Thanks for posting this. There is no way Bill O can convince me...sm
Posted By: Democrat on 2005-09-16
In Reply to: O'Reilly: Twisted spin, again. - Gadfly
that Bush has a better track record on domestic issues that Bill Clinton, as if!
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are you trying to convince us
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I don't know that I can convince you...sm
However, Obama by his own admission, knows very little about economics, as well.
All his socialist programs he will enact, excluding the business tax thing above, will most definitely raise the cost of living on every single thing you and I pay for. Of that I am absolutely sure of.
I am willing to bet that if Obama is president and both houses are democrat, they will have such power, that surely wil not be used for the good of the people. They believe it will be, and will strive to make great changes in the fiber and structure of America, more so than what we have just seen happen witn FM/FM, of which I am not particularly happy with GWB about, by the way.
I just know and feel in my soul that Obama will definitely change things, and heaven knows exactly what change will be, but I DO NOT want to find out what it will be.
The absolute only GOOD thing that will come out of an Obama presidency, is that it will open the doors wide, and make way for a REAL TRUE conservative leader to rise from the ashes, come 2012.
While part of me is willing to wait for that person, in my heart, I truly don't want Obama (and part of me doesn't want McCain either, I will admit...but I have no other real choice, and must make my vote count)...
Anyway, I'm off to bed. Nice chatting with you, gourdpainter.
Are you trying to convince me...
or yourself about who to vote for? I have made up my mind who gets my vote. You, on the other hand, are wishy-washy. Race card? The only one playing that card is you because you brought it up. Obama is bi-racial, so does he play a bi-racial race card?
What exactly would it take to convince
Seriously, who would have to verify it for you to believe?
Then convince me, Democrat....
Answer my question. Tell me how the Democrats would have done anything different regarding Iraq? We all had the same information then, and don't go on the talking points that they were lied to, yada yada...there were Democrats on the committee that was briefed every day, and if they were feeling all the stuff THEN that they say they were, they should have said something instead of voting FOR going into Iraq. That being said, what are Democrats going to to keep us safe now? How can I have any faith that they will? How can they protect me from a threat they deny exists? Go ahead, convince me. Convince me why you are right. I would love not to worry about it. I would love to look at sleeping children and be convinced they will never have to live in fear and will never have to be afraid to go to a crowded place? Convince me that I do not have to worry about it. I am dead-on serious. Convince me.
One thing you will NEVER convince me of.........
NOTHING in the gov't happens by "accident." Nothing at all. I am begining to think that Washington and the politicians have a secret agreement with George Soros or somebody along those lines and that they are giving our country away to the highest bidder. We just don't realize it yet.
Good luck trying to convince O lovers they;re
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When Bill Clinton was in office, OHHH you better believe Bill and Carter have had..sm
their day of mudslinging matches, at the pleasure of a many conservatives. So, no there's not a double standard here.
Bill Maher Takes On Bill O'Reilly
BILL O'REILLY, HOST: In the "Personal Story" segment tonight, political humorist Bill Maher (search), he has a new book out called "New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer." Of course, Mr. Maher is about as polite as I am and as timid as Dracula. He joins us now from Los Angeles.
You know, you've had some celebrities on your HBO show, "Real Time," which begins again on Friday, talking about policy and war on terror and stuff like that. I get the feeling they don't know very much, but you do. So I'd like to make Bill Maher, right now, the terror czar. Bill Maher, the terror czar. Could be a series.
How would you fight this War on Terror? How would you fight it?
BILL MAHER, HOST, HBO'S "REAL TIME": I think the first and most important thing is to get the politics out of the War on Terror. You know, maybe I'm a cockeyed optimist, Bill, maybe I'm naive, but I thought that 9/11 was such a jarring event that nobody would dare return to business as usual on that one subject after that.
But of course, we found out that nothing could be further from the truth. And your president, my president too, but the one you voted for...
