Opine away, but when spreading vicious slander,

Posted By: cite your source or expect discredit. nm on 2008-10-15
In Reply to: Nope, some are definitely rapid obama kool aid drinkers...sm - sm

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All the hysteria about Obama on this forum - is pretty funny! (Except for the fact - sm
- Oh please - Old part-timer
  - Excuse me while I cry foul over "kill him" and - "off with his head." Raising the issue of..
    - I assume you speak for yourself - Curb your paranoia
- This is not hysteria - it is people expressing their concerns - hmmm
  - So what happens to you if O wins? Are your - brains going to implode & vaporize?
    - No, what happens if you finally realize you made a mistake. nm - My church has all the same ministries
      - Your CHURCH doesn't belong in America's - GOVERNMENT. Period!
      - Does anyone here speak McCain supporter incoherence? - We need your services to decipher this post. nm
        you substitute the "f" in if with an "s" and make it "is". I know, it's tough, - MeMT
- A lot of the hysterical people at McCain rallies these days are Obama plants.... - anyone can see that.
  - True Republicans do not have outbursts like that...sm - I agree
    - I can think of a few other things Republicans - probably don't have, as well.
    - sounds like extreme liberal games to me to make mccain look bad...sm - me too, agree
      - McCain doesn't need help looking bad. - His rabid supporters are doing a fine job with tha
        Nope, some are definitely rapid obama kool aid drinkers...sm - sm
        Opine away, but when spreading vicious slander, - cite your source or expect discredit. nm
        kool-aid drinkers? Obama did a lot more than - kool-aid...keeps him going
    - Neither do Obama supporters. Your party needs a - double candidate/platform transplant. nm
    - Are you serious? That's the funniest - comment yet.
  - Anyone suffering from auditory and - visual hallucinations.
    - Surely you realize his campaign is low enough - to do that... nm
      - Right you are... "How low can it go?" - sheesh
  - hahaha! Are you PARANOID, or what? - (There's medication for that, you know...)
    - Paranoid are those that believe Obama is their - "messiah".....too afraid of the facts
      - Incoherence is a contagious disease in McC camp - with T-minus 21 and counting. nm
        And still you have nothing...... - not surprised though sm
        I got double-digits. - What you got?
        Aaah, I see you're not up to date on the latest - news.....hmmmmmm
        No source? Of course not. - Delusions of grandeur won't win elections. nm
        And hopefully neither will lying crooks - or worse............nm
        No danger there. No lying crooks are running. - Did you forget to post the source? nm
        Tabloid "news" doesn't count. - ;p
      - Okay, that argument aside, here's a legitimate - question for both sides:
        here are a few if my candidates lose - - see msg
        McCain ain't my candidate and Obama definitely - isn't, heck, he's not even legal
        so i guess it won't really matter to you - either way, then. NM
        The thing I hate to see the most - sm
        What about the other party? - not much difference?
        And you're not even truthful. - Urban myth does not win elections. nm
        Do you even bother to get your head out of your - butt long enough to fact check?
        Here's a fact just for you. Pubs keep filing lawsuits to nowhere - on that citizenship issue. nm
        Gee wilikers....but the judge won't dismiss - this one.....geeeze!!!
        Still waiting for that source. In the meantime, - Check this out. sm
        Retire, pull op stakes and become - an American refugee. nm
- You are so desperate you will vote for anything - wont' you? sm
  - See? You're proving the very point made about - the ignorance behind all the - sm
    - Well, I am independent, but would understand the - "right-wing rage" over the hatred from the l
      - over the hatred from the left... I see so much of it - especially towards Palin...just disgusting.nm
        I am independent as well and see what happens - when dems have nothing
        Nothing except a double-digit lead. - I'll settle for that.
        Aaah, I see you're not up to date on the latest - news...hmmmm
        aaahhh... I see someone has made a - MACRO for answering posts!
        No, just mindless posts like yours - don't waste my time......nm
        We wouldn't think of it. You are wasting enough - of your time all by yourself. nm
        Denial won't turn those numbers around. - In fact, it's going to take a miracle.
        Not backing McCain....just hate to know a low life - is heading up my country
        What exactly makes him a low-life, besides just - you saying that is so?
        Gee, I don't know...... - lets see
        Ok. Because you said so, THAT'S why. - blame dems in congress for economy....sm
        True - it's been all over the news tonight how - their rancor is turning voters off.
    - Your kind live in a fantasy land....too lazy to even - read up............sm
      - Whatever. Like I said before, there IS - medication to help with paranoia.
        Aaah, typical response from an O lover - no facts you have.......nm
        Like Yoda you do talk. - ;D
        And still you have nothing...... - nm
        From an objective observer. - Nothing from nothing leaves nothing. nm

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Honestly, it was the "please opine" comment
that struck me the same way. I thought, prior to that, it was a decent discussion.

There has been so much petty partisanship here lately that I guess I took it the wrong way. I apologize.

Vicious and Nasty

Just vote early and get over yourselves. Unbelievable.

