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The Stark Difference

Posted By: EyesWideOpen on 2008-08-31
In Reply to: Former DNC Chairman on Gustav - EyesWideOpen

One group hurls insults and fiction.  The other hurls their own words right back at 'em.


So who aced debate classes here?  And just to cover all bases here, RINOs get no respect, either.  I've wanted Susan Collins and Olympia Snow (among others) purged from their so-called Republican seats.  They're literally embarrassments.  Meanwhile, Barney Frank (and others) are lauded.




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The stark difference between...(sm)

pubs and dems when it comes to infidelity is that dems, for the most part, don't throw that term "family values" around like pubs do.  Realistically, that is why its always worse for pubs when it comes to this. 


BTW, did you know that Sen. Ensign is being investigated for the pub party funds that he used to pay his mistress and her son, as well as the firing of his mistress and her husband?


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/23/MNVB18BO98.DTL


What's even better than that is Sen Corker's (TN) statement regarding Ensign.  He said:  "I think he's been very stand up about it." 


What part was so stand-up about it?  The affair itself?  What it did to his family?  How he paid off and then fired his mistress and her family? 


Check this one out:  "He apologized and we welcomed him back," Sen. Robert Bennett (R-Utah).


Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.): "I think he's prepared to move on, and I wish him well."


They sure do have a different tone when it's one of their own.


Stark Comparison




;Experience Tale of the Tape: Palin vs Obama























































































































































































































































































Sarah
Palin
Barack
Obama
Office being
sought
Vice
President
President of
the United States and Leader of the Free World
Full
name
Sarah Louise
Heath Palin
Barack Hussein
Obama II
Nickname Sarah
Barracuda
Barry Obama;
"The One"
Public
opinion
Smoking hot in a "naughty librarian" sort of
way
May be The
Messiah
Age 44 48
Children 5: two sons,
three daughters
2: two
daughters
Religion/Church attendance Evangelical
Christian;


attends Juneau Christian Center when in
Juneau and grew up attending Wasilla Assembly of God


Attended
Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, a "black liberation theology"
church formerly led by Rev. Jeremiah Wright and governed according to
Black Value System

Current
Job
Governor of
Alaska
Junior Senator
from Illinois
Previous
Public Jobs
Mayor of
Wasilla, AK (1996-2006); President of Alaska Conference of Mayors;


City Council member
(1992-1996)

State Senator
(1997-2004);


Community Organizer




Executive
Experience
Governor for 2
years;


Mayor for 10 years

None
Foreign
Relations experience
Governor of
state that borders two foreign countries (Canada and Russia)
Chaired Senate
subcommittee on Europe but never called it into session;


once gave a speech to 200,000 screaming
Germans

Military
Affairs experience
Commander in
Chief of Alaska National Guard;


Son is enlisted Infantryman in U.S.
Army

None
Private
Sector Experience
Sports
reporter;


Salmon fisherman

Associate at
civil rights law firm
Speaking
ability
Beautifully
executed initial stump speech in Dayton, OH hockey arena without a teleprompter

An
enter...wait--did you say
without a
teleprompter
??
Spouse's
name
Todd Mitchell
Palin
Michelle
LaVaughn Robinson Obama
Spouse's
occupation
Salmon
fisherman;


Former North Slope production supervisor
for BP Oil

Vice President
for Community and External Affairs at University of Chicago Hospitals;


former Associate Dean of Student Services
at the University of Chicago;


former Executive Director for the Chicago
office of Public Allies;


former Assistant to the Mayor of
Chicago;


former associate at Sidley Austin law
firm



















Reaction to
spouse's political success
Quit 17-year BP
oil job when BP became involved in natural gas pipeline negotiations with wife's
administration
Promoted and
given 160% pay raise by UofC hospitals within months of husband's election to
U.S. Senate;



Employer rece ived $1,000,000.00 federal
earmark, requested by husband, after her promotion