O'REILLY: You don't know that. Were you looking over my shoulder there? I could have voted for Nader. I could have voted for Kerry, but Kerry wouldn't come on the program, so I wouldn't vote. But I could have gone for Ralph. Ralph's a friend of mine.
MAHER: Yes. Anyway, I said the guy you voted for, President Bush, you know, how come this guy, who was supposed to be such a kick-and-take- names kind of guy, how come he has not been able to get the politics out of this?
You know, as a guy who's been accused of treason, I'll tell you what real treason is: Treason is when legislators vote against homeland security measures because it goes against the wishes of their political or financial backers. Treason is the fact that, as a terrorist, you could still buy a gun in this country because the NRA (search) lobby is so strong.
O'REILLY: OK. But you're getting into the political, and I agree with you. I think that the country should be united in trying to seek out and kill terrorists, who would kill us.
But I'd like to have some concrete things that you, Bill Maher, the terror czar — and take this seriously, this could be a series — what would you do?
All right, so you've got bin Laden. You've got Al Qaeda (search). You've got a bunch of other lower-level terrorist groups. What do you do to neutralize them?
MAHER: OK. Well, first of all, you discounted my answer, which is get the politics out, but OK.
O'REILLY: Well, assume you can do that. They're gone.
MAHER: We'll let that go. Keep going. I wouldn't worry that much about bin Laden. I mean, capturing bin Laden at this point, it doesn't really matter whether he's dead or alive. He's already Tupac to the people who care about him and work for him. Capturing bin Laden, killing him would be like when Ray Kroc died, how much that affected McDonald's.
O'REILLY: It would be a morale booster. But I understand. You're not going to send...
MAHER: A morale booster, right. Well, we've had plenty of morale boosting. We've had plenty of window dressing. What we need is concrete action.
In the book I wrote before this one about terrorism, I suggested that we have a Secret Service for the people. I said whenever the president goes anywhere, he has very high-level, intelligent detectives who look around at a crowd. They know what they're looking for. They're highly paid. They're highly trained.
We don't have that in this country. We should have that. We should have a cadre of 10,000 highly trained people who would guard all public events, bus stations, train stations, airports — and stop with this nonsense that this robotic sort of window dressing...
O'REILLY: OK, so you would create a homeland security office that was basically a security firm for major targets and things like that. It's not a bad idea. Costs a lot of money. Costs a lot of money. It's not a bad idea.
MAHER: Costs a lot of money compared to what? If you paid 10,000 people a salary of $100,000 a year, that would, I think, cost $10 billion or something. That's nothing. There's that much pork in the transportation bill before you get...
O'REILLY: Yes, 10,000 wouldn't do it, but I get your drift.
MAHER: Whatever it costs.
O’REILLY: You would create a super-security apparatus. OK, that's not bad. That's not bad. How about overseas now?
MAHER: What we need to do is what I call get Israeli about this. Because the Israelis are not afraid of profiling. The Israelis are not afraid to bury politics in the greater cause of protecting their nation. We don't act that way. You know, I'm afraid 9/11 really changed nothing.
O'REILLY: Boy, your ACLU (search) pals aren't going to like that. You're going to lose your membership card there.
MAHER: I'm not a member of the ACLU.
O'REILLY: Oh, sure you are, just like I voted for Bush. You're a member of the ACLU. I can see the card right in your pocket there.
MAHER: Bill, I'm not a joiner. I'm not a joiner. I don't like organizations.
O'REILLY: They won't have you, Maher, let's be honest about that. All right, now, in your book, which is very amusing, by the way — if you want a few laughs buy Maher's book.
MAHER: Thank you.
O'REILLY: You take some shots at FOX News, which is your wont, and I just want to know why you think we're so fabulously successful here.
MAHER: Well, I think that question has been answered many times. It's because the conservative viewer in this country, or on radio the conservative listener, is very predictable. They like to hear what they like to hear. They like to hear it over and over again.
O'REILLY: All the surveys show that the viewers are all over the map. They're not conservative in a big bloc. Some of them are moderate. Some of them are Democrats. Some of them are Moroccans. I mean, they're everywhere. That's your analysis? That just the conservatives watch us?
