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So what you're saying is that what was okay for Bush is now okay for Obama?

Posted By: Zville MT on 2009-02-09
In Reply to: Pot meets kettle. You mean like Tom Delay's 2000-2001 - land grab in Texas? sm

What about that change we can believe in and choosing morals over fear, etc, etc.? It was a bad idea in 2000 and it still stinks in 2010 - doesn't matter who's doing it.


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We're not defending Bush we're pointing out the obvious
All you see in your view is Bush, Bush, Bush. Nobody else exists. You have yet to answer any of the questions I posed yesterday. We're not the one obsessing about Bush. I'm sure you'll counter that with I don't owe you any answers! It's really telling that for five or six days this board was mute about the Israel/Lebanon situation. You were too busy posting trash news about Bush like nothing was even happening, but I know that the left has wait for its talking points. You all cannot formulate opinions on your own. You have boilerplates ready to go though. *This is Bush's fault because _____________ but you have to wait on Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, etc. etc. to fill in the blanks for you. It's not just a phenomenon here but with all the left. You can count on at least two days of silence when something unforseen breaks out in the world, because they have to retreat to their bunkers to get their talking points straight, but it will always start with *This is Bush's fault because....
Since you're over here, please tell us what you don't agree with Bush on?
I too believe Bush followers follow him lock-in step, he can do no wrong in their eyes.

I personally would like to know some of the things you don't agree with him on????

Please no pun intended.
Uh no, actually you're thinking of George Bush
"If you're not with me, you're against me." 
You're right. It IS Bush's fault. He belongs in jail,
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Bush said, 'If you're interested in avoiding World War III'
I see nothing wrong with the statement.  Go to YouTube and listen to his whole statement.  You're making it sound like he said we ARE in World War III, which is not at all what he alluded to.
Well, I'm not right-wing but you're right, Obama
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You're the one not getting it. Obama doesn't not have to do much of anything

in order to win over a "moderate muslim" because they are by definition open to Western ideas regarding politics and general ideas.  They embrace a sort of liberal Islam in sharp contrast to the extremist or fundamentalist muslims who have zero tolerance and believe in and embrace the concept of Jihad against the infidels. 


I'm not just talking about muslims who live in the U.S., but muslims around the world.  For example, President Karzai of Afghanistan has been deemed a moderate muslim because of his political ideas which is why he fears violence against him from the extremists in his country.


Get it?  Obama saying that he wants to "win over" moderate muslims is akin to a MTSO saying they want to "win over" Indian MTs to work with them.  It won't be hard and will take very little convincing.  Not to mention King Obama is the "world's president."  Like I said, he's just posturing of the media.  The liberal media loves him and his pretty speeches.  Journalists have become babbling idiots since O burst on the scene. 


I think you're right about him not liking Obama...
but what could his plan be when he keeps making himself look so dumb? Do you think maybe he's trying to make Obama look bad somehow?
You're not aware what Biden said about Obama?
There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience than Joe Biden. Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy judgment and has strongly argued in his own words that "Americans are quickly realizing that Barack Obama is not ready to be President." His words. He stood on a stage shoulder to shoulder with Obama and said this very thing at the dem debates.

And, Biden's own words.
"I think he(Obama) can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training" AND......

"If the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able to table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake..."

About Obama's foreign policy he said..
"Having Talking Points On Foreign Policy Doesn't Get You There."

On Obama's voting against funding for US Troops overseas he said,
"If you tell me I've got to take away this protection for these kids in order to win the election, some things aren't worth it. Some things are worth losing over. That would be worth losing over. Hundreds of lives are being saved and will be saved by us sending these vehicles over which we are funding with this supplemental legislation. And I want to ask any of my other colleagues, would they, in fact, vote to cut off the money for those troops to protect them? That's the right question. This isn't cutting off the war. This is cutting off support that will save the lives of thousands of American troops."

On Obama's leadership in Iraq he said.....
"I Don't Recall Hearing A Word From Barack About A Plan Or A Tactic."

Biden on whether he would meet unconditionally with leaders of rogue states as Obama said he would.....
"Absolutely Positively No." Biden: "Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president? Absolutely positively no."