Coolest
thing about Spouse
Tesoro Iron Dog
Snowmobile race champion (longest snowmobile race in the world);


In 2008, while defending his championship,
was injured when he was thrown 70 feet from his machine. He was sent to the
hospital but still finished in fourth place

Sister of
Oregon State University head basketball coach Craig Robinson
Most
Courageous Moment in Public Service
Resigned in
protest from position of Ethics Commissioner of Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation
Commission in order to expose legal violations and conflicts of interest of
Alaska Republican leaders, including the former state Attorney General and the
State GOP Chairman (who was also an Oil & Gas Commissioner), who was doing
work for the party on public time and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive
e-mail.
Gave an
anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators in Hyde Park in
2002
In Current
Office Because...
Upset sitting
Governor in GOP primary due to public support for her efforts to clean up
corrupt government establishment


Republican opponent, who was leading in the polls, was forced to leave race
after unsealing of divorce records exposed a sex scandal
Theme: Change and
Clean Government
Hope and
Change;


"Bringing Change from Outside
Washington"

What they've
done to live that theme:
Replaced entire
Board of Agriculture and Conservation because of conflict of interest;


Resigned from position of Ethics
Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in order to
expose corruption among members of own party

Selected
36-year incumbent Senator as running mate
Family
Affairs
May have
removed State Public Safety Commissioner as part of effort to protect sister in
messy divorce and child custody battle
Often says, "I
am my brother's keeper";


Brother lives in a hut in Nairobi on $12
per year

Union
affiliation
Union member,
married to Union member

Endorsed by a
union
Iraq and
Troop Support
Formerly
(pre-surge) critical of apparent lack of long-term strategy for Iraq;


Visited wounded U.S. soldiers in
Germany;


visited AK National Guard soldiers
deployed to Kuwait;


Son deploying to Iraq on 9/11/08 as Army
infantryman













Gave an
anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators;


almost visited wounded troops in Germany,
but decided to go shopping in Berlin instead

Bipartisan/"maverick" credentials Married to a
non-Republican;


Exposed corruption within own
party;


Campaigned for Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell
against corrupt GOP congressman Don Young;


Called out Sen Ted Stevens (R-AK) to "come
clean" about financial dealings that are under fed investigation













Talks about
bipartisanship
Legislative
Record
Passed a
landmark ethics reform bill;



Used veto to cut budgetary
spending;


Prevented "bridge to nowhere" that would
have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.







Voted "present"
over 100 times as IL state senator
How they
dealt with corrupt individuals in home city/state
Exposed legal
violations and conflicts of interest of Alaska Republican leaders;


Campaigned against corrupt GOP
Representative;


Ran against and defeated corrupt incumbent
governor in GOP primary







Launched
political career in home of unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers (and still
refers to him as a part of "mainstream Democratic Chicago";


Purchased home with help of convicted
felon Tony Rezko

Guns Lifetime member
of NRA and avid hunter;


video can be found on YouTube of Palin
firing an M4 at a military firing range

Worked to pass
legislation in Illinois that would prevent all law-abiding citizens from owning
firearms
Earmarks

Opposed "Bridge to Nowhere" project;


Said Alaska should avoid relying on
federal money for projects;


Campaigned against porker Don Young (R-AK)
in 2008 primary







Secured federal
earmarks for wife's employer and for
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Abortion Pro
life;


gave birth to 5th child knowing that it
would have Down's syndrome

Pro-choice;

only IL state sen. to speak against the
Born Alive Infant's Protection Act, which required medical care to be given to
live infants who survived abortions

Energy Believes energy
independence is a matter of national security;


For drilling in ANWR, which is in her
state

Says Americans
should "get tune-ups" and "check tire pressure";


Says "we can't expect the world to be okay
with" our use of heating and air conditioning



Environment
Chair of Alaska
Conservation Commission (2003-4);


Announced plans to create sub-cabinet
group of advisors to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions
in AK

Talks about the
environment a lot
Athletic
prowess
Runs
marathons
 

The stark contrast came...

