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Sigh. Trouble is, if they get what they ask for....

Posted By: sam on 2008-10-30
In Reply to: I'm sure he was, Sam......sm - m

we all get it. Like I said...at least I can take comfort in the fact that I will have had nothing to do with the demise of freedom in this country as we know it. This whole thing with Joe really brought that home in a BIG way. Civil rights down the tubes.


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And we'd big in trouble if he did nothing.

That's where we are as a nation, between a rock and hard place.  Suck it up!


Why do you think we'd be in big trouble

if he did nothing?


On the mortgage debacle, I say let the one's who took bit off more than they could chew, fail. They put themselves in this position.


Those that have been paying their mortgages all along and are now trying to keep their homes should be helped since the prices fell so far so fast. 


Bigger is not alwasy better and some people need to learn that the hard way. Home prices went too high to fast. The bubble was bound to burst. Those that bought into those inflated prices that they couldn't afford should not have done it. Look at the couple in FL. They waited and saved to buy their dream home. They wound up buying  a home that was foreclosed on for only $80K. The house had sold to someone for $235,000. 


Why do people need bathrooms as large as a bedroom anyway? Whose idea was that? How long do you spend in a bathroom every day anyway? A tub as big as a swimming pool? a fire place? Terrazine(sp) tile? Subway tile? Granite counters? The cost is outrageous. We went to buy a separate shower for our extra bathroom 5 years ago. It cost $150. We went back a year later and it was up to $450. Needless to say, we still don't have a shower for our extra bathroom.


My list of people who started this housing crap are the developers, the companies who make the products that go into the homes, the real estate agents who put the price tag on the home after the developer gave their price, and the mortgage lenders/banks who pushed the bad loans.


 


Now I do believe she is in trouble.
She has now accused the CIA of lying to her. No one else, just her. Seriously?

Here's what I think will happen:
1. The investigation will continue and she will be proven a liar - the CIA will help out with this one, I'm sure, with documentation confirming that she knew early on everything that happened.

OR
2. The democrats will ask her to step aside, seeing her for the liability that she is, in order to put the whole nasty mess behind them and do what Obama has suggested and look forward.

Either way, if I had money, I'd bet that her political career is pretty much over. I must say, too, that it couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
I know his campaign is in big trouble.

Seems to me he thought he found something and before confirming it, he started appearing on talk shows.  At the most, he knowingly lied and wanted to tell his base what they wanted to hear. 


At the least, he's reckless and sloppy in his approach to things. 


I suppose the true test of his character will be if he comes clean and admits he was wrong.


Other than that, I find it increasingly difficult on a daily basis to understand why some of these politicians do what they do, both Republican and Democrat alike.


This country is in such trouble.

I will not vote for someone who wants to create more government assisted programs.  We are in deep crap now because of government spending.  That will only make our economy worse.  All of our money will be put into government programs, the spending will go up instead of down, and all the money we dish out in taxes to pay for all of this crap will most definitely not go towards our deficit.  It will only get bigger than it is now and it is HUGE right now.  There is no way that Obama can only go after rich people and tax them more.  It still wouldn't be enough to pay for all these "plans" he has.  God help us!


NOBAMA!!!


i had trouble staying with what JM was saying -
it was rambling & almost incoherent.
Media causes trouble
I think half the time it is the broadcasting of such statements that prompt people to react in such a way. It's almost like they feel it is expected, so they then act out.

Plus the whole group mentality is freaky. Look at what people do sometimes after big sports events (like college games) ... even the winners. Like a pack of dogs!
I think they have been in trouble for some time (sm)
but I think the credit freeze just topped it off.  I think there should be a loan (not a bailout), but with oversight and possibly even a controlling interest for the government.  Of course, there is no guarantee that they will change or that the government will do any better, but I don't think them filing bankrupcy is the answer.  Too many jobs are at stake.  One interesting thing though is that everyone was in a hurry to bail out the financial institutions to the tune of 700B, and yet the big 3 are under an emormous amount of scrutiny.  Michael Moore said the other night that there seems to be a difference between how you're treated depending on whether you take a shower before you go to work or if you shower after you get home from work.  So true.
That is their fault. They have been in trouble for
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We are in bigger trouble than we know

It may just be way too late for Obama to get us out of the horrible mess we are in. We are fiddling while Rome burns - I sound like Chicken Little but indeed the sky IS falling - Frightening!


