Then I agree wholeheartedly with your point...
Posted By: sam on 2008-08-20
In Reply to: My point is different...sm - Than your point.
I would like to see it also. I would like to see the declassified document from the CIA where Joe Wilson (Valerie Plame's husband) supposedly corroborates Bush's speech about Saddam trying to buy yellowcake from Niger. I am sure that is something the Democrats would rather not make public knowledge. I would also like to know what they think they have as proof on Bush. Not guess, not innuendo, but hard proof that he lied. And I think if they had that, they would go forward. There are just too many questions that would be raised that Congress themselves would have a hard time answering...and I don't think they want to open Pandora's box. That is why I think it is political posturing because they viscerally hate the man (the Dems). And I have NEVER understood the degree that goes to. All that being said...I agree. They should make it all public, every last bit. I just wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.
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I wholeheartedly agree.
Well said! Agree wholeheartedly!
After the Bush years, he is a welcome change, in all ways. Americans have to grow up about race issues, and I'm a white middle-aged woman who believes Obama may be our greatest president since FDR and JFK. As you say, he brings no sense of partisanship, but he also talks of the Constitution, that it needs to be reinstated into our government. Remember the Constitution? Would be great to do away with the Patriotic Act and all of the criminal policies that King George would like to have in place permantently, like wiretapping, torture. It is my opinion that if Obama is not elected, the middle class will be in a world of hurt.
I agree wholeheartedly
That is where the rubber meets the road. THAT is integrity.
I wholeheartedly agree with you
All I can say is no matter who wins, I will still have to get up tomorrow morning and deal with doctors who dont know enough NOT to dictate with food in thier mouth. Yippee.
I agree wholeheartedly!
Mrs. M's posts are intelligent, thoughtful, tolerant, and much appreciated by many of us. The racial slurs, smears, and downright lies have all come from the rabid right.
I agree wholeheartedly
Here is what the very best police force can do for you:
1. Come to the scene of the crime and draw a nice chalk outline around your body.
2. Investigate the crime and maybe make an arrest.
3. Go to a prosecutor and see if s/he wants to try the case. If it seems a slam-dunk, they might.
4. Go to court and have every thought, deed and act of the entire investigation and arrest microscopically dissected by the defense.
5. Wait for a verdict by a jury of the perp's peers.
6. If the offender is convicted, follow the appeals process. You may or may not even be notified or asked to testify in an appeal.
7. Go draw another chalk outline around his newest victim if he wins his appeal, or when he is released after 'rehabilitation.'
IT IS BETTER TO BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN TO BE CARRIED BY 6. However, remember the guy in Illinois who was exonerated for a self-defense shooting, but convicted for illegal possession of a firearm in the state, and Obama refused to support a change in that law. This is a really catch-22 for those of us who don't want to be dead, but also don't want to be in prison. (And I'm just too pretty to go to jail!)
Agree wholeheartedly
He's a Gutless Wonder.
I wholeheartedly agree that he didn't consider
the Constitution at all when running (not walking) into Iraq. In fact, there are a multitude of things he didn't consider. It seems the ONLY thing he considered was his potential legacy as a *great leader* and he *needed* a war to be seen as a war-time *Commander in Chief.*
As far as an article being left leaning, in case you hadn't noticed, you are posting on a predominantly left-leaning board.
As more facts concerning this President's outrageous behavior begin to surface, I believe the true character of this man will be revealed to those who are willing to see the truth.
Have a great evening. 
I agree wholeheartedly with you oldtimer -
My child struggles every week to pay her bills, her childcare, buy groceries for the kids - all on her own because at $10 an hour she makes too much to get any kind of help, but at the same time the doctors she works for are all driving nice new Hummers, Range Rovers, building million dollar buildings. And of course, they will be the first ones to complain about having to pay higher taxes.
I don't think that because she is their employee that she is working any less than them. Of course, they deserve to be paid good, but I think the "little people" who make it possible for you to run your business should get something along the line.
I hear ya and agree wholeheartedly
with booting them out.
We need new blood in there that are not tainted by money and lobbyists. We need representatives that ask 1 question when a bill comes up for vote: "What do my constituents think of this?"
We need the government to be "by the people, for the people". Not "by the government, for Wall Street."
Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly...m,
I agree to a certain point.....
I found it loathsome that he abandoned his wife and children. I have also seen tears in his eyes when he recounts this and admits he abandoned the entire situation.
The problem is, when I watch Obama, he is never apologetic for his associations and NEVER fesses up to them. He just denies them as if they don't exist, when everyone knows they do. And even scarier to me, who will fill ALL THOSE thousand of positions he will appoint if he gets in the white house. I'll betcha 100 to 1 it will be Muslims, people you've never heard of before, questionable associations, questionable how they can even be in the white house cabinet because there will be BIG questions if they are even a real US citizen. You just hide and watch. It won't be pretty. That man feels no guilt for anything; why do you think he hung out with Ayers, Dohrn, Rezko, uses Pakistani roommates from college to do his fundraising from unknown sources overseas, came up with so much money to spend so much time in Muslim countries during his college years when he proclaims to have been broke. Too many questions that everyone refuses to demand an answer to.
At least McCain owns up to his past, unlike Obama. To hear him tell it, he's perfect in every way.
I agree with you to a point
however, there are laws against murder and to me...abortion is murder. I cannot stand by someone who would allow something like that to be considered okay by society. Yes, people have free will and they will have to live with that decision. However, if society is more willing to accept things like that it just seems like morals drop in society. What was once considered bad is no big deal. I feel that is the path that are country has started in and I don't like it.
I still don't understand why abortion isn't murder but a person who does something to a pregnant mother that causes her unborn child to die is considered murder and is punishable. A pregnant mother is killed and so is her unborn child and that is double homocide. The only difference is one fetus wasn't wanted by its parents and the other was. Other than that.....it is still murder in my eyes.
Here is my standing on this. I do not have a problem with the morning after pill. I think that is a great emergency contraceptive if a condom should fail or a rape should happen and no protection was used, etc. Do I want abortion to be totally illegal.....yes but the problem with that is you will still have illegal ones going on ending up in seriously hurt people because they may not be done properly, etc. If abortion is going to lbe egal, I think there should be guidelines. You only have such and such time to abort before it is considered murder. If you abort after that time frame, you can face charges of murder as well as any doctor who willingly performs the abortion knowing it is too late time frame wise.
I have no problem if the mother's life is in danger. That is it....in danger. I think that if an abortion fails, that infant has a right to live and should be protected. No late term abortions because that is murder. To have Obama want to legalize abortion with no guidelines....just go and abort because no one wants a baby as a punishment.....that is SO wrong and to allow that in our society is ridiculous.
In my opinion it will just cause more people to be even less cautious about their sexual practices and use abortion more as birth control and that isn't right. If more people are less worried about having a baby because abortions are so easy to get, etc.....I think it will cause a rise in STDs as well. JMO.
I agree with you to a point but
why did it have to come to a vote to begin with? Who decided it would come up for a vote? If it was the gay community to begin with, then they should honor the outcome, don't you think?
I saw Frasier's (can't think of his name right now) "brother" on The View yesterday and he's happy that his marriage will stay intact. I'm sure many others are also happy about it, too.
As for those that didn't jump on the bandwagon right away, well, what can I say? They missed the boat.
I agree with the point that the children's
private lives should be left out of it, but as to being on stage, that is just showing family support for their parents. Two entirely different things.
I agree, gourdpainter, to a point....
but one thing I DO know...Obama and a majority democrat congress mean socialism. There are no two ways about it. And I DON'T want socialism for America. So I would not vote for Obama, and if I vote for a third party and NOT McCain, that is a vote for Obama. I will NOT be a party to putting that man in the White House. No way, no how.
I am a registered Independent. I have not been a party faithful for several years. But I am concerned enough about Obama and his agenda that I am voting a straight Republican ticket for the FIRST time in my life. THAT is how much I DO NOT want him and his agenda for this country.
I agree with McCain on some things "he says." If he does them, fine. If he doesn't, we still don't get socialism. If McCain just gets elected and the status quo remains, we don't get socialism.
I don't want socialism. I don't know how much more clear I need to be about it.