...in immediate and direct response to Obama's choices.  If you want to blame the media, then okay:  It was the media who informed me of Obama's choices.  The "media," I suppose, also brings me CNBC (which I watch a lot) and CSPAN (where I was able to watch part of the auto company bailout hearings yesterday).


Perhaps I misunderstood him when he was campaigning, but I thought one of his most passionate gripes was with the same old faces in Washington and the same old policies and how that needed to change.


My concerns include both personal and country; our country is comprised of all of us "personals," so I believe they are one and the same.  Our economy is headed down the tubes, and there's not much debate about that.


It's impossible for me to trust anything that is Bush or anything that is Clinton.  That's from present and past experience, having survived both administrations and seeing how dishonest each of them was in their own right.


If the election were held today, I would still vote for Obama.  I hope my suspicions are wrong, and they very well may be.  I've seen him run a brilliant campaign, and I know he's a brilliant man.  I acknowledge and honor everything both he and Michelle have achieved in their lives.  I wouldn't have supported him and voted for him if that weren't the case.


Perhaps I'm just preparing for the worst so I can enjoy the "best" all that much more if and when it comes.  However, at this point in time, the more Clintonites he appoints, the further he drifts away from the Barack Obama that used to condemn the "same old, same old," and the larger that little red flag in my brain will grow.


In the meantime, though, I still support him as my President in ways that I will never be able to support a Bush or a Clinton:  I still see him as an honest and trustworthy man -- until he shows me through his ultimate policies that he isn't.


The only difference between

Rudolph and Osama bin Laden is that one is Christian and one is Muslim.  Other than that, there is no limit to their hatred.


To say that clinic workers at an abortion clinic are just as guilty as Rudolph is, at its best, INSANE.  Those clinic workers broke no laws.  Rudolph not only broke the law, he violated the "Thall shalt not kill" commandment that you all claim to believe in.


But, as with Bush in Iraq, it's okay if people kill, as long as they're the people you worship.  I truly don't understand people like you, and I don't wish to.  Frankly, you all frighten me, and I won't be reading your posts any more because I find them too disturbing.


Difference
I think it is a little bit different when it is coming from the president of the USA than someone driving on a freeway.  At least, that is my opinion.  Maybe you dont have high expectations for the leaders, I do.
big difference
The attorney is helping the person wronged by the corporation.  The corporation is paying lobbyists to change laws so the little hurt guy cant get any satisfaction in court for being hurt.  That is the difference.  Big difference, if you ask me.  Do you think Kenneth Lay lost sleep over all of his employess who lost jobs because of his criminal activity?  He says he did but I doubt it. 
I see the difference
The government is corrupt. The people are good. I'm so glad that you are posting here. I'm sure the people of Iran only want peace and freedom and to be out from under the rule of mean, evil people. Some people in the United States cannot comprehend what being under a tyrannical leader is all about. They have not experienced it like many countries in the Middle East have. We have a good leader, but many have been led to believe that he is not good. They don't understand that people around the world are being brutally killed and terorized by their own leaders who are supposed to have their best interests in mind. They are the truly oppressed and I pray for them daily. I pray that a peaceful solution will happen in Iran, and that the president will come to understand that he cannot win a war with the rest of the free world who will not let him have nuclear weapons because he has proven to be a man most untrustworthy and threatening to many countries including Israel and the U.S.
I believe the difference...

 is between free speech and slander/libel. Everyone has a right to an opinion and to voicing that opinion as long as one does not libel and/or slander a particular individual(s). Since the widows were named and The ***WTC victims*** were not, one is free speech, albeit lunatic fringe free speech,  and one is not. 


To weigh in on the subject of Coulter; she makes her living saying and writing outrageous stuff. She is a shock jock. If she started writing books like William Safire does, no one would read them and she would not be on every talk show on the airwaves. It is her job to be repugnant and she does it quite well.  I don't listen to her, don't read her books. I don't listen to Howard Stern either; nor Rush, nor Grover, nor anyone who makes my blood boil. It is an exercise in futility to try to change anyone's mind on the stuff these people say. You love them or hate them and so I just avoid them.


