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This sharing the wealth...the pub mantra that escapes no one.

Posted By: What about that.....sm on 2008-10-29
In Reply to: That is VERY different from taxing "rich" Alaskans..... - sam

"collective ownership of resources" in Alaska (straight out of the moose's mouth)....that VERY different, too?

BTW, tax cuts, tax credits, progressive tax system is VERY American and not the least bit socialist. Letting tax cuts expire and tax rates return to their previous levels is hardly a radical policy. Rich folks have ALWAYS paid higher tax rates under the progressive tax order. Until that system is replaced, there is nothing unusual at all about the proposal to adjust the rate, or the candidate who is proposing to do it.

Run and hide if you like, but don't expect to pull the wool over anybody's eyes except the choir members whose votes are already in McC's pocket. This hypocrisy will not be escaping the undecided independents whose votes can make or break the pubs bid for the White House.


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Good for you! Then you won't mind sharing your wealth (NM)
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Like I said, principle of the constitution escapes you
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Sorry the parallel escapes you. It doesn't
And the analogy is completely on-point. Methinks thou protestest too much.
What part of just stating fact escapes you?
didn't amount to a hill of beans when it came time for your representatives to roll their sleeves up and hammer out a compromise. My statements are supportive of bipartisan initiatives (as in both parties coming to a middle ground) that move us forward from here. Whether or not I agree with the plan, which side of the fence I live on or what percentage of support for the plan is reflected in the latest polls is immaterial at this point. I keep my eyes on the prize. Those folks needed to do THEIR JOBS, get past their differences, try to come up with solutions and do what is right for the economy...or at least give it their BEST shot. Go stir somebody else's pot.
It may have started with sexual escapes. It ended with Perjury to a grand jury.
So for all the Monica smokescreen, there was a crime committed by a jurist, none the less.  He (Clinton) lost his law license.  But no one even feels it necessary to mention that.
The Ǝ more years' mantra -
... is meant to do just that. Convince people that they don't need to know anything other than 'McCain=Bush.' But that's why you hear so little about the Global Poverty Act. It doesn't help Obama if you know all the details. Especially now, it may turn a lot of people off. We're grappling with our own financial crisis. Now is not the time to insist we shore up the economies of the entire Third World.

I hope everyone takes a deeper look into the actual policies of BOTH men. Not all 'change' is good change. I don't want to have anything to do with moving America toward socialism, where things like 'redistribution of wealth' such as the GPA proposes becomes a political priority.

Country First. If I can't afford to feed my own children, how am I expected to help feed someone else's?
Is shoot the messenger the new mantra here.
You have no idea what my politics are.  Do you know who Richard Cohen is?  He is a very far left liberal columnist and he thought it was over the line.  See, this is why no one, from anywhere, can have a discussion with people on this board.  If someone doesn't agree with you, they are a *neocon* whatever the heck that is.  I find that mindset disturbing.  You are not worth arguing with.  All you can do is label.  Pathetic.
Republican Mantra - Scare Tactics
You better vote for John McCain or the Boogeyman is going to get us. McCain couldn't even keep himself free from the enemy, how is he going to keep the entire United States free from them? Oh, I know, he is going to send Sarah Palin after the Boogeyman...she'll protect us!
Time to find another mantra. McCain has
Time to take that broken record off the turntable and start singing another tune. You guys are looking more and more idiotic each time you drag out these impotent attacks. How long is it going to take you to realize how much harm you are doing TO YOUR OWN CANDIDATE. You have Obama looking more presidential than ever and McCain is coming off as a candidate who cannot even control his own campaign and is out of synch with his own supporters. The very least they need to do in the next 24 days is to try to stay on the same page with their candidate. After all, he has sent a clear signal that his own HUMANITY will not allow him to tolerate the dirt you guys are trying to shovel...especially in view of those lovely death threats that keep showing up at the Palin rallies. Give it up. the tactic is bankrupt.
Change....I'm so sick and tired of that mantra.

Change into what?  I'm sorry, but the only change that we will see with Barrack Obama in office is a bigger government with enough power to take away our liberty.  Yes, people have already lost their jobs and they will continue to lose their jobs especially if Obama raises taxes on businesses.  This promise of change and you all assume that it is a change for the good.  Obama has done nothing but step on people and use radical associations to boost his political career.


And you know what....I hope to God that I am wrong about Barrack Obama because if I'm not.....we, including you, will be singing a different tune about Barrack Obama and it won't be a song about how great he is....that is unless he makes us sing a song about how great he is. 


As for the gun thing....this is a legit concern.  It may not be one of yours, but don't give people crap when they feel that it is.  Every dictator takes away the weapons from the people so they have nothing to use in their defense.  Look throughout history.  How many times has a dictator come into power and the people praised him and thought he was great until he flipped the switch and took total control of everything. 