Yes, Sam -these people are vicious and hateful.
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I say YES to spreading the wealth

I am happy that FINALLY someone is standing up for the middle class. I am happy that finally we will be given some tax breaks. The wealth does NOT trickle down when the tax breaks are given to the upper class/business that fall in that tax bracket. They do not create more jobs, therefore strengthening the middle class/economy. What they do is line their pockets and get rich and then save even more money and get even more tax breaks by sending work overseas and hiring people that will gladly work for way less an hour, therefore driving the value of American jobs down so that the rest of us, who are stuck trying to make it, find a decent paying job, are screwed. I am voting for Obama and I think he is going to win.

spreading the wealth
no I dont and I dont want to. But I do know about working my butt off and my husband his. My husband has lost his job as a finish trim carpenter because of this ecomony. I also know that since Bush has been in office, our lives have been that much harder. Prices have gone up on EVERYTHING but our pay has not. I also know that McCain did nothing but support Bush over the last eight years and only just recently has tried to separate himself from him. Even McCain has said that he voted 90 percent of the time with Bush. That is ALL I need to know. By the way, not everyone who is having a hard time these days are people who refuse to work. Not everyone that votes for Obama are people that are on welfare. I have never been on welfare and would never be on welfare. But unfortunately, the days of just simply working hard and getting ahead are gone. It is NOT true. I have been smart with my money, I work hard and I have been responsible with my credit but I cant see where I am getting anywhere.

I believe the OP was asking a question, not spreading rumors.
Sheesh. OP didn't even state it as fact - give some credit for that!

Shame on you for spreading right-wing propaganda!
:p

Spreading the wealth in action...love it!
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McCain is not talking about spreading the wealth either.
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Maybe now peole will wake up and smell the SHIITE that Obama's been spreading.
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Actually ANY slander is despicable, also in our
daily life.

and let's NOT forget personal slander
You all have directly slandered MT, and it shouldn't be tolerated in any form.

I'll hand your bog back to you and step aside.

Declawed here, but your sophmoric slander
#

Another rightwing slander group. Is that all you got? nm
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Another leftwing slander group. Is that all you got?- sm
You have no proof whatsoever to back any of this up.

This is about as good as when they said she banned books from the library and one of those books was Harry Potter. What the leftwing forgot to remember was Harry Potter hadn't even been written yet when they said she banned it.

The leftwingers are in a frenzy to try and trash McCain & Palin because it's not looking to great for Obama and Biden. If Obama and Biden were so great and "everyone" wanted him as president he would be soaring ahead in the polls. But he's not. He's neck and neck and depending on which poll you read he's either ahead or behind by just a few points.

Does your Bible also teach you to lie and slander
You are misinformed about Islam and the Quran and the speech you use here is hateful. The Quran does not teach hate....people teach hate. Got it?

It is not slander. It is freedom of speech

Generally speaking, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation.Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:

A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
Damage to the plaintiff.

A defense recognized in most jurisdictions is "opinion". If the person makes a statement of opinion as opposed to fact, the statement may not support a cause of action for defamation. Whether a statement is viewed as an expression of fact or opinion can depend upon context - that is, whether or not the person making the statement would be perceived by the community as being in a position to know whether or not it is true

Example: A defense similar to opinion is "fair comment on a matter of public interest". If the mayor of a town is involved in a corruption scandal, expressing the opinion that you believe the allegations are true is not likely to support a cause of action for defamation.

Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages.

I.E., what the poster stated was freedom of speech, not slander, libel or defamation of character. It is a known fact that O hung around with not-so-nice people until he ran for President. Is that slander? Nope.

The poster was giving an opinion. That is freedom of speech. If it was slander, O would have be having a lot of lawsuits on his hands towards all the people who have ever stated anything against him, which would probably be around 250,000,000....including me...out of 300,000,000 people living in the USA.

Presenting 2 sides to a story is not slander.
Returning insults lobbed in the absence of substance when faced with uncontestable fact is hardly defamatory. Show some respect and engage in the points of debate and you just might get the same in return. If not, response in kind will hardly be basis for removing me from the board. You should know very well by now just how hot things can get around the kitchen tables in Palestine.

because slander is the 1st stage of violence and abuse...sm
the next step is physical abuse, the next is murder.

As it happens so often.

Drew the sophomoric slander straight from you....your own words....
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if you accept and confuse slander as freedom of speech
I would not like to socialize with you.

I was talking about the slander that is going on on this board! Wake up, Patty!..nm
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Not tolerant of people who mislead and slander, invent fiction and then say it's true.

freedom of speech excludes and stops at slander and foul language...sm
You are slandering the President of the United States out of ignorance, shame on you!

Where is this written in the Constitution that it is allowed to grossly insult the President?

Even if I disagree with the decisions of the President, I would NEVER slander him.

I am an independent, not a liberal, and I never slandered Bush, although I very much disagreed with him.

Therefore there are presidential elections set every 4 years, when we can elect another President, but we are disrespecting ourselves by slandering the President the majority of the population voted.

And you are calling yourselves
American citizens?

What a hypocrisy.

You are insulting the incumbent President of the United States of America and it is not even PROVEN that he made mistakes up until now. That you disagree with him, does not make it a mistakes from O's side. Or do you want to say that you are better qualified to be the President of the United States?

Can you all look into the future, like Nostradamus?