MAHER: Well, I think mostly the conservatives do watch you. That's not to take anything away from what you guys have achieved over there. It's a very well-produced broadcast, and they have excellent personalities like yourself, Bill. Who could resist watching you when you get home from work at night?
O'REILLY: Whoopi Goldberg, maybe? I don't know.
MAHER: Yes.
O'REILLY: Anyone who doesn't watch here is misguided. We identify them as such.
But look, I think there's more to it than — you're in TV. You know the ratings game. I mean, if you don't provide a product that is satisfying people, no matter what your ideology, they tell you to take a hike.
There's a guy over at MSNBC. He's a very conservative guy. He was hired and nobody's watching him. They hire liberals. Nobody watches them. Air America (search). Nobody's listening to it.
I mean, there's got to be a reason why we're No. 1, a punch line for you, and No. 2, you know, becoming the most powerful news network in the world.
MAHER: Well, I think, as I say, it's a well-produced product. You know, your program moves along, always at a clip that never seems to bore. You know, you move along to the next topic, the next guest. It never sort of drags. I don't think a lot of people know how to produce that stuff that way.
O'REILLY: All right. It's bells and whistles and my charming personality. That's what I thought it was.
Last thing: You know, one thing I like about Maher is he's not a hypocrite. He drives a little hybrid vehicle. Right? You putter around there. Does it have training wheels? What's it like?
MAHER: Actually, I had the Prius hybrid for three years. I was one of the first ones to get it right after 9/11. And I traded it in a few months ago for the Lexus hybrid.
O'REILLY: I think we should all cut back on our energy consumption, and I think we should all get these hybrids as fast as we can.
Hey, Bill, always nice to see you. Thanks very much. Good luck with the season on the TV show.
MAHER: Continued success there, Mr. No. 1.
O'REILLY: All right. Thank you.
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Bill Clinton and his ties to India (yes, Bill),...
and China (yes, Bill) sent a lot of our jobs their way. Google it some time. Even I was amazed.
Look, it is simple economics. The big bad corporations everyone hates...first of all, it is not 5 or 6 rich guys and that's it. They employee thousands of people just like us...and when the government puts those huge taxes on them, if they want to stay in business, they are forced to move offshore. Higher taxes are responsible for more jobs going overseas than "greed." The DNC has told its members for years that "corporations" and "the rich" are the cause of all their problems and they have bought that Marxist rhetoric hook, line, and sinker. Corporations are not the cause of ill in this country. They are the backbone of the economy in this country. That is simple economics 101. And I am certainly not rich...and I certainly am not on the upper echelon of a corporation, but I do understand reality and I understand how the economy works. Yes, there is wrongdoing by some upper level folks in corporations. There is wrongdoing in the government. Where there is power, there will be wrongdoing. But for every Enron there are thousands of other good, solid companies that employ thousands of Americans, but the DNC does not share the success stories, because it does not promote their agenda. In order to control people they want them beholden to government and hating free enterprise. They want big government, total power, and control. And following Alinksy's program...you have to instill class warfare. You have to make corporations the enemy. You have to make classes envy the next rung up. Classic Marxist socialism. It is being played out in this country every day.
It is just that some of us have not bought the myth and jumped on the socialism train.
Did you read the bill? It was a regulatory reform bill...
asking them to regulate, not de-regulate. But Democrats blocked it...no wonder. Fannie was greasing a lot of Democratic palms...and Frederick Raines, the Dem CEO at the time...was in the Clinton administration. They were taking care of their own...and we are paying for it.
if abe is on the $5 bill & george is on the $1 bill, what is Obama on?
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why are you posting here?