Executive experience media mantra no answer.
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More media mantra does not a valid point make.
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All I can hope is the Obama campaign picks up this mantra...
because if they do, they are toast and we won't have to do a thing. Do you honestly think there are no parents of pregnant teenagers out there who VOTE? Just keep on spreading this seething judgmental condemnation. Just keep on. It should be copied and pasted onto blogs...what Obama supporters will sink to. What a good idea.
I think I will start now.
thanks for sharing, gt
We can't let the truth get covered up by the conservatives.
Thanks for sharing this.
Good article.  I particularly liked what he said about the nature of terrorism.  It always struck me that this administration seemed to view terrorism as some bad guys that we could kill and then it would be all over and done with!!!  Kind of the cowboy mentality. 
Thanks for sharing.

It is nice to get the perspective of someone who wasn't sure and what you looked at to come to your final decision.  I think this election will be very close because of what you just described.....there are people who are still on the fence and not sure.  I personally feel that neither candidate will be able to pull us out of this financial issue fast.  It will take some time....maybe even years. 


Just sharing

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/13/news/economy/voting_for.moneymag/index.htm?postversion=2008101307


please look at the links below the article


 


Job one: Getting back on track


What you'll pay in taxes


What they'll do to the budget


Your portfolion and your retirement


Paying for your health care


Thanks for sharing, everybody!
I want to thank everyone for sharing these links on this board. I don't have the time to surf the net with my busy life and children, but when I want information, this is the first place I come. I know I can find links and just click on them and get informed. So thank you all for the links!!

Vote McCain! (had to throw that in there)
THANK YOU for sharing this. I have
already emailed it to everyone I know. It should go out to every politician.
thanks for sharing this, Lurker
Kudos to those brave ladies.
Very interesting..thanks for sharing..nm
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This is too funny. Thanks for sharing..nm

Too funny! Thanks for sharing!
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very nice.. thank you for sharing
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Thanks for sharing. All of this has been mentioned
before.  When one actually looks at the facts, it is hard to believe that there are still people who believe in Barry's false hope and empty promises.  So much for that change he keeps preaching about when him and his advisors are a big part of the current problems we have now.
Good one! Thanks for sharing. nm

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That was great! Thanks for sharing! nm
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Beautiful !! .. Thank you for sharing.
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Thanks for sharing that! I sure couldn't have
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Guess not. We're already sharing
the wealth thanks to Bush and his cronies and it won't be any better if McCain is elected.  Probably won't be any better with Obama but I'll take my chance AGAINST McCain.
Good article...thanks for sharing.
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I have no problem with your not sharing my opinion....
...but do so after being informed. Your remarks make it totally obvious that you are not informed. For NOW it is still America and we do still have the right to speech and opinions.
against wealth redistribution

I am fatigued with more and more of my paycheck going to the stockholders of the company I work for.  My benefits are being taken away, my line count has been "adjusted" several times in the last 10 years to make more profit for the stockholders. Meanwhile, the suits are given astronomical salaries and golden parachutes. 


Second issue.  It is very important to remember that the 3 remaining judges on the Supreme Court who are not conservative will be leaving very soon.  The pres who appoints their replacements will be impacting the nation for the next 30 to 40 years or so.  Think about it.   Can you imagine your 15-year-old granddaughter or great-granddaughter being forced to give birth to a horribly deformed baby because she made a  mistake?  Roe v Wade WILL be overturned if McCain is elected.  The court will be totally pro-corporate interests if mcCain is elected.  This is a much getter consequence that is not getting enough consideration amidst all the slogan throwing.


 


 


I don't really think a redistribution of the wealth
is the answer and don't necessarily agree with it either. What I would like to see though are these corporations, and individuals, that don't fairly pay taxes start paying what they are supposed to. They hide their money in off-shore accounts and redistribute it so they don't have to pay so much. I know that this happens, I started out in accounting in college and we had big long discussions about this. But I didn't have to have a class to know that this happens.
What exactly do you think spread the wealth
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I say YES to spreading the wealth

I am happy that FINALLY someone is standing up for the middle class.  I am happy that finally we will be given some tax breaks.  The wealth does NOT trickle down when the tax breaks are given to the upper class/business that fall in that tax bracket.  They do not create more jobs, therefore strengthening the middle class/economy.  What they do is line their pockets and get rich  and then save even more money and get even more tax breaks by sending work overseas and hiring people that will gladly work for way less an hour, therefore driving the value of American jobs down so that the rest of us, who are stuck trying to make it, find a decent paying job, are screwed.  I am voting for Obama and I think he is going to win.


