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Oops, thought I was in the U.S.!!

Posted By: Elecampane on 2006-09-18
In Reply to: Demeaning this country & President is out of line. - nm

And I guess peace ain't as popular as it used to be.....seems to be a really dirty word on this board.


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    I just thought it might be nice to hear an original thought. sm
    I guess I was reaching.
    Thought this was good so I thought I'd share

    Down the drain?  Beware of Obama's plan to 'spread the wealth around'


    By Betsy Newmark
    High School History and Government Teacher/Blogger


    If the McCain campaign can’t use this Obama quote to raise doubts about his attitude towards wealth and success, then they deserve the shellacking they seem headed for.


    “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?” the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed “more and more for fulfilling the American dream.”


    “It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,” Obama responded. “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”


    Plumbers of the country, unite! Forget about the work and effort you put into building up a business or the scummy work that you do that many of us don’t know or don’t want to do. If you have succeeded, you should be willing to give up more of what you earn to help those who haven’t had the great good luck that you have had to be a successful plumber. Remember how Obama is going to give 95% of all of us a tax cut even though over 30% of the population doesn’t pay taxes?



    He might call it a tax credit, but what he’s really doing is his vision of “spreading the wealth around.” It sounds a lot like Huey Long’s 1935 plan to “Share the Wealth.” And when he finds that he can’t tax the top 5% of the population to gain enough wealth to spread to the 95% of the rest of us, do you really think that he’ll stop with that 5%?


    Remember…This is the guy who said in the ABC debate during the primary season that his approach to raising tax on capital gains is not based on whether it would provide more revenue but on his idea of what is fair:


    GIBSON: All right. You have, however, said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, “I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton,” which was 28 percent. It’s now 15 percent. That’s almost a doubling, if you went to 28 percent.


    But actually, Bill Clinton, in 1997, signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.


    OBAMA: Right.


    GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.


    OBAMA: Right.


    GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.


    So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?


    OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.


    Just what we need in these fragile economic times — a guy who wants to raise taxes because he thinks it’s a matter of “fairness” and time to “spread the wealth around.”


    That will be some incentive for other plumbers who want to work hard and build up a successful business.


    But don’t worry - according to Joe Biden, it’s the patriotic thing to do.


    Haha! I thought I was the only one who thought he looked

    Oh MM, oops, I mean gt. SM
    I think you have enough hate for the whole world.  I'll leave that to you.
    Oops!

    I see they also accused you of being me (and/or others) in your more current posts using the ?? moniker.  In reading your posts there, it was obvious you were sincerely looking for debate, and all you did was ask intelligent questions that should have led to an intelligent debate.  Instead it lead to more personal attacks and name calling, without EVER once addressing the ISSUE you were attempting to address.  I'm sorry you were treated so badly there.  You did nothing to deserve their wrath, other than act like a normal respectful human being with valid questions, and they have little tolerance for people like that. 


    If you search further down on this board, you'll see where I attempted to debate one of them here well over a month ago.  The person, who I was fooled into believing was sincere about being here to debate, clearly didn't have any responses, though she promised to respond later and never did.  She had the golden opportunity to add something of value and continue the debate process I had begun, but she chose to ignore that and I suppose found more pleasure in insulting others, adding nothing of substance or value to this board, as they constantly do to their own board. 


    They constantly accuse liberals on this board of being heinous people, their most favorite accusation seeming to be how hateful we all are, yet I think they honestly don't realize how hateful they come across constantly.  Or maybe they do.  Who knows?


    Oops, try this one.sm
    http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/disowning-conservative-politics-is/20060729195809990005?ncid=NWS00010000000001
    oops
    that would be though they are all bad


