Right back at ya....hard party line no matter what...
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-08
In Reply to: There is one word that describes Republicans & their party: - "SELFISH".
as long as the DNC gets what it wants and you all just follow along. Just because we would like smaller government and less government hands on our pocketbooks does not make us selfish. What do you call someone who wants to take something away from someone who earned it and hand it to someone who didn't? What is the word for that? Stealing. Should we be calling the socialist Democrats thieves?
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No, hard line Democrats probably won't...
but a lot of those mad Hillary voters probably will. A lot of Republican and conservative women who were on the fence will now fall to the repub side. at least that is my take on it.
It is a good day for America, the republicans, and women. A very good day!
according to you, just everything, no matter how hard and what
way O tries, is wrong.
All this is all well and good and right down the Democratic party line...
the fact is...a few months ago Joe Biden said: "I would be proud to be on a ticket with John McCain." Last night he attacked him. So...take your pick. He was lying then or he is lying now. He lied. Perhaps you are impressed by throwing friends under the bus, lying or whatever it takes to toe the party line. I am not. I think it shows marked lack of character. To each his own.
Questioning his experience is not a personal attack, spineless or otherwise. You could leave the spineless personal attacks on people who disagree with you to the side, it might make someone more willing to listen to your viewpoint. What I have heard him say in interviews, what he has said himself, plus the marked lack of foreign policy exposure and experience in his resume do cause me pause. Yes, I admit it. The fact that I fear he will fold like a house of cards if someone gets in his face is a concern. It really does not matter to me if you are sold on him...I am not. And that should not be the basis of an attack on me from you. THis is exactly what I am talking about. Obama supporters attack anyone who does not agree with them. Thank you for making my point.
By all means though...STAY LOYAL TO THE CAUSE OF THE PARTY. Friends under the bus, lie, whatever it takes. I get it.
I didn't get that party line change momo
Believe it not all Republicans aren't Christian or conservative. Corruption is not limited to just one party either, so remember when you point a finger you have three more pointing back at you. Corruption is going to happen because we've all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God not that it excuses any bad behavior.
Excellent link - I never did "buy" the party line
I'm forwarding the link to everyone I know.
What's sad is it doesn't matter which party
The liberal dems wring their hands about the plight of these people and want to let them stay (and hand them the moon) for 'humanitarian' reasons.
The conservative reps support the corporate interests of a ready supply of cheap labor (and we know how well that's worked for MTs), appealing to the citizen's desire for inexpensive products.
Bottom line is that they're both seeking the vote of the millions of Hispanic immigrants, both legal and illegal*.
*: Anything can be bought. The same social security cards and driver's license that some use to get work are used to register to vote. It's harder to cash a check at my bank than it is to register to vote.
Isn't the party line "good christian moral values" or something like that? sm
If they are going to espouse all that good moral values stuff, the least they could do would be to acknowledge it in their own loves. The GOP won the election (supposedly) on the stand that they would bring back all that good value bullcrap to government. So, I guess we're seeing it now, huh?
Fillibuster is a crappy way to do business, no matter which party you are, JMHO.
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last line of Matthews piece cut off in error. 1 line sm
complained in a letter to his boss that Matthews had shown a pattern of sexism.
Actually, I answered your posts line by line
about not "allowing" you to have an opinion. Those are your words, not mine. This is a good example of how this discussion has escalated from a simple link to this utter squashed bug nonsense. Why are you not able to simply debate the original issue at hand...the Eric Holder appointment? Too much of an intellectual challenge when somebody presents a THIRD-PARTY alternative viewpoint? You are the one who mentioned losing sleep and I remarked that it was probably unnecessary since you were blowing something out of proportion....something you have been doing all afternoon. You takes things WAY too personally.
I am an independent....neither party is "my" party.
