Unbelievable - Individual cities are now asking for money from the bailout -
Posted By: Amanda on 2008-11-15
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What do ya'll think about this? I cannot believe it. The bailout was bad enough when it was to keep the banks from failing which was going to ruin us all, but now these individual cities are asking for money for things such as mass transit improvements, expansion of clean technology businesses, to fund long-neglected infrastructure, more police, upgrades to airport terminals and runways, upgrades to wastewater treatment plants, etc.
Where is it going to end? What happened to all the taxes people have been paying in for years anyway? Why was it not being used for those things all along? And why should I in Georgia have to pay to give people in other states money to fix things? Alaskans are not giving me part of that money they get every year from their oil... Maybe that is selfish - but if they continue to take and take from me, then what I am supposed to do? 
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Just thinking about this bailout money.
can demand for my money back from the bailout and get it back? Would anybody listen to me? Probably not. What about hiring a lawyer? After all, the money we gave to the government was to bail out foreclosure homes and bad assets. Millions of people called in to their legislators to state NO TO THE BAILOUT. When it was time to vote on the bailout, it was first a NO. Then it was voted again and it was approved and then went down to the chain and they voted and it was approved AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED! NONE OF THE MONEY WENT TO THE FORECLOSED HOMES AND BAD ASSETS, but to the banks and to their CEO's bonuses, jets, vacation/trips,etc. Also went to the 2 car companies?
The car companies said about 2 million would lose their jobs and hurt the economy. Well, I thought we had about 81,000 lose their jobs in 3 DAYS this week! By the way, if you watch Super Bowl this Sunday, the stadium holds around 75,000 people. Look at all those people sitting in that stadium which is about how many have lost their jobs in 3 days.
Now we are at 4.8 million collecting unemployment which probably does not count for the 81,000 who lost their jobs Mon, Tues, and Wed. Also does not count for the ones who have lost their jobs today. So what if the car companies went down. Do they still have their jets and bonuses coming? By the way, Ford is not asking again for this next bailout. I will only buy American made products and I own Ford vehicles. I know in the stimulus it states something about GMC/Chrysler to give us a discount of around 7,500 to buy a new car. Well, I DO NOT HAVE 25,000-40,000 to buy a new car. Sticking to 3-5 year old Ford vehicles.
Well, dang it! I WANT MY MONEY BACK AND "NO MORE" BEING SENT TO THE GOVERNMENT. Frankly, THEY SUCK AT THEIR JOBS! Nothing but money hungry, greed, irresponsible, ego trip jerks. I already called my legislators again and told them I do not approve this stimulus. It needs more time to be approved. I understood in the stimulus that there is nothing that states about buying foreclosed homes. Suzie Orman states we have to buy the bad assets like the first bailout was supposed to do or our homes we are in are going to be worth nothing and need to focus on new jobs or there are going to be more foreclosures. Some areas like Toledo, Ohio and areas of Michigan are not in a recession, but a depression and soon it will hit us too. Shoot, we could all be out on the streets.
So, I WANT MY MONEY BACK TO FEED MY FAMILY! NO MORE HANDOUTS TO THE GOVERNMENT. Any suggestions? Sorry, just venting.
Only bankers take bailout money which
Only bankers who have to take bailout money should not have money go toward bonuses (at least for the year or two if economy is bad), no raises, no high end vacations for all executives, take a decrease in pay, etc.
We all as families have to budget and I have had to take a decrease in pay of up to 30% and my husband's is 7% this year with no bonus. Am I complaining, No! Why? Because we are thankful we have a job right now.
Bankers should do the same. They can sell their jet, get rid of their luxury cars (should be thankful they have a car at all), boats, high end vacations, etc. They can still take a vacation, like a ski trip or camping, hiking, etc. Should not have to go a hotel off some island somewhere and spend millions for the vacation with MY MONEY AND YOUR MONEY. If bankers cannot understand it is other people's money? Then they have no right to hold a money position job.
Better yet, fire the high end positions making the most money and hire the one who is unemployed and looking for a job to put food on the table who would be willing to work and do a good job. Other companies have let go many workers who were paid the most or who were shy of just 1 year from getting retirement, Motorola to name a few.
you'll believe what? the bailout money has already
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Top bailout recipients spending money
on federal lobbying. This makes me furious at both the companies and the government. ARGH!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/22/bailed-firms-money-lobbying/
Top 10 cities
What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?
Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list)
hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961;
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954;
Cincinnati, OH (3rd)...since 1984;
Cleveland, OH (4th)...since 1989;
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;
St. Louis, MO (6th)....since 1949;
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;
Milwaukee, WI (8th)...since 1908;
Philadelphia, PA (9th)...since 1952;
Newark, NJ (10th)...since 1907.
Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'
It is the disadvantaged who habitually elect Democrats ---yet are still disadvantaged.
the cities are lining up
The cities are next in line saying they want a bailout to keep city employees on the payroll and off the unemployment rolls. Sounds like blackmail (again) to me and not a loan this time either, but straight up pay up.
That is good but too many liberal cities go out of
Seems to me if they think God doesn't exist or they feel so bold as to not want to believe in anything themselves, why should they care if God is taught or spoke of in school prayer or the pledge. All this time tells me is they are afraid of what they don't know and are too proud to admit it.
Many who don't know Christ go out of their way to spew hatred and want others to feel that way as well.
Tent cities=Great Depression
Go to timesonline.co.uk and search for California tent cities. The homeless shelters there are OVERWHELMED and turn away as much as 200 people A NIGHT!!!! There are over 300 people living in one tent city ALONE! And these are not bums or derelicts, these are low to middle class income people who had been living paycheck to paycheck as most americans do, and lost their jobs and cannot find work.
Gee, and when was the last time this country saw tent cities like this? The Great Depression.
The unemployment rate in California is over 10% and has risen to 15% in some of the hardest hit states in the country. To say that this has been fabricated and that there is no crisis is just more of the republican elitist socially darwinistic pile of horse @!$%# that has been pervading the GOP.
It's time for all of you hard right conservatives to pull your head out of the sand and take a really good look at what YOUR republican president did to this country in the course of 8 years. Obama inherited one of the biggest messes in this country's history, and you are pssed off that he hasn't "fixed" it yet?!! Are you kidding!? He's been in office for not even two months. It took the Great Depression over a decade to be resolved, and your screaming over 2 MONTHS!!!!!!????
There are a lot of people hurting. And guess what, the CEO @!$%#s that helped cause the mess are laughing all the way to their bank accounts in Grand Cayman and couldn't give a @!$%# about the rest of the country. And who helped them get their egregious bonuses and compensation? Hmmmm, couldn't be the republicans that were in power for HOW LONG!!?? I'll tell you: from 1994-2006. Hmmmm, just long enough to deregulate the banks and lower the taxes on the wealthy enough to create the largest income gap in this country since the Industrial revolution.
The republicans f'd up big time. That is why they lost control. And they are continuing on that same wretched path with NO IDEAS on how to fix the mess they are mostly responsible for creating. Except tax cuts for the wealthy. The GOP mantra. It's BS and you all need to stop buying into the rhetoric.
I am hoping with all my heart that Obama is a successful president and is doing what needs to be done to rectify this nation. Yes, he may fail. That is a risk you take with ANY president. But if any of you have even half a functioning brain you would wish for success as well. His failure will mean the failure of our country. And I don't know about you, but I certainly hope I never see that day.
I had heard about the tent cities, but never even thought about the increase in arsons. nm
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Then let each individual
deal with the personal consequences, if there are any. Don't mandate what they can and cannot do.
we. we, we....is there an individual among you?
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an individual wrote this and -
every individual has a right to his/her own opinion, but that does not mean that the countries are saying we were duped. The people in other countries are just like the people in America - you either love him or you hate him - there is no in between for Obama.
I personally think that we have him now as POTUS and we should stand behind the man and show respect for the office he is holding and give him a chance to do something before we continue to tear him down.
I hear people say Obama has already broken this promise or that promise, but how can he break promises he made when he is not even the president yet? Give him a chance - if he messes up, then talk about it and be upset -- and even though I voted for him, I will be upset right along with you.
How lost an individual you are....
I am not a republican and it doesn't take much for one to now see that this president has NO loyalty to this country. NOTHING AT ALL!! He has an agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with this country but control!! You need to wake up!
Treason? 'a more serious acts of disloyalty to one's sovereign or nation'...
How very sad for you that you don't even realize that in a "free country" one is allowed to speak out against their president. THAT IS NOT TREASON!!! that is what sickos in Iran call treason.... do you akin yourself with the likes of those sick tyrannical leaders?
That is exactly what Obama is doing. Speaking out against our president is our constitutional right...to keep things in check and NOT allow government too much power or control into our lives.
So sorry for you. You are truly the very kind Obama longs for.... he needs to take care of you don't ya know? You are obviously too ignorant to do it for yourself!
Individual independent investigation
I agree it is important to look at raw facts and draw conclusions for yourself. So much of what we see and hear out of the mainstream media is slanted to one side or the other. I believe it is very important for one to get info from independent sources in order to draw enlightened conclusions. I think it's naive at best to trust solely the mainstream media and even partisan sources exclusively for your news. Things can be spun so many different ways. This is one area where we agree.
I hardly consider myself some upper class individual trying
to keep "lower class" in check. You assume incorrectly. We can't make everyone happy but we try our best.
On individual incomes exceeding $250,000.