Same difference

Within 24 hours of taping?  I reiterate the point I made above. And when you buy things from a private company unless they state it outright they might turn around sell your information to other advertisers.  Unless you can produce where you signed a waiver of privacy, like you do at a doctor's office, you are not guaranteed that your information will be kept private.


I guess any good consumer could elect not to have phone service.  That's one way to keep your conversations private.  It's a bummer when it comes to communcation, but unless your plotting something illegal you really shouldn't have a problem should you?


Here's the difference between you and I.
I don't expect an apology.  I do wonder though, why you rail so against Ann and had not a word to say about Ward Churchill.  I would have liked some liberal input on that post and got none.  I think what he said was a lot worse. 
What's the difference?

It's okay for President Bush to get political but it's not okay for his employers (the American citizens) to do the same thing?  That would be the norm in a fascist government ruled by a dictator like Iran.  Is that where we're heading in America today?


Grandma's comment regarding the number of American troops killed in Iraq approaching the number of civilians killed on 9/11 was a very relevant comment, considering Bush himself exploited 9/11 in order to justify invading and occupying Iraq when it turns out Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with it. 


there IS a difference
i just stated in my above reply that yes I should have clearly stated I meant the people that use it as a form of birth control, who does THAT? not for medical reasons. I see there is a reason for it sometimes, of course.
the difference is
UAW workers were offered the same as workers in the U.S. who work for Honda, Toyota, etc. (not what they are paid working in foreign countries)
Yes, but there's a big difference between - sm
working in the government while concurrently believing in and practicing one's religion for their OWN USE.

What I have a huge problem with is when people use it to try to CONTROL OTHER PEOPLE.

Unfortunately, too many overzealous religious groups worldwide are doing just that.
key difference
Obama has proven himself over and over as thoughtful, knowledgible, and decent.  SP has shown she has been heavily coached and has no real understanding or knowledge about foreign affairs. She has to have a teleprompter or a speech written for her. You in fact stated she kept the money from the Bridge to Alaska, confirming she has been repeating a lie about rejecting it on the campaign trail everyday..As far as Obama on O'Reilly. Of course I did not watch.  The last thing I watched about Bill O'Reilly was where he threw the temper tantrum and ripped off the mike and threw on the counter and shouted obscenities at the staff because he did not understand the cue card.
I do believe him. What is the difference in....
believing him and believing what Obama says? Obama had lobbyists working for him; until just a month ago Joe biden's son was a professional lobbyist. Indeed, let's try to be objective here.
What's the difference?
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difference
One of the big differences between Palin and Clinton was their educations and years of experiences. How many years and how many colleges did it take Palin to get a journalism degree? Shows me that she really isn't that bright.
The difference is......
If it's not being put on this country's balance sheet as a HUGE debt, which is proper protocol for any business, that means they are saying it doesn't exist, it will just go away, and it will not be counted as liability. Who in the heck does that? You take your books to your local CPA and tell him you want him to do that and watch the look he gives you....... the look will be "fraud", and his response will be, "Uh, no, that is illegal", I don't do that".

If they want to pretend it is not our country's debt, then ask yourself who is overlooking the debt and what are they really doing with it......or better question, ask what they are really doing with your money? Without it being on the top line of the balance sheet, there is nothing that regulates they have to pay anything off. Get it?
There is a difference between the two

The consertatives you list are political commentators.  They can have their own shows and columns, etc.  Many liberals do.


Huffington Post puts itself out there as a newspaper, a NEWS source if you will.  Problem is, they are all biased to the left so it's not being fair.  Should not be called a newspaper if they can't be fair on both sides.

JMHO.