THis election cycle I believe the best man is a Republican. Do your research. John McCain warned about this in 2005, named Fannie and freddie by name, co-sponsored legislation to control them. Blocked by Democrats, led by Chris Dodd..same guy now trying to fix what he and the Dems broke. Chris Dodd, #1 on contributions list from fannie/freddie, followed closely by #2, your shining knight Mr. Obama. The chickens have come home to roost all right...or should I say the donkeys. :)
get on back, neocon, get on back
Tell ya what, sweetheart, last I checked this is the LIBERAL BOARD and I havent been banned, as I dont break the rules, so I can stay as long as I want..Seems to me, conservative, you are the one who should mosey on by and get back to drink more Kook-Aid.
Hard to believe
that there are still people in this country who can't see this, who still worship Bush no matter how badly he disregards the Constitution and American freedom. Our forefathers must be turning in their graves.
It is hard to believe, but a lot believe whatever sm
they hear on TV news, etc. They have heard the term our democracy so much, everyone believes this is our form of government, but it is not. America is a Constitutional Republic. Things are said enough and you eventually believe them. This is how propaganda works.
not so hard to believe
from http://www.infowars.net/articles/may2006/100506clinton.htm
The Clintons and the Bushes have been known to vacation together in more recent times. Earlier this year on CBS, Clinton revealed that he looks upon the Bushes as a surrogate family, and how Barbara Bush refers to him as her son. Is this really a picture of two distinct and opposed political ideologies pitted against one another?
You know, if you look hard enough
on the internet you can find "facts" to back up just about any ridiculous claim from two-headed monsters, to ape babies to all sorts of conspiracy theories. There's even a cult that worship their own stool (yes I am not making this up) and I'm sure this cult has multiple references and "facts" to back up their beliefs in preserving their feces forever.
But all that doesn't make it true. And the discriminating and intelligent person should be able to tell feces from fact, but apparently you can't.
Don't you get it? SP 1st in line. JM=72.
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Who says they don't fit, maybe you are just not trying hard enough! nm
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Must have been hard..........sm
to hold that little baby, knowing it was thrown away by her mother and had to suffer such consequences. I sometimes think situations like that are worse than even the partial birth abortion.
That is really out of line and
comparing Obama to Hitler? Talk about paranoid. There is nothing to suggest Obama is Marxist or Nazi. This is all hate and pot stirring rhetoric. Boy some people just operate on fear and are sour grapes that the majority of the people have spoken and Obama was chosen.
Hard to believe
Question is who is behind him and who put him where he is. This is an old article but the issues are still current. And this is from..The Pakistan Daily (not America)
http://www.daily.pk/world/84-worldnews/6726-barack-obama-is-not-a-us-citizen.html
Not hard to believe
First, I find trying to associate Sarah Palin with this lady is ridiculous.
Obama's associations not so ridiculous, especially when there are pictures, witnesses, etc.
Second, it is not so hard to believe that Sarah and Todd have not met these people. My mom and dad did not meet my inlaws until 2 weeks before our wedding when we had a dinner. And my mom's parents didn't meet her inlaws until maybe a week before her wedding.
You really should come up with a better line.
No such thing as Bush juice. But I wouldn't expect less from someone on the kool-aid.
Trying really hard to think
why I would care what Rick Warren thinks.
This is not hard to
In the view of Christians:
1. God does not condone evil, nor does He protect those who commit evil acts from the consequences of those actions.
2. There is a responsibility to protect the innocent that supercedes any conflicting obligation that might exist toward those who would kill them.
3. God was much harsher toward the oppressors of the innocent than anything the CIA has ever done. Try reading about the plagues He visited upon Egypt if you want to talk "torture".
I could go on, but there's no point. I'll just say thank God for Christians; a lot of people are alive in Los Angeles because we were able to disrupt a plan that was already in motion. If left up to the faux moralists (who would torture their own grandmothers in a minute if they thought it would save their own lives), those people would be dead. But hey - no AL Qaida would have had to look at a caterpillar!
You are very welcome. Its hard sm
to keep up with when you work for them much less the general public.
Yep, it's not hard to believe that the neocon
Limberger is a liar in the midst of all of his drama how can he keep a story straight?
He probably forgets half of it anyway, that's the drug effect.