To restore funding for longstanding program commitments slashed, diverted and/or discontinued to fund the war. He cannot create "MORE" programs without majority support from Congress. Should he be able to garner such support, then we would call that representative democratic process, not socialist/Marxist black liberationist theology.
i don't care what the individual income is
how is it anyone else's right to tell me that i have to give ANY portion of my income to help those less fortunate? I don't care if the income is $200,000 or $20,000!
I was not referring to an individual as being self-righteous,
I was referring to the collective you that applies to anyone that maybe needs to see a different perspective.
Individual liberty? Why allow the Government
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I was asking what individual people who identify themselves as liberals....
what that meant to them. I can look up liberal in a dictionary...that is not what I meant. There are those on this board who are Democrats, who call themselves liberal Democrats...who obviously do not agree with you, as you state there are no "true" liberals in the Democratic party. This is very interesting. You have my attention again....what in your estimation makes a "true conservative?" Do tell.
Why assume that flag-flying was this individual's
There's nothing in the story to support your assumption that flying the flag represents this individual's complete understanding of the notion of patriotism.
On the other hand, flying the flag IS certainly ONE expression of patriotism - a form of protected speech, in fact - and the ONLY question here is not whether this individual has a simplistic view of patriotism, but whether displaying the flag should have been prohibited.
We'll just call this your quota of "straw man" logical fallacies for the week, shall we? You may not post another one until next week.
1 more time. INDIVIDUAL income means 1 person.
not a family. It means the income that one single person makes. This means that a husband and wife making less than $500,000 yearly combined incomes will receive tax cuts. I am posting separate information under a second post to dispel any confusion that is being generated on this issue. Small businesses have a different plan does not involve tax increases of any sort of description.
Printing money we dont have? Borrowing money
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Unbelievable. SM
So does being a progressive mean that you give America credit for nothing? Are you a Marxist? 40 million Jews included those detained in death camps who survived and those forced to leave the country or otherwise affected by Hitler's extermination process. But you would have to know history to know that.
Unbelievable!
With some help again from Diebold, she seems to have the moral fiber and economic policies required to become the next neocon President!
here's another one.....unbelievable!!...sm
this one is more recent, 2 days ago...other one was 3 days ago...
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=71759&videoChannel=1
Unbelievable. LOL.....
Any thread is a conversation and anyone can respond. You are the one who got all bent with the "was I talking to you?" comment.
Speaking of intolerance...LOL.
If it is so boring, why do you respond? Probably because nobody but me will even engage you, in the "real world" or in this virtual one. How sad....LOL
You are unbelievable. I'm done with you.
You can't carry on a civilized conversation or bring any important information into debates. You are nothing but a troll.
UNBELIEVABLE!!
Democrats put an earmark in the bailout bill for ACORN....
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URLs or links only, please...no copy/paste of copyrighted materials.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809140383
unbelievable
use your head. blood and guts wouldn't be on wall street. it would be in our backyards. Did you ever hear of 1929? Know how many people lost everything? It wasn't the wall street guys, it was the people who worked and saved. they stood in bread lines. they used newspaper for the soles of their shoes. Know how many people commit suicide? This would be the same thing all over again. Geez, think it through before you wish for something to reckless.
Unbelievable.....
http://84rules.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/crony-capitalism-is-root-cause-of-fannie-and-freddie-troubles-democrats-at-the-center-of-it-all/
With this out there, plus video of Frank opposing reform, Pelosi gets up and thanks Frank and Emanuel for their intellect in dealing with this situation. If it weren't so pathetic it would be funny.
Now saying Repubs did not vote for it because their feelings were hurt and they were "punishing the country." And said...are you ready for this: "We have the votes to pass it but it would not be right if it was a Democratic majority. That would not be good for the country." HUH? lol. Translated: If it goes south we don't want to be the only ones to blame. Yeah, that is really putting country first.
I am so disgusted, not with all democrats, but certainly all the ones on the hill. I wouldn't vote for a Democrat for congress this time around, period.
Unbelievable is all I can say, nm
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Unbelievable
The posters below have so much hatred towards Palin they'll excuse an abusive cop!
Oh and I'm sure your all okay with the voter fraud being commited by the democrats too!
Unbelievable!
It's absurd drivel like this that will lead to something catastrophic happening to President Obama, who happens to be a CHRISTIAN! 
Unbelievable!
First you guys say he shouldn't do anything because he's not in charge yet. Then, when he does do something you do nothing but post articles and sayings from Fox news and right-wing conservatives. (In case you haven't noticed they are turning on each other right now and really have no room to talk about anyone else.)
The 2 posts below in particular that caught my attention were the "drill, drill, drill" post and the reference to adding onto the deficit.
1. Drill, drill, drill. If you want jobs NOW, as you posted, you might want to look somewhere else. Just how long do you think it takes to get an oil rig flowing? LOL.