The difference is you believe her, I don't. S/M
And please, Sam, spare me the "sheeshes" and "good griefs."  I don't belittle YOU because YOU don't agree with me.  I never said anything about throwing her under the bus.  She is looking out for herself and I feel sure her eyeballs are on the nomination for the 2012 election.  If they are elected and I am wrong about them, you'll see me here fessing up.
What's the difference?
Investigating voter fraud and/or fraudulent candidate is one way to fix the economy. Do you really want someone in charge of your money that has paid a corrupt organization to pay people to go out and enlist voters, the same voter over and over, which by the way is illegal, as well as doctor documents and fraudulently sign people up that do not exist, including those already deceased, just to get the job? Anyone who would want that deserves whatever economy they get I suppose.

Obama's taxing us more to pay for all his social programs sure as heck isn't a way to fix the economy or have you overlooked that very significant point?
I think even you know the difference between the
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For those of you who don't know the difference...

between American news and real world news, here's a suggestion:


http://www.linktv.org/


Before you start in by saying, well that's just more liberal media, look who contributing authors are and where they are from.  This is just one example of real world news.  Step outside of the box for a while.


Big difference there
You are talking about a city of rapists, they raped men and women. This is not a story about a gay couple living as a married couple.
There's a difference...(sm)

Electing a president -- constitutional


Taking away civil rights -- unconstitutional.


If the majority were to rule in all instances, you would not have had the right to vote. 


Big difference in an HMO and the

provision in this bill.  Don't like the HMO, you can go somewhere else.  With total government control, where will you go?  No where, just kow tow.  I don't know anyone who could think it is right to withhold medical care from the infirm, the elderly, and children with devastatinly incurable diseases, anyone not deemed by government as being a productive citizen worthy of having medical care, those who will be a drain on the healthcare system.  I don't want to know anyone who could support withholding medical care from the most vulnerable in our country.


See, maybe that's the difference.
Mom made it without any meat in it, which I guess really shouldn't be considered chili, but that's what she called it. It was more tomato base and chili powder with beans and macaroni. Not really tasty at all and I still can't pass chili at the store or at a restaurant without cringing.
But the difference is..
He had, what? 8 years to put us in this mess?

You people are so excited about seeing PRESIDENT Obama fail, that you practically shout with glee when you think he is over his head.

He is very intelligent, unlike the past president, and will get us out of this mess.
The difference between me and you...(sm)

is that you think it's the end of the world if you have to help someone else, while I consider it a privilige to be in the position to do so.  Greed isn't going to make all our problems go away.  It didn't help anything over the last 8 years and it won't help in the future.  The sooner people figure that out, the sooner we have a chance at actually restoring this country to what it should be.


What would be the difference ?
She said she was trying to end her pregnancy..........

but if she had been trying to commit suicide, the baby would have died as well. So where are the boundaries? The mother may have lived but the baby die or still end up born and in critical condition. What's the difference? They would no doubt go after her anyway for injury to her now born child but abortion is still perfectly okay because our government has no problem with the mother ending her pregnancy with the help of a physician but they do have a problem with a mother trying to end her pregnancy herself WITHOUT the aid of a doctor.

Go figure!!
How sorry for you that you don't know the difference!!!
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One big difference.
I am not telling this person what to do like you are. I am defending this person's right to choose. What she chooses to do is her business, not your business, my business, or anyone else's business.
There's no difference in what was in there before
And what is in there now. The same people running the country before are still running the country now.

Your point on foreign policy...let's see...the annointed one still is sending troops in an unjustified war. Since you think he's so much better than Bush was and it was all Bush's fault that 911 happened, then the O should pull our troops back because now that he's president nothing like that will ever happen again. Therefore we don't need to be at war anymore. The annointed one's plan for being at war, sending more troops to war, not having a timeline to bring our troops home, etc, etc, really shows the lack of experience and knowledge he has in foreign affairs. And so much for being the savior of the world as he was told at the G20 that "not no, but he!! no are we going to send our troops to a war you insist on continuing with".