Oh, AND IT GETS EVEN BETTER......There's his undying love for John McCain, "God love 'em".
Biden has called McCain a personal hero and proclaimed that he would run on a McCain ticket. He has praised McCain’s stances on climate change and troop levels in Iraq. He acknowledged that McCain’s approach to foreign policy differs from President Bush’s — everything that flies in the face of lines of attack that Obama has been pushing against McCain. Remember he said he would be "honored to run against him or with him".(meaning McCain).

I mean, this is why the entire Obama/Biden ticket is such a joke...gotta wonder what is going on. Biden does not care for Obama at all nor his beliefs.

Biden thinks more highly of McCain than Obama and has said so.

Didn't you watch the democratic debates?

You're going to be blasted..you spoke against Obama
sad but true
You're right - Obama does look like a black Dickie.
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Of course it didn't in your mind...... you're an Obama
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I was no Bush fan, but I see Obama as much
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Yeah, and they're also all 30 something or younger...all Obama drones....

Because Obama is not as friendly with Bush

serving caviar for anyone who attends that meeting.  I'm sorry but I'm tired of the rich getting richer.  I think Obama is right; let's stay on task which is the debate. 


Biden could easily step in as President, why do you think he ran intially?  Palin, hmmm, dunno, she seems so "not ready" even though she thinks her name should come first; hmmm, slip up, I doubt it.  She probably thinks in her mind she's going to be the next president, but she's sadly mistaken.  She needs to get back in the kitchen where she belongs, yup, with her family issues, they need her right now.  It sounds like Alaska really loves her too and she should stay there in Alaska and take care of her business there in between tanning sessions.


Bush/McCain/Obama
I already hid my money.  Might be if Obama is elected I can bring it out of hiding.  Keep it hid if McCain is elected...........more of G.W. Bush.
thank Obama? He isn't the President.Thank Mr. Bush. NM
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Bush is President. Obama is not (yet).
Very disrepectful to treat him like this. Like I say come 01/20/09 Obama can have at the cameras all he wants 24 hours a day 7 days a week. But to come out and act as though he is already president is very disrespectful.
Yep! That's it! Blame what Bush has done on Obama...

...again!  LOL!


How pitiful. 


No, but Bush would not work to end it, Obama will. nm
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Obama won't. Bush has earned
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Obama does not use Bush's phrases,
because he wants to bring
CHANGE.
Hatred breeds hatred, let's all try it with love.



No. I'm saying that Bush left Obama a lot
disastrous years.  Obama simply needs a list of what is most important and a truckload of Hefty bags.
And I gather that's what you're hoping to happen because you hate Obama.

Bush sr having lunch with Obama Bin Laden?
freudian slip? LOL. Before you have a canniption...joke. lol.
Here is the Obama vs McCain/Bush tax calculator sm
http://alchemytoday.com/obamataxcut/


Obama said he was going to let Bush's tax cuts expire....
there is nothing at this site that suggests this takes into consideration letting Bush's tax cuts expire. Everyone should look at what Bush's tax cuts were and what you are going to lose when Obama lets them expire. Get the whole story.
THe Bush tax cuts that Obama is going to let expire...
DID help hardworking people. Do you even know what they are? Sheesh.
Nixon = Carter; Bush = Obama
It looks as though both of these democrats were handed a huge bag of flaming s*it that they were/are expected to clean up in a nanosecond. No, I'm not a democrat, either. But I am fed up with the label "liberal" being used like an expletive. Liberal means "free thinking," and I am honored to be a liberal. I don't need to walk in lockstep so others can do my thinking for me. I want our country to prosper and survive and I'm placing my trust in Obama's hands. I pray he succeeds.
Did Obama skip Bush's speech? sm
Looks like he did.



Did Obama Skip Bush's Speech?
Posted by Michelle Levi| Comments10


As his predecessor, President Bush, said his final goodbyes to America on national television, President-elect Barack Obama and his wife Michelle dined at the DC restaurant, Equinox Thursday night.

CBS News' Maria Gavrilovic, who waited outside the restaurant, reports that there is no indication whether or not Mr. Obama was watching President Bush's farewell remarks.

The President-elect departed the Blair house, located right across the street from the White House podium from which the president spoke, minutes before President Bush commenced.