I believe in personal responsibility. I dont believe you or the govt have a right to tell anyone what to do with their body. If my choices are wrong, I will stand in judgment when I meet my maker. I also dont follow in lock step with an administration that lies to the people about Iraq. Supporting our troops and not falling for lies about this illegal war are two different things. Yes, it is an illegal war. The world realizes this. The International Court of Justice realizes this. Of course, I support our troops and want them home. Believing in God is a personal decision and should not be shoved down others throats. I believe in separation of church and state, do not mix religion and politics. I dont believe we should have the state and/or president intervening when a spouse wants to let someone pass whose brain is half the size of a normal brain, living only due to rudimentary reflexes and I certainly do not think they should waste my tax dollars on trying to tie the hands of the spouse. These republicans/conservatives are way out of control in so many ways. It would be quite laughable if it wasnt so pitiful. I believe this is not a Christian country but a country with many religions and beliefs and I respect the people enough to let them choose what to believe. Seems to me nowadays democrats are acting like the way republicans used to, i.e., keep govt at a minimum and out of personal business, keep the budget balanced or as close to balance as possible. Republicans/conservatives are so off course right now. They are trying to invade into the states rights and personal rights. They have waged an immoral illegal war, my children and my childrens children will be paying to reduce this massive deficit, caused by republicans. Yes I oppose **liberating** other countries who dont ask us to help. Who the heck do we think we are, invading a soverign country and pushing our beliefs and religion and morals down their throats? Iraq is worse off today than it was under Saddam. Under Saddam, they had jobs, food, electricity, a life of certainty and definitely not lawlessness in the streets. We have killed tens of thousands of Iraqis with the excuse of liberating them. We have created a terrorist breeding ground and it will continue. The minute we kill off terrorists, their sons and daughters will rise up and fight back. We are just as bad as Saddam with our sickening war machine.
Thanks for posting this.
that's what it's all about.
posting
In an odd sense of.....oh...whatever, please continue to post here. No one wants you not to (gosh, it must be the green tea Im drinking this morning). *note to me, get rid of that darn republican green tea*..
Not posting here
What is it about this issue that makes you people think that anyone finds YOU to be a threat to the point where you are all suddenly retreating and saying you won't post here any more???????????
The problem is with the breach of security on this site. Unless you're the owner/moderator/administrator, this does not apply to you personally.
This issue should have been brought to the forefront on the company board a week ago when this incident happened, but I guess too many people were shocked by the blatant lack of ethics and the not so subliminal message that if anyone says anything negative about this company, your ISP will be tracked, and at that point, I, along with probable others, was afraid to post anything further.
why do they keep posting here?
For the life of me, I dont understand why these same bitter so angry conservatives come over to the liberal board and post. They are not wanted here. I guess the anger just builds up as they try to live their obviously unhappy lives and when they cant stand it any more, they come over here to start trouble. It just bugs the heck out of them that we are patriotic, love the troops and want them home alive. Some of these radical neocons actually say the troops are fighting for our freedom and freedom of speech? What? The war in Iraq has nothing to do with our freedom or freedom of speech. They will just throw anything out there to try to justify Bush's war. They sound so silly, just makes me shake my head and laugh. A bunch of fools.
Wow, thanks for posting
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Thanks for posting.
I really like Paul Krugman.
Thank you for posting this.
And thanks Lurker for writing it. Lurker brought up many, many valid issues and good points. I wonder why nobody on that other board even bothered to address those issues.
There was someone posting here sm
In fact several, and I thought one of them was you, who were listing lots of links that Bush engineered 9/11. I guess I was mistaken, but someone was posting it here.
Thank you for posting this!
My heart was really heavy...was I was not aware of this stance until this thread began. It is indeed heartening to know this. Thanks again!
Thanks for posting
I think you made my point better than I did when I was discussing this. I don't think it was always clear exactly how the program worked. From what I had read, the basics of the program were staying essentially the same - that the states had the control over who they covered. The only things, at least from what I saw, that the expansion did was allow the federal government to raise their limit (which states do not have to necessarily comply with, it just gives the states more options), collect more income for the states' programs, and allow more agencies to help decide eligibility. Everything would still essentially be in the states' hands.