I would not dismiss the whole torture thing yet, but am sure if it continues on you'll be fine with it because it's being done under the O's watch and that's just fine with you.

Then there is trippling the deficit, continued layoffs, the "hope" campaign tactic totally forgotten now that he's in. Americans have nothing to hope for or plan for. And this goes to show how little knowledge and experience he has in domestic affairs.

The time for "I feel your pain" is over. The time for him to keep his campaign promises is here. I often wonder if the girl (who boasted on TV that she doesn't have to worry about paying her rent, gas, or bills anymore). I wonder if she's gotten her checks from the O yet. I doubt it.

Growing government twice the size or more of what we had. Not honoring his promise to do away with the patriot act, but instead he's signed it and it's worse than it ever was under the Bush administration. Forcing young adults 18-24 to be drafted (but calling it volunteer mandatory - an oxymoron), not taxing people under 250K, oops I mean 225K, oops I mean 200K, oops I mean 150K. Any hopes I had for a decent person to hold the office, decent people in congress to work for the people and not for themselves, and any hopes for a future have fast dwindled.

And you posted an MSLSD article? Pleeeeaase. They lost any credibility a long time ago. Now they are just a bunch of whiny children because they are losing so many viewers.
The difference is............ sm
that "teabagging" or "teabaggers" is considered an offensive sexual term whereas Kool-aid drinkers and Obamatrons is not. I know you know the difference based on the last paragraph of you post.


Do you not know the difference...(sm)

between speech that incites violence versus voicing one's opinion?  On Hannity's website he listed 3 types of revolutions (all of which would be violent -- as in no option for a peaceful revolution) and asked which one would you choose.  That would be the same as asking someone would you like to stab, drown or suffocate this person?  What do you honestly think the implication is with this type of rhetoric?  Get a clue.


there is a big difference
A business is there to make money; a church or religious gathering is there to worship. Congregations of people do not form the basis of a business, the intent to make a profit does.
Here's the difference...(sm)

Yeah, there are far left nut jobs just like on the right.  However, we (the left) recognize those nut jobs and don't defend them.  You guys do defend your nuts. 


The homeland security report that came out specifically pointed out threats by extremist right-wingers.  So what did you guys do?  You defended them by demanding an apology.  So, what I see is that you self identified with what was pointed out to be extremists.  Why?  I believe it's because that's where the base of the pub party is right now.


exactly right. Not much difference regarding
foreign policy, had Mousavi won, but still a better negotiator for Obama.
The difference is.....
An independent has "independent thought". An independent sees the good and bad of both sides, and makes their decisions and thought processes based on the substance of the material being discussed and uses their own reasoning to come to conclusions.

A liberal is much much different (as are the uber-conservatives). Both parties are tied to the parties (even though they say they vote based on the person - they do not). They like to hide and pronounce they are independent when they know are not. They don't think for themselves, they will always blame the other side for everything and never take responsibility in their own party. They cannot think on their own and they believe word for word what people like Olberman, Matthews, Maddow, Hannity, and other propagandists for their party spew (yes I can name some others but you get the point). Liberals and uber-conservatives do not meet anyone down the middle. It's their way or the highway and they are arrogant.

So - an idependent is a free thinker. A liberal and uber-conservative does not think on their own and they just spew what they are told is the way it should be. And they don't think and realize something is wrong with the picture because "Olberman/Matthews or Hannity said it is".

Also an independent does not resort to calling people names and does not have the elitist attitude that they are "better than thou" and they don't say to right to your face like the libs do.
The only difference is...
so far OUR government hasn't responded by beating some of us to death or shooting some of us...though the way Barry is giving more and more control to the government (him) and less and less to the people (us)....who knows where we will be by the time his term is over. Heck, by then, he may just declare himself President again and dispense with the voting...sigh.
Definitely a fundamental difference in the two.sm
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When does a difference become a distortion?
These are the facts:  MT stated she was going to Iraq.  She said it, you defended her for whatever reason.  If you cannot see that what she said was an untruth then you appear to have a distorted view of reality. 
Yes, but the difference is, no one corrected YOU.
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What is the difference between the two judgements?...sm
You have judged that he has not made any mistakes and *even if he did, they won't keep him out of Heaven.

