 2005 The Associated Press

    If you really think that the Iraqis are getting
    1/100 of the kind of care that an illegal can walk into an emergency room and demand--for free--you are kidding yourself. Universal healthcare is not going to improve the quality of our care--it will only serve to lessen it. Ask someone who lives in a country with universal healthcare.
    billions for killing Iraqis okay
    not one red cent for the poor! 
    Iraqis march for secular state...

    See link for entire article.


    Meanwhile, Tuesday, Officials said insurgents were trying to deepen the political turmoil surrounding the contested vote. Preliminary figures have given a big lead to the religious Shiite bloc that controls the current interim government.

    The new violence came as three opposition groups threatened a wave of protests and civil disobedience if fraud charges are not properly investigated. The warning came from the secular Iraqi National List, headed by former Shiite Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, and two Sunni Arab groups.

    More than 10,000 people, some carrying photos of Allawi, demonstrated Tuesday in favor of a government that would give more power to Sunni Arabs and secular Shiites. Marches chanted No Sunnis, no Shiites, yes for national unity.

    We're protesting to reject the elections fraud. We want to ask the government and the elections commission: 'Where did our votes go? Who stole them?' said Abdul Hamid Abdul Razzaq, a 45-year-old barber who attended the massive protest.

    A similar protest in Baqouba ended with arrests. Police rounded up several people — most of them high school students — and took them into custody, Donelan reports.

    Iraq's Electoral Commission said Monday that final results for the 275-seat parliament could be released in about a week.

    Sunni Arab and secular Shiite factions are demanding that an international body review more than 1,500 complaints, warning they may boycott the new legislature. They also want new elections in some provinces, including Baghdad. The United Nations has rejected an outside review.

    We will resort to peaceful options, including protests, civil disobedience and a boycott of the political process until our demands are met, said Hassan Zaidan al-Lahaibi of the Sunni-dominated Iraqi Front for National Dialogue. He spoke in neighboring Jordan, where representatives of the groups have met in recent days.

    The election commission considers 35 of the complaints serious enough to change some local results. But Farid Ayar, a commission official, said there was no reason to cancel the entire election.

    He also said preliminary results from early votes by soldiers, hospital patients, prisoners and overseas Iraqis showed a coalition of Kurdish parties and the main Shiite religious bloc each taking about a third. Those nearly 500,000 votes were not expected to alter overall results significantly.

    Preliminary results previously released gave the United Iraqi Alliance, the religious Shiite coalition dominating the current government, a big lead — but one unlikely to allow it to govern without forming a coalition with other groups.

    Alliance leader Abdul Aziz al-Hakim traveled to the northern Kurdish city of Irbil on Tuesday to discuss the formation of a governing coalition with Jalal Talabani, Iraq's Kurdish president, and Massoud Barzani, president of the Kurdish region.

    Al-Hakim's secretary Haitham al-Husseini said there would also be negotiations with Sunni Arabs. Al-Husseini said the Alliance has proposed distributing the top six Cabinet positions, the three-member presidency council and top three parliament slots among the political blocs.


    The Iraqis hung Saddam. Remember?
    If we had pulled out when Obama wanted us to, the Iranian financed insurgents would have taken over and then I imagine first Iraqi Christians (and yes there are some) would be the first to be obliterated and it would have gone downhill from there. I love the way you say FACT: and then present your case. Who says it is fact?