...."If we can use the Baltic Dry Index (BDI) as a guide for the next 12 months of product delivery and food availability in the stores we shop in then the BDI says shelves will be virtually empty of almost every product we use each and every day. Is the BDI is wrong it will be an historic first. The BDI is used by bankers, financial experts, brokers, traders and everyone in high end finance to assess the global financial condition and the availability of products worldwide. The BDI has dropped 94% in a short few weeks which means raw materials, grains, ores, steel, iron, cement and all imported products for food manufacturing and product manufacturing even though we actually do very little of that here in the US."


No....Clinton got in trouble
for lying about his blowjob.  It is called lying under oath and it is punishable by law. 
Should have saved yourself the trouble.
Your message was so juvenile and old hat, I don't know why you even posted.

Thank you for once again proving how ignorant your leftist lunatics really are.
More trouble in Iran

Iran's increasingly isolated opposition leader effectively ended his role in street protests, saying he'll seek permits for future rallies. A leading cleric demanded in a nationally broadcast sermon Friday that leaders of the unrest be punished harshly and that some are "worthy of execution."


Bettery try that again or I'll get in trouble with
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2006/09/saturday-cartoons.html
Conservative starting trouble
It is obvious this is a conservative trying to start trouble on the liberal board.  Who cares what you think about Senator Clinton?  Cast your vote and lets see how the country thinks..A level headed calm thinking democrat or a rash testosterone so out of touch with reality dangerous republican.  Oprah had a show on universal health insurance a few weeks ago and a professor was on and stated that when the conservatives want to scare the people or distract from programs to benefit the people, they say it is socialism.  Well, what I want to know is, what do you call the health insurance program the Congress has?  That most definitely is government health insurance, so I guess socialism?.  Well, if it is good enough for the Congress, it is good enough for the people. What do you call the govt programs that build bridges, roads, dams, run schools, etc., etc., etc..?  Socialism?  The govt must help the people of this country.  We pay our taxes and we have a right to govt programs to better the lives of the people of America.  I am so sick of conservatives and thankfully most of America is too.
I feel the same way about Obama. The trouble is...
we will all be holding the bag, just like we are for the bad mortgages...with all the other problems I have with him, the idea that he and the Democrats could have avoided this for us had they listened to McCain in 2005-2006 trumps them all. And it is amazing to me how all of you just excuse that...like it never even happened.
You seem to be having a little trouble staying on task.
Let's try this again. The subjct is guilt by association. The post you are answering listed Mc'Cain's associates as follows:

Just off the top of my head:
1. US Council for World Freedo. Can you say Iran contra? How about dong business with terrorists (the arms seller AND the arms customer)?
2. Phil Gramm, (co-chair of the McCain campaign), champion of Enron tax loopholes and author of Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that effectively neutralized any existing regulation of financial services industry. You remember good ole Phil. He's the one talking on McCain's behalf when he said we were having a "mental recession" and we have a nation of a bunch of whiners.
3. Gordon Liddy. That's the guy who got a 20-year sentence for his conviction of conspiracy, burglary and illegal wiretapping in the Watergate fiasco. m
4. Let's don't forget the Keating 5.
5. Richard Quinn, publisher of Southern Heritage ragazine for neo-confederates…unapologetic bigotry and proud of it!
6. Rick Davis, McCain CEO, lobbyist, paid $15,000 each month for "consulting" from end of 2005 until September 2008.

Let me spell out the issue at hand. If we are to infer that Obama embodies the phuilisophies of each and every single person or organization that he has ever encountered dring the corse of his lifetime, then we can infer the same about McCain. Are you with me so far? an appropriate, direct and credible response would not include the word democrat in it. It would deal with the issue at hand and with the list of pub snakes McCain pals around with.
McCain was having trouble speaking
McCain has had it. He lost it big time the minute he picked Palin. Oh sure the rallies got louder and the base was excited but people out there with common sense know what a mistake she is. She has a future in infomercials.
Gourdainter. I am having trouble linking to

Though this is the one rare subject on which you and I disagree (for reasons I totally get), still I am always interested in your insight.  I am wondering if you wouldn't mind posting it again.


geez. I am NOT trying to start trouble...
I am seriously, honestly asking what this means.  I didnt hear any audio and I dont live in Harlem and I am just curious what this means, if I am to take this how I THINK it sounds.  I do realize that I could be taking it wrong and so I am trying to reserve judgment until I know what it means. 
You posted this before. Trying to stir up trouble again? (nm)

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Yeah, I'm having trouble dealing

with the no-First-Dog thing too.  Maybe that was an attempt to humanize himself, since many people are said to like dogs and dog owners?  Then after the election he no longer needed to appear warm and fuzzy? 