A host at the restaurant tells CBS News' that the President-elect stopped by the only television in the high end establishment, a small screen at the bar, and watched for "a minute or two." The source said he did not notice what Mr. Obama was watching but that "no" it was not for an extended period of time.

No one from Obama's transition team has responded to CBS News' inquiries as to whether he was watching the address.








http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01/15/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4726147.shtml
Did Obama skip Bush's speech? sm
Looks like he did. Very unbecoming, disrepectful side of Pres-elect Obama we're seeing.



Did Obama Skip Bush's Speech?
Posted by Michelle Levi| Comments10


As his predecessor, President Bush, said his final goodbyes to America on national television, President-elect Barack Obama and his wife Michelle dined at the DC restaurant, Equinox Thursday night.

CBS News' Maria Gavrilovic, who waited outside the restaurant, reports that there is no indication whether or not Mr. Obama was watching President Bush's farewell remarks.

The President-elect departed the Blair house, located right across the street from the White House podium from which the president spoke, minutes before President Bush commenced.

A host at the restaurant tells CBS News' that the President-elect stopped by the only television in the high end establishment, a small screen at the bar, and watched for "a minute or two." The source said he did not notice what Mr. Obama was watching but that "no" it was not for an extended period of time.

No one from Obama's transition team has responded to CBS News' inquiries as to whether he was watching the address.








http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01/15/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4726147.shtml
OBAMA has already put in motion AND END TO BUSH'S WAR CRIMES sm
Bush committed war crimes and Obama on day one of his presidency has already put in place measures to stop the crimes. Be proud because these are issues that affect human rights for all of us.
Read up, do your research, see what Amnesty International says... be PROUD now instead of ashamed to be an American! We are on the road to recovery, albeit a long road but at least Obama has us on track.
I'm sorry...........is Bush in office? Thought Obama
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Give me a break! It is okay if it was Bush, but not okay for Obama!
Guess it will never be okay to make fun of the chosen one.
People thought Bush was so bad, under Obama,
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I'm wasn't for Bush but you need to remember...Obama is
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I'm wasn't for Bush but you need to remember...Obama is
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Bush vs Obama on the current crisis
I think I cannot post the link (?) but go to Youtube and search "timeline shows Bush, McCain warn.... for a news piece aired in Canada (and certainly not in the US on the MSM).  Back in 2002 Bush and McCain both warned that Fannie and Freddie needed overhauling ,after the Clinton/dem policy that anyone who wants a mortgage should get one had us on a collision course with financial ruin. But did anyone listen?  Noooooooo!  Bawney Fwank said:  We're all just fine here.  No problem.  Nothing to look at, people.  Move along.  Chuck Schumer said:  Fannie and Freddie have been doing an outstanding job and there is no problem.  So, once again history has vindicated a republican, but we in the US are being protected from such dangerous information.  How about a REVERSE fairness doctrine?
Oh slam Obama all day, but don't bring up BUSH
He's the one that put us in the mess. Get it?
Obama has nothing to do with market... BUSH TANKED OUR COUNTRY nm
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Distract from Obama's disaster by bashing Bush
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Bush Chief Of Staff To Obama...Put On Your Jacket
On Wednesday night former Bush Chief of Staff Andrew Card told "Inside Edition" that he's not pleased with President Obama's lax Oval Office appearance. (Obama has instituted an even more relaxed weekend dress code.)

According to the Inside Edition website:

"There should be a dress code of respect," Card tells INSIDE EDITION. "I wish that he would wear a suit coat and tie."

Card is the first member of the Bush administration to bash Obama, and he's going after him for forgoing a coat and tie.

"The Oval Office symbolizes...the Constitution, the hopes and dreams, and I'm going to say democracy. And when you have a dress code in the Supreme Court and a dress code on the floor of the Senate, floor of the House, I think it's appropriate to have an expectation that there will be a dress code that respects the office of the President."

Card continued, "I don't criticize Obama for his appearance, I do expect him to send the message that people who are going to be in the Oval Office should treat the office with the respect that it has earned over history."
 


MSNBC dissected the dress code controversy on Thursday morning, and pointed to a similar fashion "faux pas" by President Clinton while in office:

Video

Unfortunately for Card, the New York Times dredged up this picture:



It seems the former Chief of Staff is as wrong as he is bitter.