2. Deficit. Would that be the same deficit that your beloved Bush gave us as a parting gift?
And then there's the not so insightful article that was posted basically saying this would be the Clinton administration again. You may want to wait on the criticism until you hear what he does instead of using speculation. And oh yeah, would that be the same Clinton administration that left us with a surplus before Bush got in there?
Unbelievable.......
please take the time to read the post from "no one is coming" above and you might understand before you go into a tizzy.
What IS unbelievable
These same people heralding this as a wonderful thing are the same people if, they were forced to participate in a religious ceremony (or "religious voodoo") with which they strongly disagree, would be the first to scream how their rights are being violated!
What hypocrites!
Unbelievable is all I can say, keep twisting
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Unbelievable is all I can say, Everyone so quick to...sm
believe and condem. Does not anyone know that what you read on the internet is not gospel? I have not heard a thing on the national news, so I will wait and see.
Unbelivable. Truly unbelievable.
You have a strong opinion on Michael Moore but no opinion at all on Phelps and WBC. Oh wait, you think he has a bishop at all and that his congregation will object to his teachings?
Oh wait, I understand now. You responded to the OP regarding your dislike for MM, but you know nothing about WBC or Phelps. You think that this is a hatchet job by Moore on a church and is, as such, untruthful.
Unbelievable! Drug dealers (sm)
There was a drug bust in my area overnight. One form of heroin being sold was stamped "Obama 09" !
Good heavens! Now they're even rooting for him. I have never heard of anything like this before.
Unbelievable, ignorance abounds. nm
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Unbelievable that there are no responses to this post.. All I can say is...sm
this is so true. In my opinion, people voting for the republican ticket are either right wing religious voters, rich voters, poor under-educated voters who are easily led, bigots who would never vote for a black man, or people who for whatever reason buy into the terrorist, Muslim, anti-American, anti-Christ, foreigner, not like us scare tactics that abound.
I find it unbelievable that they keep bringing this up.
It only makes things worse, not better. The anger it causes with "outsiders" coming to that small town does not do any good. Let the people of that town alone. They're doing okay without outsiders stirring up trouble.
I'm not just talking about that town. It happens all over the USA. These groups get together and go to a town just to stir up trouble. I've seen it happen again and again. They have no right sticking their noses in where it doesn't belong. Let them protest in their own towns.
The KKK does this all the time, too. They don't get the press, though, and they shouldn't be sticking their noses in where it doesn't belong, either.
OMG, unbelievable. People near retirement age..sm
expected to get a higher education to keep a job. No way. How could a person even afford it, and once you graduated, you'd be too old and couldn't find a job. He addressed this in an awful way IMHO.
I agree completely. Unbelievable.
This person either didn't even watch the clip and is completely unaware of Phelps and his "activities" or simply silently condones the heinous things he does. I particularly despise Phelps' uninvited attendance at the funerals of American soldiers and his "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" motto.
I would be this person posted himself/herself blue to blast Rev. Wright, but this Phelps moron is okay.
Unfortunately, it says a lot about some people who post on this board. 
It takes money to make money. nm
Unbelievable! I posted an article disputing everything you said.
Now who am I going to believe?
A newspaper (that you admittedly don't LIKE) or YOU, who obviously knows more than I would ever want to know about skinheads? You (and your party of lies and deceit) don't have an ounce of credibility, and I'd believe the NYT any day over the ignorant, bigoted, hateful likes of YOU!
In case you haven't noticed, there is a huge controversy over rape and murder of civilian Iraqis. It certainly makes sense that a neo-nazi skinhead group would carry out these kind of brutal acts with no conscience and without thinking twice.
Your beloved skinheads are making the rest of our very FINE military look bad, yet you defend these filthy subhumanoids.
I'm not surprised that you're angry because apparently what was supposed to be a big secret is now being publicized. I'm also not surprised that you're defending them. I fully expected some from the other board to reveal their true selves when I posted the article.
You're repulsive. Go crawl back under the rock you slithered out of. You're leaving a disgusting slime trail. YUCK!
This will be my last post to you. I don't deal with hateful bigots.
I emailed the moderator and why are you being so cruel? unbelievable
Ever think you might hurt a person's feelings? Or you simply do not care?
Bailout
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of our money, frist by inflation and then by deflation; the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks) will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered"
-President Thomas Jefferson
here's your bailout
I think that all the CEOs of the big three along with all their members of the board and whatnot, all the big wigs, that have made millions screwing people over for years and years should dip into their OWN pockets and sell a few houses, cancel a few vacations, cash in a few money markets and get their own companies out of debt. Then, when the books are balanced, the people who have been making 80,000 a year to push a button should take a pay cut and NOT go on strike and live like the rest of real America. Then they should be fine.
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