I don't know, if you figure it out, let me know.  Just so terribly disappointed, I was really counting on that pooch. 


They're not happy unless they are starting trouble.

They don't want to debate.  All they want to do is attack and chase away people who don't agree with them.  They don't want liberals on their board, but they refuse to practice what they preach. 


This is the reason the administrator created a conservative and liberal board.  They have their own board, but that's not enough for them.  It's typical of how they must control everyone's thoughts and deeds and even which God they worship.


A definite intrusion by a CON who only comes here to start trouble

You ought to read the venom you spew




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Posted By: ll on 2006-03-10,
In Reply to: It's better off dead than dead AND rude and OBNOXIOUS. - PK

you all are supposed to be loving and tolerant people however, you never are loving and tolerant on this board. People try to discuss things with you, and you all go postal and start shooting them. You all are a sad, sad bunch of people. I feel real sorry for the people you come in contact with in real life. Of course you are probably nicer in real life...at least I hope so. You just bomb people here to get some kind of sick little pleasure.

Mean people like you all are the reason these boards have to be separate. Mean people suck.


So, I have trouble understanding abstract ideas AND

I have no sense of humor.  Anybody else? 


Why do pubs have so much trouble staying on task?
I like facts. Troopergate has lots of them. Try reading it. Then try answering the questions. Challenge yourself. Get though one single entire post, begining to end, without trashing Obama. Can you handle that? Probably not, but give it your best shot. By the way, there is only one person here who you need to educate....and it ain't me, babe.
Obama is just trouble....plain and simple.

There are so many things that I don't agree with him on.  You can't raise taxes for small businesses in this time of crisis.  You can't have all of these government assisted programs and only tax the rich because that won't be enough to cover all the expenses.  He will have to tax us all including the middle  class which he professes to want to help even though "spreading the wealth" will keep us down in the middle class because we won't be able to afford to make it into the upper tax bracket.  Basically his plans are aimed to help the lowlife scum who don't want to work.  As for his healthcare......like Oldtimer said below.....you can't make insurance companies pay for pre-existing conditions like that.  If no one wants to pay for health insurance until they have a major illness.....these insurance companies are supposed to pay for a pre-existing condition when this person is just now paying insurance premiums.  The insurance companies won't have any money to pay out if that is how it will work because no one will want to pay for insurance until something major happens.  It just won't work that way because it can't.


Obama is a socialists through and through.  I'm tired of the media and his supporters ignoring his associations.  I'm tired of people throwing up the race card.  It is just absolutely ridiculous.  Just because I'm a white woman not voting for Obama....that doesn't make me racist.  Yet you never hear about the people voting for Obama just because he is black.....is that not also racist? 


This whole election is just screwed up.  I hope to God that this next debate has something in it worth watching and I hope McCain tears Obama a new butthole! 


I had trouble believing Obama's lies
He kept going around in circles it made no sense. He kept trying to cover up one lie with another. But what would you expect from a lawyer.
Trouble brewing baby...happening already...
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Sotp trying to start trouble..there was an audio out of
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Very sincere here, I know the country is in deep trouble with the ......sm
constantly-growing unemployment lines, the banking crisis, stock market debacle, fall-out of our gross national product, growing mortgage crises, etc., but as much as I support our President and feels that he has the initiative, the drive, the intelligence, altruism, the humanitarianism, etc., to get this country turned around (and boy do we need a total 180 degree here), I really feel it is being pushed way too aggressively and hastily,.....haste makes more waste, and boy we do not need more of THAT.  I see many good ideas in the O plan,  and we certainly need a change in the banking laws, corporate tax structure, etc., but I have been reading as much as I can, and I have to agree with the moderate Republicans (is the sky falling yet?), there is a lot of JUNK in the Obama Solution that is really just contributing more to our national debt, and will not do anything substantial for the common folk, which is supposedly what this whole Bill is about.  There is suffering and people are desperate, but if we pass the wrong plan, we will be living with even more misery and debt that our great-grandchildren will not even be able to pay off.  Good solid social programs, yes, educational programs, yes, work programs, yes, help with our medical system, yes, but man, there are so many pet projects in their it looks like a lobbyist's dream.  Slow down a bit, think a lot more, and perhaps we can really trim that "baby" into a truly successful plan!!  Okay, off the , call me SCARED and confused, yes democrats have open minds and limits to spending!
Another post to start trouble - what a shame -