    Little Dem oops...
    Y'know how the Democrats were so opposed to McCain's proposed holiday from the gas tax while gas was so high? Welllll....seems the Dem Nat'l Committee has not only been enjoying tax-free gas in Denver (site of convention), they have been getting it totally free on the front end because there is no signed contract in place to pay for the gas used (even it is tax free), they basically told the Denver mayor they were "good for it." Well, guess they can borrow from Barack if they get in a pinch...lol. The Mayor is the one who offered gas tax free...and seems the state of Colorado has taken exception to that, and the state revenue dept launched an investigation because that is a no-no...the state did not agree to wave the gas tax, and why did the Dems Natl Committee even agree to that when they had been totally against it for the rest of us out here struggling, even for a little gas tax holiday. LOL. Sooo typical. Do as we SAY America, NOT as we DO. Unnnbelievable. LOL. When asked about it, the mayor replied, obviously before having checked with the St. Paul people..."The Republicans are doing the same thing in St. Paul!" Well, number one, they aren't; but even if they were, that somehow makes it right? LOL. The Republicans were FOR a gas tax holiday. The Dems were against it. Well...except the Dem Natl Committee it seems. Heard a local Denver radio show talking about it. Seems not all Denverites, Dem and Repub alike, are impressed with this decision...go figure.
    Oops. sm
    I did research it...

    His wife outed him.

    Obama used the roundtable audience, as she did yesterday, to describe her husband's understanding of women's issues through the prism of the strong -- but sometimes struggling -- women in his life.

    His own mother, she said at the beginning of her remarks, was "very young and very single when she had him." And, Obama added, he has observed his wife's attempts to reconcile motherhood with her career aspirations.

    "He sees me, his wife, who struggles every day with that guilt that we all hold deep in our hearts as women," she said. "That guilt that you don't have the choice to stay home, and even if you do, you feel guilty."

    "He has seen me struggle with this my entire life," she added. "Trust me, Barack understands the struggles of women."

    Exactly diametrically opposite from things that have been posted here today.

    I don't think Sarah Palin, OR Barack Obama's mother, deserve this kind of criticism.
    Oops! nm
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    the one who received the disability within two months.... was "HEARING VOICES" .... whatever.... if you ask me, the only voice he has never heard was the one telling him to continue to be lazy and work the system.
    Oops. (sm)

    Sorry.  Didn't see that. 


    Oops. big bad me
    I made a <gasp> typo!  OMG I am the scourge of humanity.  No as a matter of fact I did not write in Nader.  Guess again.
    I told you what I thought he thought....
    and thank you so much for reducing it to "a piece."

    That being said, here is link to article from Wall Street Journal about both candidates and outsourcing...Obama is not going to stop it either. He has said on the stump the answer is more highly educated American workers to compete.

    It seems to me, and although you may think this is also a "piece," that if you put our corporate tax rates lower, if that corporation is inclined to hire Americans and not outsource then they will do so.

    You honestly think the majority of corporations just WANT to outsource and taxes don't matter?


    Oops, message above

    OOPS, THAT SHOULD BE REPUBLICAN!!! SORRY!!
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    Oops,sorry about the typo. I should know better sm
    after 25 years as an MT. 20 lashes with a wet noodle.
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    I meant she does not consider people who do service-oriented jobs as human beings (otherwise she would not have made the comment that she is going to start considering the cleaning lady as a real person).
    Oops I forgot to add
    I'd also like to know what it is about Obama that you love. And also why are you comparing Gov Palin to Sen Obama and not Sen Biden.
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    I see that now.  (Not sure what I was thinking when I posted that.)


    Like you, when I can afford to give to a charity, I have always chosen to give to the Salvation Army.


    Oops - yes I am one in the same - just want to be honest
    I used grim reaper above cos that's what I thought of when I read the article I posted. Guess I should have put Grim Reaper/Just me as my name so there wouldn't have been any confusion.
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    wrong impression of you, JTBB! I do wish you could have this same assurance, it is yours for the asking!
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    http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/news/0113.html
    oops above post have said sm message, not NM

    sorry 'bout that.........


    "you're" oops.
    i hate spelling errors! :)
    oops - my subject line got cut off
    I just like that she is "up" on energy policies - not sure if that's coming out right, but i've been reading good things about that.
    Joe and Hunter and MBNA - oops!
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/25/us/politics/25biden.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&oref=slogin
    Oops! Don't say Amen - not everyone believes the same!
    =)
    Oops...nice typo! (nm)

    (oops - got cut off) - They're still a species
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    you will notice, he is getting his economic TEAM together to come up with him some new IDEAS for a new policy. You would think he could come up with his own ideas and then ask for help making them work.
    oops forgot the link - here it is

    http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html