Others judge that he has not repented and *will not make it to Heaven* (even though I have not read that here).

Really, and I am thinking this is the point you are trying to make (though I can't tell from what I'm reading), is that no one knows his outcome. Just the same one can not assume that he is right with God. What I hate to see is people use God as a front for their wrongdoings.
Horsey....what possible difference
could that make to you? Kind of makes you wonder....?

Also, both posts were in direct answer to those who would suggest that Republicans have the corner on perversion...just pointing out that Clinton still wins the prize.

You seem to have an obsession for searching me out to make rather goofy comments about my posts.

Now that REALLY makes one wonder.......
Ah but therein the difference lies

What a huge difference it is!


That between OBSESSION and normal ordinary use.  Tee-hee!!!!


It would only make a difference if
proved true it would show she deceived the people of her state and is a liar. No, I do NOT think it's true, but there are circumstances surrounding it that have made people in her state wonder, and long before national Democrats got wind of it.
There is a difference, and it is in the personalization...
of the attacks. I have seen the same thing in the media against Palin and on liberal blogs, magazines (the US Magazine covers of Palin and of Obama). There is no fairness anymore. Democrats say they believe in the Bill of Rights, one of which is freedom of religion, but if anyone says anything about being pro life you get attacked as the religious right, go back to your church, religious wacko...to name a few. Does that sound like they support freedom of religion? It is not just this board, although it appears particularly mean here. It is all over. And the double standard is staggering...just staggering.

Yes, I admit that there are those who support Bush just because he is a Republican. However, if you will notice, many Republicans oppose him on different issues. McCain opposed him on many. If a Democrat bucks the party, they excommunicate them. Poor Joe Lieberman had to run as an independent.

That kind of control over the political process and wanting to silence all opposition is not healthy, it is not democratic, and is unAmerican as far as I am concerned. And it is the far left who have control of the party right now.

So I will modify my statement...as long as the Democratic party functions as it is right now, I would never vote for a Democrat. Party before country, party before anything...including fellow americans.

THAT is why I am independent, and what happened this year has certainly changed my opinion of the democratic party. I am sure there are those who don't share the radical view...the problem is the public face of the party is what happens on these boards, blogs....there is a difference.

Let's put it this way....I was a whole lot more objective before this election cycle. This has been particularly ugly. It is okay to disagree on issues or who should be president...but when you attack someone with nasty remarks (redneck, ignorant, bible thumper, need I go on) just because someone belongs to a different party...beyond the pale.

Sorry, that's how I feel. Those kinds of feelings at the top of the party + the power of the Presidency...no thanks.
Difference in wives
Do I notice a difference between Cindy M. and Michelle O.?  Yes, Cindy is a Stepford wife, just like most Repub women.  Michelle is her own woman with a mind and brains.  She is not loud or mean, unlike someone else running with initials SP.  What a joke.
The difference is clear.
No one is saying it's all 'we people' have to worry about. But it does give us a glance in to O's morals. Win at all cost. No matter who he has to betray in the process. Doesn't that concern you at all?

And I fail to see your correlation between Obama exploiting a bracelet he was not asked specifically NOT to, and McCain choosing a woman as his running mate. If Clinton had been O's running mate, what would your argument be then?

And I beg you to do a bit more research on exactly what O is proposing to do to the middle class. Just because someone tells you something, it doesn't mean you should believe it without checking the facts, especially from a man running for president.

It reminds me of grade school class president elections. There was always that 'popular kid' who didn't know jack but got everybody to vote for him by promising longer lunch periods and movies on friday and free pop in the lunch room. The difference is, we're not twelve anymore.