Thanks for posting that
That's the sort of stuff I was looking for. The article I read was obviously skewed the other direction. In a way, I think it makes me like him more. There are so many people in this country who are completely turned off by politics. They see it as a bunch of rich white men controlling their lives. Because he is so candid about his past, I think there will be a large number of people who feel that they can relate to him better than any other candidate.
It sounds a little crazy to say, but I think his honesty will help him.
oh no Mr Bill
The communists are coming!!!!!!
Thanks for posting!
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Hey sam....thanks so much for posting....sm
I knew you could explain it much more succinctly than I could.
Can you say BILL C-L-I-N-T-O-N???? He
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Loved it!
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Thanks for posting
I'm not meaning to start a riot either but my opinion, this nation was founded on the principal that "In God we Trust." We are no longer a Christian nation. God blessed this nation for 200+ years, then we allowed Him to be kicked out and look where we are today. Again, this is MY opinion.
Thanks for posting this, Sam.
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I will try this once more....this is a bill
put forth by a VERY unpopular REPUBLICAN president. All we hear ad nauseam from the Obama campaign is McCain is another Bush, we can't afford more Bush, heck, Pelosi said the same darned thing in her little speech before the vote blew up. The Democrats do NOT want to be identified as voting in the majority, against the Republicans, WITH Bush, to pass the bill because if they did, and it does not work, they will be forever identified with voting WITH Bush. Political suicide. Surely you can see that.
What I am saying is, Obama is a far left socialist and the party has become the majority far left socialist. So they will SUPPORT his agenda, and they have the majority in congress to back it up. Surely you can see that they will vote FOR Obama's agenda. You cannot honestly sit there and tell me that you think enough Democrats would vote against him to stop something he wants? You really think that??
I second that bill!
 
Thank you for posting this!
I am a Christian and have been struggling this past month, maybe the economy, maybe just myself feeling that I've not been doing all He wants me to. There is no ridicule from me; I agree with you totally and I am so glad you posted this. I've noticed a couple of posts where there is this misconception that Christians think we are better or something.
Christians - By Maya Angelou
When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not shouting "I'm clean livin'."
I'm whispering "I was lost,
Now I'm found and forgiven."
When I say... "I am a Christian"
I don't speak of this with pride.
I'm confessing that I stumble
and need Christ to be my guide.
When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not trying to be strong.
I'm professing that I'm weak
And need His strength to carry on.
When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not bragging of success.
I'm admitting I have failed
And need God to clean my mess.
When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not claiming to be perfect,
My flaws are far too visible
But, God believes I am worth it.
When I say... "I am a Christian"
I still feel the sting of pain.
I have my share of heartaches
So I call upon His name.
When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not holier than thou,
I'm just a simple sinner
Who received God's good grace, somehow!
Thank you for posting...
Unfortunately, there are too many people who do not seem to want peace and tolerance. The next leader has to be able to rise above this, but I think your 11-year-old son is very insightful. Lets hope he is wrong, huh?
Take care...and God protect us all
thank you for posting this ---
I have already voted, so this could not change my decision one way or another, but I was interested in knowing what was said first hand and not just reading about it second hand.
After watching this video, it is clear to me that he was not saying that he was Muslim - it was not a slip of tongue - he meant to say that questioning whether or not he was Muslim had not ever came out of John McCain's mouth. He even corrected GS when he tried to correct him...
I for one do not believe that Obama is a Muslim, practicing or nonpracticing, but at the same time, this country is built on diversity, being free to practice what religion you choose - as long as the President is not pushing his faith down your throat, mandating that it is the only right religion, what should it matter anyway what his/her faith might be? Why is it even an issue?
I am a Christian, but everyday I report to a boss that is not a Christian and I have no problem with that - she does not tell us in her employ that we have to practice her faith, and she does not keep us from practicing ours. When Bush got elected, he did not say that we all have to start being Methodist, but I don't see the Baptist protesting him because he is not Baptist, and the Church of God protesting because he was not Church of God, or the church of Christ protesting becaue he was not church of Christ.