You think calling ME insecure justifies YOUR trouble making?
You come here to rain on the parade and call me and the rest of us insecure?  Gonna poke the dog with a stick and cry when the dog bites?  You're the one with the problem, and causing the problem.  If you can't see that, you're blind.
You're acting like an troll (instigator) for trouble here
I doubt anyone else will bother to respond to you today.

You're giving liberals a bad name
Obama had no trouble signing 5 executive orders
if he is so opposed to bombing Pakistan, why did he give the order to do so? US drones bombing Pakistan. He is now in charge.....Bush can't call those shots.

Like I said, as long as Dems are in control, they suddenly have no problem with bombing ANYONE......just goes to show you what they will be doing to this country........just bend over and take it like a good little girl
That's the trouble with liberals, they think the entire world is shades of gray.
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Iraq starts new year with 12 car bombings. US is in trouble, people!
God Help Us All.
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Yada..yada..yada..yada..yada..
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Big Enormous Sigh.....whatever
yes, sigh
Yeah..sigh..***heart feeling heavy, soul feeling so heavy***, knowing we cant bring our soldiers back who have died for nothing..***my whole being feeling so heavy***.
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Too bad for you that you are so closed minded..sigh..I pray for you.
Sigh.... I know...
I hope it's something my grandchildren will be able to experience.
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Wow, seems like I turned on your spigot of liberal hate.

Yes, I was trying to type doesn't (does not). For some reason, when I type an apostrophe it won't post half of the time hardly justifying the sermon you just preached to me.

You are a mean, hateful person, and I hope you find something more joyful to do than obsess about our president.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU...
Sigh....

Yes I know Rx drugs for pain are dispensed for pain and if one takes them as prescribed, one does not get a buzz. The medication acts as it was designed to act. If, however, the person begins to self medicate for whatever reasons, i.e. taking more than prescribed dosage for said pain, soon he will be feeling no pain, that is for sure. Soon he will be feeling good, so good in fact that he will continue on this course for as long as it works out for him. I will never agree that anyone and I mean ANYONE who becomes addicted to any substance did not have a choice in the matter. There comes a time when the addict has no more choices, but that comes much later in the disease process.  They will tell you they didn't, they will lie, they will deny and be in denial...that is what addicts do...This is not a case of **when bad things happen to good people.**  I disagree and I believe you are simplfying things when you try to separate the addicts based on the course of how they got there.


What in the world makes you think I am obsessed with politics. I don't come on this board for weeks at a time. I have become increasingly frightened these last 6 years  as I have watched our country change for the worse but I am not obsessed wtih politics.


My gratitude list, they are all on it...the right-wing screamers that is. You don't get it??? It works for me and that is all that matters because it is my list.


I appreciate prayers from anyone anytime so you guys go right on ahead and pray for me. I would never turn away prayer. Thanks.


I have gone to a **dark place.** YIKES, and I didn't even know it. You have a sore spot about abortion, stem cells, etc., for personal reasons. I have a sore spot about addiction and do not appreciate being told I don't know anything about it and that is for my own personal reasons. What is the difference.


And last but not least, none of what this thread has become from my standpoint anyway had anything to do with stem cells. It could have been any personality promoting any politician for any reason. My point is, was and always has been that Rush blew it big time on this. He was cruel and ugly. He did apologize and it should have stopped there, but as I understand it, he has carried on about MJF every day since (something I read, did not hear it from Rush himself as, if you will recall, I don't listen to him). I am done with this thread. I have ended up talking about things I did not intend to talk about. That happens a lot here, getting off track. So, I stand by what I said. Rush behaved badly and addicts have choices. The end. Aho.


 


 


sigh....

I appreciate the time spent on your reply but unfortunately you are not seeing the big picture here.  I am quite certain there are countries on this planet whose history does not contain genocides or atrocities, there are several that come to mind.  However, that is most certainly NOT what I was referring to.  As I said, literal micro-analysis was not the point of my posting. 