Laughing so hard I go...
into silent laughing, mode, thinking I will fall off my chair but I don't. That's how much I am laughing at this. He did make an appearance and say something, however lukewarm it was, I will say that for him, more than others do when they actually do kill/lie/out people. Chavez, on the other hand, is giving oil away, giving billions to help Cuba and The Dominican Republic with oil prices which have soared to $4 a gallon in the islands. It is part of what he calls Petrocaribe. He is helping to rebuild decrepit refineries in the islands as well. Same goes for his own country where you can fill your tank for about $2. Whatever his politics are; he is sharing the wealth of his country with, omg!!! real everyday people and poor everyday people. What an evil dangerous man. I think we should kill him. Want to really annoy a Republican...share whether or not the person/country with whom you are sharing meets your own moral criteria for giving, you know, the worthy poor versus the unworthy poor. And before anyone starts in with Chavez beomg a communist, socialist, a danger to the United States tripe, I have one word...China.
Not really that hard to grasp.
A great article about the Gulf of Tonkin incident can be read here:
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/
g/gu/gulf_of_tonkin_incident.htm
But to answer more plainly, the point is that Johnson in all ways was a dead ringer for today's Republicans. He did not represent the Democratic ideals then or now. Interesting snip of the article:
Most Americans know little of the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Historians have shown that the Johnson administration provoked the incident with the intention of crafting a pretext for making overt the American covert involvement in Vietnam.
Sound like anyone you know? Sound like two Texas politicians might have owned the same playbook? Should either one of them be admired for that? I can certainly say no!
So when are those on the Wrong Right going to place blame where blame is clearly due on BOTH sides of the aisle?
That's the only line you took from the speech...sm
But you think Bush who admits that he did drugs - obviously inhaled or sniffed, and was an alcoholic is a living testimony of credibility. Is there a double standard here?
Newsweek on-line
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I find it hard to believe you don't see it.
Oh geez. The least you could do is get a new line...
you asked me that same question under a different moniker not long ago. At least get some new material. Geez! And as far as emailing you...not in this lifetime. I did that once...once burned, many time shy. You guys can get pretty hateful on this board, but a sailor could take lessons from you when you are uncensored...LOL Had enough of potty-mail all-tolerant liberals to last me a lifetime. And anybody knows you can have more than one email going to the same place. Geez. Get a new schtick. This one is oldddd.
The bottom line is....
from 1870 to the 1960's the majority of elected Democrats in Congress, with the help of a small minority of southern Republicans, effectively denied African Americans the right to vote for 90 years FOLLOWING the civil war. If you are saying that seeking their freedom and giving them the right to vote is a "liberal" movement, then it was the Republicans in majority, not the Democrats in majority, who were the "liberals" of that time.
In my mind, we are all tied up in semantics. The passion and commitment to something that to each of us is morally right is not liberal nor conservative. It is a human characteristic. None of us, I suppose, are truly liberal or truly conservative. It is a mixture. Some "liberals" agree with me that abortion is morally wrong and are against it for that reason, yet still consider themselves liberals. Some "conservatives" (such as Guiliani) do not agree on abortion and are pro choice, yet still call themselves conservative. I made a comment on the conservative board regarding the fires in California and was accused of sounding like a "bleeding heart liberal." So, in essence, over time people have identified certain characteristics and tried to put them in a liberal or a conservative box. And because we are human, and because we are different and have different ideas, we do not fit into boxes and ideas cross over. Hence, no true liberals or true conservatives....and that fact does not bother me at all, though it does bother some.
It is just that some of us love the labels more than others, I guess; the labels make them feel good, like they are affiliated with something noble...and what the labels mean to us individually, and some get very angry if someone questions the label.
I guess my prefrence is not to be labeled.
And that is what it is...a label, in the grand scheme of things. Because no one can really agree on what it means. Everyone puts their own personal spin on it. That is the nature of the human condition.