Good point, I agree with that...nm
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I totally agree to a certain point
I believe we need stricter guides on the food that is being sold in our stores, however, I do not agree that our rights as citizens should be taken away to be able to grow our own vegetables in our own garden on our property. I think the people who go to farmers market and buy organic prefer that, and they should not have that right taken away from him. My understanding is that the company she is referring to as genetically altering the seeds so that the fruit it bears has no seeds, thus you have to continually buy more from them, and I understand this company is also trying to shut down all other seed companies. I may be wrong and I would have to do a bit more research.
But I agree our supermarkets need scrutiny on what food it sells in the store (where it's coming from), but I don't like anyone taking away my right to be able to grow my own tomatoes or squash or other veggies I want to in my own yard.
I agree and think at this point diplomacy is futile..nm
good point.....this one bans if you don't agree with them....or maybe this has stopped since the
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Again my point is made - you just like arguing and bashing people that don't agree with you
Your bringing up a dead subject while shouting it at us. You started an abortion post on 8/25 and bashed everyone who didn't agree with you, and you were bashing people on 8/22 about the same subject. Everytime someone brought up their viewpoint you be arguing or bashing them. The point I (and others) are making is you keep bringing this up again and again and again and again and when people don't agree with you you bash them, then when they come back to say something you bash them even more. Then when we finally get a break and have new topics, you start another post about the abortion thing again. The abortion issue is getting tiring for all. We know what abortions are, how horrible they are, and we know how babies are made and the stages of their lives (we are MT's and all took the course) but you feel the need to keep it up and up and up and it's getting real old. Besides that it looks like you are posting under other names and then answering yourself.
I want to read people's opinions and questions of issues we are facing. Abortion is not one of them for most of us. Let it go and move on. What I am trying to say is that while I'd like to hear your viewpoints on other issues enough with the abortion and try and not be so argumentative all the time.
Yes, we all have the right to post things, but it looks like you are posting just for the sake of arguing and we're all getting tired of it.
So go ahead bash me some more.
I think BB has a point here in that the main point on the board is political discussion, and let'
face it, there is SO MUCH going on right now, changes, problems, disasters, and so much debate on what should/could be done, but so many tims the political discussion disintegrates in a finger-pointing, name-calling exercise, spouting religion all over the place. Yeah, our spiritual beliefs are dearly held and we would all strive to be the best we can be, and do whatever we can whatever the ideology is, but sometimes I wonder, since we have a board EXPRESSLY for Faith isuues, where relgious debates/discussions/forums, etc are welcome, why does THIS board have to be turned into RELIGION BOARD PART II, especially if one ideology wants to dominate or ridicule/condemn those who come on here for lively inteligent discussion, debate of issues in Congress and in our lives, and just want their beliefs held separately? CNN is not EWTN or any other Christian network, and there are constant informative, bright, lively, balanced discussions from all over the political spectrum on the credentialed news stations, as well as C-Span, but they are not constantly hiding behind a cross, rosary, bible, star of David, or whatever....can we not strive to do the same and put religious debate on the Faith board?? Just a thought to ponder, MHO, it might work beter, who knows?
is the the starting point or the end point for the middle class?
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I answered your post point-by-point and
all you can come up with is a lame tit-for-tat? Can you provide some sort of substantive response that would argue against the point I am trying to make here? Of course not.
Please show me what part of my post reflects bigotry or ignorance? I have made a few statements based on my own life experience, rather than the hook-line-and-sinker method of forming my world view. Then the impotence of your suicide bomber reference was buried under concrete evidence of informed, researched and factual data that would suggest an oppressed, occupied, half-starved population does not have the upper hand when it comes to defending themselves against Israel's US-bankrolled arsenal of pain, misery, death and destruction. They are just a tad out-gunned, wouldn't you say?
I answered your post point-by-point and
all you can come up with is a lame tit-for-tat? Can you provide some sort of substantive response that would argue against the point I am trying to make here? Of course not.
Please show me what part of my post reflects bigotry or ignorance? I have made a few statements based on my own life experience, rather than the hook-line-and-sinker method of forming a world view. Then the impotence of your suicide bomber reference was buried under concrete evidence of informed, researched and factual data that would suggest an oppressed, occupied, half-starved population does not exactly have the upper hand when it comes to defending themselves against Israel's US-bankrolled arsenal of pain, misery, death and destruction they employ in order to "secure" themselves.