    The war on terror may not always be a military fight. But when they drop two buildings and slaughter nearly 3000 innocent people it needs to be a military fight. Why do you think we have not had another such attack?
    Dear Miss Thang. If you dont like it, dont watch.
    nm
    rational to one is irrational to another..dont like it, dont read it
    Rational posts?  Well, maybe you would think that, however, I disagree..but, what the heck, from your continual posts attacking me over the past few months, it is obvious that we dont agree on anything.  Gotta tell ya, no one chases a person from a chat board..that is a lame excuse for someone who obviously was not able to hold his/her own with the smart liberals who post on this  liberal board.  So gt chased her/him away.  On please!  If a poster is getting to you, you just ignore their posts..dont click on them..Viola!  It is that easy!  Or dont come on the liberal board if you do not like liberal ideology!  Viola!  It is that easy!  So, Im here all the time am I?  Well, punkin, I see your handle always on both this board and the dinosaur board..er..I mean conservative board.  Is this what your debating has gotten down to?  Lets count and see who is here more often?  How ridiculous, how childish, how so....republican.  **BIG HUG**
    I dont hate Obama. I just dont see him as qualified
    nm
    and I feel like makin *du du duu du du duu* feel like maaa-k-in love to YOU!
    ARGH!!


    I dont WANT war. Dont judge me!
    nm
    Who reported that? SM
    But as I said, it really doesn't matter to me. I like him. 
    reported it
    I reported it to the administrator and monitor.
    This definitely needs to be reported!

    I certainly hope you report this to the monitor, gt.  They KNOW you're Jewish.  You've mentioned it many, many times on this board.


    Can you imagine how pitiful their lives must be to cause them to stoop to such a low level?


    What they really deserve is pity. 


    NOBODY bothered them on their board.  They came here ONLY to cause trouble and try to turn this board into a sewer like their own board.  I can't imagine what it must be like to harbor so much hatred in one heart; it can't leave much room for the Jesus they claim to worship so much.  It must be a very heavy burden.  We've done nothing to them. 


    This board was starting to become a pleasant place to visit again.  I guess it was just too much for them to take.


    Reported to the FBI??

    Who's paranoid now?? My point is that this is a board that at best is duplicitous. I did not know it was privately owned and run by an extremely conservative individual.  I know I left the religion board a long time ago because it was run by someone who appeared to be of the religous right who deleted posts left and right and was very ugly about it in the process. On an open forum, people can be of any faith or none at all. I seem to remember the Pagan/Wiccan posts going first. Anyway, at the time I thought it was odd that MTStars would allow one of its volunteers (see below) to dismiss anyone who was not of his or her persuasion on a public forum. I do not think that a private person with a private agenda should be given a platform to expound on that platform on an open discussion board.   The first page of MT Stars states, and I quote...MTStars provides this site, free of charge, to all MTs and those holding other related positions in the healthcare industry. We believe that an open forum with a minimum of deletion is paramount to successful networking across the globe, and we are confident that this is why MTStars is the success it is today.


    MTStars takes this opportunity to thank our many sponsors and volunteers. Without you MTStars would not be a reality. That last statement leads me to believe that sponsors put up the money and volunteer MTs did the administrative/moderator work and had to be openminded and fair in their assessments of posts. I wonder what the sponsors would think if they knew exactly what it is they are buying (in its entirety). I am looking forward to speaking with someone from MTStars as well as ForuMatrix. The more you know...


     


     


    Reported to the FBI...
    Friend Lurker, you are the one who sounds paranoid. Yes, a death threat to the President of the United States, ANY President of ANY party, is supposed to be reported to the FBI or Secret Service, regardless of where it originates. That is what the poster meant. As to this board....what is your problem? If you don't want to post here, don't. If you don't like the way it is handled, don't stay. So far as I can tell, the only posts that have been removed have been ones that bash this country or bash the President. I trust it would be the same no matter what party the President belonged to. It is called respect of tradition, respect of the office, respect of the origins of this country...which you obviously don't give a whit about. Thank God there are people who still do. Thank God!
    It has just been reported
    to the FBI tips hotline. I hope they will definitely take action on this!
    CNN just reported it as well.........
    -
    I'm saying CNN reported showed it rt b4
    Still looking, but since CNN repeats their stuff so much, you can probably catch the report later this p.m.
    You mean reported by Politico
    You couldn't possibly be quoting Fox as reliable, now could you???
    FOX reported this but not a word from CNN
    )
    Wrong you are.......it has already been reported
    @
    They also reported that this operation is
    in "retaliation" for those Israelis killed by Hamas bombings into Israel since the cease fire expired on December 19. Hamas launched their offensive because (as usual) Israel failed to live up to their end of the bargain and did not lift the blockade of supplies into Gaza, which was a precondition of the original cease fire (that lasted 6 months).