Sigh....
My friend, my faith has NEVER been in politics. If you will read my posts I have begged people to look at this situation as Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans. I have said I don't know HOW many times that right or left up or down liberal or conservative does not matter. Radical Islam hates us ALL equally. And the fact that you and other liberals just pooh-pooh that idea, after what happened on 9-11...boggles the mind. And then, of all things, try to say that whatever happens is God's will. What MT said was correct....God gave us free will and we need to realize how far reaching our actions or inactions are. If there had been more action during Clinton's 8 years against terrorism and not Ms Lewinsky's black dress and cigars, we would be a long way down the road to safety. But he chose inaction, which paved the way for 9-11. Pardon me if I do not want to see the same thing happen again...because no telling what liberal inaction will bring us to the next time. And it has absolutely nothing to do with God's will and everything to do with man's.
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Did you think that those folks would behave as adults? They are bullying children, after all. You were set up to be mocked and chastised.

Y'know, Teddy, I don't think Lurker needs you to champion her. While I do think she is an intelligent person and gives much thought to her posts and limits personal attacks, which is to her credit, I cannot say the same for you Ms. butt-in-chair use-of-defecation as an adjective....

I do have to say, though, that your posts for the most part have been an eloquent and ethical plea for a more humane world.

Once again, I BEG of you, talk to the terrorists and stop preaching to the choir!

I would think that anyone, no matter their personal ideology, would have been moved, even inspired, to ponder a different manner of viewing our world and our role in it.

When have YOU done that, Teddy? When have you ever viewed the world from a position other than yours? Stop quoting OTHER people and say something ORIGINAL.

This all reminds me of trying to argue/debate with my mother who was a borderline personality (a mental disorder). It's hopeless. You cannot have a straightforward discussion/debate/argument with someone for whom the bounds of reality are constantly shifting as their logic will never be grounded in sane reasoning.

You just described yourself, dear. Do you not read your own posts? Slam your mother on a public board...yep, that tells me a lot about the content of YOUR character.
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"The Republican Congress..." Check the yay and nay vote. The Republicans alone could not do it. There are many, MANY Democrat names on it. Otherwise it would not have passed. Even the most partisan should be able to grasp that. That is the basis of democracy...majority rules. And the Republicans could not have passed it without democratic support. Just could not have happened. So like it or not...BOTH sides responsible for the war.

As to the grossly inaccurate information...if the Senate Intelligence Committee (ahem) bought the same inaccurate evidence the President did, and reported such to the Senate...why do I not see the same degree of disdain for them? They somehow are allowed to be fooled and Bush isn't? Would these same things be being said if the President in question was a Democrat? The answer to that is no.

I did not bring up Somalia, but my husband was there and saw that debacle first hand. Don't even get me started on Clinton and Somalia. He cut and ran there and if he had not, AL Qaeda would not be nearly as strong as it is today. By the same token...if Clinton had taken the Sudan up on their offer, bin Laden would have been in an American jail, not plotting 9-11. Even he has said himself that was his biggest mistake. Gee, Bill, ya think?? But I don't hate Bill Clinton or demonize him.

There is plenty of blame to go around on BOTH sides for most things. Trouble is, most folks look at the issue through blinders...can only see one side.

As I stated on the list of books...written for money by Bush haters for other Bush haters. No interest in the truth.

Democrats launched the protests? I would love to see how that idea is supported. From what I remember, my bet is most of them were not registered and never voted. Did someone card them and I missed that?

LOL. I did not say Clinton invented regime change. All I said was he was on board for it. And Richard Clarke was on board for it when his guy was in office. Bush's BIGGEST mistake was not cleaning house after Clinton left. He kept Clarke and Tenet on. He took their advice. They both at first stood behind the "lying" intelligence. The head of the CIA no less. So please....just let the old "lie" thing die. No body lied.....well with the exception of Tenet and Clarke, because they had been on both sides of the issue, depending on who was their "boss" at the time. Or, as I guess they call in politics now....flip-flopped. Yeah, flip-flopped....like a beached whale.

And my friend...the buck for going to war stops at Congress. All the Democrats and Republicans who voted for it. And if you will check the roll vote...a good many Democrats DID vote for it. Otherwise it would not have passed. Sheesh.
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The door is always open.


 


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