Thank you for posting this.
I will be sending this to everyone I know and posting it on my myspace page. I want to get the word out to anyone and everyone about how big of a joke Obama really is. Nothing is for free and all his supporters are mesmerized by his preaching of hope and change and getting something for nothing......they are so mistaken. Nothing is for free! This is nothing bot socialism and giving money to people who don't work for it. Makes me sick!
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I'm going to share this with my DH tonight. We have discussing this election over and over and haven't been able to come up with a clear choice. Our biggest concern is the economy. Yes, I care about national security, but I think there are enough advisors on either campaign to handle that. What affects me most is money. Up until this point, we (DH and I) have been leaning to the left because it sounds like O's plans would be more beneficial to us. However, after reading this, I'm not so sure anymore. My husband and I work very hard to support our 3 kids and afford a nice home, vehicles and extras. The last thing I want is someone taking that away from me and giving it to the welfare group. They get enough breaks as it is.
I've said this numerous times -- McCain should be raising these issues in a better light, not counting on his supporters to find it. It's sad because I fear it may be too late already. Sometimes I think MC doesn't want to win this election.
Thanks for posting this :)
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Thank you for posting
It is informative. I learned some things.
Thank you for posting this.
I have the same feelings about it and I just hope come election day, Americans will think about all of those things when voting. I had tears in my eyes yesterday worrying about it and I just can't for it to be over. I pray about it everyday.
So many are hateful with Bush and the last 8 years. He was by no means perfect but we didn't get attacked again and I am grateful for that. He imposed tax cuts which helped me greatly. I am so sick of Obama tying McCain to Bush. They are 2 different people. People are craving change so much, but at what price??? They will get change for sure. It will be the beginning of the end of democracy as we know it.
Don't forget, Kerry was ahead in the polls in 2004 and didn't win.
Thanks again for your post. Glad to know I am not alone in my feelings about this whole thing.
Yes - thank you for posting
this is a very important election and there are fears regardless of who gets in but my fear is much more when I think about Obama winning. I was thinking last night how sad it is that our country is so divided, some say I'm just paranoid, but I fear a civil war here in the US after election day.
I agree that Obama is mesmerizing. He tells us all what we want to hear. When I watched his 30-minute ad, I actually found myself thinking "wow"... that ad was brilliant on his part but scares me how many people actually bought into it.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. :)
There was a bill that they both
worked on together. John McCain's people called Obama's people. It was not the other way around.
Keep posting
Bots gotta wake up. This lady is from inside the camp herself. She saying what we all knew was going on. It's all phony and deceitful. Hope? Hope nobody will find out. Change? Change for the worst.
Listen to the people in campaigns. Obama never fooled me (well actually he did when he was running against Hillary and I voted for him), but glad I'm among the ones who have awoken.
why are u posting?
No one on here has infringed on your right to disbelieve. We are not calling you out on your disbelief. We are stating what we know to be the truth in our lives. That is a statement, not an infringement. So far as I know, no one has yet taken away our Christian rights to go tell it on the mountain. If I want to yell it from the roof tops that Jesus is real and he saves, if I want to write it all over this internet, if I want to scream it out on the streets all over the US, I have that right. It is my freedom to say what I believe, what I think on here. If you dont like the posts then it is your right not to read them. Dont come on here and insinuate that someone is infringing on your rights. I am sick and tired of everytime someone posts something about Jesus, someone else gets on here and starts whinning about how their rights were stepped on. So society tries to make us shut up, but in turn you are stepping all over our rights.
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I never even thought about this. That's a really good idea to be prepared, and I'm actually going to start stocking up on stuff like this. I'll have to read about the depression more to learn how they got through it and follow suit.
Thanks again!
Thanks for posting this.........sm
I had been looking for that quote but could not find it as I could not remember who said it.
Thanks for posting this
The question of McCain's qualification to run for president was no more of an issue to me than that of Obama. Why presumably intelligent people on this board would keep it going is far beyond my comprehension.
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