    The report said that for all of 2008, Hamas had killed a grand total of 9 Israelis with their home-made missles, 2 of them being the ones you mentioned that occurred since this most recent operation. It is difficult to ascertain how many Palestinians have been killed in the past year by the Israelis just in their "normal" day-to-day policing in the occupied terrotories, but you can bet your bootie it's been more than 9.

    Bottom line has not changed. That's life (and death) under occupation.
    So if this story was reported on
    CNN and you claim that it was picked up on from Fox News with Fox's spin....wouldn't it be the responsbility of CNN to debunk that then instead of just reporting what Fox News did if Fox News is indeed wrong.  If Fox News is full of crap and CNN reports the same thing...wouldn't CNN be full of crap too or are you giving CNN a free pass just like the media does Obama?  Just curious.
    You feel someone should be forced to do something they feel is wrong? sm
    Sounds like communism to me.
    This was reported on none other than Fox News yesterday.
    I'd say if she's camping out in front of his house what would it hurt to peek his head out and talk with the woman? But then again, he probably has nothing to say other than, "We're making progress. War is hard."

    She's obviously had time and enough grief to set in to do a 360. You know people handle grief differently.

    I think he doesn't want to talk to her now because she's upset, and Bush does not do well in face-to-face adversial situations, so he probably wouldn't be able to help her by talking to her anyway.


    It does not matter who reported it, Taiga...
    there are facts within it that are not in dispute. Take the Tim Russert thing for example. He had the pictures of the 747 fuselage at Salman Pak. He showed it on his TV show. He showed it to Cheney. Only at that time, it was RUSSERT who was saying to CHENEY "Can you honestly sit there and tell me you don't think there is a 9-11 connection?" That is a fact, Taiga. It happened. I can see why no one else would report it. And as to timely? You have to report it when it happened. And it did happen. All I am saying is...basically you can't believe ANYONE because the left wing and the right wing have been on both sides, top and bottom of this issue. They have all flip-flopped on it. So WHO do you believe? I tend to believe the picture. I have seen the picture. They showed the picture on TV numerous times (the Salman Pak picture). And as the article stated, none of those facts are in dispute, even from the 9-11 commission, except one.

    As to the 9-11 Commission...don't get me started. Did you actually watch any of it while it was happening? Talk about a stacked deck and questions asked to get certain answers. What a JOKE that was. That being said, there is a lot of information that came out that never made it to the "assessment" they put out. I was watching it during the time George Tenet testified. He says in his book he never said slam dunk, but he darn well did, I HEARD him. And that never made it into the "assessment" either. I purposely watched as much of the 9-11 hearings as I could, because I knew a lot was not going to make the "assessment." Independent they were not. That was exceedingly obvious from the questioning.

    I do not understand your penchant for "timely." If something happened, it happened. That is what I mean about selective memory. You remember it if it is germane to your discussion, and you dismiss it as "the past" (like it never happened) and use "timely" as an excuse. I really don't get that. But, I don't have to...whatever floats yer boat.
    This story is reported all over the networks, not just
    nm
    No, but they have repeatedly reported the anchor
    @
    Excuse me. This was reported by NBC, LA Times, etc.
    Now you can see why "poisoning the well" arguments are so pathetic unless you get your facts straight first.

    And, incidentally, there's no network that covers the news more fairly than Fox (sometimes even to the point that I am aggravated when their guests or commentators take a certain position). You might start watching it yourself, and then you'd never post a ridiculous comment like this again.
    Excuse me. This was reported by NBC, LA Times, etc.
    Now you can see why "poisoning the well" arguments are so pathetic unless you get your facts straight first.