The Palestinians are just a tad out-gunned, wouldn't you say? This might just account for the lop-sided fatalities/injuries ratios between the Israelis and the Palestinians. In closing, it is worth noting that even with the advantage of all those terrorist toys and tools our tax dollars have bestowed upon them, security and peace of mind just seem to be further and further beyond their reach. Wonder why that is?
If your point is that it was 7 years ago, that's not much of a point is it? sm
Not long ago at all in the scope of things. The point is that the same thing could and probably would happen here. 9-11 happened 7 years ago too....I guess that couldn't happen again, huh?
I get your point, but my main point is -
why should the government be allowed to tell people what they can and can't eat? Everyone says the government is too involved in our business anyway, so if they should stay out of one part of our lives, they should stay out of all parts of our lives!
I agree, that goes for both sides. I don't agree with those starting trouble over...sm
on your board either, but then some of you come and take it out on the people who only post here and we have nothing to do with the fights over there.
I enjoy communicating with liberals and occasionally do learn something from conservative posters, so I refuse to let the driveby, no moniker, one-sided finger pointers, self-indulging posters drive me off.
Rush is right. I agree. Somebody's gotta agree.
....in many of his policies in his attempt to completely socialize America.
I hope he fails.
I hope he succeeds, however, in the office of president, and doing the right thing, and moves to the center.
However, it's not looking good. He's left of left so far, isn't he. Showing who he truly is, in his first acts as president.
and your point is??
Your point is?? Bush is the one who waged this immoral illegal wrong war, not all the democrats you have posted quotes on. It is BUSH, the chimp boy, who waged the war and used every kind of excuse possible, flip flopping back and forth over the reasons. Now that we know there are no WMD and we have gotten Saddam, what is the excuse for being there and not setting a time plan to leave?? Of course the reason has always been the murderous foreign policy of the US, to have its bloody hands in every country it possibly can. They are just salivating in DC over the fact that we will have control over the Middle East and OIL. Bush and his group are war criminals, just as bad as Saddam.
the point is
If these brave soldiers did not have to go to Vietnam, a useless, wrong war (it has been PROVEN, DEBATED AND PROVEN AGAIN AND AGAIN, EVEN BY THOSE WHO WERE IN THE MILITARY), their physical and emotional illnesses never would have happened..and there would have been no people turning against them. There were thousands upon thousands of protestors telling Nixon, bring our boys home and a few turning against the soldiers. The war is what scarred and has continued to torture these soldiers..the wrong war of that day just like the wrong war of now, Iraq..And where is the VA to help those of Vietnam? Bush continues to cut the budget for the VA, even though we will have thousands once again home from a useless, immoral, illegal war..I read an article the other day how the soldiers coming home are divorcing quite a bit..another thing these soldiers have to deal with..physical ailments, mental ailments, not adjusting to society, divorce..these were happy job holding family people before Bush got his blood hands on them. Thanks Bush.
You see, that's my whole point...
...the truth of this quote is why it's important. You can't ignore the inherent truth in an observation simply because you don't like the bearer of that message. I believe that if one truly examined history and discarded labels such as socialist, liberal, yes, even conservative (these labels change with time and are not static philosophies) I believe history would show that the the last part of this quote is right on about what it takes to be successful in uniting a country/party against a supposed "foe." Some have said hatred is the biggest uniter of a people that there is.
The point.
While there were quite a few issues in this article that were noteworthy, to me at least, the main point was that the Bush/war supporters are going to have a chance to participate in the war that they love. Since we broke Iraq we have to fix it and we can't afford to and the military can't do it so, in its infinite wisdom, the administration has come up with a "Peace Corps" type scenario where professionals of all vein VOLUNTEER to go to Iraq and work, for free. This is just too good. How many of those on the conservative board do you think will volunteer to go, or their husbands, sons, relatives? And like he said, if you voted for Bush put your money where your magnet is, smack dab in the middle of the Sunni triangle.
We have and have had for a long time alternatives energy resources. You can destroy the Gulf of Mexico, Alaska and wherever else you want but in a few years we will be right back here. The oil supply is finite. Get used to it. Time to switch gears and explore the alternatives. But again, I can't wait to see who signs up for volunteer duty...next stop is Vietnam (Oh, I mean Iran, no I mean Iraq...).