I would say a big no on that one - why are people trying so hard to get her in
I haven't figured out yet why people are trying so hard to get her into office. She should go back to being a Senator from NY. She even said earlier in her campaign that being a Senator is a very good job. I have not figured out (and I really have tried to be objectionable) as to why people want her back in there. Doesn't anyone remember what it was like when the Clintons were in before. I know that speaker of the house doesn't get her "in" the white house, but you have to remember that if something happens to President and VP then speaker of the house is next in line. That would make me very nervous and I'd be constantly looking over my shoulder as to what she and Bill are up to. I think she should go back to being a senator or congress person and leave it at that.
Its hard to calm down
You know when Kerry ran against Bush I did not feel this way. When Gore ran it was a little different because he was still associated with the clintons and I didn't not want a Clinton 3rd term. I just can't understand how someone can say something so shameful and hurtful. I can't even imagine what Obama's wife is thinking. Probably one of her biggest fears, and then along comes her husband's oponent and says something like this? Just really gets the blood pressure going. Some of the media is trying to make excuses for her but there is just no excuse. I wouldn't think so harshly if she had come out right away and said in no way did she mean what came out of her mouth, but she waits til the end of the day and then tries to cover it up and doesn't even apologize. Despicable and sleezy!!!!!!
The last line of your post is....
So, the "God is telling me I need to fight for all unborn fetuses" is a religious issue and should be there. Tired of seeing line after line after line of religious opinions on the political board.
You also said this: If your trying to make an argument with the "I'm fighting for all the unborn fetus'" and God is telling you this, blah, blah, blah, that's all great but it should be on the "Faith" board.
I never said anything remotely like that. To suggest I did is not true. TO use your own words, I take offense to someone who makes judgments about me without knowing me. You can make judgments about me, but no way should I make any about you?
Generally when something is not true it is a lie. I did not directly call you a liar. However, I apologize for any inference if there was any. How's this? What you said is not true. I never said God told me to do anything. I never said religion was my motivator. You made assumptions about me and you don't know me.
It is not hard to read posts on abortion at all, in caps or not. Just don't click to open it.
You and the others have made your point ad nauseam about how tired you are of it. I am tired of being told what I can post and what I can't, just as tired as you are of seeing abortion threads. And none of the threads would be near as long as they are if "they" ( I won't include you since you say you are not one of them) didn't pile on and bash me. It would just beone lone post. And believe me, as tired as you are of seeing abortion posts I am tired of the endless bashing that goes with them.
Yes, I said if it chaps you so be it, and it obviously does. You are basically saying the same thing to me: stop the abortion posts or take them somewhere else, and if it chaps you, so be it. Okay for you, not okay for me.
And to use your words..enough has been said about it and it is getting old.
Get a new line. That prayer cop-out
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Look down the line...sure are a lot from YOU..with no point
other than to bash sam. Pot callin' the kettle wouldn't you say?
I really find it hard to believe
the Clintons when I know deep down they don't want him for prez either. How can you endorse someone when you tried so hard to put them down and show they weren't right for the job in the first place?
Disregard name line.
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What is so hard about answering a
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That may be, but it is hard for me to understand....sm
after being a prisoner of war and saying he was tortured that he can say that torture of prisoners is OK. This only puts our soldiers in harm's way.
See. Was that so hard? It is up to anyone who reads it...
what to take from it.
And I think he works very hard trying to ...
take down a God he doesn't even believe exists by ridiculing people who know He exists. If God doesn't exist, what difference does it make? Methinks he doth protest too much...lol. Lotta guilt there from somewhere. lol.
The name line should read
continue with body of original post.
Bottom line
Obama is going to win, that's what counts.
He must do something right, if the majority wants Barrack Obama.
No, what's hard is not getting banned from
I work hard and get no help from anybody.
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It is very hard to believe this senario when...sm
she says she is an MT and between she and her husband are earning 24,000 a year and working their butts off. Something just doesn't add up. She is the one that brought the subject up about what she and her husband make. Her opinion of what working her butt of means and mine is very different. 40 hours a week as an MT even with minimum production and a the lowest cents per line would easily add up to more than 18-20,000 a year. Hello.
It is hard to believe that so many people
can put so much hope, trust, adoration and committment, thus making a god of this man. It is plain sickening.
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