    And, incidentally, there's no network that covers the news more even-handedly than Fox, to the point that people on each side of the aisle accuse them of being slanted toward the other side!! I know they've aggravated me more than once with their liberal guests and commentators - but that's the hallmark of fair reporting, IMHO.

    Stop drinking the lefty koolaid.
    It was reported on all the major news
    All I have do to know what will be posted on this form is watch Fox commentators and read a few conservative websites. All some of you do is regurgitate the half-truths and out-right lies spoon fed to you by people with an agenda. Think for yourselves once in a while.
    Reported on Fox news. I can't verify...I wasn't there.
    x
    channel 2 reported on recruiters tactics
    Channel 2 did a bit on their nightly news.  I believe it was a college paper reporter who went undercover and told the recruiters he had done drugs and other things that would have disqualified him and the recruiters were salivating at the thought of signing him up and told him ways to get into the service even though. These recruiters would take a dead man if his body was still warm, for pete sake.  I say, you need people in the military, check out the people in the administration, ask if their children will join for the *better good of all to bring democracy to the world*.
    couldn't find the clip, but CNN reported it and
    nm
    Just wait a minute. The flags were reported
    nm
    You will NOT see this site reported in the mainstream media....
    way too much in the tank for Obama. In fact, they are as mesmerized as the people on this site (remember Chris Matthews of MSNBC and the tingle up his leg when Obama spoke). Never could I "pull the lever" for this guy. No way. No how.
    I agree also. News media reported after (NM)
    x
    Nah, she probably already made up her mind it's false, even if AP reported it...nm

    Excuse me. I gave the AI exactly as reported by Rasmussen.
    Misrepresent my eye.

    And only 37% think the country is going in the right direction - I didn't even mention that little number.

    The fact that this is a daily poll makes absolutely no difference because the +30 number he started off with was a daily number as well, so it's comparing apples to apples. All you have to do is look at the trend to see it's going DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN with - exactly AS I SAID - a few blips up.

    Galls ya, doesn't it?

    Nice try, but no cigar and/or kewpie doll for yew today!
    Cool. I reported it to them too. Hey mods, leave this thread, yes? NM

    I reported 'Ahem's' and 'Anon2's' messages to the moderators
    I suppose it is the same person.
    Between May and July 2001, the National Security Agency reported
    at least 33 different intercepts indicating a possible imminent al Qaeda attack. The FBI issued 216 secret, internal threat warnings between January 1 and September 10, 2001, of which 6 mentioned possible attacks against airports or airlines. The Federal Aviation Administration issued 15 notices of possible terrorist threats against American airlines. The State Department issued 9 separate warnings during the same period to embassies and citizens abroad, including 5 that highlighted a general threat to Americans all over the world.

    Yeah, that Bill Clinton wasn't doing his job alright.

    Oh, wait.
    I do not feel sorry for the 'terrorists', I feel
    sorry for those who are (or soon were) held there and are innocent.
    you dont even know me
    Talk about generalizing.  LOL.  You dont know these posters, for pete sake.  Most of us are extremists?  Give me a break.  What are you a radical neocon snooping on the liberal board trying to start trouble?  Only someone wanting to start would make a statement like that.
    Dont lie, that is all
    What are you even posting about?  A conservative got caught in a lie, which is not so uncommon..the lie was proven..PERIOD..Nothing more than that..I guess the lesson is, DONT LIE cause in this day and age, with print, email, bulletin boards, tapes, voice mail, you name it, you will be caught and then your credibility will be questioned. 
    so are u saying that you dont sin?
    Wow, you are like the only perfect person in the whole world!
    Dont believe God had anything to do with it.
    nm
    LOL! Dont you know? EVERYTHING is
    nm
    dont you have any

    family or friends that you might think about for a while.  The victors of the election hold no truck with you.


     


    I dont see it that way, but then again, I am not
    nm