Link


Dont worry about Bush. OBAMA is ruining
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Bush gave Obama's cronies a bailout?
Was it a housewarming gift?
Obama Calls on Bush To Admit Iraq Errors

Obama Calls on Bush To Admit Iraq Errors


'Limited' Troop Reduction Urged



By Peter Slevin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 23, 2005; Page A03



CHICAGO, Nov. 22 -- Sen. Barack Obama said President Bush should admit mistakes in waging the Iraq war and reduce the number of troops stationed there in the next year. But the Illinois Democrat, a longtime opponent of the war, said U.S. forces remain part of a solution in the bitterly divided country and should not be withdrawn immediately.


Without citing specific numbers, Obama called for a limited drawdown of U.S. troops that would push the fragile Iraqi government to take more responsibility while deploying enough American soldiers to prevent the country from exploding into civil war or ethnic cleansing or a haven for terrorism.







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Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) greets well-wishers at the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations after he said the administration has not given straight answers to critical questions on Iraq. (By Jeff Roberson -- Associated Press)




Obama also faulted the administration for tarring its critics as unpatriotic naysayers and said it launched the war to topple Saddam Hussein in March 2003 without giving either Congress or the American people the full story.


Straight answers to critical questions. That's what we don't have right now, the high-profile freshman senator told the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations. Members of both parties and the American people have now made clear that it is simply not enough for the president to simply say 'We know best' and 'Stay the course.'


As other Democrats are finding their voice against Iraq policy, Obama took an approach closer to one taken by Senate Foreign Relations Committee colleague Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) than to that of Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.). Murtha, a former Marine, called last week for an immediate pullout of nearly 160,000 U.S. troops.


Four prospective Democratic presidential candidates -- Biden, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.) and former North Carolina senator John Edwards -- have advocated a more gradual approach, with no sudden steps. Biden called Monday for the withdrawal of 50,000 troops by the end of next year and all but 20,000 to 40,000 out by January 2008.


Obama told the audience of about 500 people that the war has siphoned assets from homeland security and the global anti-terrorism fight. He said the administration's attempt to equate the defeat of the Iraqi insurgency with the defeat of international terrorism is overly narrow and dangerously short-sighted.


In a 35-minute speech scheduled just days ago, Obama argued that public opinion has raced ahead of politicians in seeking a clearly etched policy that helps produce stability in Iraq and the Middle East without exposing the United States to a war without end -- a war where our goals and our strategies drift aimlessly, regardless of the cost in lives or dollars spent.


Those of us in Washington have fallen behind the debate that is taking place across America on Iraq. We are failing to provide leadership on this issue, Obama said.


He maintained that Bush could take politics out of the Iraq discussion once and for all if he would simply go on television and say to the American people: 'Yes, we made mistakes. Yes, there are things I would have done differently. But now that I'm here, I'm willing to work with both Republicans and Democrats to find the most responsible way out.'


Bush considered taking Obama's approach last summer
efforts to forge peace in Israel/Palestine.

Bush floated the idea of re-establishing a diplomatic US interests section in Tehran last summer which for the time being has been shelved.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081004/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iran_no_deal

Here's the no-brainer rule-of-thumb on this topic. If you wwant war, you don't negotiate with opponents. If you want peace, you sit down aat the table.

When evaluating the credibility of this ad, as yourself that basic question..."Who stands to benefit the most" by taking this position? As they have demonstrated over the past 60 years, it is in Zionist's best interest to perpetuate war in their region. They have been able to enrich their nation immensely with US taxpayer dollars and enjoy an uncontested nuclear bully status in the region as the US's most favorite global puppet. The notion that the US would promote peace or stability in the region would diminish their status exponentially and are the last nation on earth that would like to see the US play the disarmament card.
No, it says "versus" McCain which is the bush plan so obama is wayyy better duh!
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grrr...obama and bush interruped Days of Our Lives nm
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Bush said Obama asked to see the room where his girls would sleep -
Bush said it was obvious that Obama was going to be a family man even in office.
When Obama said we can't give up our ideals for safety... they showed Bush's embarrassed face
His lame patriot act was being referred to.
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