Well, to each his own, which is exactly my point.
I can not discount your points here without discounting mine. I can't explain why people sign up, but my guess would be that some need money, jobs and opportunities and are praying if they do go to Iraq they will make it back in one piece. There are obviously a lot of people who believe in the cause of this war, I'm just not one. And like I say, some have fallen hook-line-and-sinker into the justification for this war, or believe it is important to free the Iraqis and somehow this is going to protect America.
I say again, to each his own. May God be with them all!
That is not the point! sm
The point is, expect the unexpected. Don't get all hyper about guns. I should never have mentioned that here, I am sure. I was making a point where has, yet again, been twisted! Good grief!
There is no point to THAT. SM
Everyone knows that paper is and always has been anti-Bush. I'm sorry, but you guys won't take stuff from NewsMax and FrontPageMag, which are both WAY WAY BIGGER than this little rag. Don't expect me to take this seriously.
It's my point.nm
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And your point is
 It's all Bush's fault, by the way. It's the evil Republican's fault, but especially Bush. It's ALL his fault. It's America's fault, too! IMPEACH AMERICA. You are my hero.
But, at what point...
do you just toss your arms up in the air and give up on teaching people how to use birth control. It's not rocket science. How many decades of teaching do we need? I think we already have a cornucopia of information available everywhere on how to use birth control. It's not like it's a taboo subject. I have to think that the computer saavy youth of today, who can jump through hoops on the internet, if interested, could find out with the click of a button just exactly how to use any given birth control. We can fund education to the hilt, but stupid careless people will always be stupid careless people. It's sad.
You got a point there...nm
I know all I need to. I see no point in this.
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But the point is, we believe what we believe.
In this instance, you feel the war is morally illegal and I don't.
Yes....that was my point.
I think what you said is exactly the point.
With everything going on, and it keeps getting worse and worse, the leader of the free world shows himself to be crude, have no table manners ... the forever frat boy. In itself giving an uninvited neck rub and talking with one's mouth full are certainly not newsworthy but in the context of where he was, what he was participating in ( participation questionable) what is happening to our world, our leader, without his spinners and handlers and speech writers was exposed as the uninformed, disinterested, unegaged person that he is and always has been. He was obviously bored throughout the entire conference, displayed his ignorance of geography (again), displayed his total lack of understanding of the Middle East, a process that has been evolving for 100s of years, way before Israel appeared on the scene. The history of the Middle East appears to bore him. Actually, everything but clearing brush at the ranch seems to bore him. And this guy wants free reign to do anything he likes, no checks, no balances, no congressional approval; its like he thinks this is the old board game War, or little green soldiers he can play with. He is such an embarassment.
to further my point
They are even making Pat Buchanan look like a liberal. I have never agreed with Buchanan until recently. This is an excellent example of what I'm talking about.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/VIDEO__Matthews_Buchanan_Slam_Neocons_0720.html
My point WAS sm
Newspapers dropping her column aren't hurting her. I don't care about the other stuff. I don't even like her.
Exactly the point...sm
There are plenty things that sell in America that are no good for America. I happen to believe Ms. Coulter (not just her books but her persona and work, collectively) is one of them.
And your point is?
I dont understand your post. I never said Merv Griffin did not like Bush or his crew, I said he stated the American people overthrew the government Tuesday. He did not elaborate whether he liked Bush or not.
The point is. sm
Why share something like that on this board? For what purpose?
Well some of that was my point.
I don't think he went to school in Africa ever, don't know for sure but I know he was born in Hawaii, his mother was white, his father from Kenya. His father returned to Kenya and he (the father) may have been the Muslim. His mother remarried and moved out of the country with her new husband and I believe that Obama lived with his white grandparents in the midwest somewhere; something like that. At any rate, I was saying that anyone, not Obama specifically, anyone at all who had a really good working knowledge of Islam, Arabic and all 13 of its dialects and the Muslim lifestyle would be an asset at this point, in my opinion, whoever he or she may be.
The point is. sm
Does it really matter how old the picture is? It is in San Francisco at a rally. If it was 1000 years old, it would still be horrible. And I am not pro this war or any war.
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