spreading the wealth
no I dont and I dont want to.  But I do know about working my butt off and my husband his.  My husband has lost his job as a finish trim carpenter because of this ecomony.  I also know that since Bush has been in office, our lives have been that much harder.  Prices have gone up on EVERYTHING but our pay has not.  I also know that McCain did nothing but support Bush over the last eight years and only just recently has tried to separate himself from him.  Even McCain has said that he voted 90 percent of the time with Bush.  That is ALL I need to know.  By the way, not everyone who is having a hard time these days are people who refuse to work.  Not everyone that votes for Obama are people that are on welfare.  I have never been on welfare and would never be on welfare.  But unfortunately, the days of just simply working hard and getting ahead are gone.  It is NOT true.  I have been smart with my money, I work hard and I have been responsible with my credit but I cant see where I am getting anywhere. 
"Spread the wealth around"..also known as...
we are penalizing those who have worked hard, make a decent living, pay our bills and don't live above our means so that those who don't or won't do the same can ride our coat tails and not have to be responsible for themselves and feel some sort of entitlement. Some plan, placed squarely on the shoulders of hard working Americans who have done the right thing. Can you say SOCIALIST STATE?
Too bad that redistribution of wealth
won't benefit most of us.....it will benefit the low income people who want to mooch off of the government.  Besides, I still says that the middle class is fair game to Obama.  He will raise our taxes too....you just wait.
Redistribution of wealth...
"Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed. Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the hom eless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application."


Redistribution of Wealth

Redistribution of wealth is happening as I write this, except that it's all going to make greedy rich people richer.  Up to a trillion dollars now (and probably growing in the future), the Wall Street crooks are still earning their bonuses.


Why is it okay to redistribute the wealth to the WEALTHIEST while punishing people who are working hard and HONESTLY, just trying to feed their families?


The middle class has been diminishing in this country for a long time now, and it's almost extinct.  I'll never understand why people support rewarding those who are dishonest.


Redistribution of wealth...another way of saying
reparations, just not as blatant.
Redistribution of YOUR Wealth
Obama and Congress will let the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010. That will cost each of us MTs about $1,200 or so a year. He is proposing 3 new separte payroll taxes (new separate deductions) including his own bill now in Congress to "fight WORLD hunger." Sounds nice, but I would rather fight hunger at my house. If you think you are going to get a bunch of free stuff in return for all these new taxes, think again - that stuff will all evaporate after the election but the tax increases will remain, just like with Clinton. I heard last night that 57% of Americans think Republicans now control Congress - and these morons vote - scary.
Yes, need to spread that wealth around. LOL nm

So restribution of wealth

isn't taken away someone's rights even though it penalizes hardworkers by taking their money and giving it to people who don't?  I do believe that is taking away someone rights....the rights to keep the hard earned money that they earned and make their life better because that is what they worked for and we voted for that when we voted in Obama.


They still have the right to be together as a couple.  No one is telling them that they can't go out in public and declare they are a couple, etc.  However, to allow their union and call it marriage is something that many people cannot agree with and they have that right to their opinion and their vote has made that decision.  Marriage is between a man and a woman.  If homosexuals want to be legally bound to each other......call it something else but keep the definition of marriage as a man and woman.


He is already promising redistribution of wealth and he ...
doesn't even have the job yet. That is not a lie. He has campaign commercials about it and he is Barack Obama and he approved that message. Have you read anything about his voting history and the people he has associated with most of his adult life? Of course he is socialist. Way left socialist.

I never said Democrats were socialists. I did say Hillary Clinton was one, and Obama is to the left of her on that particular issue.

You think calling someone a socialist is name calling?
talking about "redistributing the wealth" --
do you not think that is already being done? How about the earned income credit? Why should some people get back $5000-7000 on their taxes, never pay anything in, and all because their income is lower? That is definitely redistributing my wealth!
our government already redistributes the wealth...
I don't know why this is now an issue when it has not been being one - nobody cares about the redistribution of our wealth when tax time rolls around and all these people get thousands and thousands of dollars back from the IRS that they did not pay in, will never pay in, did not earn! Where do you think that money comes from - from us of course.

For example, I have a relative who makes $13.00 an hour but she never pays in a single penny of tax during the year and she gets a rebate of at least $5000 every year because of earned income. That effectively means, she makes $27040 tax free. That $5000 does not go toward income requirements for anything - she still qualifies for any government programs without including that extra $5000 as income.

Wake up people - our wealth has been being redistributed for years!
About all that redistribution of wealth silliness
That would be $1200 to nearly every Alaskan in addition to their already existing $2000 annual rebate. In a nutshell, Palin levied a windfall profit tax against oil companies, then will pay a portion of the revenues out as bonus checks to residents.

One might even suggest that, since Alaska has no state income tax, this was a almost straight redistribution of wealth using higher taxes on the oil companies to redistribute wealth to individuals. It's almost...socialist. Go Gov. Palin!!!
Correct. The *redistribution of wealth* is just that...

those who have gotten their piece of the American Dream are forced to give to those who can't/don't/won't achieve their own American Dream. We are on the way sheeple, wake up and do research, don't take leftist talking points as truth.


I think not. both related to redistribution of wealth...nm