Only 11 more votes and it would have passed. nm

• okay peeps -- listen up, anyone not - wanting to read through the entire
  • Apparently the dems in congress are not more concerned... - sam
    • No sam, listen to me. I am only going to say...sm - oldtimer
      • Possible Dems reason for not passing - Long time MT
        • Are you sure you're not describing the - Republicans?
        • By Joe somebody's finally got it. - A big THANK YOU!
      • Bottom line: Either way, WE lose. At least, if the bill - see message
        • I hear that. I think a lot of people will be doing that... - sam
          • Yeah - makes the 'bailout' almost a moot point, huh? - It almost doesn't matter.
      • But oldtimer...the fact remains...if those 94 democrats... - sam
        • Hello? The majority of democrats voted for a bill...sm - oldtimer
          • I just heard on TV that all the reps from PA ... - sam
    • hey sam, you obviously overlooked - my question below, so I'll ask it again
      • I did reply, it is below....but I will reply again here... - sam
    • The same can be said for the pubs that - voted no. hypocritical coconuts, too?
      • No, because the Republicans don't have enough votes to pass it on their own... - sam
        • Only 11 more votes and it would have passed. nm - oldtimer
          • And Nancy Palosi hand picked more - another oldtimer
          • Yes, and 94 Democrats voted no. So why not... - sam
            • Dude. (Or dudette.) The vote is OVER. It's back to - square-one. Get over it & move on.
  • Usually, the majority is right!!!! - pc
    • Well, if that is the case, then I guess not passing the bill... - sam
      • See? You ARE still capable of "getting it"! - 'bout time, too.
        • Lame. nm - sam
          • Bored. - [YAWN]
            • Bored people are BORING people. - hope you went to bed.nm
              • Heavens, NO! Not when I can read your continual - "interesting", Odes-to-the-Right-Wing.
                • Yeah, reading is very educational. - Really. Try it. nm
                  • L-W -
                    • Used to be a dem til I read enough to realize they - think higher taxes and socialism are good.nm
                      • L-W -
  • I agree almost totally with sam on this one....sm - ms
    • Yes, and how about the bailout, ACORN, and - Obama. How can people vote for him? crazy.nm

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11,000 million children will be covered.

The only problem is...they are raising the cigarette tax to $.61 a pack. According to Glenn Beck, we will need 21,000,000 NEW smokers to cover the program. Kinda ironic....use something that is unhealthy to give coverage to keep the kids healthy.

I don't know what they are thinking. I think the government has their heads in the sand.  Every time they tie a new program to smokers, more smokers quit. How are they ever going to cover all these children if another couple thousand people quit smoking?

I absolutely think this program will not work like they think and in a couple years, if not next year, they will be raising taxes on everyone because of the shortfall in the planned coverage.

Sheesh! How did these people ever complete college????? They have no sense.

Now it's on to the House-Senate negotioations.  I just hope we can stand this as a nation. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29119293/

The budget funds Volunteer America, and includes a provision to set up a commission to STUDY whether or not "mandatory volunteerism" should be established.  My prediction is that it won't happen.

Democrats have apparently reached an agreement to move forward with a House vote on the huge cap-and-trade energy tax known as Waxman-Markey this week.

The monstrous bill has already grown from the 946-page version passed by the House Energy and Commerce Committee to an even-heftier 1201-page version released by House Democratic leadership last night.

And they aren't done yet. Negotiations continue between Pelosi and her ally, House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (both D-Calif.) on one side and House Agriculture Committee Chairman Collin Peterson (D-Minn.) on the other.

The apparent breakthrough, which paves the way for a floor vote on Friday or Saturday, is a big giveaway for rural electric co-ops -- a big Peterson priority. Peterson may also extract other big-ticket concessions before a vote happens on the House floor. And why not? What's a few billion dollars between friends when you have a multi-trillion-dollar energy tax hike to divvy up?

That's what's so outrageous about this whole process. Cap-and-trade imposes massive new hidden energy taxes on American consumers. The taxes are hidden in higher prices for gasoline, electricity, and every product in the economy that's grown, shipped, or manufactured. All the revenue, the last estimate from the Congressional Budget Office has the pot at $846 billion over just the first 8 years, so it will clearly be many trillions over the 38-year duration of the program goes into a big pot that politicians can use to buy off opposition and advance other big-government objectives.

Senator Barbara Boxer, the biggest Senate proponent of cap-and-trade and the one who will dole out the billions of dollars on the Senate side if the bill makes it through the House, candidly explained how this works a couple of weeks ago:

There's so much revenue that comes in from a cap-and-trade system that you can really go to a person in a congressional district and get enough votes there by saying, "What do you need? What do you want? You can really help them."

This disastrous bill, which will send energy prices skyrocketing while having no discernible impact on global average temperature will only get worse as even more special interests are bought off at the expense of taxpayers. It's a scam, an enormous tax-and-spend bill concealed in a cloak of green political correctness. The real purpose of the plan is to dramatically enhance the power of Washington politicians by giving them control over vast swaths of the U.S. economy.

Think of this as the death blow for our already teetering rule of law and free market economy. Just as we've seen politicians make arbitrary decisions in banking and the automobile industry, this new central planning of energy will let them exercise similar control over all aspects of the U.S. economy. This type of control, while perhaps well-intentioned, we saw in the 20th century inevitably fails and often leads to despotism.

The outcome in the House is still in doubt. House Blue Dog chairwoman Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-S.D.) said in an interview with Energy and Environment Daily last week that Blue Dogs will not vote for the bill if it's brought up this week. She said:

"Many will insist that we have a number of days to review the language ourselves, to have back and forth with our constituencies and stakeholder groups, to understand how the system with a significant manager's amendment will work. Yes, absolutely, we need to chew on this awhile."

Obviously, Nancy Pelosi is ignoring the concerns of the Blue Dogs, and of all the Democrats from Middle America whose constituents will be slammed with vastly higher energy prices under the plan. Constituents who don't share the smug self-satisfaction that coastal elites will enjoy, that warm, green feeling that's supposed to make it all worthwhile.

If these so-called moderate Democrats fall in line behind the radical leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Henry Waxman, if they vote for a cap-and-trade tax that President Obama famously said will cause energy prices to necessarily skyrocket, they will expose themselves as radical leftists and out of touch with their districts.

Every American who cares about affordable energy and economic freedom needs to contact his or her member of Congress before this vote and demand a no vote on cap-and-trade. The House switchboard is 202-225-3121 or you can use this form on the AFP web site. If they vote for this, they deserve the full political consequences.

They had the votes before they started.  They hoped to use the Rs to help this disaster, who got shut out at the end of this thanks to Pelosi, who has no control over her caucus, anyway.  The drivebys won't report this.

Second, many Dems are scared ** about not getting elected again.  Other Dems waited until the very end of voting to cast their vote to play the game to win both ways.  Mine, for ex., is all for this mess, but has been saying how he'll vote it down.  That's b/c he's got a strong opponent and he can't afford something this risky.

Think of it this way.  You have surgery to repair your left leg and the doc cuts off your right one instead.  So you go back to the same doc who screwed it up to fix it.  That's exactly what you have here.  You wouldn't do this in your private life, so why would it be okay for those on The Hill to behave in the same way?

Their Oct. surprise failed (for now).

Here's an eye-opening article:

http://www.aim.org/don-irvine-blog/cap-and-trade-woes-in-europe/

The government should have made absolutely sure our soldiers' votes were here on time and if not, dammit, we should postpone the election until they do.  They are leaving their families and risking their lives to protect this country and they don't even get a vote on who runs it?? That has me fuming mad!!!!!!!